Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
PeterH wrote: On May 16, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Clark Martin wrote: CRTs have no inherent resolution ... Sure they do. They either have one and only one horizontal sweep frequency and one and only one vertical sweep frequency, or they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface and automatically switched by adding or deleting resonant elements, usually capacitors, to select the new frequencies. There is a limited capture range for each set of frequencies. No they don't. They can operate over a range of frequencies for both vertical and horizontal. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Clark Martin wrote: They either have one and only one horizontal sweep frequency and one and only one vertical sweep frequency, or they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface and automatically switched by adding or deleting resonant elements, usually capacitors, to select the new frequencies. There is a limited capture range for each set of frequencies. No they don't. They can operate over a range of frequencies for both vertical and horizontal. Which is precisely what I stated: ... they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface ... I take it you are not an electrical engineer. I am. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
PeterH wrote: On May 16, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Clark Martin wrote: They either have one and only one horizontal sweep frequency and one and only one vertical sweep frequency, or they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface and automatically switched by adding or deleting resonant elements, usually capacitors, to select the new frequencies. There is a limited capture range for each set of frequencies. No they don't. They can operate over a range of frequencies for both vertical and horizontal. Which is precisely what I stated: ... they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface ... I take it you are not an electrical engineer. I am. Yes, I am an EE. CRTs don't have sets of frequencies they can lock on to a range of frequencies. And whether they use a range or have sets they still do not have a single inherent resolution. And capacitors are not resonant elements. If you were an EE you'd know that. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
From: Paul On May 16, 3:41 pm, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On May 16, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Paul wrote: Many, if not all, LCD monitors have a single best resolution and frequency. Many, if not all, monitors of ANY TYPE have a single best resolution and frequency, moreso with CRTs than with LCDs, however. I've usually gotten a very good picture using more than one resolution on a CRT, but I haven't yet found more than one clean-looking resolution on an LCD monitor. With an LCD, I think what they do is cluster a few pixels into one to handle anything less than the maximum resolution. That makes the view somewhat fuzzy. I can second that CRTs seem able to handle different resolutions better. Whenever I have looked at an LCD that is not real close to its native resolution, I have noticed it to be less than sharp. However, there are a set number of hardware pixels, no? And both CRTs and LCDs need to be software herded into displaying less. I used to have a magnifying glass on my desk to look at my old SE30 screens to see the little pixels, I forget why, I recall programming a few things that involved graphics and measuring things... g Let me get that old crazy feeling back... mmm Try this on your monitors !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html head meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 titleJust one pixel/title /head body div style=width: 1px; height: 1px; background: #c00;/div /body /html (Paste into BBEdit (or some text editor) and call it something.html and drag file over any modern browser) and take a decko at the red pixel with a magnifying glass. Gee, the pxs are so fine on an LCD! dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 17, 2009, at 4:12 AM, dorayme wrote: However, both CRTs and LCDs need to be software herded into displaying less. Here's an interesting one how LCDs are TOO SHARP CRISP and make old games look really BAD (too pixelated). Some students figured out how to software herd the LCD pixels to have CRT afterimage glow, and color bleed and other attributes of old phosphor CRT monitors. Be sure to click the links to the ENLARGED images to see how bad the LCD looks and how the reverse engineering makes the old games BETTER. This is so counter-intuitive that you'd need to reverse engineer a faster, sharper, crisper display to appear worse so that the game can appear better. http://www.digitallounge.gatech.edu/gaming/index.html?id=2824 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
Some personal feelings about this thread. Color CRT's have pixels. They are small dots of phosphor which are bombarded by three electron guns that send rays (the R in CRT) through a mask so they only hit their assigned dots. The R, G, and B drives modulate the intensity of the electron beams and the horizontal and vertical magnetic fields scan all three beams left and right and up and down. It is common practice to assume the CRT pixels are tiny and thus ignorable in the conversion from pixels in computer memory and the analog voltages that modulate the electron guns and scan the magnetic fields. An exception was cleartype software that attempted to get sub-pixel resolution in fonts by mucking with the actual spacing of color dots along the edges of graphemes. LCD's have much more obvious pixels in red, blue, and green but the placement is not so obvious as the triangular grid used in CRT's. I'm a little fuzzy on the details but I believe the grid is 2 x 2 square blocks of four pixels, 1 red, 1 blue, and 2 green with the placement of the pixels varying in the 2x2 squares is some intelligent fashion. The idea of sending data in a horizontal and vertical scan of serial bits that continuously update a whole screen is a throwback to CRT techniques which