Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[goshawk on horseback]

would you happen to know if that is still available anywhere please?

Simon


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From: "dark" 
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


It's really random, especially when games like shard workshop's zero site,
which to me was an exceptional flight simulation game with a lot of replay
value seem to have been largely forgotten by the community.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


>I suspect there may also be a bit of psychology at work regarding their
>titles; meaning that Bavisoft has gotten a lot of attention. Not positive
>attention for sure, but attention nonetheless. Therefore, some folks will
>naturally want to see the subject of that attention.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "dark"  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  Date sent: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:53:49 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.
>
> I would agree John on that generally, however I seem to have seen more
> discussions of bavisoft's games than those from any other defunked
> developer
> for some reason, even Bsc hasn't generated this much sporadic interest,
> nor
> code factory despite their games being in the same genre as bavisoft's.
>
> For some very odd reason, Bavisoft just keeps coming back in people's
> minds, and I'm really not sure why, sinse the games, while as I said worth
> a
> playespecially what I'd call landmark titles, not compared to
> something
> like superliam or  troopanum.
>
> Beware the Grue!
>
> Dark.
> - Original Message -
> From: "john"  To: "Gamers Discussion list"  Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.
>
>
> I suspect for the same reason folks ask for a lot of old games - they just
> want to see what it was like.
> Either that, or they once played the game, no longer have it and want to
> play it again.
>
> --
> From: "dark"  Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:57
> To: "Gamers Discussion list"  Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.
>
> I think that was in 2012 or so, but as I said they were long sinse dead
> before that, indeed to be honest I always wonder why there's so much
> discussion of bavisoft. The games are available for whoever wants to play
> them, and as I said they're probably worth at least one run for amusement
> value, however once you've played them there's not a lot else to say.
>
> Even as far as the audio adventures genre goes much bigger and better
> things
> have been done sinse and will likely continue to be done in the future.
>
> Beware the Grue!
>
> Dark.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[dark]

I'd be very glad to give more information about Graille to the thief:

http://www.audiogames.net/db.php?id=Grail+to+the+thief=submit

Done!

Btw, it's for the purposes of finding out information that I wrote the 
audiogames.net database entries in the first place.


All the best,

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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[john]

Bavisoft didn't "close". They were "closed" (as in their site was shut down 
by ICANN).

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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 20:42
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

Hi Jody,

Unfortunately, that is true. There is a lot of things the developer of
Bavisoft could have and probably should have done, but he strikes me
as not really giving a care. He wrote Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch
and after that pretty much let things go without too much in the way
of technical support, follow ups, and insuring people can legally
obtain his products once Bavisoft closed its doors for good. Its sad,
but in my opinion the games weren't that good to begin with so aren't
that much of a loss to the community in my opinion.

Cheers!


On 10/21/15, Jody McKinniss  wrote:
> What displeases me is that the developer didn't make arrangements for
> his games to be found after development ended.  At least BSC games
> could be found even when development had ended.
>
> On 10/21/15, Thomas Ward  wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I understand your position and why you disagree. However, as the
>> legality of sharing the Bavisoft games are in doubt we still consider
>> sharing them on list piracy. At least officially. What you and others
>> do off list is none of our concern and why I mentioned if anyone
>> wishes to share to please do so off list. Understand for legal reasons
>> we can not in good conscience allow the sharing of games in which the
>> developer/author has not expressly given us permission to share them.
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/15, goshawk on horseback 
>> wrote:
>>> not meaning to sound like I am trying to start any trouble, but baring
>>> in
>>> mind that the developer seems to have vanished with out a trace, I have
>>> to
>>> say, that I would beg to disagree.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Thomas Ward" 
>>> To: "goshawk on horseback" ;
>>> "Gamers
>>> Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just a note to the list. As Grizzly Gulch is still technically a
>>> commercial game and was never officially abandoned by the developer if
>>> you so wish to share the game with Simon please do so off list.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[goshawk on horseback]

please could you give a bit more info on the graille to the thief game?
thanks.

Simon


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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


It's interesting that audio adventures (as I've called the genre on
audiogames.net), are now becoming far more common and we have some rather
better examples like the inquisitor games and codename signus, not to
mention graille to the thief which is about the same difficulty as the
bavisoft games, but just costs 5 usd, and is hopefully just an intro for
similar games later on.

