Re: Smurf startup issues

2010-04-05 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:


Listers,

My G3 BW will not boot up.unless I use Safe Mode.  When I try  
to boot normally, I see a rectangular black box in the center of my  
monitor.  The box appears pretty early in the start-up sequence.


I have nothing connected to the G3.  No printer or CAT-5 for  
internet.  The OS is 10.4.11 and the G3 has 1 GB of RAM.


Look in the panic logs. It should give you a pointer to what's  
happening.


Alternatively, start in verbose mode, and see what's on the screen  
when it panics.


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Re: Smurf

2010-03-30 Thread Kris Tilford

On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:


Can a Smurf G3 be booted into Target Mode?


No.

I want to upgrade the OS to 10.4.11 but the Smurf does not have a  
DVD drive.


Options:

1) Tiger CD Installer 4 disc set
2) Use XPostFacto helper disk to boot from external Firewire DVD  
drive.

3) Boot from external USB DVD drive (very slow).
4) Clone the installer DVD to HD partition or USB Flash drive.
5) Remove HD, install Tiger elsewhere, replace HD.
6) Use NetBoot to install Tiger:http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2005050214484646 


7) Clone Tiger from previously installed external System

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Re: Smurf

2010-03-30 Thread ThisOldMacSupport
Smurfs didn't have that functionality as far as I recall. Alternative would
be to use an ext enclosure kit to attach it VIA firewire to another newer
Mac that supports TD mode
Example enclsure:
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5item=434681pid=_Froogleci_src=14110944ci_sku=808668

Make sure whatever enclosure you choose supports the older PATA (IDE) drives
(that came in the smurfs) and says COMBO in the name of the model which
usually indicates that both USB and Firewire ports and cables with the kit

This is how we have done it


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 Greetings,

 Can a Smurf G3 be booted into Target Mode?

 I want to upgrade the OS to 10.4.11 but the Smurf does not have a DVD
 drive.


 Larry

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Re: Smurf

2009-09-09 Thread Michael J. Amato

enough already!!


On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:03 PM, g...@gmx.net wrote:

 smurf,chief of the group!


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Re: Smurf

2009-09-08 Thread Len Gerstel

On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote:


 At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote:
 On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote:
How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside  
 knowledge,
   why some models were called smurfs?
 
 This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching
 the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and  
 what
 to look for.

 OTOH it's maybe it should be hard to find, and left as an exercise
 for the searcher.  After all, a girl has to keep some mystery about
 her.

 - Dan.
 --
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 A search with Clusty using Mac model smurf has the first three  
 hits the Mac G3.
 Point the search to Mac first then model then smurf. At least  
 it seems to work this way. I would imagine the same results would be  
 returned but farther down the return list with a different order of  
 the search terms.

 I don't use Google anymore or I would check using it.

 Please correct me as my assumptions are usually in error. :-[

 Enjoy,

 ErnieG

Only one of those links even comes close to the explanation of Smurf,  
and that is the lowendmac that includes a picture of smurfs with no  
label saying that this is a smurf on the page. Others just say  
something to the effect of Nickname: Smurf with no explanation if you  
did not know what a smurf is.

While smurfs were pretty ingrained in the US (and I believe European)  
culture of the 1970's and 80's there are many cultures that have never  
heard of them.

Len


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Re: Smurf

2009-09-08 Thread Ernest L. Gunerius
On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote:


At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote:
How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge,
why some models were called smurfs?

This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching
  the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what
  to look for.
Snip:
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A search with Clusty using Mac model smurf has the first three 
hits the Mac G3.
Point the search to Mac first then model then smurf. At least 
it seems to work this way. I would imagine the same results would 
be returned but farther down the return list with a different order 
of the search terms.
Snip:
ErnieG


Only one of those links even comes close to the explanation of 
Smurf, and that is the lowendmac that includes a picture of smurfs 
with no label saying that this is a smurf on the page. Others just 
say something to the effect of Nickname: Smurf with no explanation 
if you did not know what a smurf is.

While smurfs were pretty ingrained in the US (and I believe 
European) culture of the 1970's and 80's there are many cultures 
that have never heard of them.

Len

Sorry:

I thought the questions were:
   why some models were called smurfs?
and then:
how to search, combine ideas and whatto look for.

All other reported searches seemed to say they only found the 
description of the little Blue and White  figures with no connection 
to Macs.

The example I gave answered two of the questions. That leaves:

combine ideas and whatto look for.

Which are beyond my teaching skills. :-(
As i said my assumptions are usually in error. :-[

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Re: Smurf

2009-09-08 Thread Gorka Martinez Mezo


The smurfs (pitufos in Spanish) were very popular in the early 1980s Spain.

When the PowerMac G3 BW appeared, it was quickly nicknamed pitufo as both 
were blue and white.

The original iMac G3 was popularly known as cabezon (Big headed), while the 
fancy iMac G4 was known as Lamparita (desk lamp).

Until the late 1990s Macs were a real rarity around here. The iMac G3 was the 
first popular model and raised brand awareness quite a bit.

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Re: Smurf

2009-09-08 Thread dorayme

 Date: Tues, Sep 8 2009 4:52 am
 From: Len Gerstel

 ...

 Only one of those links even comes close to the explanation of Smurf,
 and that is the lowendmac that includes a picture of smurfs with no
 label saying that this is a smurf on the page. Others just say
 something to the effect of Nickname: Smurf with no explanation if you
 did not know what a smurf is.

 While smurfs were pretty ingrained in the US (and I believe European)
 culture of the 1970's and 80's there are many cultures that have never
 heard of them.

