subject:"Re\: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution\?"

Hey guys, I'm born again!
Yesterday night I put the adapter on a Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz (Mac Mini 2,1)
and the system doesn't recognize the sled.
I'm very sad! It doesn't work either on a Mac Mini Intel.
A few days ago I tried also with a Mac Mini G4 1,5GHz (PowerMac 10,2) and of
course nothing was good.

Any other ideas?
Thanks

Nicholas

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-23 Thread Kris Tilford


On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:


Hey guys, I'm born again!
Yesterday night I put the adapter on a Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz (Mac  
Mini 2,1) and the system doesn't recognize the sled.

I'm very sad! It doesn't work either on a Mac Mini Intel.
A few days ago I tried also with a Mac Mini G4 1,5GHz (PowerMac  
10,2) and of course nothing was good.


Sounds like it's defective. Otherwise, it should show up, no? It's  
rare, but it happens. I've got one Firewire PCI card and one USB Wifi  
dongle that are both dead and won't recognize in any PC or Mac. Any  
chance of returning it for exchange?


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-23 Thread John Martz

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yesterday night I put the adapter on a Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz (Mac Mini 2,1)
 and the system doesn't recognize the sled.
 I'm very sad! It doesn't work either on a Mac Mini Intel.
 A few days ago I tried also with a Mac Mini G4 1,5GHz (PowerMac 10,2) and of
 course nothing was good.

Correct me if I've got this wrong, but you've verified the hard drive
is OK but you've been unable to get the drive bay to work on two
different systems, yes?

It sounds to me that you were sent a defective product. Do you disagree?

-irrational john

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-23 Thread Carmonne


In a message dated 2/23/10 10:16:22 AM, zjo...@yahoo.com writes:


 On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
  Yesterday night I put the adapter on a Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz (Mac Mini 
 2,1)
  and the system doesn't recognize the sled.
  I'm very sad! It doesn't work either on a Mac Mini Intel.
  A few days ago I tried also with a Mac Mini G4 1,5GHz (PowerMac 10,2) 
 and of
  course nothing was good.
 
 Correct me if I've got this wrong, but you've verified the hard drive
 is OK but you've been unable to get the drive bay to work on two
 different systems, yes?
 
 It sounds to me that you were sent a defective product. Do you disagree?
 
 -irrational john
 
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 I'm looking forward to the reply:-) No could it be a bad Widbloze unit?


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-23 Thread John Carmonne


On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

 Hey guys, I'm born again!
 Yesterday night I put the adapter on a Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz (Mac Mini 2,1) 
 and the system doesn't recognize the sled.
 I'm very sad! It doesn't work either on a Mac Mini Intel.
 A few days ago I tried also with a Mac Mini G4 1,5GHz (PowerMac 10,2) and of 
 course nothing was good.
 
 Any other ideas?
 Thanks
 
 Nicholas
External Firewire drives are real good units and the you'll still have an 
internal optical , like the mother ship intended:-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/23 Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net

 Any chance of returning it for exchange?


The seller said me that he is going to ship me another box. Actually, I
think that the circuit board is not compatible with Mac. It had happened me
many times with superdrives and RAMs

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/23 John Martz zjo...@yahoo.com

 Correct me if I've got this wrong, but you've verified the hard drive
 is OK but you've been unable to get the drive bay to work on two
 different systems, yes?

 It sounds to me that you were sent a defective product. Do you disagree?


The hard drive is OK, and I'm not completely sure about the functionality of
the adapter. I'll be sure when I can see it on work :)

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-23 Thread Bruce Johnson



On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:



The seller said me that he is going to ship me another box.  
Actually, I

think that the circuit board is not compatible with Mac.




Nope this is a standard interface, not a specialized Mac one.
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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/23 carmo...@aol.com


  It sounds to me that you were sent a defective product. Do you disagree?

 -irrational john

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 I'm looking forward to the reply:-) No could it be a bad Widbloze unit?



I've replied now..
I'm sorry but I don't know the meaning of Widbloze, could you explain me,
please?

Thanks

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/23 Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu

 Nope this is a standard interface, not a specialized Mac one.


In that case probably it's broken.

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-23 Thread JOHN CARMONNE



On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:


2010/2/23 carmo...@aol.com

It sounds to me that you were sent a defective product. Do you  
disagree?


