Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Thanks Clark, for those clear words! and Thanks James, for showing that it’s still a complicated business… But I’m starting to understand it now, also from (previously mentioned on this list, I know...) webpages like this one: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/faq/power-mac-g4-how-to-replace-upgrade-hard-drive-big-drive-support.html They have a good table, listing the different models with their HD- controller speed, which is the main point. Here’s how I would summarize it, putting the PowerMac models in sequence from old to new: 1. Before the Quicksilver, larger HDs are not supported, that is, out of the box, because these models have Ultra ATA/66 controllers (or even slower /33). These models can be made to recognize larger-than-128GB harddisks by installing a newer controller card (for example, a PCI SATA card) or a software driver from here: http://www.speedtools.com/ATA6.html 2. Quicksilver and QuickSilver 2002 support larger HDs for OS X, but not for booting OS 9 -- unless one of the above fixes is installed. 3. Starting from Mirror Drive Doors, larger HDs are supported without any addition. These models’ HD-controller is Ultra ATA/100. For James: maybe your Mac has a hack installed -- I saw that mentioned somewhere. To be completely clear: all the above is independent of the way the HD is partitioned. The SpeedTools people give good guidelines on their site how to partition a disk, and they advise to keep the volumes 128GB or smaller even with their driver installed. If you boot that PowerMac from another System (CD/DVD) which doesn’t have the SpeedTools driver, you will only see the first volume, not the higher ones -- but only if that first volume is 128GB or smaller. If it’s larger, you won’t see any volume on that harddisk. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!! Date:Donnerstag 05 August 2010N From:Peter Kim pete...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Either way, I would also invest in a back-up drive via firewire. Yes! Always make back-ups! Make back-ups of your personal files and documents! Having to reinstall your operating system and applications (which you have on CD/DVD, right?) is your least problem if you still have your personal files! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Hi Rich, I have 3 harddisks in my Digital Audio: 2 are 3,5 and 1 is 2,5 (connected with an adapter). So having several HDs is no problem. But could someone in the know post a clear answer to this question: Do large HDs work in the Digital Audio, with Tiger and/or Leopard? I’m still doubtful whether creating partitions smaller than 128GB is enough to make such HDs work. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
On 8/4/10 11:12 AM, Geke wrote: Hi Rich, I have 3 harddisks in my Digital Audio: 2 are 3,5 and 1 is 2,5 (connected with an adapter). So having several HDs is no problem. But could someone in the know post a clear answer to this question: Do large HDs work in the Digital Audio, with Tiger and/or Leopard? I’m still doubtful whether creating partitions smaller than 128GB is enough to make such HDs work. I have about 2Tb in my DA. Two drives are SATA with a PCI SATA controller. You can't just create small partitions. On a stock DA it will only recognize the FIRST 128Gb on the HD regardless of partitioning. Using either of the work arounds you can either make one 128Gb partition and make the rest a single large partition or you can make it one large partition. Or you can look into a used QuickSilver 2002 or MDD and have native large drive support built in -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm 250GB Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good drive for the money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have someone else sending me all the details for a simular one for $79.95... I will post that info when I get it... Thanks again everyone!!! -Original Message- From: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net Sent: Jul 28, 2010 12:27 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!! Once again for anyone who doesn't know the computer is G4 Power Mac M5183 tower and keyboard she doesn't have the monitor... On the back it has 1-AGP slot, 4-PCI slots, 2-USB's 2-FireWire 400's, 3 slots for memory (and I already know the max is 1.5g (3-512's) ram... The computer was built around July 2002 it has a 466mhz processor, 896mb (1-128mb/1-256mb/1-512mb), ATI rage 128 pro video card, 30G 5400rpm IBM Deskstar HD (March 2001), Sony CD-RW CRX140E, IOMEGA ZIP 250... She has a HP 23 monitor (pretty new) from the PC she is using now and would like to use this (so she can switch back and forth from Apple tower to PC tower) depending on what she is working on... I already bought a AGP PNY Tech NIVDIA GeForce FX 5200 128mb Video card and an airport card together for $34 ebay, a Pioneer DVR-118LBK DVD/CD Writer for $28 from NewEgg... I'm working on now 2-512mb someone I know is working on getting for me... My biggest question is for the hard drive which way should I go??? She has about $160 left to spend she told me she can go as high as $200 total (but if I could get the rest for less this would be great) She can probably move her work off to a external devise??? This is why I was leaning towards a 128g max 7200rpm HD PATA instead of a SATA... Or would it be better to go with a SATA PCI card and a SATA HD that is a 128g max 7200rpm??? This is where I am stuck??? Also which way would be faster and how much faster??? Thank You everyone very much!!! Rich Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