is likely necessary to make it possible for a CRT monitor to accept things like VGA, NTSC, and other television-like standards. Much better would be to give an LCD or other digital screen some memory and allow a computer to address each pixel while changing only the ones that need it. It would be much like the screen memory in a Mac 128k and could be implemented with LVDS, low voltage differential signalling, that has become popular in the likes of SATA disks and PCI express. Wouldn't it be nice to set a background and leave it there? Wouldn't a two wire connection to the LCD display be nice? For many things, but perhaps not games, the data rate to the LCD display would be tiny and suitable for the likes of X-window connections they way they were intended to run - over a network. What about putting an implementation of open GL into the monitor? In any case externally synchronized horizontal and vertical scan rates on an LCD or other digital monitor have no real functionality and ought to be replaced by addressable pixels. -- --The Creator is the God who provided the void and the rules that matter and energy must live by in order to exist in it. Intelligent designers and engineers create useful stuff while abiding by the rules.-- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
Many, if not all, LCD monitors have a single best resolution and frequency. This resolution tends to be the highest possible for the monitor, and the frequency is often 60 Hz. If you're trying to find it out without looking up the documentation, there might be software to query it and display it, or you could just use trial and error. LCD monitors tend not to support a lot of frequencies. Higher frequencies aren't necessary to avoid flicker, because of the higher persistence of the image over CRT's. 60 Hz will almost always work. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Paul wrote: Many, if not all, LCD monitors have a single best resolution and frequency. Many, if not all, monitors of ANY TYPE have a single best resolution and frequency, moreso with CRTs than with LCDs, however. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
From: Clark Martin dorayme wrote: At long last, I got a better card than the original that came with my QS 933, clearing the way for me to get a bigger screen. But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. Without check the manf data you'll never really know if the card is outputing the maximum resolution of the display. A simple google search of the model number yielded a screen resolution of 1680 x 1050. Thanks both you and PeterH. It looks like it is throwing up what I am calling the native res of the screen and I have changed to 1280 x 1050 and it looks fine. (It will do. But my thoughts are turning to bigger and better screens now that I have this fancier card). When you put the computer to sleep or the display to sleep (when it goes blank, not just screensaver) I assume the fan on the graphics card stops in both of these situations? -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 3:41 pm, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On May 16, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Paul wrote: Many, if not all, LCD monitors have a single best resolution and frequency. Many, if not all, monitors of ANY TYPE have a single best resolution and frequency, moreso with CRTs than with LCDs, however. I've usually gotten a very good picture using more than one resolution on a CRT, but I haven't yet found more than one clean-looking resolution on an LCD monitor. With an LCD, I think what they do is cluster a few pixels into one to handle anything less than the maximum resolution. That makes the view somewhat fuzzy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
One way to tell if the fan stops is to open the case and take a peek. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
PeterH wrote: On May 16, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Paul wrote: Many, if not all, LCD monitors have a single best resolution and frequency. Many, if not all, monitors of ANY TYPE have a single best resolution and frequency, moreso with CRTs than with LCDs, however. Other way around. CRTs have no inherent resolution, LCDs. LCDs have an exact number of pixels, x and y. CRTs can display pixels over a wide range and frequently their highest possible resolution isn't their best resolution. And which resolution is best is dependent the user. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
dorayme wrote: From: Clark Martin dorayme wrote: At long last, I got a better card than the original that came with my QS 933, clearing the way for me to get a bigger screen. But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. Without check the manf data you'll never really know if the card is outputing the maximum resolution of the display. A simple google search of the model number yielded a screen resolution of 1680 x 1050. Thanks both you and PeterH. It looks like it is throwing up what I am calling the native res of the screen and I have changed to 1280 x 1050 and it looks fine. (It will do. But my thoughts are turning to bigger and better screens now that I have this fancier card). When you put the computer to sleep or the display to sleep (when it goes blank, not just screensaver) I assume the fan on the graphics card stops in both of these situations? The fan will definitely stop when the computer is asleep. I don't think it would stop when the display is asleep. While the display isn't showing anything the video card is still processing information and putting pixels in the display buffer. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Clark Martin wrote: CRTs have no inherent resolution ... Sure they do. They either have one and only one horizontal sweep frequency and one and only one vertical sweep frequency, or they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface and automatically switched by adding or deleting resonant elements, usually capacitors, to select the new frequencies. There is a limited capture range for each set of frequencies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Native resolution of LCD monitors?
