Help! HD Issues
OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? What do you mean it REFUSES to boot (little pickets walking around the computer :) )? You cloned it using what? Try booting with the option key held down and select the new drive. Realize that if your old HD is dying the data on it may well be corrupt and therefore your copy will also be corrupt if so. You are better off making a clean install to the new drive, installing the apps then copying your user folders over. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
Hi! In addition to the advice from Clark you could update the cloned installation with the original installation CD/DVD to make it work again. If the data really is corrupted then installed Applications may be broken too, but again you could reinstall them. Your user data may be partly working, partly corrupted. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Help! HD Issues Date:Freitag, 28. August 2009N From:Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? What do you mean it REFUSES to boot (little pickets walking around the computer :) )? You cloned it using what? Try booting with the option key held down and select the new drive. Realize that if your old HD is dying the data on it may well be corrupt and therefore your copy will also be corrupt if so. You are better off making a clean install to the new drive, installing the apps then copying your user folders over. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? Maybe the Master / Slave settings are causing the control issues? I would try setting your new drive to Master, and removing the old one completely. Then let the system find the drive on its own on its main ATA bus. Later, choose the drive in System Preferences Startup Disk for the next Restart. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
At 6:55 AM -0500 8/28/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? Sounds like the old drive was master and new drive isn't, the new drive needs the master present on the ide bus? If that's not the case then Zap the pram then reselect the new boot volume. And I think when booting if you hold down opt-cmd-shift-DELETE, you will cause OF to skip the default volume and seek for another. And holding down the option key, (I think that's right), will tell OF to let you select. And you could always just disconnect the failing drive, so OF doesn't find it... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? Meant to also say ... As long as you CCC cloned it correctly, it should be bootable. Did it appear in CCC as This volume will be bootable? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? Set the new HD to be Master, I'll bet you have it set to Slave. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? Could this be a Master/slave/cable select HD jumper issue? When you try just the new disk, is it set to master and attached to the end connector of the cable? Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
At 9:44 AM -0700 8/28/2009, Clark Martin wrote: What do you mean it REFUSES to boot (little pickets walking around the computer :) )? sigh. I really should keep some paper towels in here. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? Maybe the Master / Slave settings are causing the control issues? I copied the Master setting off the old HD and the Slave one off the other HD (it is listed) I would try setting your new drive to Master, and removing the old one completely. Then let the system find the drive on its own on its main ATA bus. Tried this. No luck. The computer simply would not find the new HD. Later, choose the drive in System Preferences Startup Disk for the next Restart. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! HD Issues
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Clark Martincm...@sonic.net wrote: Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, the HD that came in this G4 is dying I cloned the HD to another HD I own I then tried to swap out the HDs after telling (in System Prefs) he machine to boot from the new HD However, it REFUSES to boot unless the old failing HD is present. How do I force he machine to let me take out the bad HD? What do you mean it REFUSES to boot (little pickets walking around the computer :) )? You cloned it using what? Carbon Copy Cloner Try booting with the option key held down and select the new drive. OK, will try that Realize that if your old HD is dying the data on it may well be corrupt and therefore your copy will also be corrupt if so. You are better off making a clean install to the new drive, installing the apps then copying your user folders over. The OS X 10.4 CDs did NOT come with this machine. I got the machine off of the LEM Swap List. Disk Utility says it has a Fatal Hardware Error -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