The last PATAs I bought were $80 for 500GB. You can create 4 partitions of 125GB. search eBay for [500gb pata] no brackets, and see what's there. For maybe $5 more you'll have twice the space. On Aug 3, 2:41 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm 250GB Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good drive for the money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have someone else sending me all the details for a simular one for $79.95... I will post that info when I get it... Thanks again everyone!!! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Also take a look on eBay at White Label Hard Drives. There are some ATA/APATA still available. Usually, one year warranty but what I like is that this are previously unused, clean, etc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!! Date:Dienstag 03 August 2010N From:Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm 250GB Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good drive for the money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have someone else sending me all the details for a simular one for $79.95... I will post that info when I get it... Thanks again everyone!!! Isn't there a prize search engine in the U.S. available? Here in Germany+Austria/Europe we have a nice search site called geizhals.at (.de and .eu respectively). Searching for the cheapest 500 GB PATA drive: Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB (HDP725050GLAT80) for around 60-65 EUR – that would be around 80 to 85 USD at the current rate. When it comes to hard disk drives I have some rules I always follow: 1) *always* buy it _new_ 2) buy it from a store where you will get a replacement if the drive should fail (when it is returned RMA to the manufacturer) 3) HDDs _will fail_ after 5 to 10 years. NEVER BUY USED DRIVES! These are my rules, because I want to keep my files safe – and because of recent personal experiences. I had a couple of HDDs (IDE=PATA, 7 to 12 years old) which all failed one after the other, some completely, others while I was reformating and reinstalling a fresh Mac OS X. The failures ranged from sector read failures (the least problem) to controller hardware failures to physical failures of the drive itself (rare, but happend with one drive). This tells me that these type of storage media only lasts 5 to 10 years and is very likely to fail thereafter. From 10 disks (4 of my own) 9 failed, and only one is still working. The one is 13 years old 30 GB original Apple from a G3 BW and I have a strange feeling every day because I expect it to fail anytime. This surviving drive was used when I got it. (Exception to the rule, so it seems.) On the other hand, a drive will fail within the first year or doesn't fail at all within the already mentioned 5 to 10 years. My advice to you: why not buy a drive at a local computer store? (if the prize is okay…) And one other thing. For the partitions: make one, say 80 to 120 GB (I always use 80 GB, has always been well enough for my applications) for the operating system, and the rest for your individual files. That works well if you use the Open Firmware patch to support LBA-48. And helps to keep things tidy. (who wants to work with more than 2 paritions? seriously, who?) Just remember to put all your files on the second partition (and not in your users folder!). http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard- drives.html Whish you good luck with your project. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Thanks for that info Andreas!!! I was planning on getting a new one... I also have another question can I keep the orig hard drive in there too (is there 2 plugs in the ribbon for them I didn't notice if there was)??? This way she can save stuff on that HD too... I don't know of any Prize Search Engs??? I use ask.com, google.com and yahoo.com and I come up with the same types of websites (ebay always comes up in everyone)... I bought 2 hard rives off someone from ebay for my clamshells and had very good luck with them and her, she had me return the first one with no questions and sent me a new one!!! It was my fault i didn't know it had to be formatted... I am planning on buying this one from her as soon as she gets back to me with the specs on the one for $79.95... I think HD's may be going bad is because of leaving the computer running all the time??? With my experience in knowing how things are made and the way they build them to fail after x-#'s of yrs, I wouldn't expect a HD to last that long but I am suprised that most of them do last that long??? After yrs of spinning and collecting dust and dirt any kind of bearing would ware out... The ones I replaced in my clamshells were not bad they were just too slow, so I cleaned them and sold them on ebay!!! - Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm 250GB Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good drive for the money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have someone else sending me all the details for a simular one for $79.95... I will post that info when I get it... Thanks again everyone!!! Isn't there a prize search engine in the U.S. available? Here in Germany+Austria/Europe we have a nice search site called geizhals.at (.de and .eu respectively). Searching for the cheapest 500 GB PATA drive: Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB (HDP725050GLAT80) for around 60-65 EUR – that would be around 80 to 85 USD at the current rate. When it comes to hard disk drives I have some rules I always follow: 1) *always* buy it _new_ 2) buy it from a store where you will get a replacement if the drive should fail (when it is returned RMA to the manufacturer) 3) HDDs _will fail_ after 5 to 10 years. NEVER BUY USED DRIVES! These are my rules, because I want to keep my files safe – and because of recent personal experiences. I had a couple of HDDs (IDE=PATA, 7 to 12 years old) which all failed one after the other, some completely, others while I was reformating and reinstalling a fresh Mac OS X. The failures ranged from sector read failures (the least problem) to controller hardware failures to physical failures of the drive itself (rare, but happend with one drive). This tells me that these type of storage media only lasts 5 to 10 years and is very likely