Re: I have an idea...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Core Image requires a specific class of video card, it ALSO  
requires an Intel processor.


My G5 isn't Intel and it supports Core Image on it's ATI RV351 card.  
For that matter, you can actually get Core Image support on a B&W or  
Yikes under a PCI video card via certain slightly modified FX5200,  
but this is extremely slow.




Yes, it supports LEOPARD'S version of CI. It does NOT support Snow  
Leopard's version.


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Re: I have an idea...

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Core Image requires a specific class of video card, it ALSO requires  
an Intel processor.


My G5 isn't Intel and it supports Core Image on it's ATI RV351 card.  
For that matter, you can actually get Core Image support on a B&W or  
Yikes under a PCI video card via certain slightly modified FX5200, but  
this is extremely slow.


If anyone is interested in PCI Core Image support, see this:



You'll likely need the WayBack Machine at Internet Archive to access  
any links in this article.


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Re: I have an idea...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 11:21 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


ere's a good question. When i run into a program (let's say it was
Front Row)... I know how to install the code, but I can't see the
PowerPC code or the intel code. When i open it in textedit or any
other program, i get just a full page of codes.


Opening a binary program in a text editor is useless, regardless of  
the architecture.


IN answer to your question, Leopard ships as 'fat binaries' meaning  
they have both PPC and Intel binaries stuck together in the same file.  
You can strip architectures from a fat binary using the ditto command:




But fundamentally you're not going to get where you want to go without  
the source code for OS X and that is not let out (The source code for  
Darwin is completely different, but Darwin lives in /private, not / 
System, which is where all the Snow Leopard code lives.).




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Re: I have an idea...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


The only way i know of RIGHT NOW that Snow Leopard's core image will
work is by getting a newer video card. The core image does not depend
on the processor arcetechture, it depends on if the video card can
support it. an Nvidia GeForce 6800GT should work with 256MB of VRAM.


No, there are no universal binaries in Snow Leopard, while you're  
correct Core Image requires a specific class of video card, it ALSO  
requires an Intel processor.





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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Btw i did try the Q emulator, and it's ok. The installation took 19 Hours
for SL, but startup takes 20 seconds. Heh, i guess it's only slow when it's
installing something. My PM G4 Sawtooth isn't that amazing to many of you as
you all well know that the AGP version is 11 years old, but somehow my
system is holding up under Leopard better than i thought it did. Here are
the specs:
400Mhz PowerPC G4
2GB SDRAM PC100
80GB HDD (x2 40GB HDD's)
320GB Network drive
ATI Radeon 9000 64MB VRAM (i pulled it from a 2002 quicksilver)
Mac OS X 10.5.8 (10.6.2 in the about this mac window since i hacked it)

I don't know why, but it's just simply fast. No special dual core processors
or anything... it's just fast. I have verizon Fios hooked up to it via
Airport on it though. The youtube videos are fast, i can run front row
without performance issues and  all that other stuff. I always Max out the
RAM when it comes to all of my Macs. For my Sawtooth (i'm using it now), the
max is 2GB, i'll get it 2GB. For my Intel iMac, it can handle 8GB, i got it
8GB. For my clamshell iBook, It can get 544MB of RAM, i got it 544MB of RAM.
Computers that you think are slow really aren't that slow when you give them
a chance to shine with Maximum specs.
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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Ok then. I will look for a decompiler, and DELETE the intel code, and as for
the SL programs, i will copy Leopard's version of the PPC code.


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Re: I have an idea...

[Dennis Myhand]

Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Here's a good question. When i run into a program (let's say it was
Front Row)... I know how to install the code, but I can't see the
PowerPC code or the intel code. When i open it in textedit or any
other program, i get just a full page of codes. I am afraid of
modifying anything because i might prevent the program from worrking
ever again. I know what i'm doing, but is half the page intel and PPC
code? or is it PPC then intel and then PPC and intel?


I am not trying to be ugly in saying this, but if you really did know 
what you were doing, you would see which part of the code was PPC and 
which part x86. And, unless yo are working with a source code file, the 
only thing you will see by opening a program in textedit is object code 
which is produced by the compiler.  In order to see what the programmer 
wrote, you first need to decompile the program, and then look through 
what is produced by the decompiler in order to see what has been done. 
And yes, if you modify any of this, you will keep the program from ever 
working again.  Peace, Dennis


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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

The only way i know of RIGHT NOW that Snow Leopard's core image will
work is by getting a newer video card. The core image does not depend
on the processor arcetechture, it depends on if the video card can
support it. an Nvidia GeForce 6800GT should work with 256MB of VRAM.

