Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
On Mar 4, 9:19 pm, rtows...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/4/09 8:31:11 PM, wmhatch...@gmail.com writes: I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The thing that you are not paying attention to is the fact that a Beige G3 normally takes quite a while to boot up. That machine is nowhere as quick on start up as the later machines of the G3 series, even if it has the 300MHz processor. All of the BW G3s booted faster than the Beige G3s and then Apple made the even faster G4s. Just do as I do when I boot up a Beige G3, go into the kitchen and get a cold soda from the refrigerator, pop some popcorn, check the mailbox, and then go back to my computer desk. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:02 AM, ron wrote: I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The thing that you are not paying attention to is the fact that a Beige G3 normally takes quite a while to boot up. One reason why I went to SCSI for boot and work drives on my last Beige G3 (I have had several) was poor disk performance. I had a Rev. 3C 300 MHz Beige MT, and this was all all tarted-out with a 533 MHz processor upgrade from OWC and a high-end SCSI controller from ATTO. Boot drive was a 36 GB UW-SCSI. Data drives were large to very large ATA drives (160 and 300 GB) which had been converted to UW-SCSI using ACARD's SCSIDE adapter cards. The Rev. C ROM was replaced by a Rev. A as I did not need extra ATA channels. (The Rev. C ROM was reused in a Beige DT). Two ATA optical drives were installed, one being a DVD burner, the other being a CD burner. That's a brute-force way of getting decent performance out of a Beige MT. BW G3 and even Gig-E G4s are so cheap these days, it would make no sense to duplicate that Beige G3 configuration, but it made sense at the time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
ron wrote: On Mar 4, 9:19 pm, rtows...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/4/09 8:31:11 PM, wmhatch...@gmail.com writes: I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The thing that you are not paying attention to is the fact that a Beige G3 normally takes quite a while to boot up. That machine is nowhere as quick on start up as the later machines of the G3 series, even if it has the 300MHz processor. All of the BW G3s booted faster than the Beige G3s and then Apple made the even faster G4s. Just do as I do when I boot up a Beige G3, go into the kitchen and get a cold soda from the refrigerator, pop some popcorn, check the mailbox, and then go back to my computer desk. Absolutely correct! Give that man a cigar!! My daughter texts her friends while waiting for my old Beige MT to boot. NBD Dan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, one is ~20 Gb while the other is ~30 Gb. On one is MacOS 9.2 while on the other is MacOS 8.6. The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The system is maxed out insofar as installed RAM is concerned and both HDs have been thoroughly diagnosed and optimized using Disk Warrior and other disk utilities. Each drive is connected separately to one of the two IDE plugs on the motherboard. One shares this with the CD-ROM drive while the other doesn't share via its IDE cable. Is this the correct configuration for two IDE drives? Just wondering what is causing such intolerably slow (up to 1 minute or more) boot ups when the start up disk has been specifically selected under control panels. The slow start up happens no matter whether it is the OS 8.6 or the 9.2 system disk which is selected. I do have a Rev. B card in the machine if that's an issue which I don't think it should be. Thanks for all help! Will I Am --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Will_i_am wrote: Each drive is connected separately to one of the two IDE plugs on the motherboard. One shares this with the CD-ROM drive while the other doesn't share via its IDE cable. Is this the correct configuration for two IDE drives? Just wondering what is causing such intolerably slow (up to 1 minute or more) boot ups when the start up disk has been specifically selected under control panels. One doesn't normally place hard drives on the optical bus, although the two Beige G3 buses are identical. I used to manufacture a special dual drive HD bus cables (Apple never did). The lengths are rather special in order to avoid interference between the two drives. The dual drive HD bus cable for the DT is quite different, and seemingly violates the length restrictions for IDE buses. My cables were designed for and were tested at 33 MB/sec, although these are only operated at 16.67 MB/sec in a Beige G3. On my production machines, I never encountered any slow-down problems as long as HDs were restricted to the HD bus and opticals and Zips were restricted to the optical/Zip bus. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
In a message dated 3/4/09 8:31:11 PM, wmhatch...@gmail.com writes: I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, one is ~20 Gb while the other is ~30 Gb. On one is MacOS 9.2 while on the other is MacOS 8.6. The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The system is maxed out insofar as installed RAM is concerned.. snip May be caused by the startup ram check max ram (768 meg). There is a keyboard command that is pressed before opening the control panels that will turn off the startup mem check. Boot up, press hold option+command (Apple), go to Apple menu, control panels = memory. When the mem ctrl pnl opens it will now show an option/checkbox for turning off the memory startup check. Reboot see if it isn't faster on startup. To turn it on again repeat the same steps (cmd+opt) before selecting control panels. ** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesamp;ncid=emlcntusyelp0005) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
