Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On 3/5/10 9:56 PM, Peter Kim wrote: I remember trying to get 1.5 Mb/s DSL 7 years ago, through SBC, now ATT, in suburban Chicago. I found out that I was too far away from the new optical fiber install, and had to settle for 768/256Kbs- the houses across the street could get up to 3 Mb/s. Ugh, I can't believe we're still talking about the same issues in this country- 7 years later. I was eventually able to get a 3 Mb/s line, now considered the middle package- but please, with optical fiber that's theoretically equivalent to child's play. Clear and Sprint WiMax look pretty good at this point. My DSL was supposed to be good for 1.5 MBps / 256 KBps IIRC. I was only getting maybe half that. I'm out on the edge of coverage but not far enough out to be near a B-Box. When I was having trouble with the service the tech said with the line I had I couldn't get any faster service. So I signed up with Cable. I had held off going that route because I don't like the cable company, but... I kind of wish I'd signed up a little sooner, all those linux distro downloads would have been much faster. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Clark Martin wrote: On 3/5/10 9:56 PM, Peter Kim wrote: I remember trying to get 1.5 Mb/s DSL 7 years ago, through SBC, now ATT, in suburban Chicago. I found out that I was too far away from the new optical fiber install, and had to settle for 768/256Kbs- the houses across the street could get up to 3 Mb/s. Ugh, I can't believe we're still talking about the same issues in this country- 7 years later. I was eventually able to get a 3 Mb/s line, now considered the middle package- but please, with optical fiber that's theoretically equivalent to child's play. Clear and Sprint WiMax look pretty good at this point. My DSL was supposed to be good for 1.5 MBps / 256 KBps IIRC. I was only getting maybe half that. I'm out on the edge of coverage but not far enough out to be near a B-Box. When I was having trouble with the service the tech said with the line I had I couldn't get any faster service. So I signed up with Cable. I had held off going that route because I don't like the cable company, but... I kind of wish I'd signed up a little sooner, all those linux distro downloads would have been much faster. I have DSL at my shop and cable at home and cable rules hands down.The only trouble in my area is Time warner is the only one so they charge what they think they can get. We need competition in this OC market. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
In a message dated 3/5/10 7:22:17 AM, dantear...@gmail.com writes: At 2:23 PM -0800 3/4/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to keep the licensee's pockets heavier. Nothing to do with the FCC. This is because the older copper and coax based technologies are asymmetrical -- higher bandwidth in one direction and much lower in the other. This has traditionally been ok for residential service because, until p2p and such, most customers didn't need to upload much data. eg: V.90 dialup, ADSL, DOCSIS 1 2 (coax). The ISPs reserved symmetrical services, which cost *much* more to maintain, for their business-grade customers. eg: SDSL. Newer technologies are changing all this. FTTH (Fiber to the Home) is a symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the repeaters, routers, and backhaul. And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher upstream, so it can be configured to seem symmetrical. Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant dose of consumer and political stupidity. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- My condo complex has fiber but maybe Time Warner is holding out? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
At 12:14 PM -0500 3/5/2010, carmo...@aol.com wrote: Newer technologies are changing all this. FTTH (Fiber to the Home) is a symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the repeaters, routers, and backhaul. And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher upstream, so it can be configured to seem symmetrical. Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant dose of consumer and political stupidity. My condo complex has fiber but maybe Time Warner is holding out? Multi-dwelling units are a whole other ball of wax; a magnitude beyond political stupidity. Landlords like to extort service providers, make them pay for access, er a give kickbacks, etc. It ain't pretty, and all it does is cost the consumers more and more. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On 3/5/2010 10:31 AM, Dan wrote: Multi-dwelling units are a whole other ball of wax; a magnitude beyond political stupidity. Landlords like to extort service providers, make them pay for access, er a give kickbacks, etc. It ain't pretty, and all it does is cost the consumers more and more. And all this brings us to a point I made earlier: that technological shifts, particularly with the internet, are limited severely in the US compared to other countries where access to the internet are superior to the services customers are made to pay in the US. Most people in Japan, for example, would think it insane that people are still paying for dial-up, in 2010, in the US. What are we thinking? In 2006 a friend from the UK told me that he came to California and was shocked with the limited options available for his 3G wireless phone. Stifling progress to satisfy greed is indeed ghastly. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