It is hard to see why finding out something is hard if you already  
know it. On one page that came up on a reasonable search request,  
there were some smurfs with red in them! I think red hats or boots, I  
forget!

Anyway, you can see in all of this, the importance, when making  
informative web pages, to have informative headings and text that can  
be picked up in grabs by search engines. You can be very informative  
in a long piece on something without it being search engine friendly.  
I guess that writing with search engines in mind is not exactly a  
skill easily learned and I am sure we can all imagine hilariously  
clumsy attempts to learn this skill! g

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Re: Smurf

2009-09-08 Thread glmm
On one page that came up on a reasonable search request,  
there were some smurfs with red in them! I think red hats or boots, I  
forget!

That was an one off smurf,chief of the group! There were also black smurfs, 
born from standard stock smurfs.

FWIW,

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Re: Smurf

2009-09-07 Thread Jim Scott


On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:09 PM, dorayme wrote:


 How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge,
 why some models were called smurfs?

 --
 dorayme


Well, let's see. Google smurf and the first hit you'll get says  
Smurfs were small blue people, and the images of them under the hit  
show them to be blue and white, with the blue very much the same shade  
as the first blue and white G3 towers. Hmmm. Is that why those G3  
towers were called Smurfs? Good guess.

HTH,

:^)

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Re: Smurf

2009-09-07 Thread Len Gerstel


On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote:


 How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge,
 why some models were called smurfs?


This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching  
the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what  
to look for. Yes, I know the answer off the top of my head, but you  
may not know the cultural reference implied.

The first search for:
mac names smurf

Came up blank on the first page.

then
Mac model names smurf

got close, with a link to a Lowendmac.com page about the B  W with a  
nickname listed of Smurf.

Then I realized that smurf is not an official, or even developmental  
name of the machine, but one given to it by users. So I then googled
mac model nicknames smurf
and got a little closer, but still no win.

Now, however, if you do an image search for smurf, knowing the bare  
history of apple computers will hopefully help you put the two  
concepts together.

That search for smurf images will show you that they are blue skinned  
and most are shown wearing white clothes.

That is how the Blue and white G3s got the nickname. But it does take  
a bit of outside of the box thinking that is very valuable to learn  
when almost all the information known to humankind is available with  
just a few keystrokes.

Len


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Re: Smurf

2009-09-07 Thread Dan

At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote:
   How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge,
  why some models were called smurfs?

This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching 
the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what 
to look for.

OTOH it's maybe it should be hard to find, and left as an exercise 
for the searcher.  After all, a girl has to keep some mystery about 
her.

- Dan.
-- 
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Re: Smurf

2009-09-07 Thread Ernest L. Gunerius

At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote:
How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge,
   why some models were called smurfs?

This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching
the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what
to look for.

OTOH it's maybe it should be hard to find, and left as an exercise
for the searcher.  After all, a girl has to keep some mystery about
her.

- Dan.
--
- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.

A search with Clusty using Mac model smurf has the first three hits 
the Mac G3.
Point the search to Mac first then model then smurf. At least 
it seems to work this way. I would imagine the same results would be 
returned but farther down the return list with a different order of 
the search terms.

I don't use Google anymore or I would check using it.

Please correct me as my assumptions are usually in error. :-[

Enjoy,

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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote:


 Hi. Just upgraded a Blue  White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768
 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4.

 The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11
 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X
 appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS
 X on this disk.


Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel  
and PPC versions.

Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net?

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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread tonycd

Specifically chose the PPC version.

Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a
wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's
AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think
maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN).


On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote:



  Hi. Just upgraded a Blue  White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768
  RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4.

  The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11
  Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X
  appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS
  X on this disk.

 Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel
 and PPC versions.

 Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net?

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 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread tonycd

Specifically chose the PPC version.

Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a
wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's
AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think
maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN).


On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote:



  Hi. Just upgraded a Blue  White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768
  RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4.

  The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11
  Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X
  appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS
  X on this disk.

 Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel
 and PPC versions.

 Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net?

 --
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 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread tonycd

Specifically chose the PPC version.

Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a
wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's
AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think
maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN).


On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote:



  Hi. Just upgraded a Blue  White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768
  RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4.

  The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11
  Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X
  appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS
  X on this disk.

 Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel
 and PPC versions.

 Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net?

 --
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 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread Kris Tilford

 On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote:

 Hi. Just upgraded a Blue  White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768
 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4.

 The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11
 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X
 appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install  
 OS
 X on this disk.

 Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edureplied:

 Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel
 and PPC versions.

 tonycd replied:

 Specifically chose the PPC version.

 Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net?

 Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a
 wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's
 AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card --
 I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek  
 Wireless LAN).

Did you open System PreferenceNetwork to be sure the Realtek wireless  
port has been detected?

You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the  
connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the  
utility manually if it's not automatically launching.

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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread tonycd

Specifically chose the PPC version.

Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a
wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's
AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think
maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN).


On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote:



  Hi. Just upgraded a Blue  White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768
  RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4.

  The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11
  Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X
  appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS
  X on this disk.

 Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel
 and PPC versions.

 Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net?

 --
 Bruce Johnson
 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

 Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread tonycd

I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back
there.

I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if
it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I
figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it.


 Did you open System PreferenceNetwork to be sure the Realtek wireless
 port has been detected?

 You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the
 connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the
 utility manually if it's not automatically launching.
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Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates

2009-06-24 Thread tonycd

I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back
there.

I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if
it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I
figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it.


 Did you open System PreferenceNetwork to be sure the Realtek wireless
 port has been detected?

 You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the
 connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the
 utility manually if it's not automatically launching.
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