Re: [Audyssey] GMA games news
Multiplayer shades? How the heck would that work? But mp gtc, I can see that - teams and such... and lander? Sounds great! Tell david that I'll be glad to help with anything I can -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 01 June 2012 01:12 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] GMA games news Hi Folks, I got this news from the GMA games list: From: David Greenwood davidgreenw...@rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:54 AM What I am working on: 1. Preparing Time of Conflict 2.0 for release. The date will be dependant on sign off by the beta team. 2. Changes to the MP Server to handle Shades of Doom and Tank Commander. 3. A maintenance release of VIP Mud. 4. A maintenance release of Tank Commander and Shades of Doom. The big changes are more accurate sound direction, and the games now using the folder structures introduced in Vista through Windows 8. 5. I'll decide on the rest of the projects depending on how the previous four go. Probably a Lone Wolf Maintenance release is in order here as well. This is the point where I decide whether to do multi-player Shades of Doom and Tank Commander, or release another game that I've been thinking of. There are two free games that are completed and are just waiting to be cleaned up for distribution. 1. Magic Square Music. This is similar to the four by four puzzle that was populare years ago, but this is a 7 by 4 puzzle containing 27 (4 times 7 minus 1) snippets of any Mp3 song from your library. You must move the snippets around like the squares in that old puzzle to put your song in order. Once it order, it will play the song in its entirety. I'll release it once I can stop myself playing it. 2. GMA Lander. Remember the old moon lander? GMA Lander allows you to land on Venus, Mars, Earth, and of course the moon. You can also create your own planets and ship resources and capabilities. You only have one key to remember which turns on your retro rockets and turns them off when you release the key. The challenge is knowing when and how long to burn your engines. If you land any faster than a speed of 5 feet per second...Ka boom!. The concept is simple, gravity speeds you up at an ever increasing rate while your rockets slow you down. You only have a limited amount of fuel so use it wisely. I'll probably release one at the same time as Time of Conflict, and the other with the maintenance releases. When I release the games as a maintenance release, they will include automatic key replacement functionality. I could give more information, but people want firm dates and that I can not give. For example, TOC is almost ready to go, but the beta testers found it hard to get together with each other for an on-line game and so it looked like I needed to build a scheduling system which I am working on right now. Multi-player Tank Commander and Shades of Doom are huge jobs, and the rewrite of 70,000 lines of code for the engine will take two years at least, and this depends on me doing nothing else. Regards, David Greenwood, davidgreenw...@gmagames.com http://www.GMAGames.com ** Scanned by MailScan AntiVirus and Content Security Software. Visit http://www.escanav.com for more info on eScan and X-Spam. ** --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5038 - Release Date: 06/01/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss
Hi all, I used to play alter aeon, but found it very hard to xp. My two main characters, Deborah and Tina, are quite high level, and I struggle to find areas to xp any more, and when I xp, I die, has anyone got any advice? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, Actually, as I recall Tootle Tiles from APH is basically the same concept as Mahjong. So there is one example of an accessible Mahjong game that I know of. :D Cheers! On 6/1/2012 3:49 PM, dark wrote: Hi Nancy. I'm afraid there is no accessible mahjong that I have heard of, and only one version of draughts, (or checkers as it's known in the states), included on I believe volume 4 of the games from www.azabat.co.ukk, though these are fairly expensive, and (in my own opinion), a little too simplistic for the price unfortunately, but they do have a demo cd available for you to try for yourself, which I'm sure they wouldn't mind posting outside the uk. Still, your welcome to check them out. It's actually a shame Ian humphries never did a draughts/checkers game, or mahjong, especially sinse I have no idea how to play mahjong but would be interested to learn :D. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss
Well you could create new characters that's one option. the other is to ask around on the mud and get advice as to what areas are good for you to exp in. That's the problem with most muds now, finding places to exp when you get to certain levels. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss
hi, i've managed it just find a set of areas that work run those then when the xp gets dented go do something else that earns xp or xp in a group -- From: Lindsay Cowell lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:54 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss Hi all, I used to play alter aeon, but found it very hard to xp. My two main characters, Deborah and Tina, are quite high level, and I struggle to find areas to xp any more, and when I xp, I die, has anyone got any advice? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch.
Hi Michael, As far as I am aware the hard level is basically shooting at enemies from five directions instead of three. Otherwise the difficulty settings are more or less identical. This is one area where I believe the games fall short, and why they have little replay value beyond the first couple of games. Cheers! On 6/1/2012 11:10 PM, michael barnes wrote: Hey, I have been playing the Bavisoft games on the hard level. However I was wondering when you beat them on the hard level besides the way they have the shooting part setup, is there any difference between the two level? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch.
