Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-22 Thread Jonas Ulrich
For under $50 you could pick up a G4/500MHZ Sonnet processor on ebay. I had
one in mine for awhile and it was great. Look on newegg.com for a dvd
burner. You can get a DVD/RW DL for about $20. you may have to use
patchburn.

-Jonas

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.comwrote:

  thanks ksam 279   I really appreciate all you people are doing to help me.
  I know a little about my macs but not too much.  I could not even begin to
 know how to upgrade or fix one.


 Robert Long



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 yes, you have it right.
 On Dec 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Robert Long wrote:

 Here is what is on my G3  ser. SB913SWCG9D
 ETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
 I thinkthis chip speed, cache and memory
  sdram  and no dvd
 right?
 Robert Long



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 From: kasm...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker
 that has two barcodes and says something like

 400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB

 This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of
 RAM, a 6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video
 card, same with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the
 specs from the factory, and it should help with determining if your machine
 has a DVD drive. Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD
 logo there, you have a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW
 drive.

 On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

 Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it
 won't read the disk.
 Robert Long




 I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.

 Larry



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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-22 Thread Kasey Smith

On Dec 21, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Robert Long wrote:

 thanks ksam 279

Kasm279 .

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Lawrence David Eden
Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger 
and it won't read the disk.

Robert Long





I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.

Larry

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Robert Long

Larry, I think you are right.  One of the next things on my list is another 
drive with DVD w  rw. More memory and then open to all suggestions. 

Robert Long



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RE: Upgrade my Ge
Mine is just blue side panels and front.I
tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.


Robert Long










I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD
drive.


Larry






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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Robert Long wrote:


 Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
 and it won't read the disk.

You have a so-called 'BlueWhite' G3 Mac; you can install 10.4 on it  
but if you cannot read the disk, you may have the CDRW-only optical  
drive, the 10.4 disk is a DVD.

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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Kasey Smith
Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a  
sticker that has two barcodes and says something like

400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB

This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB  
of RAM, a 6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on  
the video card, same with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB.  
Those are the specs from the factory, and it should help with  
determining if your machine has a DVD drive. Also, you can flip the  
drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have a DVD drive.  
If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.

On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

 Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
 and it won't read the disk.
 Robert Long




 I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.

 Larry

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Robert Long

Thanks, I'll take a look

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
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Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry






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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Robert Long

Thanks Bruce, I looked at mine it is just a CD no DVD but I am going to put in 
one. Which is best in your advice to add??

Robert Long



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 Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:11:34 -0700
 
 
 On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Robert Long wrote:
 
 
  Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
  and it won't read the disk.
 
 You have a so-called 'BlueWhite' G3 Mac; you can install 10.4 on it  
 but if you cannot read the disk, you may have the CDRW-only optical  
 drive, the 10.4 disk is a DVD.
 
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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Robert Long wrote:


 Thanks Bruce, I looked at mine it is just a CD no DVD but I am going  
 to put in one. Which is best in your advice to add??

Well, just about any ATA DVD-/+ R-RW is usable with OS X 10.4.11. You  
may have to to use PatchBurn to get it fully recognized for burning, 
http://www.patchburn.de/ 
 .

New R/RW drives are about $35-$55 for ATA models.Geeks.com has a   
Hitachi 20X DVD +r DL drive for $34:

http://tinyurl.com/ykegly9



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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Robert Long

Hello guys and gals, here is what I found on my G3 Ser. SB913SWCG9DEthernet 
ID  *00 50 E4 D8 6A*310 mhz 512 k cache  64 mb sdram HD  CDrom
So you are right, no DVD but I have some good suggestions for which to install. 
 I'll pick up some more ram and then go from there.  I have a disk for Tiger 
10.4 and I am getting a OS 9.2 to load if I want or need to.  any other 
suggestions will be appreciated.  By the way, I am not to hot on mac info but 
if you cook, I am a retired chef and have some awesome recipes.

Robert Long



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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:40:50 -0700








Thanks, I'll take a look

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com


Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry






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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Robert Long

Here is what is on my G3  ser. SB913SWCG9DETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 
512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
I think   this chip speed, cache and memory  
sdram  and no dvdright?
Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
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Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry






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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Kasey Smith
yes, you have it right.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Robert Long wrote:

 Here is what is on my G3  ser. SB913SWCG9D
 ETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
 I think this chip speed, cache and  
 memory  sdram  and no dvd
 right?
 Robert Long



 From: kasm...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a  
 sticker that has two barcodes and says something like

 400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB

 This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache,  
 64MB of RAM, a 6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder  
 card on the video card, same with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea  
 about the KB. Those are the specs from the factory, and it should  
 help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. Also, you  
 can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you  
 have a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.

 On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

 Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
 and it won't read the disk.
 Robert Long




 I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.

 Larry

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-21 Thread Robert Long

thanks ksam 279   I really appreciate all you people are doing to help me.  I 
know a little about my macs but not too much.  I could not even begin to know 
how to upgrade or fix one.   

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:32:54 -0700
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yes, you have it right. 
On Dec 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Robert Long wrote:Here is what is on my G3  ser. 
SB913SWCG9DETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
I think   this chip speed, cache and memory  
sdram  and no dvdright?
Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you BW is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry





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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-20 Thread Jorge Quiroz
Ok, your mac can go up to 10.4, but you'll need a retail disk (not an  
specific machine disk)
you can put any standard IDE DVD ROM in your Power Mac( mine has a LG  
SuperMulti DVD Burner with dual layer support), you can get a WiFi PCI  
Card to connect to wifi networks, the other option is buy an WiFi USB  
Adapter (i bought one last year for my blueberry ibook).
Greetings form Chile.
Jorge.
On 20, Dec, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Robert Long wrote:

 Hello, here is the info off my G3

 My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive,  
 PCI slot $J12 display card,
 4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB,  
 backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor   
 info  PowerPC G3. It connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It is  
 not wifi capable yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive  
 and any other recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any  
 info you don't mind sharing, let it fly.


