[Audyssey] My thoughts on Papa Sangre II, No Spoilers

2013-11-16 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,

I just want to gush about this game. I think it and the other games by 
Something else are several notches above most other IOS games I’ve played. I 
actually think Papa sangre II is better than the first one. It is even more 
immersive and has more plot twists. I know for sure I’ll be revisiting some of 
my favorite levels. The acting was superb as well.

The only down-side was some sluggishness on my iPod Touch 5. I realize the game 
isn’t optimized for iPod, but I can play it perfectly well.

I’m very much looking forward to similar games by these folks, or some 
contingent of them in any case. Very very nice, superlative job.

Teresa

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Sly,

That was my concern as well. Personally I like forums, but as there is
already a gaming forum we don't really need a second one. Thus I was
interested to know how many members was in favor of keeping the list
all be it from a different server/host.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, sylvester thomas III sylvesterthomastheth...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings Thomas!
 I too would prefere a mailing list to a forum.
 If I want to read a forum I would just go to audiogames.net, no need
 for 2 blind gameing forums.

 Sly's 2 cents

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Cara,

Yeah, I know. I used Google Groups a while back, and their list
management interface was pretty poor accessibility wise. I could do
it, but nowhere as accessible or straight forward as Mailman is.

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:
 Hi again, Thomas,

 Just to clarify, I am talking about the GoogleGroups interface for managing
 groups, not the member interface.

 The management experience at this point is just awful from a blindness
 perspective.

 Thanks,

 Cara :)

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Nicol,

I suppose Freelists.org might be a possibility, but I'm waiting to
hear back from the server admins before I make any final decisions as
to what to do with the list. The one thing I will say is wherever we
take the list has to be able to handle the list traffic. This is a
moderately active list with many messages per day and some of those
free list services aren't able to keep up with heavy list traffic. So
I need to check that out before making a final decision.

Cheers!



On 11/15/13, Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 Hi tom
 I personally prefer a mailing list.
 How about freelists.org?
 I find them very  accessible.
 I am subscribed to the blind tech list at freelists.org.
 I can easily change options such as digest and mail delivery and I don't
 need a password to change options.

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Kelly,

definitely agree. I'm against Yahoo Groups on grounds of
accessibility. Accessibility was one of the main reasons why Raul and
I moved the list away from there, but we also got sick and tired of
the spam and other garbage that went with Yahoo. So as far as I'm
concerned Yahoo Groups is a definite no go.

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, Kelly Sapergia ksaper...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I would prefer to have a mailing list rather than a forum, but I wouldn't go

 with Yahoo Groups anymore as the site has become hard to use ever since they

 switched to a different CMS or something. Lots of sighted people are also
 complaining about it from what I read. I wonder if Freelists might be a
 better option?

 Thanks.

 Yours Sincerely,
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

Well, your opinion seems to be widely supported by many list members
so no matter what we will be keeping this list for a good long time.
I'm not exactly certain who will be hosting this list, but I can say
for certain we won't be moving to a forum as many list members are
flat out against that idea. Plus as you yourself pointed out
Audiogames.net already has a forum and there is no need to have two
forums of the same kind. We should try to keep this list running if
for no other reason to offer people an alternative to the web forums
popping up everywhere.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 Hi Tom.

 I'm afraid I'd not be in favour of an audeasy forum, simply because there
 already is! an accessible games forum, and frankly I would have too much
 business checking two forums, also it'd make it quite difficult for
 developers and others to communicate on both systems.

 I'd personally suggest setting up a google groups list, since google groups

 are fairly reliable, and you'd still get the bennifits of running a mailing

 list, particularly having an alternative to audiogames.net for those people

 who don't enjoy forums.

 I've had experience with google groups myself over the entombed list, and I

 can say they work reliably so long as moderator in put continues and the
 list doesn't get abandoned.

 All the best,
 dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,

Lol! Wrong kind of gremlin. Here in America whenever something goes
wrong with a piece of equipment, software fails, mechanical failure,
etc we jokingly blame the problem on a gremlin which is not the same
thing as the gremlins in the gremlins movie. Gremlins according to
folk tales are actually suppose to be a race of magical beings, kind
of like nasty elves,  that go around causing trouble for humans by
breaking things or pulling pranks on people. The gremlins in the
gremlins movie were ugly little monsters created when Billy fed the
little Mugwas after midnight which isn't quite the same thing as
gremlins in the folk tale sense.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well catch it and stick it in the microwave grin
 if you have seen the gremlin 1 and 2 films you will know what I am
 talking about.
 hmm also I think the film mentioned not feading it after mightnight.
 Dark have you being feeding the gremlin again or something lol


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles,

At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 Is it fubar?, or is it snafu.