Nope, unfortunately not, you don't get a different ending or anything, which is a little disappointing. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:10 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch. Hey, I have been playing the Bavisoft games on the hard level. However I was wondering when you beat them on the hard level besides the way they have the shooting part setup, is there any difference between the two level? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, Actually, as I recall Tootle Tiles from APH is basically the same concept as Mahjong. So there is one example of an accessible Mahjong game that I know of. :D Cheers! On 6/1/2012 3:49 PM, dark wrote: Hi Nancy. I'm afraid there is no accessible mahjong that I have heard of, and only one version of draughts, (or checkers as it's known in the states), included on I believe volume 4 of the games from www.azabat.co.ukk, though these are fairly expensive, and (in my own opinion), a little too simplistic for the price unfortunately, but they do have a demo cd available for you to try for yourself, which I'm sure they wouldn't mind posting outside the uk. Still, your welcome to check them out. It's actually a shame Ian humphries never did a draughts/checkers game, or mahjong, especially sinse I have no idea how to play mahjong but would be interested to learn :D. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] My issue with muds, discuss
Hi. That's great, in fact I just went back to the nurgling mound to read the descriptions of all the aggressive monsters. very nasty! thanks for the change that will make bosses and creatures a lot more fun. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My issue with muds, discuss Dark, I've added the 'review' command we talked about. Let me know if that works the way you'd expect. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Tootle Tiles? Wow. It sounds like a kid's game. Smile Actually, mahjong is usually a four player game. And there are many variations, from Chinese official to American to Japanese riichi. One of the complexities in many versions is the number of fan, or ways to score points. In Chinese official there are 81 different ways. I did find a mahjong dictionary in the iPhone app store that is very readable. It gives you information on how to achieve each of these 81 scoring options. You can also score your hand with it. I may contact the author to ask that he make that part accessible as well. But it isn't the game itself, but more a tool for those playing the game. I'd like to be able to play against the computer or against human opponents as others do. Thanks. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, Actually, as I recall Tootle Tiles from APH is basically the same concept as Mahjong. So there is one example of an accessible Mahjong game that I know of. :D Cheers! On 6/1/2012 3:49 PM, dark wrote: Hi Nancy. I'm afraid there is no accessible mahjong that I have heard of, and only one version of draughts, (or checkers as it's known in the states), included on I believe volume 4 of the games from www.azabat.co.ukk, though these are fairly expensive, and (in my own opinion), a little too simplistic for the price unfortunately, but they do have a demo cd available for you to try for yourself, which I'm sure they wouldn't mind posting outside the uk. Still, your welcome to check them out. It's actually a shame Ian humphries never did a draughts/checkers game, or mahjong, especially sinse I have no idea how to play mahjong but would be interested to learn :D. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi. Sounds fascinating, and I really doubt toodle tiles got even a quarter of those rules in, then again, aph weren'texactly known for complex games, or games that really were aimed at adults (indeed even their documentation is to a sighted teacher or care assistant of a blind person). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Tootle Tiles? Wow. It sounds like a kid's game. Smile Actually, mahjong is usually a four player game. And there are many variations, from Chinese official to American to Japanese riichi. One of the complexities in many versions is the number of fan, or ways to score points. In Chinese official there are 81 different ways. I did find a mahjong dictionary in the iPhone app store that is very readable. It gives you information on how to achieve each of these 81 scoring options. You can also score your hand with it. I may contact the author to ask that he make that part accessible as well. But it isn't the game itself, but more a tool for those playing the game. I'd like to be able to play against the computer or against human opponents as others do. Thanks. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, Actually, as I recall Tootle Tiles from APH is basically the same concept as Mahjong. So there is one example of an accessible Mahjong game that I know of. :D Cheers! On 6/1/2012 3:49 PM, dark wrote: Hi Nancy. I'm afraid there is no accessible mahjong that I have heard of, and only one version of draughts, (or checkers as it's known in the states), included on I believe volume 4 of the games from www.azabat.co.ukk, though these are fairly expensive, and (in my own opinion), a little too simplistic for the price unfortunately, but they do have a demo cd available for you to try for yourself, which I'm sure they wouldn't mind posting outside the uk. Still, your welcome to check them out. It's actually a shame Ian humphries never did a draughts/checkers game, or mahjong, especially sinse I have no idea how to play mahjong but would be interested to learn :D. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, I suspect that they probably didn't even try. The more I think about it, the likelier it seems that Tootle Tiles is probably just another of the mahjong tile matching games, which isn't the same thing. Please Note: That's just my guess. I haven't checked out the game to know, it's just one of those suspicions I have. