Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Mittwoch 14 Juli 2010N From:Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Andreas, Big congrats on getting your new Linux Box running well!! Thanks. Since amd64 (x86-64) is so well supported this was not at all hard to accomplish. I take it you built your own System? Sounds nice and very fast. What GPU did you use? I use Gentoo which has a very well documentation of what to do to get it running. What was really really fast was compiling all the programs (which Gentoo's portage system does for you, basically) – for which the G5 Dual-Core 2.0 GHz had me watch for about 4 days compile all the stuff needed to get to a decent desktop. With this Phenom II X6 it took me only about 24 hours – amazing! The GPU is –for now– an older Radeon X1800GTO PCIe. It is very very well supported in Linux – on x86/amd64. I tried a Radeon X1900 Mac Edition on my G5 Dual-Core (ppc64, but also ppc) and it was/is not at all supported. The reason being that the driver under Linux requires the PC-AtomBIOS to work correctly, which is missing on OpenFirmware and, for that matter: on EFI-based graphics cards. I'm planning on using a Radeon HD5770 with 1 GB of video RAM. Also, How did you migrate your data to Linux? and any suggestions on how to do so? I think you got me wrong here. I used Linux all the way. I started off on a PC running Gentoo Linux. I then migrated to a newer PC. Then I got the first G4 Mac and got Gentoo Linux running on it as well and migrated all my data to this G4 (on Gentoo Linux!). Then it was the G5 Dual-Core, and now it is the Phenom II X6. My point was: imagine such a transition (x86 platfrom to PowerPC platform to PowerPC 64-bit platfrom and finally to x86-64 platform) with any other operating system… And for Linux that's not even the limit: arm, mips and so on is also an alternative. As long as you have a supported graphics card nothing will hinder you to run you desktop on a non-mainstream platform. Only you will most likely experience more problems than with mainstream platforms… (Like I did with my G5.) Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 15:19 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: You can set up each and every one of those services (indeed they're INCLUDED) with Leopard client. The ONLY differences between OSX Client and OSX Server are: AFP connections are limited to 5 simultaneous connections in OS X Client. OSX CLient does not include the large suite of administration tools in OS X Server. OSX Client is pre-set as a client, not a server OS. OSX Client doesn't come with the unix development tools like gcc; you need to install the (free) Developer Tools. Moreover, if you use MacPorts, Fink or simply compile the server apps yourself, any server class software can be enabled in OSX Client. Thanks for pointing this out Bruce, and you're absolutely right. The problem I've run into the past is that there just that aren't many people running these services on OS X, and it's tough to get help if you run into a problem. With Linux, you're dealing with pretty much the same config files with the same syntax. So if I install NFS on Linux, I'm likely to run into the same issues as folks on Linux x86 and can tap their knowledge for support. One problem I had with using nfsd on OS X client was that Linux clients had to have the same UID as existed on the OS X server. I've found fink to typically be very outdated, and I never could get MacPorts working properly, though that was a while back. The issues I run into with compiling my own binaries is that very often I'll find libraries missing and it can be a real hassle tracking them down - and compiling them too. With most linux distros finding a missing library is usually a snap (try 'apt-cache search' sometime on a Debian distro.) Lastly I want to point out that I'm not a professional admin. I just enjoy tinkering with this stuff. My real job is working with Windows (I know, ugh!) When I get home I want to wash that filth out of my brain, so I use OS's (and platforms) that are not mainstream. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:12 +0200, Mac User #330250 wrote: Also, How did you migrate your data to Linux? and any suggestions on how to do so? I think you got me wrong here. I used Linux all the way. I started off on a PC running Gentoo Linux. I then migrated to a newer PC. Then I got the first G4 Mac and got Gentoo Linux running on it as well and migrated all my data to this G4 (on Gentoo Linux!). Then it was the G5 Dual-Core, and now it is the Phenom II X6. Just out of curiousity, how long did it take Gentoo to compile on your G4? I'm guessing about 3 weeks. :) A helpful hint if you like Gentoo on older hardware - look into distcc. I believe there's a way to distribute the compiling amongst all your hardware, which would be especially helpful for you considering all the machines you seem to have at your disposal. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 17:48 -0500, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server... I've successfully loaded Ubuntu 10.04 PowerPC 64-bit on my G5, and so far it's doing well. Are you using the Ubuntu server version or the client version? Client version. I wanted to try out the client version and make sure I could get a workable desktop. If I decide to get serious about turning it into a server, I may wipe it and reinstall the server version, though I think all the services are available for the desktop version as well. I probably don't need a kernel tuned for server use, as anything I do with it will be light duty. The server kernel may even be available via apt-get. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 21:09 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote: I once put Yellowdog on a G-3 266MHz. It looked and worked like Linux on a PC of that speed. When you have access to OS-X why in God's name would you want to put Linux on a G-5? OS-X is what happens to Linux when you pay the programmers! Since I bought my little G-4 DA I haven't touched Linux and don't intend to. Why would I? I have a beautiful, fully functional, UNIX system that will do what I want, when I want, and I don't have to finish any of the programs for my situation. Am not understanding this. Peace, Dennis I have three main reasons for wanting to run Linux on my G5. Firstly, as someone else said I want an OS with recent software and updates. Secondly, I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server, which will soon be outdated and unpatched, as well as being a pain to deal with (or at least so I've heard). Thirdly, I like tinkering with computers and Linux, which I've been using on an amateur basis since the 1990's. This G5 was semi-retired, and sat in the living room only occasionally playing music, movies or music. I've successfully loaded Ubuntu 10.04 PowerPC 64-bit on my G5, and so far it's doing well. I haven't had much time to experiment, but have a basic desktop loaded. Unlike the x86 version, there is no hardware 3d graphics acceleration or eye candy, though the desktop is still attractive in a 2d fashion. Totem won't play video unless launched from the command line (?!?), audio was a bit tricky get to my external speakers (as opposed to the internal speaker.) It's been a much better experience than Fedora, which I never could get to the desktop. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
Andreas, Big congrats on getting your new Linux Box running well!! I take it you built your own System? Sounds nice and very fast. What GPU did you use? Also, How did you migrate your data to Linux? and any suggestions on how to do so? Thx! Mike On Jul 5, 3:54 pm, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: As the comparison of Mac OS X and Linux: Linux is now on my new Phenom II X6 fast as hell and very much like Mac OS X is concerning optical features and usablility. The Look and Feel is great. I use KDE by the way. In the United Stated Gnome is more widely use, I heard. Anyway – all my programs, settings, accounts and all personal files are now moving /again/ to the new computer. With Linux this is possible. Never heard of anything like it on other operating systems. (From the PC (to the PC to the PC) to the Mac (to the Mac to the Mac) and back to the PC with not much impact on the personal settings and files.) Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 aka Linux User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I have three main reasons for wanting to run Linux on my G5. Firstly, as someone else said I want an OS with recent software and updates. Secondly, I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server You can set up each and every one of those services (indeed they're INCLUDED) with Leopard client. The ONLY differences between OSX Client and OSX Server are: AFP connections are limited to 5 simultaneous connections in OS X Client. OSX CLient does not include the large suite of administration tools in OS X Server. OSX Client is pre-set as a client, not a server OS. OSX Client doesn't come with the unix development tools like gcc; you need to install the (free) Developer Tools. Moreover, if you use MacPorts, Fink or simply compile the server apps yourself, any server class software can be enabled in OSX Client. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
Eric Volker wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 21:09 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote: I once put Yellowdog on a G-3 266MHz. It looked and worked like Linux on a PC of that speed. When you have access to OS-X why in God's name would you want to put Linux on a G-5? OS-X is what happens to Linux when you pay the programmers! Since I bought my little G-4 DA I haven't touched Linux and don't intend to. Why would I? I have a beautiful, fully functional, UNIX system that will do what I want, when I want, and I don't have to finish any of the programs for my situation. Am not understanding this. Peace, Dennis I have three main reasons for wanting to run Linux on my G5. Firstly, as someone else said I want an OS with recent software and updates. Secondly, I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server, which will soon be outdated and unpatched, as well as being a pain to deal with (or at least so I've heard). Thirdly, I like tinkering with computers and Linux, which I've been using on an amateur basis since the 1990's. This G5 was semi-retired, and sat in the living room only occasionally playing music, movies or music. If you have a need for these daemons and have no desire, or cannot afford, to pay for the OS, then Linux is about your only choice. And, it does work well on older hardware. I've successfully loaded Ubuntu 10.04 PowerPC 64-bit on my G5, and so far it's doing well. I haven't had much time to experiment, but have a basic desktop loaded. Unlike the x86 version, there is no hardware 3d graphics acceleration or eye candy, though the desktop is still attractive in a 2d fashion. Totem won't play video unless launched from the command line (?!?), audio was a bit tricky get to my external speakers (as opposed to the internal speaker.) It's been a much better experience than Fedora, which I never could get to the desktop. This is exactly what drives me nuts about Linux. Something will not work unless you jump through this hoop, then this one, then these two over here. Good luck, Dennis Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server... I've successfully loaded Ubuntu 10.04 PowerPC 64-bit on my G5, and so far it's doing well. Are you using the Ubuntu server version or the client version? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I have three main reasons for wanting to run Linux on my G5. Firstly, as someone else said I want an OS with recent software and updates. Secondly, I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server DNS/bind in OS X: http://amychr.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/serving-with-os-x-bind-and-dns/ NFS in OSX: http://jayk.vox.com/library/post/nfs-serving-in-mac-os-x---leopard.html rsync is built in I've used that myself, just follow the man pages. Samba is built-in, and obeys the /etc/smb.conf file. Keeping them updated is simply a matter of getting the source and configure/make/make install. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On 7/13/10 3:02 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I have three main reasons for wanting to run Linux on my G5. Firstly, as someone else said I want an OS with recent software and updates. Secondly, I want a server class OS that I can set up services like NFS, Samba, rsync, DHCP and DNS without paying Apple for the privilege of loading Leopard Server, which will soon be outdated and unpatched, as well as being a pain to deal with (or at least so I've heard). Thirdly, I like tinkering with computers and Linux, which I've been using on an amateur basis since the 1990's. This G5 was semi-retired, and sat in the living room only occasionally playing music, movies or music. I have a G4 DA running OS X 10.4 as my main server. It has about 2Tb of storage via a SATA card. It has DHCP (ISC), DNS (ISC) and SMB (Tiger standard) running on it. Some day I'll get NFS running on it. I use WebMin to administer DHCP and DNS. I've successfully loaded Ubuntu 10.04 PowerPC 64-bit on my G5, and so far it's doing well. I haven't had much time to experiment, but have a basic desktop loaded. Unlike the x86 version, there is no hardware 3d graphics acceleration or eye candy, though the desktop is still attractive in a 2d fashion. Totem won't play video unless launched from the command line (?!?), audio was a bit tricky get to my external speakers (as opposed to the internal speaker.) It's been a much better experience than Fedora, which I never could get to the desktop. Between YDL, Debian, Fedora and Ubuntu I'd have to say that Ubuntu has been the best experience to date, on a PPC Mac or (non-Mac) Intel box. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Montag 12 Juli 2010N From:Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I think Ubuntu is most like OS X, but it isn't officially supported for PPC. While it's not officially supported by Canonical, there are community builds for PPC that are usually up-to-date. That's what I used first on my G4 MDD. Worked well with my Radeon 9000. You can boot the live CD or DVD and see if it works for you? The nVidia card should have proprietary drivers available. I'm not sure about the ATI. Well, the proprietary drivers are available for x86 and nowerdays also for amd64, but not for ppc or ppc64. And they never will be. That's the glitch. Since companies understand their “Linux support” as “Linux/x86 support” there are some set-backs on PowerPCs. The Radeon 9000 Pro is well supported by the open source drivers. Don't know about the others. For nVidia I only got the unaccellerated driver called nv running, and it is slow. Thus, desktop for text applications: yes, but no multimedia or any of the free games will work to you satisfaction. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Montag 12 Juli 2010N From:Eric Volker evol...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I know you've stated that G4s are the best bet for LinuxPPC, but I only have a dual G5 and an Intel iMac at my disposal. Which version of Linux best supports the G5 and the Radeon 9700/Nvidia 5200 I have at my disposal? Fedora was a waste of time - graphics glitches with both cards. Sorry, but you should find out quickly when you try the various Live CDs/DVDs. I'm not sure about the Radeon 9700 – if it is as well supported as the Radeon 9000 Pro. I'm almost 100% certain that the nVidia 5200 will only work unaccellerated – and you won't like that. I generally prefer openSuSE Linux, and it has an official PowerPC edition. If you test a Linux and find one working well for your G5, please post a note. It could be interesting also for others. I know I'm interested. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Montag 12 Juli 2010N From:Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com OS-X is what happens to Linux when you pay the programmers! One may say, that OS X is what happens if you put a system with UNIX roots under control of a single company. OS X will work on Apple computers only, and with a little work on PCs that are very similar to Macs. It has a hard time running on other hardware and it will not easily support open standards other then those that are in the interest of that very company. But yes, it is a nice system and I like(d) it very much. Since I bought my little G-4 DA I haven't touched Linux and don't intend to. Why would I? Since Windows XP I haven't used Windows at all. Why would I? (And I know that millions of PC users will start shaking their heads…) I have a beautiful, fully functional, UNIX system that will do what I want, when I want, and I don't have to finish any of the programs for my situation. Am not understanding this. Some people simply want an actively developed desktop that also gets security updates and fixes of any kind. If this is not importaint to you, you can stick to your UNIX system and be happy with it. I intend to build a PC that will run Windows 98 for some old games I still have laying around. It will be my historic gaming PC. I'm looking forward to it. I also actively use a G3 BW with Mac OS X 10.4.11 at my work to run text applications and occationally also to surf the internet. But this internet thing will sooner or later have to stop. I see the end coming because newer browsers will stop to support Tiger and also the security updates by Apple are long history. But for the text thing I can still use it for years to come. Don't get me wrong, Mac OS X is a beautiful and well working system on my Macs. BUT – no longer actively developed. Just think of it that way: if a project is no longer active, you can only use it for that long until you find that it should have been updated to continue to do its job in an ever changing world. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
Hello, There is a JAVA program called Electric VLSI Design System which might be of interest. There is also BRL Cad. I do not know how well they work on Linux. On Jul 10, 2010, at 2:45 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Dienstag 06 Juli 2010N From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro-Engineer which are way out of my price range. KiCAD may be what you are looking for. It's available for Windows, Linux and, probably via Fink or MacPorts also for Mac OS X. http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/kicad/ – Authors' homepage. http://kicad.sourceforge.net/ – at SourceForge (a Wiki basically). You may find others. Most Linux distros will have some free CAD applications in their corresponding repositories. I'd look there first. Other sources include the Open Directory, like at dmoz.org: http://www.dmoz.org/Science/Technology/Electronics/CAD/Electronic_Design_Automation/PCB_Design/ Problem will probably be that you cannot open your MiniCAD/ Vectorworks files with other CAD software. But isn't there a way to use AutoCAD DXF files? They are a defacto-standard, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoCAD_DXF -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Freitag 09 Juli 2010N From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com XRandR looks interesting but off topic for this group, I' m on my way. I hope you find what you're looking for. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Frank J. R. Hanstick tro...@comcast.net -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
I know you've stated that G4s are the best bet for LinuxPPC, but I only have a dual G5 and an Intel iMac at my disposal. Which version of Linux best supports the G5 and the Radeon 9700/Nvidia 5200 I have at my disposal? Fedora was a waste of time - graphics glitches with both cards. I played with LinuxPPC back around 2000 or so on a Starmax 5500. It worked surprisingly well, and let me do something 8.6 didn't - boot from a slave IDE drive. Since then I've been using it mostly on PCs but would be interested in getting it on my G5, since the end of the line is in sight for OS X on PowerPC. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
Eric Volker wrote: I know you've stated that G4s are the best bet for LinuxPPC, but I only have a dual G5 and an Intel iMac at my disposal. Which version of Linux best supports the G5 and the Radeon 9700/Nvidia 5200 I have at my disposal? Fedora was a waste of time - graphics glitches with both cards. I played with LinuxPPC back around 2000 or so on a Starmax 5500. It worked surprisingly well, and let me do something 8.6 didn't - boot from a slave IDE drive. Since then I've been using it mostly on PCs but would be interested in getting it on my G5, since the end of the line is in sight for OS X on PowerPC. I once put Yellowdog on a G-3 266MHz. It looked and worked like Linux on a PC of that speed. When you have access to OS-X why in God's name would you want to put Linux on a G-5? OS-X is what happens to Linux when you pay the programmers! Since I bought my little G-4 DA I haven't touched Linux and don't intend to. Why would I? I have a beautiful, fully functional, UNIX system that will do what I want, when I want, and I don't have to finish any of the programs for my situation. Am not understanding this. Peace, Dennis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Jul 11, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Eric Volker wrote: Since then I've been using it mostly on PCs but would be interested in getting it on my G5, since the end of the line is in sight for OS X on PowerPC. I think Ubuntu is most like OS X, but it isn't officially supported for PPC. While it's not officially supported by Canonical, there are community builds for PPC that are usually up-to-date. You can boot the live CD or DVD and see if it works for you? The nVidia card should have proprietary drivers available. I'm not sure about the ATI. Here's a download link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Dienstag 06 Juli 2010N From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro-Engineer which are way out of my price