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Ron Schamerhorn

Here all this time I thought FUBAR had different words.  *l*



On 16-Nov-2013 12:12 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Charles,

At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.

Cheers!



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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,

That is of course one possibility. Worst case we will delete the
Audyssey account and start over from scratch in the hopes that we get
a fresh setup because the issue isn't the server or the software
itself. We are running on the assumption that when transferring the
Audyssey CPanel configuration from Raul's host to mine something got
messed up in the move. Now we are trying to find out what went wrong
and if we can't we need to just nuke the account and start over fresh.

However, doing so is nowhere as bad as you make it sound. I won't have
to reinstall any software because it isn't the software that is messed
up. The list membership wont have to resubscribe because I can export
the list of members to a text file and import it making it a breeze to
simply resubscribe everyone at once. Point being deleting the account
and recreating the account is no big deal. Slightly time consuming but
not anything that will effect most list members other than the fact
the list will be down for a few hours.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
   the web portal of googlegroups is not accessable at all for the
 blind to handle the new systems google uses really have not sat well
 with me and don't get me started on yahoo.
 there is freelists but unsubscribe and format and other such things
 are interpreted as list commands and the system will then send you an
 error.
 is there any way to simply delete the entire database and restart from
 scratch?
 it will mean ofcause you may need to reinstall everything and every
 user would have to resubscribe but who knows.

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Teresa Cochran
This sounds definitely like something to try before switching things over to 
another service.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Nov 16, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Shaun,
 
 That is of course one possibility. Worst case we will delete the
 Audyssey account and start over from scratch in the hopes that we get
 a fresh setup because the issue isn't the server or the software
 itself. We are running on the assumption that when transferring the
 Audyssey CPanel configuration from Raul's host to mine something got
 messed up in the move. Now we are trying to find out what went wrong
 and if we can't we need to just nuke the account and start over fresh.
 
 However, doing so is nowhere as bad as you make it sound. I won't have
 to reinstall any software because it isn't the software that is messed
 up. The list membership wont have to resubscribe because I can export
 the list of members to a text file and import it making it a breeze to
 simply resubscribe everyone at once. Point being deleting the account
 and recreating the account is no big deal. Slightly time consuming but
 not anything that will effect most list members other than the fact
 the list will be down for a few hours.
 
 Cheers!
 
 
 On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
  the web portal of googlegroups is not accessable at all for the
 blind to handle the new systems google uses really have not sat well
 with me and don't get me started on yahoo.
 there is freelists but unsubscribe and format and other such things
 are interpreted as list commands and the system will then send you an
 error.
 is there any way to simply delete the entire database and restart from
 scratch?
 it will mean ofcause you may need to reinstall everything and every
 user would have to resubscribe but who knows.
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Charles Rivard

A Gremlin is also a small car made by Chevrolet.  (another grin)

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Hi Shaun,

Lol! Wrong kind of gremlin. Here in America whenever something goes
wrong with a piece of equipment, software fails, mechanical failure,
etc we jokingly blame the problem on a gremlin which is not the same
thing as the gremlins in the gremlins movie. Gremlins according to
folk tales are actually suppose to be a race of magical beings, kind
of like nasty elves,  that go around causing trouble for humans by
breaking things or pulling pranks on people. The gremlins in the
gremlins movie were ugly little monsters created when Billy fed the
little Mugwas after midnight which isn't quite the same thing as
gremlins in the folk tale sense.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:

Well catch it and stick it in the microwave grin
if you have seen the gremlin 1 and 2 films you will know what I am
talking about.
hmm also I think the film mentioned not feading it after mightnight.
Dark have you being feeding the gremlin again or something lol



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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Charles Rivard
Fed???  I was thinking of a different word, and I'll bet you know what it 
it.  (grin)


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Hi Charles,

At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

Is it fubar?, or is it snafu.

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Amanda Burt

Hi


oh I agree.  I manage lists for an organisation I volunteer for and Google 
groups are not as easy as it use to be.  The audio word verification things 
are not very good and I got a head ake trying to use them.