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi. Sounds fascinating, and I really doubt toodle tiles got even a quarter of those rules in, then again, aph weren'texactly known for complex games, or games that really were aimed at adults (indeed even their documentation is to a sighted teacher or care assistant of a blind person). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Tootle Tiles? Wow. It sounds like a kid's game. Smile Actually, mahjong is usually a four player game. And there are many variations, from Chinese official to American to Japanese riichi. One of the complexities in many versions is the number of fan, or ways to score points. In Chinese official there are 81 different ways. I did find a mahjong dictionary in the iPhone app store that is very readable. It gives you information on how to achieve each of these 81 scoring options. You can also score your hand with it. I may contact the author to ask that he make that part accessible as well. But it isn't the game itself, but more a tool for those playing the game. I'd like to be able to play against the computer or against human opponents as others do. Thanks. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, Actually, as I recall Tootle Tiles from APH is basically the same concept as Mahjong. So there is one example of an accessible Mahjong game that I know of. :D Cheers! On 6/1/2012 3:49 PM, dark wrote: Hi Nancy. I'm afraid there is no accessible mahjong that I have heard of, and only one version of draughts, (or checkers as it's known in the states), included on I believe volume 4 of the games from www.azabat.co.ukk, though these are fairly expensive, and (in my own opinion), a little too simplistic for the price unfortunately, but they do have a demo cd available for you to try for yourself, which I'm sure they wouldn't mind posting outside the uk. Still, your welcome to check them out. It's actually a shame Ian humphries never did a draughts/checkers game, or mahjong, especially sinse I have no idea how to play mahjong but would be interested to learn :D. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and
[Audyssey] Saturday's Out-Of-Sight events
Here are the events scheduled for Saturday, June 2nd: The Conversation Piece 12:00 PM eastern Hosted by Paul Location: The Doughnut Shop Hello and good day to you all. This is Paul from Baltimore wishing to host a general chat scheduled for today, Saturday from noon to 1:00 PM eastern. I would like to call it the Conversation Peace. We will discuss just about anything in good taste from technology to travel to whatever is on the minds of the participants. Zilch 2:00 PM eastern Hosted by Patti. Location: Come Roll Them Dice Roll the dice and take your chances! Try to snag as many points as possible but you better know when to quit otherwise, you'll lose it all and Zilch out! Join us for this exciting dice game that's real simple to play and its loads of fun. Be sure to arrive early to grab a seat, otherwise, you can join the studio audience and root on the players. On Stage 8:00 PM eastern Hosted by Lee Richards Location: On Stage Join us this evening and showcase your talent by either playing an instrument, singing, reciting poetry, etc. If you would just like to be a member of the audience and listen to these talented performers, that is fine, too! You won't want to miss your fellow friends as they showcase their talent! Zilch 10:00 PM eastern Hosted by Patti W. Location: Come Roll Them Dice Roll the dice and take your chances! Try to snag as many points as possible but you better know when to quit otherwise, you'll lose it all and Zilch out! Join us for this exciting dice game that's real simple to play and its loads of fun. Be sure to arrive early to grab a seat, otherwise, you can join the studio audience and root on the players. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch.
Can't you tell by playing the different levels if there is a difference? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch. Hey, I have been playing the Bavisoft games on the hard level. However I was wondering when you beat them on the hard level besides the way they have the shooting part setup, is there any difference between the two level? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Perilous Hearts
It will be released when it is released. Questions like this one only slow development. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Perilous Hearts Hey, what I would like to know is does anyone know when the full version will be release? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch.
i think you have five directions rather than three to aim your gun. left, centre left, centre, near right, far right. and not sure what else On 2 Jun 2012, at 15:51, Charles Rivard wrote: Can't you tell by playing the different levels if there is a difference? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch. Hey, I have been playing the Bavisoft games on the hard level. However I was wondering when you beat them on the hard level besides the way they have the shooting part setup, is there any difference between the two level? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Perilous Hearts
Hi, Not only that, but even if those kinds of questions has no effect on the developer's schedule they are still none-the-less irritating. People forget that audio game developers often do this sort of thing as a side job, a hobby, and therefore they maybe work on it two or three hours a day if that with little to no pay. So it gets to be annoying when people constantly ask when will it be done? On 6/2/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: It will be released when it is released. Questions like this one only slow development. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that doesn't really help any visually impared players who want to either play, or learn the game. This is a shame. I learned Euchre and spades from the blind adrenaline versions, and really enjoy eucher, and I learnt backgammon from the pontes backgammon game and have just bought a tactile board to play with friends, so a computerized accessible Mahjong would also be a nice way to introduce the game to people like myself who hadn't played it before but might well enjoy it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch.
