Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-04 Thread faithie999
checked the power supply.  both 12v outputs read 11.56.

since this is a hand-me-down from someone who already replaced their
computer, i don't think i'll spend any more time on it.  just hate to
see it go to a landfill.  can't in good conscience part it out since i
don't know what's wrong with it.

thanks

ken



On Jan 3, 11:10 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:43 PM, faithie999 wrote:

  None of the caps are visibly damaged, but I know that doesn't mean
  that one or more aren't faulty.

 If none are popped, I don't think it's likely the problem.

 I'd look for something else. It sounds a lot like a bad power supply,
 which you can check with a multimeter.

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iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-04 Thread Gene Henley

Mine won`t turn on,either.
You could sell it. I`ve seen them for sale
on ebay, non working. I am debating
whether or not to replace capacitors.
There is a history of their being defective,and
very difficult to properly replace. It`s called wave soldering,I was told.As 
a  hobby,I might try,if I

have someone personally mentoring me.
:-D
  Cheers
Gene


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checked the power supply.  both 12v outputs read 11.56.

since this is a hand-me-down from someone who already replaced their
computer, i don't think i'll spend any more time on it.  just hate to
see it go to a landfill.  can't in good conscience part it out since i
don't know what's wrong with it.

thanks

ken



On Jan 3, 11:10 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:43 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 None of the caps are visibly damaged, but I know that doesn't mean
 that one or more aren't faulty.

If none are popped, I don't think it's likely the problem.

I'd look for something else. It sounds a lot like a bad power supply,
which you can check with a multimeter.


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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-04 Thread Barry Levine
We have a PC here that developed the issue of not powering on, and (after
looking into various issues) tried replacing the caps on the motherboard. It
was difficult. The newer solder seems to be high-temperature (as someone
mentioned in an earlier thread); surprisingly hard to get the caps out, even
harder to get the holes clear in order to put in new ones, using a 60W iron.
Ordinary solder sucker didn't work; had to use combination of heat and an
old dental tool to poke the old solder out without damaging the printed
circuit traces. Quite a job.

P.S. The darned thing still won't power on.

Barry

 From: Gene Henley mhenl...@verizon.net
 Organization: Heney Health Enterprises
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 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:02:53 -0500
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iMac G5 won't power on
 
 Mine won`t turn on,either.
 You could sell it. I`ve seen them for sale
 on ebay, non working. I am debating
 whether or not to replace capacitors.
 There is a history of their being defective,and
 very difficult to properly replace. It`s called wave soldering,I was told.As
 a  hobby,I might try,if I
 have someone personally mentoring me.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread faithie999
bruce--i should have thanked you for the link.  i found my way to
badcaps.net, a very interesting site.

i removed the power supply, and tested the outputs.  i got 11.56v on
both 12v outputs.  that leads me to believe the problem is with the
caps on the logic board, which there is a kit for on the above site.
i'm considering whether my soldering skills are up to the task.

btw, the person that gave me this kept the HD, but also kept the
temperature sensor that is glued to it.  will the computer boot
without the temp sensor plugged in?  if it won't i will try to find a
pinout for that connector and make a jumper.

thanks

ken

On Jan 2, 7:41 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:03 PM, faithie999 wrote:

  which are the power supply caps on the logic board?  there are
  probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

 Follow the links I sent, or google G5 iMac capacitor replacement.

 If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the whole thing, 
 Power supply and logic board.



  as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
  the smaller ones?

 Only the big can-like ones



  i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
  the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
  look doable.

 Actually the larger ones are easier to remove.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread faithie999
I found a message in a badcap.net thread that suggested changing the
CMOS battery.  Did so, and now a new set of symptoms.
Pilot light comes on, fan at normal (low) speed, but no startup chime
and no boot.  Screen is black. Tried booting with install disk but
SuperDrive doesn't swallow the disk.  Tried a couple different ram
sticks to no avail.
Does this still sound like a capacitor problem or should I head down a
different track?

Diagnostic led's:
When I plug in the power cord led1 lights as expected.  After powering
on led2 lights as expected.  Led3 never lights.  Manual suggests this
is a video problem but since it doesn't appear to be booting I'm not
ready to condemn the video yet.

Any further ideas?

Thanks


On Jan 3, 11:17 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:42 AM, faithie999 wrote:

  btw, the person that gave me this kept the HD, but also kept the
  temperature sensor that is glued to it.  will the computer boot
  without the temp sensor plugged in?  if it won't i will try to find a
  pinout for that connector and make a jumper.

 Wow, no idea. Maybe iFixit.com will be able to help, either with info about 
 the disassembly and drive replacement or even the part.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:04 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 I found a message in a badcap.net thread that suggested changing the
 CMOS battery.  Did so, and now a new set of symptoms.
 Pilot light comes on, fan at normal (low) speed, but no startup chime
 and no boot.  Screen is black. Tried booting with install disk but
 SuperDrive doesn't swallow the disk.  Tried a couple different ram
 sticks to no avail.
 Does this still sound like a capacitor problem or should I head down a
 different track?
 