My view is that, if needs be, if you delete the list and re-create it, that 
might be the easiest thing as we need to make sure that you are not swamped 
with this work.  I know how time consuming it is putting people on to lists 
and I don't want you to be having to spend too much time with this.


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Hi Cara,

Yeah, I know. I used Google Groups a while back, and their list
management interface was pretty poor accessibility wise. I could do
it, but nowhere as accessible or straight forward as Mailman is.

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:

Hi again, Thomas,

Just to clarify, I am talking about the GoogleGroups interface for 
managing

groups, not the member interface.

The management experience at this point is just awful from a blindness
perspective.

Thanks,

Cara :)


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi Thomas,

Not sure how long ago you used G Groups, but this last round of changes has 
happened over like the last two or three months.

Just sayin'

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Cara,

Yeah, I know. I used Google Groups a while back, and their list
management interface was pretty poor accessibility wise. I could do
it, but nowhere as accessible or straight forward as Mailman is.

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:
 Hi again, Thomas,
 
 Just to clarify, I am talking about the GoogleGroups interface for managing
 groups, not the member interface.
 
 The management experience at this point is just awful from a blindness
 perspective.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Cara :)

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2013-11-16 Thread Cara Quinn
Actually he used it, or at least the shortened version. That wasn't fed, that 
was F ed.

*flitters back up to her perch*

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

Fed???  I was thinking of a different word, and I'll bet you know what it it.  
(grin)

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 Hi Charles,
 
 At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
 it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
 f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.
 
 Cheers!
 
 On 11/15/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 Is it fubar?, or is it snafu.
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Charles Rivard

Ah.  Darn these screen readers, anyway.  Go ahead and flitter.  (grin)

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Actually he used it, or at least the shortened version. That wasn't fed, 
that was F ed.


*flitters back up to her perch*

Smiles,

Cara :)
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On Nov 16, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

Fed???  I was thinking of a different word, and I'll bet you know what it 
it.  (grin)


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Hi Charles,

At this point it doesn't make much difference which you want to call
it. However, fubar is about right. The word fubar is an acronym for
f'ed up beyond all recognition. That sums up the situation nicely.

Cheers!

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Is it fubar?, or is it snafu.

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[Audyssey] Draconis Releases DoItWrite 1.0

2013-11-16 Thread Draconis
Greetings gamers,

We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of our first application 
for iOS!

DoItWrite is an educational tool and game to teach visually impaired users of 
iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader how to draw printed letters and numbers for use 
with VoiceOver's handwriting feature in iOS 7.

Learn to draw lowercase letters, uppercase letters;;, and numbers for use with 
iOS 7's VoiceOver handwriting feature!

This app is primarily intended for the blind or visually impaired, teachers or 
instructors of same, and other users of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader.

Many blind or visually impaired people are not familiar with the shapes of 
printed letters or numbers. DoItWrite teaches you how to draw them in a simple 
way that has the best chance of being correctly recognized by VoiceOver, even 
if you have never learned the shapes of the characters previously. Once you get 
them down, practice your speed and accuracy with a fun game to blast characters 
as they tumble down the screen!

* Learn how to activate the VoiceOver handwriting feature in iOS 7
* Learn how to draw lowercase and uppercase letters, as well as numbers in a 
simple and accurate way.
* Practice your newly acquired skills by blasting letters and numbers as they 
tumble down the screen.
* Use the app to improve your onscreen typing skills by using the keyboard 
during game play.
* Automatic feedback and coach via audio queues and speech output.
* DoItWrite automatically detects when VoiceOver is not running, and permits 
the tutorial to be browsed with the onscreen keyboard. Great for sighted 
teachers and tutors!
* Share your game scores with others.
* Many ways to customize your learning experience.

DoItWrite is available on the iOS App Store for $1.99 USD. (Prices will vary 
for your local currency.)

http://appstore.com/doitwrite

For more information, visit us online at
http://DracoEnt.com

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Re: [Audyssey] Draconis Releases DoItWrite 1.0

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,

Wow! Sounds like a neat little app. Now, if only I had an iPhone I'd
give it a try. :D

Cheers!

On 11/16/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote:
 Greetings gamers,

 We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of our first
 application for iOS!

 DoItWrite is an educational tool and game to teach visually impaired users
 of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader how to draw printed letters and numbers
 for use with VoiceOver's handwriting feature in iOS 7.