All the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dark,

Actually, I believe the ICANN shut the Bavisoft site down last year
not 2012. In any case it makes little difference because as you say
they were long since not a going concern by then. They wouldn't answer
their e-mails, couldn't be contacted by phone, and were notoriously
bad about not shipping orders for their games. So regardless of when
they were shutdown they were pretty much done anyway.

Cheers!


On 10/22/15, dark  wrote:
> I think that was in 2012 or so, but as I said they were long sinse dead
> before that, indeed to be honest I always wonder why there's so much
> discussion of bavisoft. The games are available for whoever wants to play
> them, and as I said they're probably worth at least one run for amusement
> value, however once you've played them there's not a lot else to say.
>
> Even as far as the audio adventures genre goes much bigger and better things
>
> have been done sinse and will likely continue to be done in the future.
>
> Beware the Grue!
>
> Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

[Milos Przic]

Hahaha yes, the little gremlin is very nice and funny one. I am now so 
confident of my character that I most often kill the lady without losing a 
single life. I do this by jumping 3 jumps from her to the right (if possible 
hit her first once), then I turn and shoot 1 or even 2 arrows if she is far 
enough. Then jump back or over her, depending on where I have more space. 
The things that can kill in the process are the nasty gosts but I often kill 
her before she summons them!

Best,
 Milos Przic
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From: "Desiree Oudinot" 

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.


I totally agree with your sentiments. I think she should have been a later 
boss too.


I was so frustrated that I was wishing for cheat codes, just so I could 
get past her. But after a couple hours of trying, I finally beat her. You 
need to hit her, then jump over her, then try to hit her again, and jump 
in the opposite direction while she's frozen and screaming in pain. Repeat 
the process until she's dead, which, frankly, does take far longer than it 
should. I know I'm not explaining it well, and it didn't make any sense to 
me either until I'd actually done it.


When I got to the little gremlin dude, as I call him, which is the second 
boss, it was so much easier to beat him than the Gray Lady that I was 
really questioning why he wasn't the first boss.


On 10/22/2015 4:35 PM, loriduncan wrote:
Hi guys, I'm really struggling to beat the Grey lady in The Gate.  I've 
tried the jumping 4 times to the right away from her, then turning back 
and shooting, but nothing works.  I shoot and hit her once, then when I 
jump quickly to my right, she gets me, no matter how quickly I jump. 
What am I doing wrong? It's really anoying me, especially as she's the 
first boss, she'd have been better off being a boss either on hard mode, 
or a later boss in the game.

From Lori.



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[Audyssey] Zero sight was: Re: looking for another game please.

[dark]

Hi.

Most Certainly.
http://www.shardworkshop.com/audiogames.php

The main game is zero sight, there is a short demo to play and several audio 
tutorials. Bare in mind the game is intended to simulate the difficulty of 
flying an aircraft, so expect to crash and burn a few times before you can 
even take off, still it's like most games that take practice worth it when 
you get the knack.
There is also the Extended operations addon for the game which adds 8 new 
missions making 16 in all, two newweapons for your plane, the ability to 
parachute out when your in trouble and best of all, randomly generated 
missions.


I've always been very impressed with Zero sight and am rather sad fewer 
people don't put in the time sinsce it's an exceptionally well put together 
game, both the initial and the addon.


All the best,

Dark.
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From: "goshawk on horseback" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.



would you happen to know if that is still available anywhere please?

Simon


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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


It's really random, especially when games like shard workshop's zero site,
which to me was an exceptional flight simulation game with a lot of replay
value seem to have been largely forgotten by the community.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: "john" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.



I suspect there may also be a bit of psychology at work regarding their
titles; meaning that Bavisoft has gotten a lot of attention. Not positive
attention for sure, but attention nonetheless. Therefore, some folks will
naturally want to see the subject of that attention.

- Original Message -
From: "dark" 

Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

[Shaun Everiss]

Hmmm yeah I am starting to think the hero is a total selfish bastard.
Heros really shouldn't be this one sided, in all dramas I have unless 
the monster is actually that evil they usually will help unless they are 
that bad, and those that are don't succeed.