-irrational john

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unit?




I've replied now..
I'm sorry but I don't know the meaning of Widbloze, could you  
explain me, please?





I miss spelled Windbloze, a nick name for Windows, because I read a  
post that stated the unit you have is meant for a Dell. I just got  
burned on a wireless Cardbus card for one of my Wally's that was  
meant for Windbloze but the guy said works on Macs.


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/12 Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com

 That's a desktop drive. Plenty of 500GB PATA drives exist for desktops,
 just not laptops/the mini.

 Yes, you are right, I've only seen the picture, and I suppose it is a
2,5''...so 500GB IDE 2,5'' drive still doesn't exist

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/12 Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com



 The adapter electronics are platform agnostic. The physical adapter is
 claimed to be designed to fit the dell systems listed.

 Looking at the item, it APPEARS to be in the standard laptop CD/DVD form
 factor and would probably fit in replacement of any laptop form factor
 cd/dvd drive.

 This looks like it would be PHYSICALLY a very easy swap into a mini to
 replace the optical drive with a second HD. The heat issue is another story.

 Len


The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works with a C2D
Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the G4 system.
Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread iJohn

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:

 The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works with a C2D
 Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the G4 system.

OK, saying the item works perfectly with a C2D Mac Mini strikes me
as not very pertinent at this point. It's not where I would start
trying to figure this out.

It may well be that the design works but you have a bay and/or hard
drive that is defective.

Maybe you've already answered this and I just missed it, but I think
the first question to answer is does this bay and/or drive work in ANY
context. You can worry about whether or not the bay/drive combo works
in your G4 Mini after you have verified the parts themselves are not
just broken.

That's why I suggested trying them in another system or with an
external drive enclosure. First rule of problem isolation is to make
sure the source of the failure is not the component itself.

Once you know that the drive bay and your drive both work, then you
can go back and work on narrowing down in what context it does not
appear to work.

 Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.

Huh? What other adapter?

-irrational john

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread John Carmonne


On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:15 AM, iJohn wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works with a C2D
 Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the G4 system.
 
 OK, saying the item works perfectly with a C2D Mac Mini strikes me
 as not very pertinent at this point. It's not where I would start
 trying to figure this out.
 
 It may well be that the design works but you have a bay and/or hard
 drive that is defective.
 
 Maybe you've already answered this and I just missed it, but I think
 the first question to answer is does this bay and/or drive work in ANY
 context. You can worry about whether or not the bay/drive combo works
 in your G4 Mini after you have verified the parts themselves are not
 just broken.
 
 That's why I suggested trying them in another system or with an
 external drive enclosure. First rule of problem isolation is to make
 sure the source of the failure is not the component itself.
 
 Once you know that the drive bay and your drive both work, then you
 can go back and work on narrowing down in what context it does not
 appear to work.
 
 Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.
 
 Huh? What other adapter?
 
 -irrational john
 


Use a CoolMax USB adapter to check the drive in the Dell device before 
installation, Very easy to check externally on your MBP. Also you can 
initialize at the same time.

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/13 iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com


 It may well be that the design works but you have a bay and/or hard
 drive that is defective.


Next week I'm going to try the adaper in a friend's Mac Mini C2D 1,83GHz.
After this proof I'll be sure that the box works.
The WD Scorpio works because I put it in a USB 2,5'' box and I initialized
it with my MacBook Pro.

Huh? What other adapter?


That's I really don't know. Because he didn't specify its characteristics. I
think it might be an analogous adapter but for another brand.

Thanks so much

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread Kasey Smith



On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works  
with a C2D Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the  
G4 system.

Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.


Doesn't the C2D Mini already have SATA?

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread Chance Reecher


Not for the optical drive, no.

Kasey Smith wrote:


On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works with 
a C2D Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the G4 system.

Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.


Doesn't the C2D Mini already have SATA?



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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread John Carmonne


On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Chance Reecher wrote:

 Not for the optical drive, no.
 
 Kasey Smith wrote:
 
 On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:
 
 The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works with a C2D 
 Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the G4 system.
 Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.
 
 Doesn't the C2D Mini already have SATA?
 
 
This is going to be interesting. Now I know what's happening. I hope the mail 
is fast!
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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/13 Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com


 On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

  The chinese seller guaranteed me that this item perfectly works with a C2D
 Mac Mini 1.83GHz..so I think that the problem is of the G4 system.
 Now I'm waiting for other adapter that he's going to ship to me.