 Learn to draw lowercase letters, uppercase letters;;, and numbers for use
 with iOS 7's VoiceOver handwriting feature!

 This app is primarily intended for the blind or visually impaired, teachers
 or instructors of same, and other users of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader.

 Many blind or visually impaired people are not familiar with the shapes of
 printed letters or numbers. DoItWrite teaches you how to draw them in a
 simple way that has the best chance of being correctly recognized by
 VoiceOver, even if you have never learned the shapes of the characters
 previously. Once you get them down, practice your speed and accuracy with a
 fun game to blast characters as they tumble down the screen!

 * Learn how to activate the VoiceOver handwriting feature in iOS 7
 * Learn how to draw lowercase and uppercase letters, as well as numbers in a
 simple and accurate way.
 * Practice your newly acquired skills by blasting letters and numbers as
 they tumble down the screen.
 * Use the app to improve your onscreen typing skills by using the keyboard
 during game play.
 * Automatic feedback and coach via audio queues and speech output.
 * DoItWrite automatically detects when VoiceOver is not running, and permits
 the tutorial to be browsed with the onscreen keyboard. Great for sighted
 teachers and tutors!
 * Share your game scores with others.
 * Many ways to customize your  learning experience.

 DoItWrite is available on the iOS App Store for $1.99 USD. (Prices will vary
 for your local currency.)

 http://appstore.com/doitwrite

 For more information, visit us online at
 http://DracoEnt.com

 Happy gaming.


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Cara,

Thanks for the info. It was a while ago since using Google Groups,
perhaps a year or so, and I'm definitely not up to speed with their
new interface. In any case I'm trying to fix our mail server on
Audyssey, and won't be going to a new service until we have run out of
options to fix our mail server.

Cheers!

On 11/16/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas,

 Not sure how long ago you used G Groups, but this last round of changes has
 happened over like the last two or three months.

 Just sayin'

 Smiles,

 Cara :)

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles,

You might want to go read it again. I did not write fed but f'ed.
There is an apostrophe between the f and the ed. That is the universal
way to abbreviate the f word without spelling it all the way out. :D

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles,

I forgot about that, but yes you are right. Although, when I was
talking about gremlins I was not talking about the car either. :D

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread shaun everiss

I agree I like both.
I have a big time trying to access everything I want in audiogames.
These days I only really go down the first 3-4 topics on each topic 
page  and every sub forum.

There are to many to view them all.
And there are spam posters, and other things to.
Sometimes the audiogames forum database overloads like it has been 
this week and I can not get on from time to time.

The forum is ok I guess but if it overloads then there will be issues.
And also I barely read everything on those as it is.
Saying that it may be an idea to include an announcement list which 
handles all the releases and such mag issues and other important stuff.
I do still like the discussion list as it is in particular because I 
can post things faster and other such things.


At 05:30 PM 11/15/2013, you wrote:

Hey, Thomas.

I actually like the email instead of forum.

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Re: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark

2013-11-16 Thread shaun everiss

Well I was talking on  the subject of copywrite on another list.
And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies 
get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care.
The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of 
companies these are others bigger than them or the same sise or 
slightly smaller.
Nz is a small country which doesn't help but disabled anyone, imagine 
how small we are.
We do not have the power to fight fish such as those what companies 
are made of.

And they know we are small so they don't care.
Even the big companies loose in the ongoing progress wars.
We are little more than ants and thats the only conclusion I can make 
without swearing on list.

Its the only thing I can think of.

At 06:46 PM 11/15/2013, you wrote:

Hi Steven,

Well, I think your message was intended for me not Dark, but in any
case I'll address your message anyway.

To begin with while I realize you were just stating an opinion I still
think you were bordering on inflammatory when you failed to give
reasons for your opinion. Calling something like Linux inferior
without any explanation as to why you think and feel that way is
unproductive in a discussion like this one. It also happens to be
untrue as Linux is superior to Windows in a number of areas, and so is
a viable option for some users who happen to like the OS for reasons
of their own. So while I won't take your opinion personally I do think
it may be a misinformed opinion.

At any rate, to answer your question I think Apple should make a
version of iTunes available for Linux simply to increase compatibility
with their devices. If I am going to go out and pay $199 for a new
iPhone I think I should be able to use it with any computer and
operating system I choose regardless if it is running Windows, Mac,
Linux, whatever. Weather Linux is inferior or not has nothing to do
with it. I am a customer of theirs and I think I have the right to use
their devices with whatever platform I happen to like best, or I
simply do not buy their devices. End of story.