On 23/10/2015 11:23 p.m., loriduncan wrote:

Hm, he really should have helped her, in return she could let him pass,
and he could help both her and his Mother.  :)

-Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:30 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I yelled many an explitive at the Gray Lady I can tell you. LOL. As for the
King Gremlin as I like to call him, I actually would consider him more of a
miniboss since there's no cutscene or explanation before you fight him.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:35 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I totally agree with your sentiments. I think she should have been a
later boss too.

I was so frustrated that I was wishing for cheat codes, just so I could
get past her. But after a couple hours of trying, I finally beat her.
You need to hit her, then jump over her, then try to hit her again, and
jump in the opposite direction while she's frozen and screaming in pain.
Repeat the process until she's dead, which, frankly, does take far
longer than it should. I know I'm not explaining it well, and it didn't
make any sense to me either until I'd actually done it.

When I got to the little gremlin dude, as I call him, which is the
second boss, it was so much easier to beat him than the Gray Lady that I
was really questioning why he wasn't the first boss.

On 10/22/2015 4:35 PM, loriduncan wrote:

Hi guys, I'm really struggling to beat the Grey lady in The Gate.
I've tried the jumping 4 times to the right away from her, then
turning back and shooting, but nothing works.  I shoot and hit her
once, then when I jump quickly to my right, she gets me, no matter how
quickly I jump.  What am I doing wrong? It's really anoying me,
especially as she's the first boss, she'd have been better off being a
boss either on hard mode, or a later boss in the game.

From Lori.



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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[john]

When the audiogames archive is finished, we will host the demo versions of 
bsc's titles.
Also - before anybody comments on the legality yes, we can do that (barring 
communication with an update), as per the license agreement when you install 
the games.


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Where can you get the windows version of graile to the thief?  Also does 
bscgames have there games arcived so you can get them?  thanks.


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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[Ron hopkins]

Where can you get the windows version of graile to the thief?  Also 
does bscgames have there games arcived so you can get them?  thanks.


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Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

[Desiree Oudinot]

I would have been curious to know why she was stuck on the stairs too. 
That could have made for a pretty interesting twist to the story. If 
someone is frozen in limbo, there's usually a pretty compelling reason 
for it.


It could even have worked against Patrick. Suppose that there was a 
choice to help her. He's then allowed to pass the stairs unharmed, and 
in the following level he has to search for clues about this gate and 
how to find it. And if he does, he could go back, but then the Gray Lady 
decides that she doesn't want to show mercy on him after all, or even 
that she can't, for whatever reason, leave the staircase. Then you could 
fight her. That would have been a lot more intriguing, not to mention it 
would have completely justified the difficulty level of the fight.


Additionally, if he took too long, his karma, or energy, could be 
drained by her evil presence. That would have been awesome.


On 10/22/2015 7:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Or maybe a guide to what is going on, she doesn't want to be stuck in 
the stairs and I don't blame her.




On 23/10/2015 12:17 p.m., Desiree Oudinot wrote:

I agree. In return for helping her, you could have gotten a nice weapon,
perhaps one that killed ghosts from a longer range, or something that
would make sense for killing ghosts. It does seem a little silly to me
that a knife or an arrow kills them, as they're not even physical matter
anymore.

On 10/23/2015 6:23 AM, loriduncan wrote:

Hm, he really should have helped her, in return she could let him
pass, and he could help both her and his Mother.  :)

-Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:30 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey 
lady.


I yelled many an explitive at the Gray Lady I can tell you. LOL. As
for the
King Gremlin as I like to call him, I actually would consider him more
of a
miniboss since there's no cutscene or explanation before you fight him.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:35 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey 
lady.


I totally agree with your sentiments. I think she should have been a
later boss too.

I was so frustrated that I was wishing for cheat codes, just so I could
get past her. But after a couple hours of trying, I finally beat her.
You need to hit her, then jump over her, then try to hit her again, and
jump in the opposite direction while she's frozen and screaming in 
pain.

Repeat the process until she's dead, which, frankly, does take far
longer than it should. I know I'm not explaining it well, and it didn't
make any sense to me either until I'd actually done it.