At long last, I got a better card than the original that came with my QS 933, clearing the way for me to get a bigger screen. But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? I have a feeling that one of my screens is 1600 by 1080 but this is not quite one of the possibilities showing up from the new card. Close is 1600 by 1024, sure looks fine but it would be nice to be exactly right. I must say, the colours look so much better with this new card with its little fan! And being a true Mac card, I might even have a go at using the sleep function sometime. I run two monitors off this card: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,R350 Type:Display Bus: AGP Slot:SLOT-1 VRAM (Total):128 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x4e48 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision:113-A07525-130 Displays: DELL SP1908FP: Resolution: 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Supported Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported VA2026w: Resolution: 1600 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Supported Main Display:Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Anyone know if there is a technique to discover *native res* of the monitors. Do the monitors not supply the info somehow to the OS? Perhaps I might need to get software from the card manufacturer's website. I recall the twin turbo software from that old chestnut card on my 7300, able to deliver different resolutions... -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 15, 2009, at 9:35 PM, dorayme wrote: But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? On a modern card connected to a modern monitor, the software reads the monitor which returns its various resolutions and maximum frequencies. These resolutions and frequencies are presented as options in the Displays control panel. If a particular resolution or a particular frequency is not shown, it is not supported. Usually, you are given nearly all of the usual suspect resolutions, but not necessarily all of the frequencies. On my present monitor, a 23 LCD, I am given up to 1920 x 1200, bit this resolution is a tad unstable on the right side, so I back down to 1680 x 1050, and at 1680 x 1050 I am given the frequency options of 56, 59 and 60 Hz. I selected 60 Hz. The corresponding About This Mac ... data is: ATY,Rage128Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,Rage128Pro Type:Display Bus: AGP Slot:SLOT-1 VRAM (Total):16 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x5046 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision:113-72701-130 Displays: MB24W: Resolution: 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Not Supported Main Display:Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Not Supported Bottom line: there are a number of native resolutions, and within each, there are a number of native frequencies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
dorayme wrote: At long last, I got a better card than the original that came with my QS 933, clearing the way for me to get a bigger screen. But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? I have a feeling that one of my screens is 1600 by 1080 but this is not quite one of the possibilities showing up from the new card. Close is 1600 by 1024, sure looks fine but it would be nice to be exactly right. I must say, the colours look so much better with this new card with its little fan! And being a true Mac card, I might even have a go at using the sleep function sometime. I run two monitors off this card: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,R350 Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 128 MB Vendor:ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x4e48 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision: 113-A07525-130 Displays: DELL SP1908FP: Resolution:1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image:Supported Mirror:Off Online:Yes Quartz Extreme:Supported VA2026w: Resolution:1600 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image:Supported Main Display: Yes Mirror:Off Online:Yes Quartz Extreme:Supported Anyone know if there is a technique to discover *native res* of the monitors. Do the monitors not supply the info somehow to the OS? Perhaps I might need to get software from the card manufacturer's website. I recall the twin turbo software from that old chestnut card on my 7300, able to deliver different resolutions... Without check the manf data you'll never really know if the card is outputing the maximum resolution of the display. A simple google search of the model number yielded a screen resolution of 1680 x 1050. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