I guess in a broader sense this is exactly what open source is all
about. It is the freedom of choice. A person is not restricted to one
choice of operating system. Most open source initiatives like Firefox,
Thunderbird, Audacity, LibreOffice, to name a few give the end user a
choice what platform and operating system they wish to use. A lot of
closed source software usually only target one platform and one
operating system restricting a persons choices to whatever the
developer chooses.

We are in fact facing this issue right now with audio games. As you
know many audio games were developed specifically for Windows, but
many blind users are migrating to Mac OS X. In order to play games
they are having to run Windows in a virtual machine or to run Windows
side by side with Mac OS. The best solution is to release a version of
the game for both platforms. However, as the developers aren't
interested in doing that the end user, the customer, is stuck doing
without.

Well, my feeling about iTunes is largely the same principle. I use
Linux on several different computers because it is cheaper, does what
I want it to do, and if an Apple iPhone isn't compatible with Linux
then I'll simply have to find a different phone that is. If Apple is
concerned about my business, which I am certain they aren't, they will
make it possible for me to sink files to and from my Apple device with
Linux. Perhaps if Apple's iPhone was the only show in town I might
have a different opinion, but they aren't. Android is slowly but
surely getting better, and it will do what I want it to do. So when it
comes to freedom of choice Android is better.

Cheers!

On 11/14/13, steven earge...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Dark,

 For games, buying an iphone is much better than buying an Anddroid. I
 Iphone, being the superior phone that it is, has more games than the
 Anddroid. However, I do see the cost issue and some compatibility issues.
 But why would Apple make Itutes for something as inferior as Linux? This is
 my opinion, and should not be taken personally.

 Signed,
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Re: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,

Unfortunately, that is all too common when it comes to corporate
capitalism. It seems the larger and more well known the company in
question the people at the top of the corporate ladder are less and
less likely to care about their customers and only think about money,
money, money. It has always been that way, and it is the very reason
the United States government has had to step in and break up
monopolies, because once a corporation grew to a certain size they
began to abuse their wealth and power by charging high prices for
products and services, ignoring accessibility concerns, whatever.
However, there is always a counter balance that shift things back in
the other direction eventually.

To pud it this way, you said the corporations see us as ants. That may
be true, but in the wild get enough ants together and they can bring
down an elephant. Individually they might be weak, but as a single
unit the aunts are stronger than any single animal that happens to
step on their ant hill. The corporate markets work in a similar way.

Here in the USA and around the world Freedom Scientific has
consistently tried to monopolize the access technology market. They
have all kinds of deals going with state agencies, other corporations,
and have cared less and less about their customer base. However, some
of the customers are fighting back by creating a free/low cost screen
reader like NVDA, and everyone who can contribute to NVDA does so. As
a result in the space of five years or so NVDA has taken a huge chunk
of Freedom Scientific's screen reader market a lot of that was due to
their high prices, bad tech support, buggy software, and NVDA has made
a big difference for people like myself who couldn't afford the price
Freedom Scientific were charging for Jaws. Those customers who chose
to drop Jaws for NVDA may have been akin to ants initially, but get a
few thousand or more customers to leave Jaws for NVDA and Freedom
Scientific stands to lose millions of dollars because of their greedy
practices. As I said there are always checks and balances even for the
mightiest corporations.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well I was talking on  the subject of copywrite on another list.
 And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies
 get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care.
 The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of
 companies these are others bigger than them or the same sise or
 slightly smaller.
 Nz is a small country which doesn't help but disabled anyone, imagine
 how small we are.
 We do not have the power to fight fish such as those what companies
 are made of.
 And they know we are small so they don't care.
 Even the big companies loose in the ongoing progress wars.
 We are little more than ants and thats the only conclusion I can make
 without swearing on list.
 Its the only thing I can think of.