When I got to the little gremlin dude, as I call him, which is the
second boss, it was so much easier to beat him than the Gray Lady 
that I

was really questioning why he wasn't the first boss.

On 10/22/2015 4:35 PM, loriduncan wrote:

Hi guys, I'm really struggling to beat the Grey lady in The Gate.
I've tried the jumping 4 times to the right away from her, then
turning back and shooting, but nothing works.  I shoot and hit her
once, then when I jump quickly to my right, she gets me, no matter
how quickly I jump.  What am I doing wrong? It's really anoying me,
especially as she's the first boss, she'd have been better off being
a boss either on hard mode, or a later boss in the game.

From Lori.



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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[Shaun Everiss]

I must say I do want to see what things were like before.
Its why I go for old soundcard soundfonts crappy that they may be for 
general use.
I mean gameboy soundfont, crap for almost everything else but what if I 
want to play a old game soundtrack and remember it.
Or if I get something what about getting something like a snes or nes 
font or old synth not suited for music and play it for something not 
supposed to do that.
hvsc does c64 and thats one synth I enjoy playing, the older stuff some 
of it is so good it stays.

Game wise well who knows.
Last night I watched an old video of a mainframe starting up, computers 
starting are nothing to what it was back then and I liked the nostelga.




On 22/10/2015 11:29 p.m., john wrote:

I suspect for the same reason folks ask for a lot of old games - they just
want to see what it was like.
Either that, or they once played the game, no longer have it and want to
play it again.

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:57
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

I think that was in 2012 or so, but as I said they were long sinse dead
before that, indeed to be honest I always wonder why there's so much
discussion of bavisoft. The games are available for whoever wants to play
them, and as I said they're probably worth at least one run for amusement
value, however once you've played them there's not a lot else to say.

Even as far as the audio adventures genre goes much bigger and better things
have been done sinse and will likely continue to be done in the future.

Beware the Grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

[Desiree Oudinot]

I agree. In return for helping her, you could have gotten a nice weapon, 
perhaps one that killed ghosts from a longer range, or something that 
would make sense for killing ghosts. It does seem a little silly to me 
that a knife or an arrow kills them, as they're not even physical matter 
anymore.


On 10/23/2015 6:23 AM, loriduncan wrote:
Hm, he really should have helped her, in return she could let him 
pass, and he could help both her and his Mother.  :)


-Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:30 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I yelled many an explitive at the Gray Lady I can tell you. LOL. As 
for the
King Gremlin as I like to call him, I actually would consider him more 
of a

miniboss since there's no cutscene or explanation before you fight him.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:35 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I totally agree with your sentiments. I think she should have been a
later boss too.

I was so frustrated that I was wishing for cheat codes, just so I could
get past her. But after a couple hours of trying, I finally beat her.
You need to hit her, then jump over her, then try to hit her again, and
jump in the opposite direction while she's frozen and screaming in pain.
Repeat the process until she's dead, which, frankly, does take far
longer than it should. I know I'm not explaining it well, and it didn't
make any sense to me either until I'd actually done it.

When I got to the little gremlin dude, as I call him, which is the
second boss, it was so much easier to beat him than the Gray Lady that I
was really questioning why he wasn't the first boss.

On 10/22/2015 4:35 PM, loriduncan wrote:
Hi guys, I'm really struggling to beat the Grey lady in The Gate.  
I've tried the jumping 4 times to the right away from her, then 
turning back and shooting, but nothing works.  I shoot and hit her 
once, then when I jump quickly to my right, she gets me, no matter 
how quickly I jump.  What am I doing wrong? It's really anoying me, 
especially as she's the first boss, she'd have been better off being 
a boss either on hard mode, or a later boss in the game.

From Lori.



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Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

[Shaun Everiss]

Or maybe a guide to what is going on, she doesn't want to be stuck in 
the stairs and I don't blame her.




On 23/10/2015 12:17 p.m., Desiree Oudinot wrote:

I agree. In return for helping her, you could have gotten a nice weapon,
perhaps one that killed ghosts from a longer range, or something that
would make sense for killing ghosts. It does seem a little silly to me
that a knife or an arrow kills them, as they're not even physical matter
anymore.

