Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
yeah I know tom, as long as the core libs stay backward compatible I know a lot of stuff is 32 and 64 right now but eventually 32 bit will die. A lot still use 32 bit software even on 64 bit systems but you are right eventually that will change. At 01:20 AM 4/15/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, yes, driver updates will be one complication, but compatibility will also eventually be another reason to upgrade assuming the person has a desire to stay current. A lot of new software is being designed for a 64-bit OS, and while 32-bit versions are still being made available I don't expect that to remain the case after five years or so. When a certain majority of developers decide to go straight 64-bit that will effectively be the death of XP in terms of new games and applications for the OS. If you want to upgrade to a new version of Microsoft Office, Quicken Deluxe, or Soundforge Professional after that happens you will have to update both your hardware and OS at the same time. So XP users will be living on borrowed time so to speak. When I look back at how quickly the industry went from 16-bit to 32-bit it happened very very quickly. The last OS to have 16-bit support was the original release of Windows 95. A year later when the Intel 32-bit pentiums came out the second version of Windows 95 OS2 was 32-bit. Practically over night games and applications began switching to 32-bit and by the time Windows 98 came out in 98 new 16-bit apps were rare. It may not happen that quickly this time since 32-bit hardware and software has had longer to take hold, but make no mistake once all the software and hardware manufacturers decide to simply stop supporting 32-bit systems people will be forced to upgrade or be left behind in the dust. Cheers! On 4/14/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well as long as I have a machine that works or that can have xp I won't be going up and if I do it will be 7 that I go to not 8. Ofcause once xp stopps hardware manufacturers stop. so no drivers for any new stuf. Now right now thats probably not to bad, even if they stop next year that does mean a lot of new stuff up to i7 etc will still have minimal drivers for xp probably. but don't hold your life on it. my realtech card has not been updated since last year in june and sure enough my toshiba laptops I am looking at now don't use realtech cards and mostly intel ones. So chances are if you want a system that was released up to june 2012 you will have realtech cards after that well. It was the reason I moved from 98 among other things. Well networking was the other thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Well as long as I have a machine that works or that can have xp I won't be going up and if I do it will be 7 that I go to not 8. Ofcause once xp stopps hardware manufacturers stop. so no drivers for any new stuf. Now right now thats probably not to bad, even if they stop next year that does mean a lot of new stuff up to i7 etc will still have minimal drivers for xp probably. but don't hold your life on it. my realtech card has not been updated since last year in june and sure enough my toshiba laptops I am looking at now don't use realtech cards and mostly intel ones. So chances are if you want a system that was released up to june 2012 you will have realtech cards after that well. It was the reason I moved from 98 among other things. Well networking was the other thing. At 01:14 AM 4/14/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, while it is true Microsoft will discontinue updates and support for XP next year I somehow think it won't go away immediately. Remember a lot of blind users refuse to upgrade to Windows 7 or Windows 8, and plan to stick with XP as long as possible. As a result even though XP won't be an issue for Microsoft personally a lot of developers like myself still may have to support the platform in order to keep from losing sales by cutting those users off. There is always a few years grace period between when a OS gets dropped and when the majority of users actually get around to buying new computers with an updated OS on it. Take Win 98 for example. When I was developing STFC I got requests clear up to 2006 to support Windows 98 even though the OS was 8 years old, and was basically about to be dropped by Microsoft. I had to point out to those users that because I was developing using .NET that newer versions of .NET such as 3.0 and 3.5 would not run on Windows 98 and in order to support the platform I had to in effect go back to using older releases of the .NET Framework which would not be in my best interests just to support an out dated platform. The point being is either because of lack of money or simple desire not to change the V.I. community seems to be behind the mainstream market, and don't upgrade as quickly even if it would be in their best interests to do so. As a result even though XP might be dropped next year I don't count on the fact the majority of V.I. users will run out and buy new desktops and laptops with Win 8 on them. Eventually maybe, but it will take a year or two before that happens. :D Cheers! On 4/12/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well maybe making them not exist would be a good thing. xp is due to die in the next 1 year from this month, in april next year xp support is due to die. the games work on vista and 7 aparently but need a bit to get them working and on 8 they don't even work at all aparently. so they were state of the art but now they are so simple and well outdated to put it politely that its not worth it. I have them from somewhere but on the update which I plan to do this or next year its likely that these will be among the software I delete. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Shaun, Well, yes, driver updates will be one complication, but compatibility will also eventually be another reason to upgrade assuming the person has a desire to stay current. A lot of new software is being designed for a 64-bit OS, and while 32-bit versions are still being made available I don't expect that to remain the case after five years or so. When a certain majority of developers decide to go straight 64-bit that will effectively be the death of XP in terms of new games and applications for the OS. If you want to upgrade to a new version of Microsoft Office, Quicken Deluxe, or Soundforge Professional after that happens you will have to update both your hardware and OS at the same time. So XP users will be living on borrowed time so to speak. When I look back at how quickly the industry went from 16-bit to 32-bit it happened very very quickly. The last OS to have 16-bit support was the original release of Windows 95. A year later when the Intel 32-bit pentiums came out the second version of Windows 95 OS2 was 32-bit. Practically over night games and applications began switching to 32-bit and by the time Windows 98 came out in 98 new 16-bit apps were rare. It may not happen that quickly this time since 32-bit hardware and software has had longer to take hold, but make no mistake once all the software and