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,

Well, that may be the case, but that is really the advantage of a
forum. A person can go to the forum, click on the new link, and use
the h key to look at all the various threads with new posts and only
read the ones of interest. If there is a thread on BK2 and I have no
interest in that game I can skip it. With a mailing list everything is
just mailed to a person's inbox and they have to delete all the
messages they don't want to read before reading the ones they do want
to read. However, that is a mute point since I have decided not to set
up a forum here on Audyssey.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree I like both.
 I have a big time trying to access everything I want in audiogames.
 These days I only really go down the first 3-4 topics on each topic
 page  and every sub forum.
 There are to many to view them all.
 And there are spam posters, and other things to.
 Sometimes the audiogames forum database overloads like it has been
 this week and I can not get on from time to time.
 The forum is ok I guess but if it overloads then there will be issues.
 And also I barely read everything on those as it is.
 Saying that it may be an idea to include an announcement list which
 handles all the releases and such mag issues and other important stuff.
 I do still like the discussion list as it is in particular because I
 can post things faster and other such things.


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Re: [Audyssey] Draconis Releases DoItWrite 1.0

2013-11-16 Thread Teresa Cochran
Yes, it’s instructive and fun. Just what I needed, being blind from birth and 
though familiar with letter and number shapes from playing with alphabet blocks 
as a kid, I haven’t written them much. This is good practice, since I’d like to 
enter my passcode without the thing blabbing to the rest of the world. :)

Great job, guys.

Teresa

The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham

On Nov 16, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Wow! Sounds like a neat little app. Now, if only I had an iPhone I'd
 give it a try. :D
 
 Cheers!
 
 On 11/16/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote:
 Greetings gamers,
 
 We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of our first
 application for iOS!
 
 DoItWrite is an educational tool and game to teach visually impaired users
 of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader how to draw printed letters and numbers
 for use with VoiceOver's handwriting feature in iOS 7.
 
 Learn to draw lowercase letters, uppercase letters;;, and numbers for use
 with iOS 7's VoiceOver handwriting feature!
 
 This app is primarily intended for the blind or visually impaired, teachers
 or instructors of same, and other users of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader.
 
 Many blind or visually impaired people are not familiar with the shapes of
 printed letters or numbers. DoItWrite teaches you how to draw them in a
 simple way that has the best chance of being correctly recognized by
 VoiceOver, even if you have never learned the shapes of the characters
 previously. Once you get them down, practice your speed and accuracy with a
 fun game to blast characters as they tumble down the screen!
 
 * Learn how to activate the VoiceOver handwriting feature in iOS 7
 * Learn how to draw lowercase and uppercase letters, as well as numbers in a
 simple and accurate way.
 * Practice your newly acquired skills by blasting letters and numbers as
 they tumble down the screen.
 * Use the app to improve your onscreen typing skills by using the keyboard
 during game play.
 * Automatic feedback and coach via audio queues and speech output.
 * DoItWrite automatically detects when VoiceOver is not running, and permits
 the tutorial to be browsed with the onscreen keyboard. Great for sighted
 teachers and tutors!
 * Share your game scores with others.
 * Many ways to customize your  learning experience.
 
 DoItWrite is available on the iOS App Store for $1.99 USD. (Prices will vary
 for your local currency.)
 
 http://appstore.com/doitwrite
 
 For more information, visit us online at
 http://DracoEnt.com
 
 Happy gaming.
 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] This message is for Dark

2013-11-16 Thread Teresa Cochran
I was just getting used to NVDA when I switched to the Mac. I had a little pang 
of regret, because at the time, I thought NVDA had a lot of promise. I still 
think it’s a great solution. It’s still installed on my husband’s Windows 
computer in case I need it, and I have a portable copy to use on friends’ PCs.

Anyway, Thomas, I agree with you. We have power if we get together and use it.

Teresa

The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham

On Nov 16, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Shaun,
 
 Unfortunately, that is all too common when it comes to corporate
 capitalism. It seems the larger and more well known the company in
 question the people at the top of the corporate ladder are less and
 less likely to care about their customers and only think about money,
 money, money. It has always been that way, and it is the very reason
 the United States government has had to step in and break up
 monopolies, because once a corporation grew to a certain size they
 began to abuse their wealth and power by charging high prices for
 products and services, ignoring accessibility concerns, whatever.
 However, there is always a counter balance that shift things back in
 the other direction eventually.
 
 To pud it this way, you said the corporations see us as ants. That may
 be true, but in the wild get enough ants together and they can bring
 down an elephant. Individually they might be weak, but as a single
 unit the aunts are stronger than any single animal that happens to
 step on their ant hill. The corporate markets work in a similar way.
 