There really isn't except for the combat. Life, don't talk to me about life. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch. Can't you tell by playing the different levels if there is a difference? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Quick question on Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch. Hey, I have been playing the Bavisoft games on the hard level. However I was wondering when you beat them on the hard level besides the way they have the shooting part setup, is there any difference between the two level? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, You are probably right. I've never played Toodle Tiles myself, but by the childish sounding name I seriously doubt it is anything like Mahjong despite what their documentation says. APH always strikes me as treating blind users as either extremely old, or just barely above infantile. So its probably not what we expect. However, as for writing a Mahjong game I don't have a good enough grasp of the game to develop it myself without some research. However, Linux has a couple of good open source versions which I might hack for an accessible Mahjong game. If I can get the basic rules/mechanics and the AI used I could in theory build a Windows version with Sapi support. Cheers! On 6/2/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that doesn't really help any visually impared players who want to either play, or learn the game. This is a shame. I learned Euchre and spades from the blind adrenaline versions, and really enjoy eucher, and I learnt backgammon from the pontes backgammon game and have just bought a tactile board to play with friends, so a computerized accessible Mahjong would also be a nice way to introduce the game to people like myself who hadn't played it before but might well enjoy it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
It's not an oxymoron, accept that it is! :D. I think however what was meant here is that Mahjong follows a similar basic structure to rummy in that players take turns exchanging or disguarding cards (tyles), in order to get some predetermined goal in their hand, which is also the basic structure of 31's (also called stop the bus), and some similar games. I suspect though in Mahjong, the method by which the exchange and disgarding happens, the targit scoring hands and indeed how they are scored are rather different from those in rummy. I could be wrong, I just remember hereing somewhere that mahjong did involve exchange, disgard and scoring type gameplay. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
LOL. The core technique is similar. On your turn, you draw a tile from the wall, which is similar to the face down draw pile for a game of rummy. You then look at it and see if it fits into the pattern you're trying to create with your current tiles. If it does, keep it, otherwise discard it, unless you think someone else is collecting that tile, then discard something else. In rummy, you can also normally draw the top card from the discard pile. In mahjong, you can only draw the last tile discarded if it does one of a few things: would create a three of a kind or four of a kind for you, or create a chow (sequence of three), but only if it was discarded by the player who drew just before you, and not either of the other two players. In rummy, you normally form either three or four of a kind, or sequences. In mahjong, you do much of this, too, but there are 81 ways to score points, including hands that are composed entirely of green tiles, or a hand of seven pairs, etc. Does this help, or make it clear as mud? Nancy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, What is also ironic is that mahjong is not an ancient game. This misconception isn't spread just by APH, though; we see it in much of the literature of mahjong. It actually came into being in the 1850's in China, and was brought to the U.S. in about 1910. There's actually a good book from Bookshare on the game. It's written by Tom Sloper, and is called The Red Dragon and the West Wind, I believe. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that doesn't really help any visually impared players who want to either play, or learn the game. This is a shame. I learned Euchre and spades from the blind adrenaline versions, and really enjoy eucher, and I learnt backgammon from the pontes backgammon game and have just bought a tactile board to play with friends, so a computerized accessible Mahjong would also be a nice way to introduce the game to people like myself who hadn't played it before but might well enjoy it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, Hmmm...Good point.All of APH's games are aimed at young children, and I don't believe they had older blind individuals like you and in mind. Considering the possible age groupe for Tootle Tiles its probably a simple or child's version of the game. Cheers! On 6/2/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Sounds fascinating, and I really doubt toodle tiles got even a quarter of those rules in, then again, aph weren'texactly known for complex games, or games that really were aimed at adults (indeed even their documentation is to a sighted teacher or care assistant of a blind person). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Well, although mud is more clear at a first going over, this does sound interesting. The first thought is 81 ways to score? Sheesh! Much more complicated than pinochle! (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong LOL. The core technique is similar. On your turn, you draw a tile from the wall, which is similar to the face down draw pile for a game of rummy. You then look at it and see if it fits into the pattern you're trying to create with your current tiles. If it does, keep it, otherwise discard it, unless you think someone else is collecting that tile, then discard something else. In rummy, you can also normally draw the top card from the discard pile. In mahjong, you can only draw the last tile discarded if it does one of a few things: would create a three of a kind or four of a kind for you, or create a chow (sequence of three), but only if it was discarded by the player who drew just before you, and not either of the other two players. In rummy, you normally form either three or four of a kind, or sequences. In mahjong, you do much of this, too, but there are 81 ways to score points, including hands that are composed entirely of green tiles, or a hand of seven pairs, etc. Does this help, or make it clear as mud? Nancy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Nancy. Unfortunately bookshare isn't available in the Uk, so I can't read that book, it is however interesting that the conception of the game as ancient isn't entirely wrong. Just one question, if you are making a pattern, which presumably you actually lay out in front of you, couldn't people see what you are doing, and so not disgard something? and if you can only take a disgard when it will be helpful, and not for instance on the basis that you have one of another type and want a paire, isn't it quite obvious what your looking for? Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, What is also ironic is that mahjong is not an ancient game. This misconception isn't spread just by APH, though; we see it in much of the literature of mahjong. It actually came into being in the 1850's in China, and was brought to the U.S. in about 1910. There's actually a good book from Bookshare on the game. It's written by Tom Sloper, and is called The Red Dragon and the West Wind, I believe. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that doesn't really help any visually impared players who want to either play, or learn the game. This is a shame. I learned Euchre and spades from the blind adrenaline versions, and really enjoy eucher, and I learnt backgammon from the pontes backgammon game and have just bought a tactile board to play with friends, so a computerized accessible Mahjong would also be a nice way to introduce the game to people like myself who hadn't played it before but might well enjoy it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] QuentinC's playroom news: new game: Rami/rummy