I have not priced Ethernet routers recently, but I paid a similar amount for my Asante many years ago and still use it. I've seen many of my friends' cheap Linksys routers get trashed since, so you get what you pay for. If you're concerned about speed, run the ethernet cable, or get a wireless bridge, like those used by console gamers. An Airport Express would work, but some older routers can be setup as bridges. A used one should be cheap. On Mar 2, 2010 7:40 AM, icanswing icansw...@aol.com wrote: Hi list, I have a new imac. Now I want to set up my G4 in another room. My G4 doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an airport. I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router. Does this sound correct? The router is about $50.00. Everything is so expensive Thanks Paula -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
At 10:57 AM -0700 3/5/2010, nestamicky wrote: Most people in Japan, for example, would think it insane that people are still paying for dial-up, in 2010, in the US. What are we thinking? We happen to give corporate profits higher moral/ethical value than any sort of consumer or national interests. Stifling progress to satisfy greed is indeed ghastly. *shrug* - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:57 AM -0700 3/5/2010, nestamicky wrote: Most people in Japan, for example, would think it insane that people are still paying for dial-up, in 2010, in the US. What are we thinking? We happen to give corporate profits higher moral/ethical value than any sort of consumer or national interests. Here, let me fix it for yah: We happen to give *some* corporate profits higher moral/ethical value than any sort of consumer or national interests. I'm sure there's a lot of companies out there who would prosper from better, faster and more widespread true high-speed internet out there. Why they don't use their own lobbying clout to fight this, I don't know. Look how the ISPs went ballistic over cities threatening to set up their own WiFi broadband...they spent millions buying state legislatures to ban the practice. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On 3/5/2010 12:47 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Look how the ISPs went ballistic over cities threatening to set up their own WiFi broadband...they spent millions buying state legislatures to ban the practice. And that is perhaps a great example of how amassing personal/business profit is retarding technological progress in the U.S. Think, for a moment, what it would have meant for other industries if cities had been able to set up their own WiFi broadband. Think, for a second, what technological development that could have come from that. Think, for a mega second, what that would have meant for the ordinary folks who don't have the wherewithal, courage or money to fight the greedy bast* who're draining their pockets from hard earned cash while providing them inferior products and services. And finally, think, or imagine, for a brief moment that where it not for the ghastly business of greed, spiced with political insanity and impotency, those living in the boondocks themselves may now enjoying the virtues of the internet which ever way they see fit, unencumbered by such absurd explanations offered by ISPs: sorry, we can't get you on our network because our closest box is too far from your house. Or, you have way too many trees around your house, our signal can't reach your house. This nonsense, in America, in 2010...WTF? You know what, let me just quit talking about this now. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:21 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: This nonsense, in America, in 2010...WTF? Yeah well, America is no longer the land of the free and prosperous--it's corporate America. Corporations drive America's innovations, it's for this same reason that we're never going to see health care reform in America while other nations will. Ultimately I think this will be our downfall, corporations will hinder our ability to innovate so much in the future that in comparison to the innovations occurring in other nations we will eventually fall into 3rd world status. It's a very sad state of affairs, but I just don't see any easy way to resolve this issue...such is life. -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
Our Internet here in rural Idaho is symmetrical. Its our local ISP's wireless service, the DSL here is asymmetrical though, but that doesn't matter as we cant get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:22:11 -0600, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 2:23 PM -0800 3/4/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to keep the licensee's pockets heavier. Nothing to do with the FCC. This is because the older copper and coax based technologies are asymmetrical -- higher bandwidth in one direction and much lower in the other. This has traditionally been ok for residential service because, until p2p and such, most customers didn't need to upload much data. eg: V.90 dialup, ADSL, DOCSIS 1 2 (coax). The ISPs reserved symmetrical services, which cost *much* more to maintain, for their business-grade customers. eg: SDSL. Newer technologies are changing all this. FTTH (Fiber to the Home) is a symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the repeaters, routers, and backhaul. And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher upstream, so it can be configured to seem symmetrical. Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant dose of consumer and political stupidity. - Dan. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are supposed to share their lines with other carriers ISPs. A friend in Portland, Oregon was a lifelong AOL user, and wanted to get AOL DSL. He called AOL, and was told it wasn't available in his area, he was too far from the junction. I think his phone company was Quest or something, but he called them directly and asked if he could get their Quest DSL and they said sure, no problem. He caused a minor stink because of this, but eventually was able to get his AOL DSL setup and it worked perfectly. You may have the same scenario with the people 1/4 mile away that are getting DSL and you can't? It may be your choice of ISPs, and the phone company acts as a gatekeeper and closes the gate for anyone except themselves. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