 Here in the USA and around the world Freedom Scientific has
 consistently tried to monopolize the access technology market. They
 have all kinds of deals going with state agencies, other corporations,
 and have cared less and less about their customer base. However, some
 of the customers are fighting back by creating a free/low cost screen
 reader like NVDA, and everyone who can contribute to NVDA does so. As
 a result in the space of five years or so NVDA has taken a huge chunk
 of Freedom Scientific's screen reader market a lot of that was due to
 their high prices, bad tech support, buggy software, and NVDA has made
 a big difference for people like myself who couldn't afford the price
 Freedom Scientific were charging for Jaws. Those customers who chose
 to drop Jaws for NVDA may have been akin to ants initially, but get a
 few thousand or more customers to leave Jaws for NVDA and Freedom
 Scientific stands to lose millions of dollars because of their greedy
 practices. As I said there are always checks and balances even for the
 mightiest corporations.
 
 Cheers!
 
 
 On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well I was talking on  the subject of copywrite on another list.
 And I have come to the sad conclusion that the bigger the companies
 get the smaller their customers get and the less they actually care.
 The sharks care about anyting that can pose a threat in the case of
 companies these are others bigger than them or the same sise or
 slightly smaller.
 Nz is a small country which doesn't help but disabled anyone, imagine
 how small we are.
 We do not have the power to fight fish such as those what companies
 are made of.
 And they know we are small so they don't care.
 Even the big companies loose in the ongoing progress wars.
 We are little more than ants and thats the only conclusion I can make
 without swearing on list.
 Its the only thing I can think of.
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Teresa Cochran
Ah, but I have mail filters set up with mailboxes that I haven’t, uh, perused 
in quite awhile. I could not handle mailing-list messages going to my inbox, 
unless the mailing list is very small. This one isn’t. :)

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Nov 16, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Shaun,
 
 Well, that may be the case, but that is really the advantage of a
 forum. A person can go to the forum, click on the new link, and use
 the h key to look at all the various threads with new posts and only
 read the ones of interest. If there is a thread on BK2 and I have no
 interest in that game I can skip it. With a mailing list everything is
 just mailed to a person's inbox and they have to delete all the
 messages they don't want to read before reading the ones they do want
 to read. However, that is a mute point since I have decided not to set
 up a forum here on Audyssey.
 
 Cheers!
 
 
 On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree I like both.
 I have a big time trying to access everything I want in audiogames.
 These days I only really go down the first 3-4 topics on each topic
 page  and every sub forum.
 There are to many to view them all.
 And there are spam posters, and other things to.
 Sometimes the audiogames forum database overloads like it has been
 this week and I can not get on from time to time.
 The forum is ok I guess but if it overloads then there will be issues.
 And also I barely read everything on those as it is.
 Saying that it may be an idea to include an announcement list which
 handles all the releases and such mag issues and other important stuff.
 I do still like the discussion list as it is in particular because I
 can post things faster and other such things.
 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

2013-11-16 Thread Bryan Peterson

Or when Gizmo got wet LOL.



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From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:08 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message

Hi Shaun,

Lol! Wrong kind of gremlin. Here in America whenever something goes
wrong with a piece of equipment, software fails, mechanical failure,
etc we jokingly blame the problem on a gremlin which is not the same
thing as the gremlins in the gremlins movie. Gremlins according to
folk tales are actually suppose to be a race of magical beings, kind
of like nasty elves,  that go around causing trouble for humans by
breaking things or pulling pranks on people. The gremlins in the
gremlins movie were ugly little monsters created when Billy fed the
little Mugwas after midnight which isn't quite the same thing as
gremlins in the folk tale sense.

Cheers!


On 11/15/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:

Well catch it and stick it in the microwave grin
if you have seen the gremlin 1 and 2 films you will know what I am
talking about.
hmm also I think the film mentioned not feading it after mightnight.
Dark have you being feeding the gremlin again or something lol



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Re: [Audyssey] Draconis Releases DoItWrite 1.0

2013-11-16 Thread Bryan Peterson
I may have to look into that myself. I've also been blind my entire 33 years 
and could never quite get the hang of this writing print business. I can 
sign my first and last initials but even that's probably not very 
consistent.




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From: Teresa Cochran

Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:36 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Draconis Releases DoItWrite 1.0

Yes, it’s instructive and fun. Just what I needed, being blind from birth 
and though familiar with letter and number shapes from playing with alphabet 
blocks as a kid, I haven’t written them much. This is good practice, since I’d 
like to enter my passcode without the thing blabbing to the rest of the 
world. :)


Great job, guys.