Hello everybody, This short news to let you know that the playroom includes now the game called Rami or Rummy. It's a quite popular game in which you have to make combination such as three of a kind or straights to get rid of your cards as fast as possible. It's still in beta, so don't hesitate to report bugs using F2 key or on the forum. As usual, you can download the latest version of the playroom client, manage your account, etc. on the website: http://qcsalon.net/ Have fun ! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, That makes two of us. I've never gotten the APH games to run either. However, I do believe they were written several years ago, and don't think they are being actively maintained by the developer. I'm not sure if this is intentional or ignorance on APH's part. Last time I looked at them I recall the specs were for a Windows 98 machine. Obviously, that would be a big reason for them not running on modern PCs. Comparatively speaking Windows 98 is to Windows 7 as record players are to CD players. So much has changed under the hood that many older games wont run correctly unless they are updated to meet the current changes in technology. That is the bane of any developer's existance, because sooner or later an application needs to be updated or rewritten to meet current changes in spec. In this case the games don't even seem to run well on Windows XP. I've got a relatively newer desktop from 2007 or so running XP SP3 and the games won't even run on that let alone my new laptop running Windows 7. So I think a major upgrade is in order for the APH games. Cheers! On 6/2/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Perilous Hearts
Nice one Brian, that did it. Turns out Jim is only into finest boar meat, I was trying to eat a monkey for fun. Finished the demo now. There are a couple of tweaks I'd like to see done to the mechanics, but overall I'm already getting excited about playing the full version! Scott On 6/2/12, bpeterson2...@cableone.net bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: S P O I L E R What you need to do is kill a boar, pick up the corpse and use your knife to skin it. You'll come up with cold meat cuts. Then head right till you find some bushes. Use the matchs on the bushes, then use the meat cuts on the resulting fire to create boar steak. Then just head right to the waterfall to end the level. Life, don't talk to me about life. -Original Message- From: Scott Chesworth Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 7:08 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Perilous Hearts Tonight, I remembered to check out the Perilous Hearts concept demo (better late than never eh). Crazily good sound design and mechanics from what I've played so far! I just have three questions, the first of them more aimed at Philip, but I know he pops in here from time to time so... 1. Love the idea of gradually increasing from a walk to a run, feels and sounds very natural. For maximum realism, could you make it so that when an angry animal is within striking distance or very close to it, your speed increases bringing you to a run quicker? Either that, or a sequence such as CTRL and three fast taps on the direction you want to head in makes a fast dash. To stop it from unbalancing the game, you could make it so that too many consequitive dashes trips Jim over or something. Just think it'd add to the realism, as useless as I'd no doubt be against an angry chimp, I'm pretty sure I'd instinctively do the human version of naught to sixty a lot quicker than if I wasn't in any immediate danger of being ripped limb from limb. 2. Anyone figured out how to get down the waterfall safely yet? I can make it there unscathed now, but can't for the life of me figure out how to get any further. 3. How do you use the matches on things? I can drop 'em and pick 'em up, but haven't figured out how to do much more than that with them. Enter just tells me not to waste them. Cheers Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Tom: You say that Comparatively speaking Windows 98 is to Windows 7 as record players are to CD players. They're not the same? They both play circular disks, don't they? (ornery grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, That makes two of us. I've never gotten the APH games to run either. However, I do believe they were written several years ago, and don't think they are being actively maintained by the developer. I'm not sure if this is intentional or ignorance on APH's part. Last time I looked at them I recall the specs were for a Windows 98 machine. Obviously, that would be a big reason for them not running on modern PCs. Comparatively speaking Windows 98 is to Windows 7 as record players are to CD players. So much has changed under the hood that many older games wont run correctly unless they are updated to meet the current changes in technology. That is the bane of any developer's existance, because sooner or later an application needs to be updated or rewritten to meet current changes in spec. In this case the games don't even seem to run well on Windows XP. I've got a relatively newer desktop from 2007 or so running XP SP3 and the games won't even run on that let alone my new laptop running Windows 7. So I think a major upgrade is in order for the APH games. Cheers! On 6/2/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss
Lindsay, I feel your pain. Your characters are in one of the level ranges that we know is weak, and while we're working to add more areas around that level, it can be hard if you don't know what you're doing. I actually wrote an article on this a couple of years ago: http://www.alteraeon.com/articles/experience-runs-on-archais.html The level ranges in that article aren't quite accurate anymore - most of the areas have been raised in level, so be careful going to them. The article also doesn't include the stuff in the new dark forest, which I found hugely helpful. Please let me know if any of those work out better for you, or if the guide is too out of date to be useful. Thanks, Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Lindsay Cowell lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi all, I used to play alter aeon, but found it very hard to xp. My two main characters, Deborah and Tina, are quite high level, and I struggle to find areas to xp any more, and when I xp, I die, has anyone got any advice? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Charles, Smile. And that's about it. The shape of the record and the CD may be the same, but the actual mechanics of how they work is totally different. A phonograph follows the grooves in the record with a needle producing an analog reproduction of the sound/music. A CD player uses a laser to read the bumps and lines on the disc to render a digital reproduction of the sound. The changes in the Windows OS over the last 14 years is in its own way almost as dramatic comparatively speaking. In 1998 a developer wishing to make his/her application accessible to screen readers would use Microsoft Active Accessibility, MSAA, which is now deprecated. As of Windows 7 and Windows 8 Microsoft has a new API called UI Automation that largely replaces MSAA and is the new accessibility model all Windows screen readers must follow to use Windows 7 and Windows 8 applications. DirectX technology has changed as well. When Win 98 was released it shipped with DirectX 7, but all of those libraries have been largely replaced with different ones. DirectDraw has been replaced by Direct3D 11, DirectSound with XAudio2, and it looks like XInput will eventually replace DirectInput for input handling. Therefore DirectX is totally diffrent from the Win 9x era games and applications. In 98 Visual Basic 6 was considered to be the beginner/entry level programming language for Windows programmers. Obviously as of Windows 7 the Visual Basic libraries are no longer a part of the OS, and has been replaced by the .NET Framework and languages like C# .NET and Visual Basic .NET. While it is technically possible to still use VB 6 its not recommended as Windows 7 and Windows 8 is all geared for .NET development. That's just the beginning. I haven't even began to talk about changes in the interface like the removal of the menu bars, tool bars, and the introduction of the menu ribbons or the fact in Windows 8 the Start Menu has been completely removed and has been replaced by the Metro screen. As of Windows 8 you now have programs, full blown programs, and apps, little applets, that run in the background. The apps are small little programs like weather reports, stock tickers, rss feeds,and even a stripped down version of Internet Explorer for checking web mail, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Bottom line, Windows has evolved quite a lot in the last 14 years, and both the UI and even the libraries/components that make up the OS is totally different from Windows 98. There is a certain amount of old libraries and components left around for backwards compatibility but eventually it will all get tossed out in favor of the new stuff.Just like what happened to peoples records and 45s when everyone decided to switch to CD players instead. Cheers! On 6/2/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Tom: You say that Comparatively speaking Windows 98 is to Windows 7 as record players are to CD players. They're not the same? They both play circular disks, don't they? (ornery grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Charles, Yes, more complicated than pinochle, but oh, I'd love an accessible pinochle game that I could play against others. That would be awesome. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:31 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Well, although mud is more clear at a first going over, this does sound interesting. The first thought is 81 ways to score? Sheesh! Much more complicated than pinochle! (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong LOL. The core technique is similar. On your turn, you draw a tile from the wall, which is similar to the face down draw pile for a game of rummy. You then look at it and see if it fits into the pattern you're trying to create with your current tiles. If it does, keep it, otherwise discard it, unless you think someone else is collecting that tile, then discard something else. In rummy, you can also normally draw the top card from the discard pile. In mahjong, you can only draw the last tile discarded if it does one of a few things: would create a three of a kind or four of a kind for you, or create a chow (sequence of three), but only if it was discarded by the player who drew just before you, and not either of the other two players. In rummy, you normally form either three or four of a kind, or sequences. In mahjong, you do much of this, too, but there are 81 ways to score points, including hands that are composed entirely of green tiles, or a hand of seven pairs, etc. Does this help, or make it clear as mud? Nancy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, You are exactly right. When I teach a new game to someone, I begin by trying to compare it to something they know. If they're familiar with rummy, then it's a bit less overwhelming to learn mahjong, because you have points of familiarity. So it isn't really an oxymoron, because I think of those as two opposing concepts: military and intelligence always being the first thing to come to mind. So I was just trying to start with a familiar concept, and then if I were going to teach someone the game, we'd start to explore how mahjong differed from rummy. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:23 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong It's not an oxymoron, accept that it is! :D. I think however what was meant here is that Mahjong follows a similar basic structure to rummy in that players take turns exchanging or disguarding cards (tyles), in order to get some predetermined goal in their hand, which is also the basic structure of 31's (also called stop the bus), and some similar games. I suspect though in Mahjong, the method by which the exchange and disgarding happens, the targit scoring hands and indeed how they are scored are rather different from those in rummy. I could be wrong, I just remember hereing somewhere that mahjong did involve exchange, disgard and scoring type gameplay. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Thomas, I'd be delighted if you developed an accessible mahjong game. I think it would be great fun to play, and quite a nice digression from the games I so often see available. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:23 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, You are probably right. I've never played Toodle Tiles myself, but by the childish sounding name I seriously doubt it is anything like Mahjong despite what their documentation says. APH always strikes me as treating blind users as either extremely old, or just barely above infantile. So its probably not what we expect. However, as for writing a Mahjong game I don't have a good enough grasp of the game to develop it myself without some research. However, Linux has a couple of good open source versions which I might hack for an accessible Mahjong game. If I can get the basic rules/mechanics and the AI used I could in theory build a Windows version with Sapi support. Cheers! On 6/2/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that doesn't really help any visually impared players who want to either play, or learn the game. This is a shame. I learned Euchre and spades from the blind adrenaline versions, and really enjoy eucher, and I learnt backgammon from the pontes