 Thanks A and M for you response
 Robert Long

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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-20 Thread Ted Treen
Jorge Quiroz wrote:
 Ok, your mac can go up to 10.4, but you'll need a retail disk (not an 
 specific machine disk)
 you can put any standard IDE DVD ROM in your Power Mac( mine has a LG 
 SuperMulti DVD Burner with dual layer support), you can get a WiFi PCI 
 Card to connect to wifi networks, the other option is buy an WiFi USB 
 Adapter (i bought one last year for my blueberry ibook).
 Greetings form Chile.
 Jorge.
 On 20, Dec, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Robert Long wrote:

 Hello, here is the info off my G3

 My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, 
 PCI slot $J12 display card,
 4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB, 
 backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor 
  info  PowerPC G3. It connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It is 
 not wifi capable yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive 
 and any other recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any 
 info you don't mind sharing, let it fly.


 Thanks A and M for you response
 Robert Long

 PS thought I better add a subject line

Hi,

You won't get much joy from any variant of OSX with 128MB Ram: When I 
had a G3 Beige, 10.4 ran reasonably in 768MB - the max it would go to. 
Anything less than 512MB is likely to be a less-than-thrilling experience.

Best.

Ted

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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-20 Thread Amanda Ward
Robert,

The BW is a nice machine... I have two of them.

Lessee... You can max out the ram to 1 GB (4 x 256 MB)

There are some processor options. You can go to an Apple 450 MHz G3. You can
install a 450 MHz G4 CPU from the first gen. G4 machines... the Yikes/PCI
graphics. (Note: Going to a G4 CPU will most likely require a firmware
update to unlock G4 compatibility and it cannot be installed in OS X) There
are other CPUs available from suppliers such as OWC and Sonnet up to 1 GHz.
(My twin Smurfs have the G4/450 CPU and performed admirably)

Hard drives... The BW has two different motherboards Rev. 1 and Rev. 2. The
Rev. 1 is ===notorious=== for being finicky with anything but the original
HD. The Rev. 2 resolved this problem. (To identify your system see:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/newfeatures.html)
The BW is limited to to a maximum 128 GB, although this can be gotten
around by using an add-on PCI/IDE adapter card. (OR using external USB or
Firewire drives. At one point I had two 500GB USB drives connected.)

Optical drives: Since I upgraded my machines, things may have changed, but
at the time some DVD drives were not bootable in the BW. Some research
would be prudent. FWIW, I found a Lite-On drive that was bootable and burned
all CD/DVD media. (Lite-On SHOW-1693S)

Graphics: The stock video card had 16 MB VRAM and, in my case, worked just
fine for most purposes. I did upgrade one machine to a Radeon 7500 (I think)
w/64MB VRAM, not so much for the extra video memory, but it had two video
outputs and I love having two displays to work with! ;-)

Wireless: There are some options here... check eBay. I only had wireless on
my BW for a short period, because a ­ the network switch was less than a
foot from the machine and b ­ I needed the card for a peecee I was using for
a media center.
I was using a Netgear card with a driver from OrangeWare (~ $15)... Seemed
to work fine.

That¹s about all that comes to mind at the moment... Perhaps more caffeine
will jostle a thought or two loose!

Amanda

My Macs:

Mac SE Superdrive (Sylvester)
Powerbook G3/266 Wallstreet (Waldo)
iMac G3/266 (George)
Powermac BW G3 w/G4/450 x 2 (Bruce and Bryce)
Powermac G4 Sawtooth 1.6GHz (Gregory)
Powermac G4 GigE dual 450Mhz (Gene)
Powermac G4 Digital Audio 733MHz (Dave)
Powerbook G4 15² Al 1.5GHz (Albert)
iMac G5 20² 1.8GHz (Warren)
iMac Intel 20² Core 2 Dou 2.4 GHz (Irving)

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Re: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-20 Thread Kasey Smith
Why didn't you just reply to Robert? Anyway, is the machine blue on  
the front, top and back or is it beige all around?
On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Robert Long wrote:

 Hello, here is the info off my G3

 My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive,  
 PCI slot $J12 display card,
 4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 MB,  
 backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor   
 info  PowerPC G3. It connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It  
 is not wifi capable yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD  
 drive and any other recommendations you wish to make. So if you  
 have any info you don't mind sharing, let it fly.


 Thanks A and M for you response
 Robert Long

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-20 Thread Robert Long

Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it 
won't read the disk.

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:52:00 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com


Why didn't you just reply to Robert? Anyway, is the machine blue on the front, 
top and back or is it beige all around?
On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Robert Long wrote:Hello, here is the info off my 
G3 
My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, PCI slot 
$J12 display card,4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 
MB, backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor  info  
PowerPC G3. It connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It is not wifi capable 
yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive and any other 
recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any info you don't mind 
sharing, let it fly.  


Thanks A and M for you response
Robert Long






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Upgrade my Ge

2009-12-19 Thread Robert Long

Hello, here is the info off my G3 
My G 3 is a blue and the info on it is; CD rom and ATA hard drive, PCI slot 
$J12 display card,4 MB disk cache. Virtual memory; 129 MB, Built in Memory 128 
MB, backside L2 cache 512 K cache, Machine speed is 300 MHz, processor  info  
PowerPC G3. It connects to  internet via ethernet cable. It is not wifi capable 
yet and I want to up the memory and add a DVD drive and any other 
recommendations you wish to make. So if you have any info you don't mind 
sharing, let it fly.  


Thanks A and M for you response
Robert Long

PS thought I better add a subject line

  
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