 Doesn't the C2D Mini already have SATA?


Mac Mini G4 has IDE hard drive and EIDE/PATA optical drive
from Mac Mini Core Solo to Mac Mini Mid 2007 it has SATA hard drive but
EIDE/PATA optical drive
The most powerful Mini early and late 2009 has both SATA for hard drive and
optical drive...I want it :)

Nicholas

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/13 John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com

 This is going to be interesting. Now I know what's happening. I hope the
 mail is fast!


Fast? I wish! Delivery time from China to Italy is about 30days, and
strongly depends on customs people.. :(

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread Kris Tilford


On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Chance Reecher wrote:


Doesn't the C2D Mini already have SATA?




Not for the optical drive, no.


I don't know about Macs, but I tried using a PATA HD on an optical  
PATA bus in a PC and was unpleasantly surprised to find no LBA48  
support so it was limited to 128 GB HDs. This was on a relatively new  
motherboard made in 2008. I don't think anyone expects an optical PATA  
bus to be used as a HD bus so it's likely it may be limited to 128GB  
max.


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-13 Thread iJohn

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 I don't know about Macs, but I tried using a PATA HD on an optical PATA bus
 in a PC and was unpleasantly surprised to find no LBA48 support so it was
 limited to 128 GB HDs. This was on a relatively new motherboard made in
 2008. I don't think anyone expects an optical PATA bus to be used as a HD
 bus so it's likely it may be limited to 128GB max.

I cannot think of any reason any motherboard manufacturer would do
that. LBA48 support is just part of any reasonably priced chipset they
would buy to implement the PATA support.

For example, the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 I got in 2007 uses a JMicron
chipset to support 2 sata ports and a PATA connector which supports 2
PATA devices. The same chipset controls both. If they stripped out
LBA48 for the PATA they'd also be doing it for the SATA. It would not
save them any money. It would actually cost them money to do this
because essentially be special ordering a setup like that.

Could you provide details on this PC such as manufacturer and model number?

-irrational john

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Kris Tilford


On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

I have Mac Mini G4 (see object) 1,25 GHz 1GB RAM, and I'm booting  
Leopard 10.5.8


I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my  
experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz  
to 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely  
overclock, and the modification is relatively easy. Second, I think  
that Tiger 10.4.11 is the optimal OS for the G4 Mini. You can run  
Leopard 10.5.8, but it will be about 15-20% slower than Tiger 10.4.11.  
This is true for all PPC Macs; whereas the reverse is true for Intel  
Macs, they're faster with Leopard.


I have had an internal IDE drive from WD, it's a Scorpio Blue IDE  
250GB.


Great. Nice drive. I assume you're booting from this HD?


So I think is useless partition the 500GB to 180GB.


Yes, this is useless. Don't do this.

Secondly, I've tried with a 80GB SATA and the system boots, even  
though I can't see any second drive with disk utility and system  
profiler.


I STILL don't understand? WHERE is the SATA drive? Are we talking  
about an external Firewire or USB SATA drive enclosure? If the SATA HD  
is in a USB enclosure this is NOT bootable in the G4 Mini, you need an  
Intel Mini to be able to boot USB. Otherwise, you can't use ANY SATA  
HD internally in the G4 Mini unless you have some sort of adapter. Are  
you using some sort of internal SATA-to-PATA/IDE adapter?


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/12 Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net


 I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my
 experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz to
 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely overclock, and
 the modification is relatively easy


I don't think the overclock is so easy..probably I should search of an
expert solder man :D


 . Second, I think that Tiger 10.4.11 is the optimal OS for the G4 Mini. You
 can run Leopard 10.5.8, but it will be about 15-20% slower than Tiger
 10.4.11. This is true for all PPC Macs; whereas the reverse is true for
 Intel Macs, they're faster with Leopard.


I had kept Tiger even after Leopard, but I had had some problems with Remote
control from my Leopard  Snow Leopard MacBook Pro. So I put Leopard in it,
and I had no problems.
If you give me any config suggestions I'm happy to reinstall Tiger.


 Great. Nice drive. I assume you're booting from this HD?


Yes, I'm booting from it.