to fail thereafter. From 10 disks (4 of my own) 9 failed, and only one is still working. The one is 13 years old 30 GB original Apple from a G3 BW and I have a strange feeling every day because I expect it to fail anytime. This surviving drive was used when I got it. (Exception to the rule, so it seems.) On the other hand, a drive will fail within the first year or doesn't fail at all within the already mentioned 5 to 10 years. My advice to you: why not buy a drive at a local computer store? (if the prize is okay…) And one other thing. For the partitions: make one, say 80 to 120 GB (I always use 80 GB, has always been well enough for my applications) for the operating system, and the rest for your individual files. That works well if you use the Open Firmware patch to support LBA-48. And helps to keep things tidy. (who wants to work with more than 2 paritions? seriously, who?) Just remember to put all your files on the second partition (and not in your users folder!). http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard- drives.html Whish you good luck with your project. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Rich, Sorry for causing confusion about that M5183--this turns out to be the model number on most all of the G4 PowerMacs... (I had been confusing it with the Order Number all the time; a post in another thread G4 identity brought the light today.) So, it’s definitely a Digital Audio with a 466MHz processor. Processors can be upgraded through a daughterboard, you can read here: http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_g4_st.html How much they cost is a different matter: they start at about 200$ for a new one (1.6 GHz). However, there are other ways: I just bought a broken PowerMac, for parts with a Sonnet 1GHz processor inside, on ebay for about 50$. I’m now crossing my fingers that that processor will work in my Digital Audio. On 30 jul, 17:25, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Can you swap out just the processor without changing the mother board??? Maybe after I get this up and running we'll see how much faster it is and go from there, if it is still too slow for her I will change out the processor then??? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Hi Rich, This is a 466mhz and the Model# M5183 how this got like this is beyond me, (I figured it to be a 400, 450 or 500) it comes up when I click on About This Mac 466mhz and 896mb Maybe a processor swap then? Still weird, because only the Digital Audio and newer have 3 RAM slots like yours. Anyway... you’re doing a good job there. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Can you swap out just the processor without changing the mother board??? Maybe after I get this up and running we'll see how much faster it is and go from there, if it is still too slow for her I will change out the processor then??? - Hi Rich, This is a 466mhz and the Model# M5183 how this got like this is beyond me, (I figured it to be a 400, 450 or 500) it comes up when I click on About This Mac 466mhz and 896mb Maybe a processor swap then? Still weird, because only the Digital Audio and newer have 3 RAM slots like yours. Anyway... you’re doing a good job there. Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Rich, If the processor is compatible with your motherboard, then by all means, it's a pretty easy swap. Felix On Jul 30, 11:25 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Can you swap out just the processor without changing the mother board??? Maybe after I get this up and running we'll see how much faster it is and go from there, if it is still too slow for her I will change out the processor then??? - Hi Rich, This is a 466mhz and the Model# M5183 how this got like this is beyond me, (I figured it to be a 400, 450 or 500) it comes up when I click on About This Mac 466mhz and 896mb Maybe a processor swap then? Still weird, because only the Digital Audio and newer have 3 RAM slots like yours. Anyway... you’re doing a good job there. Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Ends today. Newegg has the Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive for $56 - $16 off with coupon code EMCYVNP29 [Exp 7/29] = $40 with free shipping. Western Digital covers this product with a 3-year warranty. On Jul 28, 12:27 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: I was leaning towards a 128g max 7200rpm HD PATA instead of a SATA... Or would it be better to go with a SATA PCI card and a SATA HD that is a 128g max 7200rpm??? This is where I am stuck??? Also which way would be faster and how much faster??? Thank You everyone very much!!! Rich -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Hi Rich, Sorry to harp on this again, but I’m sure you want to use your friend’s money as efficiently as possible, and if 120GB is enough for her right now, then why spend more. From the other posts I’m still not clear if a bigger-than-128GB HD will work at all, even when partitioned. The two main bottlenecks on the computer you’ve got will be processor speed and maybe USB1.1 speed. (By the way, you didn’t explain how this model can be M5183 and the processor speed 466MHz. This combination seems impossible to me.) To put things in perspective, have a look at what’s going on ebay: 330454119075 is a MacMini G4 with 3x the speed of her present machine, 1GB RAM and 80GB HD. It has VGA so she can use it with the HP screen, and DVI so she can upgrade to a nicer monitor any time. This item was sold for 150 British Pounds, and it’s not the only one like that. Cheers! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Hey Geke, This is a 466mhz and the Model# M5183 how this got like this is beyond me, (I figured it to be a 400, 450 or 500) it comes up when I click on About This Mac 466mhz and 896mb and right now running Jaguar 10.2.8 (I put Jaguar in it a few yrs ago) she only had OS 9.2.1... I have a Tiger DVD and plan on upgrading it to Tiger when I get it all together... I think I am just going to put a 60-120g 7200rpm PATA hard drive in it and not go with the SATA card and drive just to keep the cost down... So all I have left to get is 2-512mb's and 2.0 USB (if she needs it) and the Hard Drive... Hi Rich, Sorry to harp on this again, but I’m sure you want to use your friend’s money as efficiently as possible, and if 120GB is enough for her right now, then why spend more. From the other posts I’m still not clear if a bigger-than-128GB HD will work at all, even when partitioned. The two main bottlenecks on the computer you’ve got will be processor speed and maybe USB1.1 speed. (By the way, you didn’t explain how this model can be M5183 and the processor speed 466MHz. This combination seems impossible to me.) To put things in perspective, have a look at what’s going on ebay: 330454119075 is a MacMini G4 with 3x the speed of her present machine, 1GB RAM and 80GB HD. It has VGA so she can use it with the HP screen, and DVI so she can upgrade to a nicer monitor any time. This item was sold for 150 British Pounds, and it’s not the only one like that. Cheers! Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Rich, Maxing out the memory is a good idea. I mean, 896Mb is good, but 2 gigs is great. So you are on the right track there. SATA hard drives are bigger, cheaper and faster. Which means, if she gets a SATA PCI card (which are about $50), she can both break the 128GB barrier and add a 1 TB hard drive. Or two. She could also get an external Firewire drive, also with unlimited storage. That's definitely another way to go, maybe cheaper than the SATA PCI card and an internal SATA drive. Good luck! Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
I loaded the OS to the SATA drive and ran benchmarking tests. The improvements were minimal. In practice, pure HD moves were much faster, SATA to SATA file moves, but things like video encode, as others taught me, the bottleneck is not the HD, but the bus and/or processor. So, I'm not trying to sell you anything, or putting my preference on to your friend. I believe the 500GB drive can be partitioned to look like 4 125GB drives if the 128GB limit is an issue. Just price them out. Logic tells me if 2X the size is only 30% more, may as well get bigger. Uncompressed video runs 13GB/hr. For example - the shows I am moving from TiVo are 7GB for an hour show in HD. Again, I don't know exactly what she's doing. External FW is not a bad idea. On Jul 28, 10:18 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Yes it has the 128g limit... I would only go the SATA way if this will make it faster only, she doesn't need more then 128g storage I'm sure, she was getting by with the original 30g 5400rpm running Jaguar till it wasn't able to keep up anymore... My personal opinion would be just by putting in a PATA 7200rpm and 128g HD max to the limit should make this computer a lot faster then it is now and run Tiger pretty good so she can use this for a couple more yrs... Would the SATA route be faster yet, is the question I have now??? I know a bigger processor would be a better idea but that probably means another motherboard, then another computer that some of you are talking about would be the better way to go I'm sure... I think if I do what I'm doing to this and down the road she needs more storage she will buy an external drive then, and by doing this she will always have the external even if she buys a newer Apple later on... She knows for a fact doing web design on an Apple is a lot faster then on a PC this is why she wants to do this to this G4 that she bought brand new... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:14 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: I believe the 500GB drive can be partitioned to look like 4 125GB drives if the 128GB limit is an issue. If on a pre-QS 2002 model up to and including a QS 2001, you are stuck with the 128 GB line. All partitions below the 131,072 MB line (this equals 128 GB, BTW) must end at 131,072 MB. Below that line, you may include as many partitions as you wish. All may be bootable Above that line, you may also include as many partitions as you wish. None may be bootable. On a conventional 500 GB drive, the below the line partitions must add up to precisely 128 GB, whereas the above the line partitions must add up to about 338 GB. These add up to 466 GB, which is just about what you would expect from a 500 GB drive which has been initialized and includes all the directory and journaling stuff. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
On Jul 28, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Peter Haas wrote: Below that line, you may include as many partitions as you wish. All may be bootable Above that line, you may also include as many partitions as you wish. None may be bootable. On a QS 2002, or all later, every partition may be bootable. However, on a pre-QS 2002, none after the 131,072 MB line may be bootable, unless the LBA48 property has been added to the MacOS ROM (using the widely available script). In order for a partition to be bootable, it must be able to be seen by the MacOS ROM. It is for this reason that partitions above the line are NEVER bootable if using the Intech kernel extension, because that extension is not loaded until just before control is turned over to MacOS, whereas partitions above the line are almost always bootable if using the LBA48 property, because that property is always resident (it is persistent) within the MacOS ROM. The LBA48 property may be removed by executing a Cmd-Opt-P-R on pre- QS 2002 Macs. The LBA48 property may not be removed on a QS 2002 or later as it is burned into the MacOS ROM. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
It sounds like she's not shooting for TB storage. Just get a 250GB or 500GB PATA, and call it quits. Drive d\prices keep falling. If she needs more in a year, the SATA card is still a choice. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