On 4/21/10, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:
> Here's a good question. When i run into a program (let's say it was
> Front Row)... I know how to install the code, but I can't see the
> PowerPC code or the intel code. When i open it in textedit or any
> other program, i get just a full page of codes. I am afraid of
> modifying anything because i might prevent the program from worrking
> ever again. I know what i'm doing, but is half the page intel and PPC
> code? or is it PPC then intel and then PPC and intel... I might find a
> pattern, but it may take a while. I have seen intel codes from windows
> computers before, so i should see a difference between the PPC code
> and the intel one. It may take a while though.
>
> Other than that, the only way i can have Snow Leopard (supposedly) on
> any PPc mac is by modifying the system profiler info on leopard and
> the about this mac window file in the leopard, and change it to the SL
> wallpaper, so basically it's leopard with a different wallpaper and
> wrong system info. lol
>
> On 4/20/10, Baha Ata  wrote:
>> hmmm... thanks for that i will try on my 9600
>>
>> 2010/4/21 Doug McNutt :
>>> At 04:49 +0300 4/21/10, Baha Ata wrote:
And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9...
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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Here's a good question. When i run into a program (let's say it was
Front Row)... I know how to install the code, but I can't see the
PowerPC code or the intel code. When i open it in textedit or any
other program, i get just a full page of codes. I am afraid of
modifying anything because i might prevent the program from worrking
ever again. I know what i'm doing, but is half the page intel and PPC
code? or is it PPC then intel and then PPC and intel... I might find a
pattern, but it may take a while. I have seen intel codes from windows
computers before, so i should see a difference between the PPC code
and the intel one. It may take a while though.

Other than that, the only way i can have Snow Leopard (supposedly) on
any PPc mac is by modifying the system profiler info on leopard and
the about this mac window file in the leopard, and change it to the SL
wallpaper, so basically it's leopard with a different wallpaper and
wrong system info. lol

On 4/20/10, Baha Ata  wrote:
> hmmm... thanks for that i will try on my 9600
>
> 2010/4/21 Doug McNutt :
>> At 04:49 +0300 4/21/10, Baha Ata wrote:
>>>And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9...
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Re: I have an idea...

[Baha Ata]

hmmm... thanks for that i will try on my 9600

2010/4/21 Doug McNutt :
> At 04:49 +0300 4/21/10, Baha Ata wrote:
>>And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9...
>
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Re: I have an idea...

[Dan]

At 4:49 AM +0300 4/21/2010, Baha Ata wrote:


Or if you can, why not add support USB 2 to Mac OS 9...


A USB2 driver for OS 9 would be great to have!

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Re: I have an idea...

[Dan]

At 6:07 PM -0400 4/20/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Here's another good question. Is it possible to run Snow Leopard on 
a PPC machine using  virtual PC?


Well, first of all the Mac would run an older Mac OS X, ppc native. 
The VM would run under that.  Since it emulates a BIOS based machine, 
you'd have to re-craft the BIOS->EFI wedge code, then boot in Snow 
Leopard.  Quite complicated.


If so, where do I download it? I have searched all over google and 
no flags anywhere.


It's a commercial product; you'd have to purchase it.


You know, if you're capable of doing all this...  It might be better 
to funnel your efforts into something more productive - like joining 
an open source project.  Adium needs developers!


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Re: I have an idea...

[Doug McNutt]

At 04:49 +0300 4/21/10, Baha Ata wrote:
>And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9...

Are you, and everyone else, aware of Classilla?


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Re: I have an idea...

[Baha Ata]

take out all Intel code from Leopard... and optimize all Leopard code
again for highest performance for PPC... it is become dark leopard...
or black leopard...

Make it! if you can... it is better than snow leopard on PPC :)

Or if you can, why not add support USB 2 to Mac OS 9...

it will be perfect...

or some addons for Mac OS 9 for ability choosing Firewire or USB disc
full speed start up...

And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9...

Those are mine wish list!

Really good wish list!

2010/4/20 Mark Sokolovsky :
> I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the
> PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do
> see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard.
> Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a
> longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal?
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Re: I have an idea...

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I'm almost 100% positive you'll never get SL running in Virtual PC. As 
far as I know, Virtual PC does not emulate SSE2, a processor technology 
required to run any Intel Mac OS. Besides, running an OS like SL in an 
emulator would be very painful and slow.