 I STILL don't understand? WHERE is the SATA drive? Are we talking about an
 external Firewire or USB SATA drive enclosure? If the SATA HD is in a USB
 enclosure this is NOT bootable in the G4 Mini, you need an Intel Mini to be
 able to boot USB. Otherwise, you can't use ANY SATA HD internally in the G4
 Mini unless you have some sort of adapter. Are you using some sort of
 internal SATA-to-PATA/IDE adapter?


Sorry, my english is terrible. I put a PATA to SATA adapter in place of the
superdrive. I know that I can't boot from USB but only from FireWire. It's a
chinese made adapter MCE Optibay like, I've found it on eBay.

Any other questions? :)

Nicholas

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Linnett

If the SATA HD is in a USB enclosure this is NOT bootable in the G4  
Mini, you need an Intel Mini to be able to boot USB.


Just to point out, for the sake of completeness, that quite a few  
PowerPC macs CAN boot from USB, but it's apparently a bit hit and  
miss, and slow. Especially over USB 1.1 on the G3 and G4 systems.  
Can't/too lazy to post links from my phone but a google of boot  
PowerPC mac from USB returns a few likely candidates.
FireWire is a much better bet though, but it could be useful in an  
emergency or something


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Kris Tilford

On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon
my experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the
1.25 GHz to 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't
safely overclock, and the modification is relatively easy

I don't think the overclock is so easy..probably I should search of
an expert solder man :D

You don't need to solder. You can use a pen that uses conductive ink
to draw the jumper contacts. Also, there is the same stuff for
repairing the rear window defrost traces in cars, a type of conductive
paint. You can cut off any resistor that needs to be removed with a
tiny sharp edge, or a tiny screwdriver. Then draw on any resistor
with the conductive pen. No solder, no heat. The 1.25 to 1.42 is a
little harder than the 1.42 to 1.58.

Sorry, my english is terrible. I put a PATA to SATA adapter in place
of the superdrive. I know that I can't boot from USB but only from
FireWire. It's a chinese made adapter MCE Optibay like, I've found
it on eBay.

I'm not familiar with this product. I looked on the website http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/index.html
and the information there is contradictory. It appears there must
be multiple versions? The photo on the right clearly shows a PATA/IDE
HD with SATA connectors on the bay, so it's the reverse of what you
say you have. There's not much information, and not any information
about multiple models, so this isn't clear. If you say an 80 GB SATA
HD is recognized, and a 500 GB isn't, that's a big problem. Sometimes
if the HD is new, it needs to be reformatted into Apple format, but
this seems unlikely to be the problem, and if the HD is SATA I don't
know how you'd reformat it if it's not recognized in System Profiler
or Disk Utility. Sometimes adapters have firmware updates that correct
issues, so you might check for that, but I saw no support pages on the
MCE website, so it appears unlikely. Perhaps the 500 GB SATA HD is bad?

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread John Carmonne


On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

 On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:
 
 I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my 
 experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz to 
 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely overclock, 
 and the modification is relatively easy
 
 I don't think the overclock is so easy..probably I should search of an 
 expert solder man :D
 
 You don't need to solder. You can use a pen that uses conductive ink to 
 draw the jumper contacts. Also, there is the same stuff for repairing the 
 rear window defrost traces in cars, a type of conductive paint. You can cut 
 off any resistor that needs to be removed with a tiny sharp edge, or a tiny 
 screwdriver. Then draw on any resistor with the conductive pen. No solder, 
 no heat. The 1.25 to 1.42 is a little harder than the 1.42 to 1.58.
 
 Sorry, my english is terrible. I put a PATA to SATA adapter in place of the 
 superdrive. I know that I can't boot from USB but only from FireWire. It's a 
 chinese made adapter MCE Optibay like, I've found it on eBay.
 
 I'm not familiar with this product. I looked on the website 
 http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/index.html and the information there is 
 contradictory. It appears there must be multiple versions? The photo on the 
 right clearly shows a PATA/IDE HD with SATA connectors on the bay, so it's 
 the reverse of what you say you have. There's not much information, and not 
 any information about multiple models, so this isn't clear. If you say an 80 
 GB SATA HD is recognized, and a 500 GB isn't, that's a big problem. Sometimes 
 if the HD is new, it needs to be reformatted into Apple format, but this 
 seems unlikely to be the problem, and if the HD is SATA I don't know how 
 you'd reformat it if it's not recognized in System Profiler or Disk Utility. 
 Sometimes adapters have firmware updates that correct issues, so you might 
 check for that, but I saw no support pages on the MCE website, so it appears 
 unlikely. Perhaps the 500 GB SATA HD is bad?
 