On 10/23/2015 6:23 AM, loriduncan wrote:

Hm, he really should have helped her, in return she could let him
pass, and he could help both her and his Mother.  :)

-Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:30 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I yelled many an explitive at the Gray Lady I can tell you. LOL. As
for the
King Gremlin as I like to call him, I actually would consider him more
of a
miniboss since there's no cutscene or explanation before you fight him.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:35 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I totally agree with your sentiments. I think she should have been a
later boss too.

I was so frustrated that I was wishing for cheat codes, just so I could
get past her. But after a couple hours of trying, I finally beat her.
You need to hit her, then jump over her, then try to hit her again, and
jump in the opposite direction while she's frozen and screaming in pain.
Repeat the process until she's dead, which, frankly, does take far
longer than it should. I know I'm not explaining it well, and it didn't
make any sense to me either until I'd actually done it.

When I got to the little gremlin dude, as I call him, which is the
second boss, it was so much easier to beat him than the Gray Lady that I
was really questioning why he wasn't the first boss.

On 10/22/2015 4:35 PM, loriduncan wrote:

Hi guys, I'm really struggling to beat the Grey lady in The Gate.
I've tried the jumping 4 times to the right away from her, then
turning back and shooting, but nothing works.  I shoot and hit her
once, then when I jump quickly to my right, she gets me, no matter
how quickly I jump.  What am I doing wrong? It's really anoying me,
especially as she's the first boss, she'd have been better off being
a boss either on hard mode, or a later boss in the game.

From Lori.



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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[dark]

I think that was in 2012 or so, but as I said they were long sinse dead 
before that, indeed to be honest I always wonder why there's so much 
discussion of bavisoft. The games are available for whoever wants to play 
them, and as I said they're probably worth at least one run for amusement 
value, however once you've played them there's not a lot else to say.


Even as far as the audio adventures genre goes much bigger and better things 
have been done sinse and will likely continue to be done in the future.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "john" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.



Oh sure they vanished long before - but I was talking about when folks
started officially declaring them gone, which was when (forum user whose
name I can't recall) got them kicked off the net.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

Hi John.

Bavisoft vanished  off the map long before their site shut down, indeed 
the
last I remember anyone hearing from them was in August of 2009, and that 
was

only a "please don't copy our games", nothing about the game compatibility
problems with newer windows, their future plans or most worrying of all
their lost orders, or why the hell they were persisting in trying to sell
games on cd that could be easily downloaded, indeed as far as I know 
nobody
recieved a new cd of a Bavisoft title sinse after 2008, and even before 
then

several orders went missing.

To set the hole matter to rest I tried to even phone Bavisoft myself after 
I

got hold of the founder's actual new york number through some creative use
of Google, and got what I believe is the American out of order sygnal, 
which

seems pretty conclusive proof.

Bottom line, Bavisoft seem to have dropped off the map as far as I'm
concerned, and they did so long before their website went bye bye.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[john]

ICANN, the internet corporation for assigned names and numbers, is basically 
the organization that manages domain (website) names, and keeps track of who 
has what website. They also require a certain degree of accountability from 
anybody who has a website - requiring a valid address, phone and email 
before you can set up a website - and its the term "valid" that got Bavisoft 
shut down.

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I hope this doesn't sound like too much of a silly question, but who/what is
icann?

Simon


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From: "john" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


Bavisoft didn't "close". They were "closed" (as in their site was shut down
by ICANN).

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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 20:42
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

Hi Jody,

Unfortunately, that is true. There is a lot of things the developer of
Bavisoft could have and probably should have done, but he strikes me
as not really giving a care. He wrote Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch
and after that pretty much let things go without too much in the way
of technical support, follow ups, and insuring people can legally
obtain his products once Bavisoft closed its doors for good. Its sad,
but in my opinion the games weren't that good to begin with so aren't
that much of a loss to the community in my opinion.

Cheers!