Doug McNutt wrote:

At 18:07 -0400 4/20/10, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Here's another good question. Is it possible to run Snow Leopard on a PPC 
machine using  virtual PC? If so, where do I download it? I have searched all 
over google and no flags anywhere. If anyone had a direct site or download link 
in which i can get Virtual PC 7 for my PPC mac, then post it. I just want to 
see what my reliable Sawtooth can do compared to my early 2010 intel i7 
quad-core iMac.

The folks using Linux take proper advantage of, and give proper credit to, 
programmers willing to help.

I am amazed, after reading the book, that X11 graphics are very much like the 
system calls of the good old MacOS prior to OS neXt.

Recovering the COMMAND key of the Mac OS and making ENTER execute a selected 
UNIX command while RETURN inserts a line end is my current goal but I may never 
get there.

So if you're really interested in making Snow Leopard work on other than 
current Apple machines please think about Linux.

Apple Computer, Inc. changed it's name to Apple, Inc. I'm starting to think 
they should have changed it to Apple Entertainment, Inc.
  


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Re: I have an idea...

[Doug McNutt]

At 18:07 -0400 4/20/10, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Here's another good question. Is it possible to run Snow Leopard on a PPC 
machine using  virtual PC? If so, where do I download it? I have searched all 
over google and no flags anywhere. If anyone had a direct site or download link 
in which i can get Virtual PC 7 for my PPC mac, then post it. I just want to 
see what my reliable Sawtooth can do compared to my early 2010 intel i7 
quad-core iMac.

The folks using Linux take proper advantage of, and give proper credit to, 
programmers willing to help.

I am amazed, after reading the book, that X11 graphics are very much like the 
system calls of the good old MacOS prior to OS neXt.

Recovering the COMMAND key of the Mac OS and making ENTER execute a selected 
UNIX command while RETURN inserts a line end is my current goal but I may never 
get there.

So if you're really interested in making Snow Leopard work on other than 
current Apple machines please think about Linux.

Apple Computer, Inc. changed it's name to Apple, Inc. I'm starting to think 
they should have changed it to Apple Entertainment, Inc.
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Re: I have an idea...

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the
> PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do
> see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard.
> Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a
> longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal?
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Besides taking a lot of work I do believe this would be a major violation of
the EULA.



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Re: I have an idea...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Here's another good question. Is it possible to run Snow Leopard on  
a PPC
machine using  virtual PC? If so, where do I download it? I have  
searched

all over google and no flags anywhere. If anyone had a direct site or
download link in which i can get Virtual PC 7 for my PPC mac, then  
post it.
I just want to see what my reliable Sawtooth can do compared to my  
early

2010 intel i7 quad-core iMac.


The only extant X86 emulators for PowerPC systems I know of are Q  and Bochs .


Virtual PC on the Mac was killed when Microsoft bought it, then used  
as the basis for their own VM stuff under Windows.


As for 'what your reliable Sawtooth can do compared to your quad-core  
iMac': not much at all.


I used Q to try to get Win98 running on my 1Ghz upgraded GigEthernet.  
(1Gig ram, ATI Radeon 9000 video)


I succeeded, in that I got a 'PC' up and running, and installed  
Windows 98.


It would take up to 20 MINUTES to boot up, and using it was an  
exercise in extreme tai-chi computing, but it ran.


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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Here's another good question. Is it possible to run Snow Leopard on a PPC
machine using  virtual PC? If so, where do I download it? I have searched
all over google and no flags anywhere. If anyone had a direct site or
download link in which i can get Virtual PC 7 for my PPC mac, then post it.
I just want to see what my reliable Sawtooth can do compared to my early
2010 intel i7 quad-core iMac.

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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I can go out and buy myself a new intel iMac. I already have some, but the
thing is, I want to do something fun, like a project to work on. I always
messed around with different systems and making them work on different
architectures, because i thought i might have had something to be proud of,
but i'm just saying... I have plenty of spare time, so why not?
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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

If it was an OS i was gonna make, I would make Mac OS X Snow leopard
(PowerPC Edition).

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Re: I have an idea...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Frank J. R. Hanstick wrote:


Hello,
	If you want to get an good idea of what is involved, look at Darwin  
9 (Leopard) vs Darwin 10 (Snow Leopard).  That will give you an idea  
of what is under the hood of each.


To an extent.

Darwin does not include the Core technologies which are a MAJOR part  
of Snow Leopard: Core Video, Core Graphics, etc.


These were heavily re-written between 10.5 and 10.6, in fact, I  
suspect this was where almost all of the work was done.


Seriously if you're too poor to buy a new mac there are loads of sites  
out there that'll help you get 10.6 running on a fairly wide  
assortment of non-Apple standard intel-based gear.


Apple isn't going to come hunt you down for making your own  
Hackintosh, unless you go into business selling them, like Psystar  
tried to do.