 
Is your 500 GB a WD PATA drive?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA



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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/12 John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com


 Is your 500 GB a WD PATA drive?


Did you read the previous mails?
First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a
500GB SATA drive.

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread pdimage

On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you read the previous mails?
 First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB
 SATA drive.

Doesn't exist? What's this then?

 http://tiny.cc/CjJMm

Pete


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Carmonne


In a message dated 2/12/10 9:54:03 AM, pdim...@btinternet.com writes:


 On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Did you read the previous mails?
  First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 
 500GB
  SATA drive.
 
     Doesn't exist? What's this then?
 
      http://tiny.cc/CjJMm
 
 Pete
 
Nicholas 

I Have a 500GB WD PATA hard drive in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25 Power Mac Along 
with 2 Seagate 250 GB PAPTA. I would have to buy a card to put SATA drives in 
the machine.

I think if you have 2 HDDs in that machine the PATA should be jumpered to 
cable select. If you connect the 500 via Firewire does the machine see it?

John Carrmonne
Yorba Linda
USA

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Kasey Smith

We are talking laptop-style hard drives, not desktop ones. Also, i  
don't think a PCI card will work in a mini ;)

On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:08 AM, carmo...@aol.com wrote:



In a message dated 2/12/10 9:54:03 AM, pdim...@btinternet.com writes:



On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you read the previous mails?
 First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly  
I have a 500GB

 SATA drive.

Doesn't exist? What's this then?

 http://tiny.cc/CjJMm

Pete


Nicholas

I Have a 500GB WD PATA hard drive in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25 Power Mac  
Along with 2 Seagate 250 GB PAPTA. I would have to buy a card to  
put SATA drives in the machine.


I think if you have 2 HDDs in that machine the PATA should be  
jumpered to cable select. If you connect the 500 via Firewire does  
the machine see it?


John Carrmonne
Yorba Linda
USA


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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread iJohn

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 Sometimes adapters have firmware updates that correct issues, so
 you might check for that, but I saw no support pages on the MCE website, so
 it appears unlikely.

SATA-PATA adapters don't (in my experience) have firmware updates. I
believe this is the case because these devices are just simple
interface bridges. I believe that all a SATA-PATA adapter does is
convert the commands/data transmitted between the serial bus and the
parallel one.

My understanding is that both SATA  PATA hard drives are still both
ATA drives. That is, the commands sent to the hard drive are the same
whether it is a SATA or a PATA drive.

(OK, a little inaccurate because I'm sure the ATA commands used with
PATA are now just a subset of those supported for SATA drives. My
point is just that a SATA drive should recognize all the ATA commands
a PATA drive would. That's why this little gizmo's work.)

I tried to come up with an analogy but unfortunately I do not have a
good one. All that came to mind was the difference between wired and
wireless ethernet. Two different mediums for moving data and commands,
but the underlying commands and (especially) data are the same.
(They're both just ethernet when viewed from the top of the protocol
stack down, no?)

BTW, FWIW I found this ancient PDF circa 2005 on the Addonics web
site. I don't know if there's anything of interest in it, but it
seemed of possible interest.
Easily Convert SATA Hard Drives to IDE
http://www.addonics.com/news/media/2005/SATA-IDE.pdf

Apparently some folks even went so far as to take a G4 Mini and mount
it inside a larger (Centris ??) case just so they could use a 3.5
drive and/or a full sized 5.25 optical drive. Needless to say some
folks out there were shocked, outraged, and appalled by this
sacrilegious act. (What's the emoticon for shrugging one's shoulders
in apathy?)

 Perhaps the 500 GB SATA HD is bad?

Yes. If possible I would try the drive in another system. This may not
be easy to do though given that a 2.5 IDE connector is required to
connect your 2.5 SATA drive bay, correct? You might want to start by
just connecting the drive to a SATA system if you have one. Another
alternative would be to try it in an external USB attached SATA drive
enclosure. (SATA connectors are the same for both 2.5 and 3.5 drives
so if you have a external drive enclosure for 3.5 drives you should
be able to test the 2.5 drive in it).