On 10/21/15, Jody McKinniss  wrote:
> What displeases me is that the developer didn't make arrangements for
> his games to be found after development ended.  At least BSC games
> could be found even when development had ended.
>
> On 10/21/15, Thomas Ward  wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I understand your position and why you disagree. However, as the
>> legality of sharing the Bavisoft games are in doubt we still consider
>> sharing them on list piracy. At least officially. What you and others
>> do off list is none of our concern and why I mentioned if anyone
>> wishes to share to please do so off list. Understand for legal reasons
>> we can not in good conscience allow the sharing of games in which the
>> developer/author has not expressly given us permission to share them.
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/15, goshawk on horseback 
>> wrote:
>>> not meaning to sound like I am trying to start any trouble, but baring
>>> in
>>> mind that the developer seems to have vanished with out a trace, I have
>>> to
>>> say, that I would beg to disagree.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Thomas Ward" 
>>> To: "goshawk on horseback" ;
>>> "Gamers
>>> Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just a note to the list. As Grizzly Gulch is still technically a
>>> commercial game and was never officially abandoned by the developer if
>>> you so wish to share the game with Simon please do so off list.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[john]

I suspect for the same reason folks ask for a lot of old games - they just 
want to see what it was like.
Either that, or they once played the game, no longer have it and want to 
play it again.

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:57
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

I think that was in 2012 or so, but as I said they were long sinse dead
before that, indeed to be honest I always wonder why there's so much
discussion of bavisoft. The games are available for whoever wants to play
them, and as I said they're probably worth at least one run for amusement
value, however once you've played them there's not a lot else to say.

Even as far as the audio adventures genre goes much bigger and better things
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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[goshawk on horseback]

I hope this doesn't sound like too much of a silly question, but who/what is 
icann?

Simon


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From: "john" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


Bavisoft didn't "close". They were "closed" (as in their site was shut down
by ICANN).

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From: "Thomas Ward" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 20:42
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

Hi Jody,

Unfortunately, that is true. There is a lot of things the developer of
Bavisoft could have and probably should have done, but he strikes me
as not really giving a care. He wrote Chillingham and Grizzly Gulch
and after that pretty much let things go without too much in the way
of technical support, follow ups, and insuring people can legally
obtain his products once Bavisoft closed its doors for good. Its sad,
but in my opinion the games weren't that good to begin with so aren't
that much of a loss to the community in my opinion.

Cheers!


On 10/21/15, Jody McKinniss  wrote:
> What displeases me is that the developer didn't make arrangements for
> his games to be found after development ended.  At least BSC games
> could be found even when development had ended.
>
> On 10/21/15, Thomas Ward  wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I understand your position and why you disagree. However, as the
>> legality of sharing the Bavisoft games are in doubt we still consider
>> sharing them on list piracy. At least officially. What you and others
>> do off list is none of our concern and why I mentioned if anyone
>> wishes to share to please do so off list. Understand for legal reasons
>> we can not in good conscience allow the sharing of games in which the
>> developer/author has not expressly given us permission to share them.
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/15, goshawk on horseback 
>> wrote:
>>> not meaning to sound like I am trying to start any trouble, but baring
>>> in
>>> mind that the developer seems to have vanished with out a trace, I have
>>> to
>>> say, that I would beg to disagree.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Thomas Ward" 
>>> To: "goshawk on horseback" ;
>>> "Gamers
>>> Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just a note to the list. As Grizzly Gulch is still technically a
>>> commercial game and was never officially abandoned by the developer if
>>> you so wish to share the game with Simon please do so off list.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[dark]

Hi John.

Bavisoft vanished  off the map long before their site shut down, indeed the 
last I remember anyone hearing from them was in August of 2009, and that was 
only a "please don't copy our games", nothing about the game compatibility 
problems with newer windows, their future plans or most worrying of all 
their lost orders, or why the hell they were persisting in trying to sell 
games on cd that could be easily downloaded, indeed as far as I know nobody 
recieved a new cd of a Bavisoft title sinse after 2008, and even before then 
several orders went missing.


To set the hole matter to rest I tried to even phone Bavisoft myself after I 
got hold of the founder's actual new york number through some creative use 
of Google, and got what I believe is the American out of order sygnal, which 
seems pretty conclusive proof.


Bottom line, Bavisoft seem to have dropped off the map as far as I'm 
concerned, and they did so long before their website went bye bye.


Beware the grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[john]

Oh sure they vanished long before - but I was talking about when folks 
started officially declaring them gone, which was when (forum user whose 
name I can't recall) got them kicked off the net.