Web sites like OSX86 and Google groups like Hackintosh are both good  
sources of info and help


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Re: I have an idea...

[Frank J. R. Hanstick]

Hello,
	If you want to get an good idea of what is involved, look at Darwin 9  
(Leopard) vs Darwin 10 (Snow Leopard).  That will give you an idea of  
what is under the hood of each.


On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:06 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

I mean really, it's not waaay too hard because I know what i'm  
doing. I know

how hard it is because i developed an OS made from linux,



Seriously, no you don't know what you are doing, because you  
wouldn't be asking this question if you did.


To use the Standard LEM Car Metaphor, what you did was build a semi- 
custom dune buggy with a VW engine. Now you want to build a F1  
racer, using assorted parts from a Kenworth semi tractor, a BMW 520- 
series with the diesel engine and a Harley Sportster.


For one Rosetta is a useless lump of bits to a PPC machine. It is a  
PPC to X86 emulator, and only works in that direction. Also, Snow  
Leopard, despite it's name, is very nearly a rewrite of OS X. There  
is SO much under the hood that's different.


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Re: I have an idea...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:06 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

I mean really, it's not waaay too hard because I know what i'm  
doing. I know

how hard it is because i developed an OS made from linux,



Seriously, no you don't know what you are doing, because you wouldn't  
be asking this question if you did.


To use the Standard LEM Car Metaphor, what you did was build a semi- 
custom dune buggy with a VW engine. Now you want to build a F1 racer,  
using assorted parts from a Kenworth semi tractor, a BMW 520-series  
with the diesel engine and a Harley Sportster.


For one Rosetta is a useless lump of bits to a PPC machine. It is a  
PPC to X86 emulator, and only works in that direction. Also, Snow  
Leopard, despite it's name, is very nearly a rewrite of OS X. There is  
SO much under the hood that's different.


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Re: I have an idea...

[iJohn]

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:
> I do see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow 
> leopard.
> Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs.

So you're thinking you are still going to use a lot of the Leopard
kernel for OS X but run some (??) of the app only (??) parts of Snow
Leopard using Rosetta?

Sounds like a project if you're into that sort of thing.

The memory that comes to mind is of a YouTube video of OS X hacked to
run on a Pentium 3 vintage laptop. The video pretty much just ran for
a few minutes showing a mostly unchanging boot screen. Eventually the
guy shooting it lost patience and just shut it down before the boot
even finished.

Lot's of things of technically possible. Heck, in theory you could run
Snow Leopard on a Turing Machine, no?

> It's a longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal?

Good Gravy! What in the world of corporate code is NOT illegal these
days? I expect just looking at an OS X install disc and thinking
inappropriate thoughts is illegal.

A more pertinent question is would anybody care enough to come after
you? There's no way to answer that for certain, of course, but I doubt
it. Not unless you succeeded beyond your wildest expectations AND
widely distributed the result. Even then Apple might not bother if it
turned out there were enough hoops to jump through that it discouraged
all but a small fraction of folks from actually using what you had
hacked together.

Apple ain't Microsoft. They have a different list of things they are
obsessively paranoid about.

-irrational john

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Re: I have an idea...

[Dan]

At 1:41 AM -0400 4/20/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all 
under the PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in 
the system? I do see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and 
put it in snow leopard. Then integrate Rosetta into the system to 
run the intel programs. It's a longshot, but it just might work.


Not going to happen the way you suggest.

There are major differences under the hood of Leopard and Snow 
Leopard.  A lot of those differences are specialized bits to take 
advantage of the x86/Core architecture features.  So very few of the 
components are interchangeable.


Rosetta won't help you.  It is a *limited* ppc->x86 JIT translator 
that functions in user mode.  No kernel mode.  And it doesn't do g4 
or g5 or altivec instructions, much less x86->ppc.


IF you had the full source code of OS X - Darwin, Aqua, and all the 
other bits (apps too!), then you could do a ppc build.  All that 
would be left then would be to rewrite *all* the x86-only code that 
has been developed - dynamic mode switching (64 to 32 and back), the 
scheduler, kernel extensions, etc. [*]


[ow.  I'm pre-coffee.  Brain cramp.  Send Echo and a few other Dolls 
on a raid of Apple headquarters.  Get into that secure vault where 
The Source is kept and copy the whole fricking thing onto a single 
USB memory stick in 3.2 seconds.  Then escape - with guns blazing!]