Frankly at this point I'm having a hard time keeping track of which
drives you have and whether or not they worked and what the context
was. This is was I think you have said. Please correct if I've got it
wrong.

500 GB 2.5 SATA WD Scorpio via SATA-PATA optical drive replacement
bay. Not recognized by Mac Mini.

80 GB (2.5 ???) Hitachi. I think you said this drive was both
recognized and can be used to boot Mac Mini, yes? (Was it used in the
SATA-PATA optical bay when this was done?)

250 GB (2.5 ???) PATA WD Scorpio Blue. Was also able to boot Mac Mini
from this drive, correct?

-irrational john

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread iJohn

Another question for the OP. I also found this thread on another
board? It sounds like you may have started it.
http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183287

The reason I ask is because that thread contains the following in one
of the posts:

 This is the item that I've bought.
 http://tinyurl.com/y9gas3m

I was wondering whether or not this was the device you are are talking
about here.

-irrational john

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread iJohn

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM,  carmo...@aol.com wrote:

 Wow now I'm more confused than I started out. It looks like the adapter is a
 WinBloze item.

At the electronics interface level of PATA  SATA, there really aren't
Windows versus Mac items. (Well, the further back you go in time,
the less sure I would be about that. But I certainly think it's true
for drives or systems made within the last few years.)

But I also would be surprised if the form factor for this item would
allow it to physically fit into a G4 Mac Mini. Then again, WTHDIK? But
that's why I decided to ask.

I'm not even sure that post I'm referencing came from the OP. It is in
a different thread on another board. Figured it couldn't hurt to ask
though. I'm still not really sure what's what so far.

-irrational john

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Len Gerstel



On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:14 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote:



In a message dated 2/12/10 10:56:53 AM, zjboyguard- 
ggro...@yahoo.com writes:




Another question for the OP. I also found this thread on another
board? It sounds like you may have started it.
http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183287

The reason I ask is because that thread contains the following in one
of the posts:

 This is the item that I've bought.
 http://tinyurl.com/y9gas3m

I was wondering whether or not this was the device you are are  
talking

about here.

-irrational john

Wow now I'm more confused than I started out. It looks like the  
adapter is a WinBloze item.


John Carmonne


The adapter electronics are platform agnostic. The physical adapter  
is claimed to be designed to fit the dell systems listed.


Looking at the item, it APPEARS to be in the standard laptop CD/DVD  
form factor and would probably fit in replacement of any laptop form  
factor cd/dvd drive.


This looks like it would be PHYSICALLY a very easy swap into a mini  
to replace the optical drive with a second HD. The heat issue is  
another story.


Len

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010-02-12 Thread Carmonne


In a message dated 2/12/10 11:36:44 AM, zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com 
writes:


 On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM,  carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 
  Wow now I'm more confused than I started out. It looks like the adapter 
 is a
  WinBloze item.
 
 At the electronics interface level of PATA  SATA, there really aren't
 Windows versus Mac items. (Well, the further back you go in time,
 the less sure I would be about that. But I certainly think it's true
 for drives or systems made within the last few years.)
 
 But I also would be surprised if the form factor for this item would
 allow it to physically fit into a G4 Mac Mini. Then again, WTHDIK? But
 that's why I decided to ask.
 
 I'm not even sure that post I'm referencing came from the OP. It is in
 a different thread on another board. Figured it couldn't hurt to ask
 though. I'm still not really sure what's what so far.
 
 -irrational john
 
 --
 I'm currently trolling for a Super drive for a TiBook 500 to replace a 
knocking one I have in it now, I was told by Bob at Operator headgap that a lot 
of PC SuperDrives drives will work in the Mac and are cheaper, but he did 
stress that not all will work. So I assume maybe the adapter will not even 
though some PC items will ineterchange. If it were me I think I'd settle for a 
500 GB FW external. however that adapter would be kinda cool to mess with. 
If it weren't for the SATA to PATA issue :-)

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA 

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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

2010/2/12 pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com

 On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote:

  Did you read the previous mails?
  First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a
 500GB
  SATA drive.

 Doesn't exist? What's this then?

 http://tiny.cc/CjJMm


Wow! It's a great news for me. I can sell my 250GB WD Scorpio and I'll buy
it!! :D

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