Well, im glad i dont have DSL anyway, my download is only half as fast as DSL (it has 768, i have 512k) but my upload is twice as fast (256k vs 512k) so I'm happy :D On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:12:33 -0600, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are supposed to share their lines with other carriers ISPs. A friend in Portland, Oregon was a lifelong AOL user, and wanted to get AOL DSL. He called AOL, and was told it wasn't available in his area, he was too far from the junction. I think his phone company was Quest or something, but he called them directly and asked if he could get their Quest DSL and they said sure, no problem. He caused a minor stink because of this, but eventually was able to get his AOL DSL setup and it worked perfectly. You may have the same scenario with the people 1/4 mile away that are getting DSL and you can't? It may be your choice of ISPs, and the phone company acts as a gatekeeper and closes the gate for anyone except themselves. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On 3/5/10 5:12 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are supposed to share their lines with other carriers ISPs. A friend in Portland, Oregon was a lifelong AOL user, and wanted to get AOL DSL. He called AOL, and was told it wasn't available in his area, he was too far from the junction. I think his phone company was Quest or something, but he called them directly and asked if he could get their Quest DSL and they said sure, no problem. He caused a minor stink because of this, but eventually was able to get his AOL DSL setup and it worked perfectly. You may have the same scenario with the people 1/4 mile away that are getting DSL and you can't? It may be your choice of ISPs, and the phone company acts as a gatekeeper and closes the gate for anyone except themselves. It can also vary widely depending on just how the copper is routed. The people 1/4 mile away may have a straight shot to the central office. Your copper MIGHT be going away from the CO to get to a junction box before it starts heading to the CO. When I first had DSL installed the phone company had to make several service calls to get it done, each time kicking up to the next tier of service people. At the time they were so busy the local company (PacBell, SBC, whoever they were at the time) was bringing in crews from around the country to do the work. They were having trouble finding a pair to run from the local box to my service entrance. I already had a second phone line that was going to carry the DSL service. But what was working well enough for voice and modem didn't seem to be cutting it for DSL. It turned out the pair was somehow wired via one wire each of two pairs. The local service guy didn't think much of the work by the out of town guys. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. They can also say you're eligible when you're not--like ATT did for my family. -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length quality of the copper line. Different DSLs work over different line lengths. Plus, as Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct route to the nearest DSLAM or CO. Then there's the quality of the line: if your line is old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not even come close to supporting decent speeds. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are supposed to share their lines with other carriers ISPs. Except that the courts have been gutting the line sharing regulation. It will be interesting to see if the upcoming national broadband policy includes it. Then we'll have to see how things work out between Congress and the Courts, as the FCC's jurisdiction over the whole mess is questioned. My take: We'll screw this up by taking the low road that ensures the highest profit for the big telcos, and then we'll spend a few million bucks on a PR campaign to make us feel good about it. We are number 17! hoowa! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:54:18 -0600, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length quality of the copper line. Different DSLs work over different line lengths. Plus, as Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct route to the nearest DSLAM or CO. Then there's the quality of the line: if your line is old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not even come close to supporting decent speeds. The old lines thing might be our problem too, the house is nearly 100 years old. Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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I remember trying to get 1.5 Mb/s DSL 7 years ago, through SBC, now ATT, in suburban Chicago. I found out that I was too far away from the new optical fiber install, and had to settle for 768/256Kbs- the houses across the street could get up to 3 Mb/s. Ugh, I can't believe we're still talking about the same issues in this country- 7 years later. I was eventually able to get a 3 Mb/s line, now considered the middle package- but please, with optical fiber that's theoretically equivalent to child's play. Clear and Sprint WiMax look pretty good at this point. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:54:18 -0600, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile away can. The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you may be eligible. The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length quality of the copper line. Different DSLs work over different line lengths. Plus, as Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct route to the nearest DSLAM or CO. Then there's the quality of the line: if your line is old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not even come close to supporting decent speeds. The old lines thing might be our problem too, the house is nearly 100 years old. Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 2, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:49 AM, John Carmonne wrote: The router is OK, however I would use a USB wireless n dongle. The AirPort b card is real slow unless all you want is e-mail and surf the net, downloads are just a little quicker than dialup. You're joking, right? 802.11b is 11Mb/s. It's shared across all devices on a single WAP, but still for most people you'll get that kinds of speed most of the time, unless you're stepped down because of signal issues (which will step down 802.11g just as much) The VAST MAJORITY of broadband access in this country is about 7 MB/s. In most of the country Broadband tops out at 12 mbps. So no. Airport B is NOT real slow, it's faster than the vast majority of American's internet connections. UpDate This is what I found and why I stated that the AirPort and AirMac b cards are slower. Also all these machines are in the same 700 SFT condo, no pipes or such. However I should've also stated that I choose the Gigabit wireless more for file transfer than browsers. Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to keep the licensee's pockets heavier. Time Warner cable TurboTalladega Fastfor the car analogies . Notice the USB 1.1 speeds with the nDongle compared to the USB 2.0 port. Very interesting, here is a run down of what I found using Speakeasy. The USB dongle is a hot item very easy to use, all you need is one in your pocket. NetGear RangeMaxWNR854T Ethernet 1000 wireless 802.11n/g no bCable modem Time Warner RoadRunner Talladega Fast TiBook 500 802.11g Sonnet DN=13682 UP=1823 USBn dongle in USB 1.1 port DN= 3666 UP= 1810 G4 CUBE 500 USBn dongle in USB 1.1 port DN= 3666 UP= 1810AirMac DN=5060Up=1707 MBP 2.4 ETH1000 DN=24908 UP=1892 AirPortExtreme n DN= 24282 UP= 1902 PM G5 2.7 dual Eth 1000 DN=29278UP=1872 USBn dongle in USB 2.0 port DN= 31169 UP= 1900 G4 MDD 1.0 dual Eth 1000DN=29278UP=1872 USBn dongle in USB 2.0 port DN= 31107 UP= 1881 G3 iMac 700l Eth 100 DN=10044UP=11841 USBn dongle in USB 1.1 port DN=3 774 UP= 1797 AirPort DN=3639 UP=1576 John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On 3/4/10 2:23 PM, John Carmonne wrote: UpDate This is what I found and why I stated that the AirPort and AirMac b cards are slower. Also all these machines are in the same 700 SFT condo, no pipes or such. However I should've also stated that I choose the Gigabit wireless more for file transfer than browsers. Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to keep the licensee's pockets heavier. Upload is usually slower because people want (or are perceived to want) far more download capacity than upload. Early DSL was SDSL or Symmetric DSL, Upload speed equals download speed. Time Warner cable TurboTalladega Fastfor the car analogies . Notice the USB 1.1 speeds with the nDongle compared to the USB 2.0 port. Very interesting, here is a run down of what I found using Speakeasy. The USB dongle is a hot item very easy to use, all you need is one in your pocket. NetGear RangeMaxWNR854T Ethernet 1000 wireless 802.11n/g no bCable modem Time Warner RoadRunner Talladega Fast TiBook 500 802.11g Sonnet DN=13682 UP=1823 USBn dongle in USB 1.1 port DN= 3666 UP= 1810 G4 CUBE 500 USBn dongle in USB 1.1 port DN= 3666 UP= 1810 AirMac DN=5060Up=1707 MBP 2.4 ETH1000 DN=24908 UP=1892 AirPortExtreme n DN= 24282 UP= 1902 PM G5 2.7 dual Eth 1000 DN=29278UP=1872 USBn dongle in USB 2.0 port DN= 31169 UP= 1900 G4 MDD 1.0 dual Eth 1000DN=29278UP=1872 USBn dongle in USB 2.0 port DN= 31107 UP= 1881 G3 iMac 700l Eth 100 DN=10044UP=11841 USBn dongle in USB 1.1 port DN=3 774 UP= 1797 AirPort DN=3639 UP=1576 I see Airport and AirMac (I don't know what AirMac is) getting about he same performance as a USB dongle via USB 1.1 and they have about the same bandwidth limit. Don't forget that 802.11b has a MAXIMUM speed of 11 Mb/s. But there are a number of other speeds it can operate at depending on conditions. And that isn't including slowdowns due to packet loss. You need to check to see just what the data rate is. 802.11 is half duplex so what ever speed you are getting, acknowledgments are taking up some of that bandwidth as well as dead time while the computer is thinking about the data. My experience with 802.11b has almost always been good. I've never measured the speed but it's usually what should be expected. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: The VAST MAJORITY of broadband access in this country is about 7 MB/s. In most of the country Broadband tops out at 12 mbps. The fastest I can get here at my house in rural Idaho is 4mb, currently we have 512kb D: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:40 AM, icanswing wrote: Hi list, I have a new imac. Now I want to set up my G4 in another room. My G4 doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an airport. I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router. Does this sound correct? The router is about $50.00. Everything is so expensive Thanks Paula The router is OK, however I would use a USB wireless n dongle. The AirPort b card is real slow unless all you want is e-mail and surf the net, downloads are just a little quicker than dialup. but that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