It would be much easier to adapt a virtual machine that emulates the 
x86 environment, then boot real Snow Leopard into it.  Of course, 
there would be serious performance issues...  Microsoft's Virtual PC 
product comes to mind (bought from Connectix in 1993, munged to make 
it horrible, then terminated in 1996).  It supported x86 VM 
environments on ppc Macs, into which you could boot DOS, Windows, and 
Linux (Red Hat, I think).


[*]  Apple claims to have had OS X running on an x86 compouter all 
along.  Given L'Jobs deep rooted desire to keep his options open, I'd 
be willing to bet a few billion quatloos that there are currently AMD 
based computers hidden away that are running Snow Leopard.  Ditto for 
PPC based machines.  Perhaps they aren't Macs - perhaps they're just 
modern PowerPC based machines.  heh.  Or perhaps they're POWER or 
CELL based systems...  [Ask Echo to pick up a few of those on her way 
out].



Would that be illegal?


That much hacking into a copyrighted work... yea, that's a full-on 
derivative work - way beyond "fair use".  Serious copyright 
violation.


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Re: I have an idea...

[lana]

A few questions from a newbie-Are you saying I could run Snow Leopard on my 
Quicksilver 933 which runs Snow now,if I had your os?It sounds as if it is a 
good idea if Apple doesn't shut you down.

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Subject: Re: I have an idea...
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Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 2:43 AM


Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the 
> PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do see 
> a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard. Then 
> integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a longshot, 
> but it just might work. Would that be illegal?
> 

I think what you are thinking of doing is a LOT more work than you ever dreamed 
it would be.  Are you a coder?  Do you have a cross-platform compiler?  Though 
not absolutely necessary, the source development kits (SDKs) would be nice to 
have.  And, if any of the software you are talking about is copyrighted, yes, 
it is very illegal.  Sorry to be the prick that bursts the bubble, but every 
brilliant ideal faces the possibility of being dashed on the cold, hard, 
jagged, rocks of reality.  Peace, Dennis in Victoria

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Re: I have an idea...

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:32 AM, skinnie wrote:

> I wonder what benefits would you have?
> 64bit for the G5's?
> 
If you do it make sure the Disk Utility Restore function works on PPC G5 and 
G4. Apple can't seem to do it, at least on my machines, it must be the water 
around here:-)

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Re: I have an idea...

[skinnie]

I wonder what benefits would you have?
64bit for the G5's?

On Apr 20, 11:31 am, Dennis Myhand  wrote:
> Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> > I mean really, it's not waaay too hard because I know what i'm doing. I
> > know how hard it is because i developed an OS made from linux, and it
> > took me 3 years to complete. Since Leopard and Snow Leopard files are
> > similar in the way they work, fusing the codes together shouldn't be
> > that hard. The only side effect i would have is that i would have an OS
> > that takes up 16GB of HDD by itself.
>
> If you would reply off-list, what was the OS you developed?  I ask
> because I try to teach my students different OSes.  Thanks, Dennis in
> Victoria
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Re: I have an idea...

[Dennis Myhand]

Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I mean really, it's not waaay too hard because I know what i'm doing. I 
know how hard it is because i developed an OS made from linux, and it 
took me 3 years to complete. Since Leopard and Snow Leopard files are 
similar in the way they work, fusing the codes together shouldn't be 
that hard. The only side effect i would have is that i would have an OS 
that takes up 16GB of HDD by itself.




If you would reply off-list, what was the OS you developed?  I ask 
because I try to teach my students different OSes.  Thanks, Dennis in 
Victoria


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Re: I have an idea...

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


I mean really, it's not waaay too hard because I know what i'm doing.


Great, go for it!

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Re: I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I mean really, it's not waaay too hard because I know what i'm doing. I know
how hard it is because i developed an OS made from linux, and it took me 3
years to complete. Since Leopard and Snow Leopard files are similar in the
way they work, fusing the codes together shouldn't be that hard. The only
side effect i would have is that i would have an OS that takes up 16GB of
HDD by itself.

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Re: I have an idea...

[Dennis Myhand]

Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under 
the PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? 
I do see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow 
leopard. Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel 
programs. It's a longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal?




I think what you are thinking of doing is a LOT more work than you ever 
dreamed it would be.  Are you a coder?  Do you have a cross-platform 
compiler?  Though not absolutely necessary, the source development kits 
(SDKs) would be nice to have.  And, if any of the software you are 
talking about is copyrighted, yes, it is very illegal.  Sorry to be the 
prick that bursts the bubble, but every brilliant ideal faces the 
possibility of being dashed on the cold, hard, jagged, rocks of reality. 
 Peace, Dennis in Victoria


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I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the
PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do
see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard.
Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a
longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal?

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