backgammon game and have just bought a tactile board to play with friends, so a computerized accessible Mahjong would also be a nice way to introduce the game to people like myself who hadn't played it before but might well enjoy it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi Dark, Good questions. The tiles stand on their ends facing you. It isn't at all precarious because the tiles are fairly thick, and so are steady and won't topple over. A sighted person just scans their tiles and organizes them how they wish. Most of the time your hand is concealed, so no one else can see the tiles because they're facing you. You receive more points when you go out if all of your tiles have remained concealed. But if I call for someone's discard, then I must display the tiles in my hand that match the tile I just called for. Now I turn the tiles that I had to reveal so that everyone can see them, but I don't have to reveal the rest of my hand. This is one reason that many players don't call for discarded tiles; they must reveal that portion of the hand that would use them, and they get fewer points if they match all of their tiles because a portion of their hand is now displayed. By the way, I am currently playing mahjong with cards. Most sighted people don't use the cards unless they're traveling, and cannot conveniently carry a mahjong set. The mahjong set I just bought weighs about 18 pounds and might fit in a backpack. My intent is to use Dymo tape to Braille the top of the tiles so that I can just draw my finger across the top of the tiles. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:31 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Nancy. Unfortunately bookshare isn't available in the Uk, so I can't read that book, it is however interesting that the conception of the game as ancient isn't entirely wrong. Just one question, if you are making a pattern, which presumably you actually lay out in front of you, couldn't people see what you are doing, and so not disgard something? and if you can only take a disgard when it will be helpful, and not for instance on the basis that you have one of another type and want a paire, isn't it quite obvious what your looking for? Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, What is also ironic is that mahjong is not an ancient game. This misconception isn't spread just by APH, though; we see it in much of the literature of mahjong. It actually came into being in the 1850's in China, and was brought to the U.S. in about 1910. There's actually a good book from Bookshare on the game. It's written by Tom Sloper, and is called The Red Dragon and the West Wind, I believe. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that doesn't really help any visually impared players who want to either play, or learn the game. This is a shame. I learned Euchre and spades from the blind adrenaline versions, and really enjoy eucher, and I learnt backgammon from the pontes backgammon game and have just bought a tactile board to play with friends, so a computerized accessible Mahjong would also be a nice way to introduce the game to people like myself who hadn't played it before but might well enjoy it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi tom. I've never had the games running, on any of my xp machines going right back to 2006 when I investigated every audio game I could lay my hands on, let alone windows 7 or further. I should probably put notes on their db entry pages that they pretty much are unrunable now, and maybe change their license to unknown as well, sinse if nobody can run their demos, nobody can buy their games either. then again, I don't think this is really such a major loss, sinse from the docs the games seemed really simplistic, even for games aimed at children (mudsplat was at least engaging with features and cool music even if the difficulty was reduced), plus from what I've heard their design was very flawed, with for instance creatures saying left left left or right right right in center of the sterrio field, instead of using any sort of positional audio or even reasonable indicators, as though blind people need constant spoken direction. So, I'm not going to lose too much sleep about not running those games. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, That makes two of us. I've never gotten the APH games to run either. However, I do believe they were written several years ago, and don't think they are being actively maintained by the developer. I'm not sure if this is intentional or ignorance on APH's part. Last time I looked at them I recall the specs were for a Windows 98 machine. Obviously, that would be a big reason for them not running on modern PCs. Comparatively speaking Windows 98 is to Windows 7 as record players are to CD players. So much has changed under the hood that many older games wont run correctly unless they are updated to meet the current changes in technology. That is the bane of any developer's existance, because sooner or later an application needs to be updated or rewritten to meet current changes in spec. In this case the games don't even seem to run well on Windows XP. I've got a relatively newer desktop from 2007 or so running XP SP3 and the games won't even run on that let alone my new laptop running Windows 7. So I think a major upgrade is in order for the APH games. Cheers! On 6/2/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Fair enough. I know the game was based on mahjong, but with the sort of childish presentation I wasn't sure how much of the rules actually translated, sinse for a start I believe Mahjong is a two player game, and it's not really as if the aph games are aimed at serious gamers. Also, on every machine I've tried to run the American printing house games on they've crashed on me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss
I've been having something of an issue myself, though the recent rebalancing helped, sinse I no longer worried why I was getting my level 24 or 25 self beaten up in blackwater hollows or the djinni school, which is now I believe an lvl 27 area. I did get a little tired of spamming the viking village, nurgling mound and north swamp, but that seems to be improving now, and hopefully once I fix my equipment it will be better still, plus I need to check out the dark forest, (I've been to the wyvern forest and the rogue's forest north of dragontooth). . I'm really looking forward to those elemental planes areas, they look lovely to explore. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
