Re: MDD Boot Problem
- Original Message - From: Jörg Duurkoop yaw...@gmail.com Humm, that could be the problem. The QuickSliver monitor was attached to the VGA port. The MDD has no VGA port and that same monitor was attached to the MDD DVI port. The monitor is an old Dell with both VGA and DVI ports. You could always try a safe boot if you have an Apple monitor with an ADC connector. With a safe boot the main monitor will always be on the ADC monitor. That is if your MDD has an Apple video card ... Be warned a long reply follows: [Just to recap, a newly acquired MDD boots fine on an old test hard drive called Mac OSX but refuses to boot to a different hard drive (Drive 1) on a cloned volume a from a QuickSilver which I want to be the main volume.] I connected an ADC Apple display to to the MDD as Jörg suggested. I selected Drive 1 as the boot drive, and in safe mode the MDD booted to Mac OS X and asks for the password for the user in Drive 1, when entered it boots to Drive 1. THIS IS THE DESIRED RESULT! However, It seems odd that when Drive 1 was selected as boot drive Mac OS X comes up in single user mode and asks for the password of the user in Drive 1?? Once booted in Drive 1 in safe mode a restart results in the dreaded blue screen as reported earlier. Not the desktop blue screen just a plain light blue with no variations in blue tones or swirls as in the default desktop of 10.4.11. So now I don't think it is second monitor problem preference problem. (see earlier posts). Perhaps as suggested in an earlier post, Disk Warrior may solve the problem. I know Disk Warrior is great to have in your toolbox. But given Disk Warrior cost more than I paid for the MDD, I will likely just do an Achieve and Install of 10.4 as suggested in another post and hope that solves this weird problem. This in not a production machine so time is relative but dollars are not. :-) Next and hopefully final question before I do a reinstall -- when Drive 1 becomes the boot drive in safe mode why does a restart results in the dreaded blue screen? If I can get a boot to Drive1 what is preventing boot on a restart? Many thanks to Jörg, Peter, John Eelco for your help --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
On Mar 14, 2012, at 9:19 PM, glen wrote: Once booted in Drive 1 in safe mode a restart results in the dreaded blue screen as reported earlier. Perhaps as suggested in an earlier post, Disk Warrior may solve the problem. I know Disk Warrior is great to have in your toolbox. But given Disk Warrior cost more than I paid for the MDD, I will likely just do an Achieve and Install of 10.4 as suggested in another post and hope that solves this weird problem. This in not a production machine so time is relative but dollars are not. :-) The only reason for Disk Warrior is when Disk Utility reports problems that it can't fix. I don't think that's the issue here. Since you CAN boot in Safe Boot, the next step is to boot Safe Boot and reinstall the latest Combo Update, then restart and see if you get past the blue screen. I think the reinstall of the Combo Update will likely solve your problem. Before you reinstall the Combo Update, you might run Disk UtilityVerify Disk and if there are any problems, boot a CD/DVD and fix them (if possible) using Disk Utility on the OS X CD/ DVD. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
Hi Glen, Humm, that could be the problem. The QuickSliver monitor was attached to the VGA port. The MDD has no VGA port and that same monitor was attached to the MDD DVI port. The monitor is an old Dell with both VGA and DVI ports. Definitely something to play with after work. If that fails a reinstall of 10.4.11 as suggested may be the way to go. You could always try a safe boot if you have an Apple monitor with an ADC connector. With a safe boot the main monitor will always be on the ADC monitor. That is if your MDD has an Apple video card ... Good luck, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
Hi Glen, Humm, that could be the problem. The QuickSliver monitor was attached to the VGA port. The MDD has no VGA port and that same monitor was attached to the MDD DVI port. The monitor is an old Dell with both VGA and DVI ports. Definitely something to play with after work. If that fails a reinstall of 10.4.11 as suggested may be the way to go. You could always try a safe boot if you have an Apple monitor with an ADC connector. With a safe boot the main monitor will always be on the ADC monitor. That is if your MDD has an Apple video card ... Good luck, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
Hi Glen, Spec's: 2003 MDD dual G4 -1.25 Mhz 2 MB RAM ATI 9000 Pro Boot ROM 4.4.8f2 Sorry, just read your original post. The ATI 9000 Pro has no ADC. So the fast slot for the original video card of your MDD is empty? If I was you I would get a card for the fast slot. I had a flashed 9000 Pro in my beige G3 MT. It worked OK but was a bottleneck even in that old G3. I used it many years with Panther, thanks to XPostFacto ... Regards, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
Hi Glen, Spec's: 2003 MDD dual G4 -1.25 Mhz 2 MB RAM ATI 9000 Pro Boot ROM 4.4.8f2 Sorry, just read your original post. The ATI 9000 Pro has no ADC. So the fast slot for the original video card of your MDD is empty? If I was you I would get a card for the fast slot. I had a flashed 9000 Pro in my beige G3 MT. It worked OK but was a bottleneck even in that old G3. I used it many years with Panther, thanks to XPostFacto ... Regards, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