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From: "dark" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:06
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

Hi John.

Bavisoft vanished  off the map long before their site shut down, indeed the
last I remember anyone hearing from them was in August of 2009, and that was
only a "please don't copy our games", nothing about the game compatibility
problems with newer windows, their future plans or most worrying of all
their lost orders, or why the hell they were persisting in trying to sell
games on cd that could be easily downloaded, indeed as far as I know nobody
recieved a new cd of a Bavisoft title sinse after 2008, and even before then
several orders went missing.

To set the hole matter to rest I tried to even phone Bavisoft myself after I
got hold of the founder's actual new york number through some creative use
of Google, and got what I believe is the American out of order sygnal, which
seems pretty conclusive proof.

Bottom line, Bavisoft seem to have dropped off the map as far as I'm
concerned, and they did so long before their website went bye bye.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[john]

I suspect there may also be a bit of psychology at work regarding their titles; meaning that Bavisoft has gotten a lot of attention. Not positive attention for sure, but attention nonetheless. Therefore, some folks will naturally want to see the 
subject of that attention.


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From: "dark" 

Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[dark]

I would agree John on that generally, however I seem to have seen more 
discussions of bavisoft's games than those from any other defunked developer 
for some reason, even Bsc hasn't generated this much sporadic interest, nor 
code factory despite their games being in the same genre as bavisoft's.


For some very odd reason, Bavisoft just keeps coming back in people's 
minds, and I'm really not sure why, sinse the games, while as I said worth a 
playespecially what I'd call landmark titles, not compared to something 
like superliam or  troopanum.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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From: "john" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.



I suspect for the same reason folks ask for a lot of old games - they just
want to see what it was like.
Either that, or they once played the game, no longer have it and want to
play it again.

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:57
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

I think that was in 2012 or so, but as I said they were long sinse dead
before that, indeed to be honest I always wonder why there's so much
discussion of bavisoft. The games are available for whoever wants to play
them, and as I said they're probably worth at least one run for amusement
value, however once you've played them there's not a lot else to say.

Even as far as the audio adventures genre goes much bigger and better 
things

have been done sinse and will likely continue to be done in the future.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.

[dark]

It's really random, especially when games like shard workshop's zero site, 
which to me was an exceptional flight simulation game with a lot of replay 
value seem to have been largely forgotten by the community.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: "john" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] looking for another game please.


I suspect there may also be a bit of psychology at work regarding their 
titles; meaning that Bavisoft has gotten a lot of attention. Not positive 
attention for sure, but attention nonetheless. Therefore, some folks will 
naturally want to see the subject of that attention.


- Original Message -
From: "dark" 

Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

[loriduncan]

Hm, he really should have helped her, in return she could let him pass, and 
he could help both her and his Mother.  :)


-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:30 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I yelled many an explitive at the Gray Lady I can tell you. LOL. As for the
King Gremlin as I like to call him, I actually would consider him more of a
miniboss since there's no cutscene or explanation before you fight him.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Desiree Oudinot

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:35 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Frustrated with the gate, beating the grey lady.

I totally agree with your sentiments. I think she should have been a
later boss too.

I was so frustrated that I was wishing for cheat codes, just so I could
get past her. But after a couple hours of trying, I finally beat her.
You need to hit her, then jump over her, then try to hit her again, and
jump in the opposite direction while she's frozen and screaming in pain.
Repeat the process until she's dead, which, frankly, does take far
longer than it should. I know I'm not explaining it well, and it didn't
make any sense to me either until I'd actually done it.

When I got to the little gremlin dude, as I call him, which is the
second boss, it was so much easier to beat him than the Gray Lady that I
was really questioning why he wasn't the first boss.

On 10/22/2015 4:35 PM, loriduncan wrote:
Hi guys, I'm really struggling to beat the Grey lady in The Gate.  I've 
tried the jumping 4 times to the right away from her, then turning back 
and shooting, but nothing works.  I shoot and hit her once, then when I 
jump quickly to my right, she gets me, no matter how quickly I jump.  What 
am I doing wrong? It's really anoying me, especially as she's the first 
boss, she'd have been better off being a boss either on hard mode, or a 
later boss in the game.

From Lori.



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