range. KiCAD may be what you are looking for. It's available for Windows, Linux and, probably via Fink or MacPorts also for Mac OS X. http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/kicad/ – Authors' homepage. http://kicad.sourceforge.net/ – at SourceForge (a Wiki basically). You may find others. Most Linux distros will have some free CAD applications in their corresponding repositories. I'd look there first. Other sources include the Open Directory, like at dmoz.org: http://www.dmoz.org/Science/Technology/Electronics/CAD/Electronic_Design_Automation/PCB_Design/ Problem will probably be that you cannot open your MiniCAD/Vectorworks files with other CAD software. But isn't there a way to use AutoCAD DXF files? They are a defacto-standard, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoCAD_DXF -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Freitag 09 Juli 2010N From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com XRandR looks interesting but off topic for this group, I' m on my way. I hope you find what you're looking for. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs Date:Dienstag 06 Juli 2010N From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth What is a 64 Sawtooth? Or do you meen you've 64 (pieces of) Sawtooth_s_? I'm now using Ubuntu on an Intel, but not Apple, box with a pair of Nvidia flat screens that work like a Mac only because of proprietary drivers from Nvidia. Currently they are developing nouveau – an open source accelerated driver for nVidia cards. But it's still experimental and unstable. May eventually also run on Macs, but I haven't had any luck so far: tried to compile it on a Mac G4 –which worked– but X11 wouldn't start. But I didn't try hard. My G4 runs OS neXt with four monitors two of which are still CRTs. How can I work with lots of monitors under Linux? Xinerama is either a POS or I haven't figured it out yet. Try xrandr and a modern desktop like Gnome or KDE. They should support this out-of-the-box. Just a quick search – Google found this: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01 There are propably a dozen more possible ways to accomplish this. I use all those monitors for CAD software, Vectorworks 12.5 on my G4 and I can't afford to keep it updated but it runs on Macs and peecees but not under any kind of Linux or UNIX. If I put Linux on my G4 I doubt that I will be able to use all of the screen space. I certainly can't if I use X-11 to log in to my existing Linux box. Do I get this right: you use the Mac only as an X11 client? This CAD software is running on a different machine? If so, this *could* be more complicated, but since I've never tried this, I really don't know. Could be easy as well. Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro-Engineer which are way out of my price range. CAD and anything alike is not my kind of expertise. I only have programs for Linux which are 1) open source (to be able to run on various platfroms: x86, amd64, ppc, ppc64, armv5, …) and 2) which is –as a natural concequence– free (in the sence of not costing any money). Sorry I can't be more help. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
At 22:53 +0200 7/9/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth What is a 64 Sawtooth? Or do you meen you've 64 (pieces of) Sawtooth_s_? Thanks for sticking around. Damn. I guess I was rushing. Read that MY G4 Sawtooth And Vectorworks is native on the Mac under OS 10. It was MiniCAD under the classic OS. XRandR looks interesting but off topic for this group, I' m on my way. X11 with multiple monitors is mostly screwed up on the G4 because of negative screen coordinates that are allowed in Apple OS but not by UNIX. Things might be better is all monitors are placed to the right and below the (0,0) graphic space which starts at the upper left of the startup screen. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
At 21:54 +0200 7/5/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: And, sadly: goodbye! Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth I'm now using Ubuntu on an Intel, but not Apple, box with a pair of Nvidia flat screens that work like a Mac only because of proprietary drivers from Nvidia. My G4 runs OS neXt with four monitors two of which are still CRTs. How can I work with lots of monitors under Linux? Xinerama is either a POS or I haven't figured it out yet. I use all those monitors for CAD software, Vectorworks 12.5 on my G4 and I can't afford to keep it updated but it runs on Macs and peecees but not under any kind of Linux or UNIX. If I put Linux on my G4 I doubt that I will be able to use all of the screen space. I certainly can't if I use X-11 to log in to my existing Linux box. Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro-Engineer which are way out of my price range. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
On Jul 5, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: I use all those monitors for CAD software, Vectorworks 12.5 on my G4 and I can't afford to keep it updated but it runs on Macs and peecees but not under any kind of Linux or UNIX. If I put Linux on my G4 I doubt that I will be able to use all of the screen space. I certainly can't if I use X-11 to log in to my existing Linux box. Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro- Engineer which are way out of my price range. Not Linux, but have you looked at Cadintosh from Lemkesoft? http://www.lemkesoft.com/content/189/cadintosh.html $30 much cheaper than Vectorworks... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