I've heard of pinacle, but have no idea how it's played or what you do in it, though I do enjoy a card game so I wouldn't mind finding out either. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Charles, Yes, more complicated than pinochle, but oh, I'd love an accessible pinochle game that I could play against others. That would be awesome. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:31 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Well, although mud is more clear at a first going over, this does sound interesting. The first thought is 81 ways to score? Sheesh! Much more complicated than pinochle! (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong LOL. The core technique is similar. On your turn, you draw a tile from the wall, which is similar to the face down draw pile for a game of rummy. You then look at it and see if it fits into the pattern you're trying to create with your current tiles. If it does, keep it, otherwise discard it, unless you think someone else is collecting that tile, then discard something else. In rummy, you can also normally draw the top card from the discard pile. In mahjong, you can only draw the last tile discarded if it does one of a few things: would create a three of a kind or four of a kind for you, or create a chow (sequence of three), but only if it was discarded by the player who drew just before you, and not either of the other two players. In rummy, you normally form either three or four of a kind, or sequences. In mahjong, you do much of this, too, but there are 81 ways to score points, including hands that are composed entirely of green tiles, or a hand of seven pairs, etc. Does this help, or make it clear as mud? Nancy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong You confuse me with this: Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. So, does it play like Rummy? or not. That's an oxymoronic statement like It's the same, but different. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Actually, you may be thinking of Mahjong solitaire, which I don't want. I don't see any way for a person to play that. Regular mahjong plays a lot like rummy ... except where it doesn't, and there are a lot of ways it doesn't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Ian, Mahjong is a game with various tiles you need to match together like a puzzle. Cheers! what is Mahjong? I am always interested to here about other games. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong
Hi nancy. the precarious comment wasn't about the tiles, it was about the revealing of your hand or not, but actually the way you've explained it makes it sound very strategical, which is good. Brailling stuff is one of my earliest memories of things I did with my mum, various kids and not so kids games from atmsophere to connectivity (which is a fantastic game), so I can distinctly understand brailling the tyles. I think the hardest thing we ever brailled was a set of large size DD dice, though the D20 was the worst as the faces were too small. Of course, that was before I discovered the gma dice program, which is what I used in rp now, but I still have fond memories of playing with my braille dice, actually I wonder if I should get them out and take them to rp games just for old times' sake. BEware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, Good questions. The tiles stand on their ends facing you. It isn't at all precarious because the tiles are fairly thick, and so are steady and won't topple over. A sighted person just scans their tiles and organizes them how they wish. Most of the time your hand is concealed, so no one else can see the tiles because they're facing you. You receive more points when you go out if all of your tiles have remained concealed. But if I call for someone's discard, then I must display the tiles in my hand that match the tile I just called for. Now I turn the tiles that I had to reveal so that everyone can see them, but I don't have to reveal the rest of my hand. This is one reason that many players don't call for discarded tiles; they must reveal that portion of the hand that would use them, and they get fewer points if they match all of their tiles because a portion of their hand is now displayed. By the way, I am currently playing mahjong with cards. Most sighted people don't use the cards unless they're traveling, and cannot conveniently carry a mahjong set. The mahjong set I just bought weighs about 18 pounds and might fit in a backpack. My intent is to use Dymo tape to Braille the top of the tiles so that I can just draw my finger across the top of the tiles. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:31 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Nancy. Unfortunately bookshare isn't available in the Uk, so I can't read that book, it is however interesting that the conception of the game as ancient isn't entirely wrong. Just one question, if you are making a pattern, which presumably you actually lay out in front of you, couldn't people see what you are doing, and so not disgard something? and if you can only take a disgard when it will be helpful, and not for instance on the basis that you have one of another type and want a paire, isn't it quite obvious what your looking for? Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Loravara lorav...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi Dark, What is also ironic is that mahjong is not an ancient game. This misconception isn't spread just by APH, though; we see it in much of the literature of mahjong. It actually came into being in the 1850's in China, and was brought to the U.S. in about 1910. There's actually a good book from Bookshare on the game. It's written by Tom Sloper, and is called The Red Dragon and the West Wind, I believe. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:10 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible Checkers, Mahjong Hi. You mentioned a game called Mahjong solitare. Being a matching game for a single player, I bet toodle tiles is based on the rules of that, rather than the rules of actual mahjong, though it's a little bad that aph claime! it to be based on the ancient chinese game in their documentation. The real problem I think, is none of the programmers who have made really good computer adaptations of other card, board, or puzzle games have experience with Mahjong, it being a much less popular game in the west, so couldn't write an adaptation for the computer, indeed I seem to remember in the faq for the spoonbill games Ian humphries saying that he didn't have enough knolidge of Mahjong to make a Bg version. there are of course plenty of inaccessible ones, indeed I was quite stunned when i viewed the full! list of snes games including Japanese only releases, and found just how many mahjong games were released for the console, but that
[Audyssey] i phone accessible games?
Hi list. I'm looking for accessible games for the I phone. Charles also mentioned a slot machine game. Sounds interesting. I'm looking for these games for my wife Angela's I phone. Thanks much. Jess --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss
Be *very* careful in the outerplanar areas. They are not as low level as their location would suggest. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:14:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon: Discuss I've been having something of an issue myself, though the recent rebalancing helped, sinse I no longer worried why I was getting my level 24 or 25 self beaten up in blackwater hollows or the djinni school, which is now I believe an lvl 27 area. I did get a little tired of spamming the viking village, nurgling mound and north swamp, but that seems to be improving now, and hopefully once I fix my equipment it will be better still, plus I need to check out the dark forest, (I've been to the wyvern forest and the rogue's forest north of dragontooth). . I'm really looking forward to those elemental planes areas, they look lovely to explore. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