Glen, am I correct to assume (by all upgrades without reinstall) that a fresh installation of 10.4.11 is not an option? I'm thinking that the second CPU may cause the problem, as all previous machines (except maybe the 867) seem to be single CPU machines? It's a long shot worth investigating though; I've swapped 10.4 disks between single and dual CPU machines without problems, so you should be able to as well. Can you think of any software/extensions/utilities installed that might stop the MDD booting? Greetings, Eelco. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
On 12/03/2012 02:03, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, I sincerely appreciate the reply. Before I lay down the bucks for DW anyone else have other suggestions -glen A similar sort of thing happened to me years ago but in my case it was caused by the extended desktop prefs. My mac thought I had two monitors connected and booted to the plain blue screen of the second display - the menus etc were on an imaginary monitor off stage left. It was caused in my case by a flashed video card which had vga and dvi but no vga through the dvi port and the mac presumed the dvi to be the primary display - but I had no dvi monitor at that time so I was stuck with the vga secondary screen and what became quite a problem - how to open, grab and drag system prefs from a monitor I couldn't see to the one I could and turn on mirroring. Probably not your problem but is the MDD set to the same primary video port as the QS was? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
- Original Message - A similar sort of thing happened to me years ago but in my case it was caused by the extended desktop prefs. My mac thought I had two monitors connected and booted to the plain blue screen of the second display - the menus etc were on an imaginary monitor off stage left. It was caused in my case by a flashed video card which had vga and dvi but no vga through the dvi port and the mac presumed the dvi to be the primary display - but I had no dvi monitor at that time so I was stuck with the vga secondary screen and what became quite a problem - how to open, grab and drag system prefs from a monitor I couldn't see to the one I could and turn on mirroring. Probably not your problem but is the MDD set to the same primary video port as the QS was? Humm, that could be the problem. The QuickSliver monitor was attached to the VGA port. The MDD has no VGA port and that same monitor was attached to the MDD DVI port. The monitor is an old Dell with both VGA and DVI ports. Definitely something to play with after work. If that fails a reinstall of 10.4.11 as suggested may be the way to go. Thanks --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:34 PM, glen wrote: Spec's: 2003 MDD dual G4 -1.25 Mhz 2 MB RAM ATI 9000 Pro Boot ROM 4.4.8f2 This MDD was newly acquired without a HD. I installed a a spare Western Digital (WDC W0800BB) 80 GB drive with OS 10.4.11 for testing purposes -- no problems with that drive, it boots fine. Then added a second 250 GB Seagate (ST3250620A) freshly erased with 2 empty journaled HFS+ partitions called Drive1 (80 GB) and Drive 2 (152 GB) Using the WD 80 GB drive as the boot drive I cloned the data and system (OS 10.4.11) from a backup of a QuickSilver drive to the empty Seagate partition called Drive 1. This will become the main startup drive for the MDD if I can get it to work. Problem: The cloned QuickSilver drive will not completely boot. The grey screen with the apple logo appears, the gear like wheel rotates for 20-30 seconds and the screen goes to a blank blue screen; mouse and keyboard have no input. Why won't the MDD boot from the QuickSilver clone, or from Drive 1 or from the actual QuickSilver hard drive? Help, I'm running out of ideas --glen BTW the WD 80 GB drive that does boot OK was pulled from a Sawtooth a few months ago. The first thing is the MDD will always look to boot the drive at the end of the cable on the fastest Bus. However I'm pretty sure if you run DiskWarrior on the cloned drive it'll boot.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Boot Problem
- Original Message - From: JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:34 PM, glen wrote: Spec's: 2003 MDD dual G4 -1.25 Mhz 2 MB RAM ATI 9000 Pro Boot ROM 4.4.8f2 Problem: The cloned QuickSilver drive will not completely boot. The grey screen with the apple logo appears, the gear like wheel rotates for 20-30 seconds and the screen goes to a blank blue screen; mouse and keyboard have no input. Why won't the MDD boot from the QuickSilver clone, or from Drive 1 or from the actual QuickSilver hard drive? The first thing is the MDD will always look to boot the drive at the end of the cable on the fastest Bus. However I'm pretty sure if you run DiskWarrior on the cloned drive it'll boot.:-) I have tried putting the QuickSilver drive a the end of cable with no other drives attached to the main/fastest 100 Mhz ATA bus and the problem persisted. Unfortunately I do not have DiskWarrior. Perhaps now is the time for purchase. Depending on how picky the MDD is concerning the directory, maybe errors could explain the boot problem. However the drive works perfectly in the QuickSilver. I did run Disk Utility on the drive and the volume passed without errors but DU is no DW. More history on the Quicksilver drivein question: Originally it was installed in a G3 BW 350Mhz rev1 (OS 10.3.9) then transplanted to a 450 MHz rev2 BW and upgraded to 10.4.11 about 20 months ago. Finally installed in a G4 QuickSilver 867 MHz three months ago all upgrades had no problems. I thought OS 10.4.11 was compatible with all Mac's that supported 10.4.11 -- now I wonder?? Thanks, I sincerely appreciate the reply. Before I lay down the bucks for DW anyone else have other suggestions -glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