Teresa

The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete Graham

On Nov 16, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Wow! Sounds like a neat little app. Now, if only I had an iPhone I'd
give it a try. :D

Cheers!

On 11/16/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote:

Greetings gamers,

We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of our first
application for iOS!

DoItWrite is an educational tool and game to teach visually impaired 
users
of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen reader how to draw printed letters and 
numbers

for use with VoiceOver's handwriting feature in iOS 7.

Learn to draw lowercase letters, uppercase letters;;, and numbers for use
with iOS 7's VoiceOver handwriting feature!

This app is primarily intended for the blind or visually impaired, 
teachers
or instructors of same, and other users of iOS 7's VoiceOver screen 
reader.


Many blind or visually impaired people are not familiar with the shapes 
of

printed letters or numbers. DoItWrite teaches you how to draw them in a
simple way that has the best chance of being correctly recognized by
VoiceOver, even if you have never learned the shapes of the characters
previously. Once you get them down, practice your speed and accuracy with 
a

fun game to blast characters as they tumble down the screen!

* Learn how to activate the VoiceOver handwriting feature in iOS 7
* Learn how to draw lowercase and uppercase letters, as well as numbers 
in a

simple and accurate way.
* Practice your newly acquired skills by blasting letters and numbers as
they tumble down the screen.
* Use the app to improve your onscreen typing skills by using the 
keyboard

during game play.
* Automatic feedback and coach via audio queues and speech output.
* DoItWrite automatically detects when VoiceOver is not running, and 
permits

the tutorial to be browsed with the onscreen keyboard. Great for sighted
teachers and tutors!
* Share your game scores with others.
* Many ways to customize your  learning experience.

DoItWrite is available on the iOS App Store for $1.99 USD. (Prices will 
vary

for your local currency.)

http://appstore.com/doitwrite

For more information, visit us online at
http://DracoEnt.com

Happy gaming.


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Re: [Audyssey] Email List

2013-11-16 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi John,

Well, as I have mentioned on another thread here I've decided against
setting up a forum as many list members are dead set against that
idea. So regardless what we will do we will still have a mailing list
we just have to see if we can fix what is wrong with our mail server
or find a different service provider. :D

Cheers!

On 11/15/13, John Snowling johnsnowl...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Hi.

 I think having a list on either yahoo or google groups is much better but
 i'd be happy to adopt whatever happens. If we do go down the forums line
 then maybe a how to use forums would be a good thing to have as i've never
 fully used one.

 cheers.


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 From: Angela Delicata angeladelic...@email.it
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message


 The same here: I'd prefer a mailing list.
 Thanks.
 Angela from Italy


 Il 15/11/2013 04:53, Charles Rivard ha scritto:
 If Yahoogroups is not very accessible, I wonder if Googlegroups is.  I,
 for one, very much prefer a mailing list over a forum.  I would only
 even consider a forum as the absolute last resort.  Thanks.

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 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:39 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Moderator Important Message


 Hello, List:

 I know a number of you have been having technical issues with the
 Audyssey Mailing List ever since we changed servers a few months back.
 Some of you have been unsubscribed from the list without warning or
 notification, some of your accounts were automatically put on no mail
 by Mailman, some of you could get list mail but were unable to post
 messages,  and some of you haven't had any problems at all. Despite
 numerous attempts to uncover the root of all these problems no one as
 yet has found out what is causing these and other technical issues.

 Just this afternoon another list member has come to me with problems
 with his subscription. As usual I have turned it over to the server
 admins in hopes that a solution may finally be found. If not then I
 think it might be in our best interests to think about a different
 solution. What I mean by that is simply this.

 I know that many of you are here because you would prefer a mailing
 list over a forum. However, it seems for whatever reason Mailman, the
 software we use to run the list, is having problems making it a hassle
 for many list members, the admins, and myself to keep this going as
 is. If we can not resolve the technical problems in the next few days
 I wonder how many of you would strongly object to me replacing this
 list with an Audyssey forum similar to what Audiogames.net has now.
 Alternatively if you strongly object to a forum I suppose we could go
 back to Yahoo Groups or try Google Groups instead. Any thoughts?

 Sincerely,
 Thomas Ward
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