 Diagnostic led's:
 When I plug in the power cord led1 lights as expected.  After powering
 on led2 lights as expected.  Led3 never lights.  Manual suggests this
 is a video problem but since it doesn't appear to be booting I'm not
 ready to condemn the video yet.

All signs point to logic board issues with the thing. On G5 iMacs the most 
common logic board issue is bad caps. The system isn't even coming alive (no 
startup chime) Remove all the ram and see if you get the bad ram crash noise, 
but I'll bet you don't.

At this point you'll want to consider the value of your time and parts to 
repair it. 


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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread faithie999
thanks.

i have no use for this when/if i fix it; i gave a 20 imac G5 that we
were no longer using to my sister for her kids.

however, i hate to put this in a landfill!

as an academic exercise, i may spring for the capacitor kit and give
it a try.



ken



On Jan 3, 2:15 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:04 PM, faithie999 wrote:

  I found a message in a badcap.net thread that suggested changing the
  CMOS battery.  Did so, and now a new set of symptoms.
  Pilot light comes on, fan at normal (low) speed, but no startup chime
  and no boot.  Screen is black. Tried booting with install disk but
  SuperDrive doesn't swallow the disk.  Tried a couple different ram
  sticks to no avail.
  Does this still sound like a capacitor problem or should I head down a
  different track?

  Diagnostic led's:
  When I plug in the power cord led1 lights as expected.  After powering
  on led2 lights as expected.  Led3 never lights.  Manual suggests this
  is a video problem but since it doesn't appear to be booting I'm not
  ready to condemn the video yet.

 All signs point to logic board issues with the thing. On G5 iMacs the most 
 common logic board issue is bad caps. The system isn't even coming alive (no 
 startup chime) Remove all the ram and see if you get the bad ram crash noise, 
 but I'll bet you don't.

 At this point you'll want to consider the value of your time and parts to 
 repair it.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread Jim Scott

On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:49 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 thanks.
 
 i have no use for this when/if i fix it; i gave a 20 imac G5 that we
 were no longer using to my sister for her kids.
 
 however, i hate to put this in a landfill!
 
 as an academic exercise, i may spring for the capacitor kit and give
 it a try.
 
 
 
 ken

Here's another site with a wealth of information about replacing iMac G5 
capacitors on the logic board as well as the power supply, plus kits are 
available for purchase.

I've replaced caps on dozens of iMac G5 and eMac G4 logic boards, and in a 
dozen or so iMac G5 power supplies. I started out replacing all of them, but 
I've come around to where I now replace only those with bulging tops or with 
bulging/leaking tops or that are tilted noticeably because the bottom rubber 
plug has blown (rare). My success rate of revival has increased dramatically 
since I started replacing only the observable bad ones. This is most likely 
due to the fact that it's extremely difficult to remove and replace caps on 
iMac G5s without damaging the internal traces in the layers of the logic 
boards, or failing to adequately melt the high-temp solder used by Apple and 
thus effect a good solder bond.

Even after I've succeeded in reviving some iMac G5s, I have to go back and 
resolder a few joints that have come loose after a number of heat up/cool down 
cycles. 

If you're a glutton for punishment, go for the recaps. But be prepared to never 
completely trust that iMac again.

On the other hand, I've have no failures of any eMacs whose capacitors I've 
replaced.

Jim Scott

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread Jim Scott

On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:43 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 None of the caps are visibly damaged, but I know that doesn't mean
 that one or more aren't faulty.

Well, I don't know about that. At first, I bought the idea that a capacitor 
could be bad even if it didn't exhibit any signs of failure, i.e. leaking, 
bulging, tilting. But then I got to thinking about what caused the problem of 
bad caps for almost all of the world's electronics manufacturers who used caps 
from the manufacturer who stole the electrolyte recipe. The stolen recipe was 
missing a key ingredient: the stabilizer that prevented the electrolyte from 
boiling/overheating, which then caused the caps to become unstable and not be 
able to hold their voltage values. The worst caps even exploded, and I've seen 
a number of those. Just found one inside a 1 GHz Sept. 2004 eMac tonight, in 
fact.

I also realized that the strongest recommendations to replace all caps 
irregardless of their visual condition came from people who were in the 
business of selling capacitor kits and soldering supplies.

That's when I started replacing only those caps that looked bad, and suddenly 
my success rate climbed sharply upward. Of course, instead of replacing up to 
27 caps on a board, I was replacing a half-dozen or so. That alone limited any 
damage -- hidden or not -- that might be done by removing caps unnecessarily. 

I've revisited a number of boards that have had only bad caps replaced in the 
last couple of years, and no more bad caps have appeared. So I've concluded 
that if one of the stolen-electrolyte-caps was going to go bad, it already has 
done so in the last 7 years or so. That doesn't mean the remaining 
stolen-recipe caps won't go bad in the future. Look at all the G5 iMacs that 
worked fine during and even after the official Apple bad-cap replacement 
program, then failed. But I suspect any original 2004-2005 or so stolen-recipe 
cap that's still in use would have failed by now if it were going to do so.