John, How does that work? I just hook it up to a USB connection on my G4 (that doesn't have an airport card)? On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:49:30 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com Subject:Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet Date: March 2, 2010 7:49:30 AM CST To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:40 AM, icanswing wrote: Hi list, I have a new imac. Now I want to set up my G4 in another room. My G4 doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an airport. I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router. Does this sound correct? The router is about $50.00. Everything is so expensive Thanks Paula The router is OK, however I would use a USB wireless n dongle. The AirPort b card is real slow unless all you want is e-mail and surf the net, downloads are just a little quicker than dialup. but that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:58 AM, icanswing wrote: John, How does that work? I just hook it up to a USB connection on my G4 (that doesn't have an airport card)? On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:49:30 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com Subject: Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet Date: March 2, 2010 7:49:30 AM CST To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:40 AM, icanswing wrote: Hi list, I have a new imac. Now I want to set up my G4 in another room. My G4 doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an airport. I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router. Does this sound correct? The router is about $50.00. Everything is so expensive Thanks Paula The router is OK, however I would use a USB wireless n dongle. The AirPort b card is real slow unless all you want is e-mail and surf the net, downloads are just a little quicker than dialup. but that's just me. This is what I use. Very easy to install. You can find cheaper ones also. I think they all will run using Ralink USB wireless software. http://stn2.headgap.com/resale/FMPro?-token=13542622-db=ProductsC.fp3-lay=WEB-format=items.htm-sortfield=SortID-Max=40category=wireless-find John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:49 AM, John Carmonne wrote: The router is OK, however I would use a USB wireless n dongle. The AirPort b card is real slow unless all you want is e-mail and surf the net, downloads are just a little quicker than dialup. You're joking, right? 802.11b is 11Mb/s. It's shared across all devices on a single WAP, but still for most people you'll get that kinds of speed most of the time, unless you're stepped down because of signal issues (which will step down 802.11g just as much) The VAST MAJORITY of broadband access in this country is about 7 MB/s. In most of the country Broadband tops out at 12 mbps. So no. Airport B is NOT real slow, it's faster than the vast majority of American's internet connections. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:40 AM, icanswing wrote: Hi list, I have a new imac. Now I want to set up my G4 in another room. My G4 doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an airport. It will work just fine. I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router. Does this sound correct? The router is about $50.00. Everything is so expensive This will require you running an ethernet cable to the other room, which may or may not be a problem. An original Airport card will run you about $25 used; a USB WiFi Dongle the same or a bit more, and you can share the network access off the iMac via the iMacs wireless card (unless you have a WiFi router already connected to the DSL.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
In a message dated 3/2/10 8:08:05 AM, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu writes: On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:49 AM, John Carmonne wrote: The router is OK, however I would use a USB wireless n dongle. The AirPort b card is real slow unless all you want is e-mail and surf the net, downloads are just a little quicker than dialup. You're joking, right? 802.11b is 11Mb/s. It's shared across all devices on a single WAP, but still for most people you'll get that kinds of speed most of the time, unless you're stepped down because of signal issues (which will step down 802.11g just as much) The VAST MAJORITY of broadband access in this country is about 7 MB/s. In most of the country Broadband tops out at 12 mbps. So no. Airport B is NOT real slow, it's faster than the vast majority of American's internet connections. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs No joke, I've tested all my wireless conections with Speakeasy and the b cards are slower than the second comming. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet
On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:29 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote: No joke, I've tested all my wireless conections with Speakeasy and the b cards are slower than the second comming. What is your test rig? Distance to the WAP? Signal level? Speakeasy measures far more than your local network link's speed. The appropriate way of doing that is to time file transfers over your link to a local system on the same switch. Also, Speakeasy's speed test is flash based; so it's measuring your system's ability to run Flash as well as any incidental connectivity. Finally I suspect their methods. They just told me that my 'download speed' is 28Mbps, and my 'upload speed' is 6.12 Mbps. This is on my desktop system which has a gigabit connection to the campus fiber backbone, and on out through the UA's three multiplexed Gbps fiber connections, and no asymmetric caps. Now we could have various connectivity issues between here and there, but I highly doubt that there's a 98% degradation in speed unless the Apocalypse has occurred. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
