Re: 10.3.9 hacking
Well so far I'm up to GCC 4.1.2. the 4.2.x series are refusing to build so I'm going to jump over them and see if I can get a later series to build. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
Except that Apple doesn't like GPLv3, so the gcc you get in Xcode will forever be a fork of 4.2.1. So far I've managed to build the gcc 3.4.6 using the version of gcc 3.3 included with Xcode 1.5. Going straight to 4.6.1 was never going to work. I then used that version of gcc to build the GNU core-utilities. 4.6.1 still doesn't want to build, so I might give the GNU version of 4.2.1 a go. Apple may not support 10.3.9, but GNU still supports Darwin-ppc, so I hope that with a few intermediate steps I should be able to update the UNIX tools to a fully up-to-date set. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
To me Panther was the first version of OS X that really nailed it. Then they started adding bloat like Dashboard. It runs GarageBand 2 (also my favourite version for functionality against bloat) with the most available resources. And PPC has always been better for time syncing than Intel. I hope someone comes up with a working PPC Mac emulator that runs 10.3.9 before the hardware gives up the ghost, as otherwise I'll be running my legacy software on a virtual Windows box. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
At 2:52 PM -0700 10/15/2011, Andrew Owen wrote: Explain please "dropped in the graphics from Lion". Lion is an x86 build and your Mini is a G4. They're just graphics. They're not CPU dependent. Sure, Panther doesn't use the 512x512 icon definitions in a .icns file, but the file still works. Had to design my own MacOS 9 folder icon, and I noticed that the folder icons are slightly lighter in Lion than they were in (Snow)Leopard. Ah. ok. In the context, I thought you meant a graphics *driver*. Instead you're talking about moving some of the imagery over. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
On Oct 15, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Owen wrote: They're just graphics. They're not CPU dependent. This is interesting. I thought they were normally built against certain other dependencies on other kexts, and that often newer kexts wouldn't load if the kexts it was dependent upon were too old. Are you certain these are actually loading? Do they show in Terminal>kextstat? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
> Explain please "dropped in the graphics from Lion". Lion is an x86 build and your Mini is a G4. They're just graphics. They're not CPU dependent. Sure, Panther doesn't use the 512x512 icon definitions in a .icns file, but the file still works. Had to design my own MacOS 9 folder icon, and I noticed that the folder icons are slightly lighter in Lion than they were in (Snow)Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
At 7:48 AM -0700 10/14/2011, Andrew Owen wrote: hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. Explain please "dropped in the graphics from Lion". Lion is an x86 build and your Mini is a G4. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Andrew Owen wrote: Hi folks, I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to continue posting about my progress. I don't get it? Why are you 'hacking' Panther when both Tiger & Leopard will run on all the G4 Minis? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
At 15:50 -0700 10/14/11, Eric Hall wrote: >That sounds very interesting indeed. > > >From: Andrew Owen >To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:48 AM >Subject: 10.3.9 hacking > >Hi folks, > >I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these >days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little >more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on >to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly >more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy >to continue posting about my progress. > >Cheers! Apple's 10.3.9 is the last version that allows me to continue using my SE/30 as an HFS file server. I have moved most of my serious efforts to ubuntu Linux which has little trouble communicating with my SE/30 using Stairway's NetPresenz. My G4 runs VectorWorks and I need it but that's about all. I keep hoping that the open source guise will come up with a CAD program that works. And, of course the lady of the house has a brand new iPhone 4S and runs Lion on a portable and a desktop. The best I can do is a login account on each where I can use Terminal.app. Gestures prove to me nothing more than that all iOS boxes are female. I gave up understanding the proper motions long ago. I'm preparing this on an 8500 running OS 9. It works well and I understand it. That's more than I can say about Apple's mail.app that continues to send me messages which ignore all of RFC-2822. Count me as very much interested in your efforts. -- --> From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
Yes please keep us informed of your progress. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Andrew Owen wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these > days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little > more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved > on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some > slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd > be happy to continue posting about my progress. well the very first thing I'd do is move up to at least 10.5.8; that will get you much more up-to-date almost immediately. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
That sounds very interesting indeed. From: Andrew Owen To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: 10.3.9 hacking Hi folks, I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to continue posting about my progress. Cheers! -Andrew -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