Still, the main difficulty in replacing caps as a hobbyist -- advanced or 
otherwise -- is the lack of a proper professional-grade solder work station. It 
is godawful hard -- impossible I wager -- to get the no-lead high-temp solder 
Apple used in G5 iMacs to melt adequately during cap removal and replacement 
using consumer-grade soldering equipment. This causes iffy solder joints 
inside the holes, even if the solder adheres to the pads on the surface. 

HTH,

Jim Scott

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-03 Thread Kris Tilford

On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:43 PM, faithie999 wrote:


None of the caps are visibly damaged, but I know that doesn't mean
that one or more aren't faulty.


If none are popped, I don't think it's likely the problem.

I'd look for something else. It sounds a lot like a bad power supply,  
which you can check with a multimeter.


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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-02 Thread Clark Martin

On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote:
 
 a friend gave me a dead iMac 17 G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
 when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
 second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
 the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
 there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
 then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
 re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.
 
 
 Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power 
 supply and/or logic board.
 
 http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=capacitor+replacement+G5+iMacie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
 
 Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you.

I received a 20 G5 (no iSight) for free because it had the same or similar 
symptoms.  I replaced all the power supply caps on the logic board and replaced 
the power supply.  All is well with it now.  

Replacing the caps isn't simple as they use lead free solder which has a higher 
melting point.  Unless you are skilled at soldering your best bet is to find a 
service to change them.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-02 Thread faithie999
which are the power supply caps on the logic board?  there are
probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
the smaller ones?

i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
look doable.

none of the caps, either on the logic board or the power supply, are
bulging or otherwise look damaged, but i know they can be damaged
internally without any external symptoms

thanks

ken



On Jan 2, 3:15 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote:
 On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:











  On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote:

  a friend gave me a dead iMac 17 G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
  when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
  second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
  the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
  there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
  then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
  re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.

  Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power 
  supply and/or logic board.

  http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=capacitor+replace...

  Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you.

 I received a 20 G5 (no iSight) for free because it had the same or similar 
 symptoms.  I replaced all the power supply caps on the logic board and 
 replaced the power supply.  All is well with it now.

 Replacing the caps isn't simple as they use lead free solder which has a 
 higher melting point.  Unless you are skilled at soldering your best bet is 
 to find a service to change them.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:03 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 which are the power supply caps on the logic board?  there are
 probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

Follow the links I sent, or google G5 iMac capacitor replacement.

If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the whole thing, 
Power supply and logic board.


 
 as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
 the smaller ones?

Only the big can-like ones

 
 i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
 the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
 look doable.
 

Actually the larger ones are easier to remove.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-02 Thread JohnV


On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


Follow the links I sent, or google G5 iMac capacitor replacement.

If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the  
whole thing, Power supply and logic board.




Is this valid for a mid-2005 PPC dual core G5 tower?

or even a 2009 macbook pro

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-02 Thread Clark Martin

On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:03 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 which are the power supply caps on the logic board?  there are
 probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

Roughly in the center bottom of the logic board are several groups of caps 
(1000uF, 16V IIRC), about 10-12 caps in a group.  I think there are about 4 
groups.

 
 as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
 the smaller ones?

I replaced the power supply.  I started out replacing the caps but ran into a 
snag but I don't remember what it was.

The power supply is trickier as the caps are stuffed in tighter and glued 
together.  And they are often surrounded by other components that you don't 
want to remove.

 
 i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
 the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
 look doable.
 
 none of the caps, either on the logic board or the power supply, are
 bulging or otherwise look damaged, but i know they can be damaged
 internally without any external symptoms

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:20 PM, JohnV wrote:

 
 On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 
 Follow the links I sent, or google G5 iMac capacitor replacement.
 
 If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the whole thing, 
 Power supply and logic board.
 
 
 Is this valid for a mid-2005 PPC dual core G5 tower?
 
 or even a 2009 macbook pro


No. Neither.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague 


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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2012-01-01 Thread faithie999
thanks--i'll take it apart and have a look

ken





On Dec 31 2011, 6:45 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote:

  a friend gave me a dead iMac 17 G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
  when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
  second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
  the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
  there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
  then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
  re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.

 Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power 
 supply and/or logic board.

 http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=capacitor+replace...

 Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you.

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 Bruce Johnson

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iMac G5 won't power on

2011-12-31 Thread faithie999
a friend gave me a dead iMac 17 G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.

any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?  i did some googling, and there
is a link to an apple support doc for this problem for a non-isight
model (describes taking rear cover off, which clearly can't be done
with the isight model) but nothing other than uninformed speculation
on message boards about the isight G5.  i have dissassembled it and
looked for power supply diagnostic LED's but if they are there they're
not obvious.

thanks in advance for any ideas

ken

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

2011-12-31 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote:

 a friend gave me a dead iMac 17 G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
 when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
 second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
 the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
 there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
 then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
 re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.


Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power 
supply and/or logic board.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=capacitor+replacement+G5+iMacie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8

Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you.


-- 
Bruce Johnson

Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai,  PhD

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