hardware manufacturers decide to simply stop supporting 32-bit systems people will be forced to upgrade or be left behind in the dust. Cheers! On 4/14/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well as long as I have a machine that works or that can have xp I won't be going up and if I do it will be 7 that I go to not 8. Ofcause once xp stopps hardware manufacturers stop. so no drivers for any new stuf. Now right now thats probably not to bad, even if they stop next year that does mean a lot of new stuff up to i7 etc will still have minimal drivers for xp probably. but don't hold your life on it. my realtech card has not been updated since last year in june and sure enough my toshiba laptops I am looking at now don't use realtech cards and mostly intel ones. So chances are if you want a system that was released up to june 2012 you will have realtech cards after that well. It was the reason I moved from 98 among other things. Well networking was the other thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Shaun, Well, while it is true Microsoft will discontinue updates and support for XP next year I somehow think it won't go away immediately. Remember a lot of blind users refuse to upgrade to Windows 7 or Windows 8, and plan to stick with XP as long as possible. As a result even though XP won't be an issue for Microsoft personally a lot of developers like myself still may have to support the platform in order to keep from losing sales by cutting those users off. There is always a few years grace period between when a OS gets dropped and when the majority of users actually get around to buying new computers with an updated OS on it. Take Win 98 for example. When I was developing STFC I got requests clear up to 2006 to support Windows 98 even though the OS was 8 years old, and was basically about to be dropped by Microsoft. I had to point out to those users that because I was developing using .NET that newer versions of .NET such as 3.0 and 3.5 would not run on Windows 98 and in order to support the platform I had to in effect go back to using older releases of the .NET Framework which would not be in my best interests just to support an out dated platform. The point being is either because of lack of money or simple desire not to change the V.I. community seems to be behind the mainstream market, and don't upgrade as quickly even if it would be in their best interests to do so. As a result even though XP might be dropped next year I don't count on the fact the majority of V.I. users will run out and buy new desktops and laptops with Win 8 on them. Eventually maybe, but it will take a year or two before that happens. :D Cheers! On 4/12/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well maybe making them not exist would be a good thing. xp is due to die in the next 1 year from this month, in april next year xp support is due to die. the games work on vista and 7 aparently but need a bit to get them working and on 8 they don't even work at all aparently. so they were state of the art but now they are so simple and well outdated to put it politely that its not worth it. I have them from somewhere but on the update which I plan to do this or next year its likely that these will be among the software I delete. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
aggreed with you lisa. I did play these games still have them from somewhere but they won't work on 7 and replay value is essentually 0. they have never answered mail forum posts and they were asked nicely several times. In the end ag.net even allowed cracked coppies to go over forum, and even then they didn't even respond. Why and how they can keep going when they are clearly misbehaving in the community is beyond me. Boy I'd sure like to rip em a new one but they would probably not respond. At 09:46 PM 4/11/2013, you wrote: Thomas they don't have customer service that company is joke it really is. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Lindsay., Sad to say if we are talking Bavisoft sometime between a week and never. Their customer service is the worst of any audio game developer because they never answer their e-mail, and have to practically be threatened with a lawsuit to send the ordered materials. I would say get a refund. On 4/10/13, lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi All, My Sister-in-law bought me Chillingham from Bavisoft on CD on my birthday. She ordered it two weeks before 22 March, and it still hasn't arrived. She's entered a dispute with paypal, as it still hasn't arrived yet. Does anyone know how long it takes for stuff to come to the UK from America? I'm so excited. Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
what you do to make them run. At 02:34 AM 4/12/2013, you wrote: They do run on win7, with a small amount of effort. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:51:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Lisa, Lol. Yes, you are probably right. Bavisoft is a joke, because they haven't updated their software in 8 going on 9 years, take forever to ship CDs if ever, and never respond to their e-mail. Not to mention I've heard their games don't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8. That's the worst excuse for a game company I can think of. Cheers! On 4/11/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Thomas they don't have customer service that company is joke it really is. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Just to offer a correction, what actually happened was that since I noticed bavisoft only ever responded to people who threatened to pirate their games, I posted a topic on audiogames.net with the subject hacked copies of chillingham and grizly gulch available free for download and then the message actually contained a very serious enquiry as to their status, but they didn't even respond to that, and that was in 2010. For the record audiogames.net does not support posting of cracks and never will. As to bavisoft, well they're a waste of space as far as I'm concerned, I've even relabled their entries in the db as unknown license type and included notes to the effect that trying to order the games is basically throwing your money away. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Dark, That's more than I plan to do.. I will not include them in the Audyssey games list as that would seem like an endorsement of some kind. Even if I put warnings on their pages not to buy or deal with Bavisoft I feel if I have to do that might as well remove them completely from the list, and treat them as though they do not exist at all. Cheers! On 4/12/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Just to offer a correction, what actually happened was that since I noticed bavisoft only ever responded to people who threatened to pirate their games, I posted a topic on audiogames.net with the subject hacked copies of chillingham and grizly gulch available free for download and then the message actually contained a very serious enquiry as to their status, but they didn't even respond to that, and that was in 2010. For the record audiogames.net does not support posting of cracks and never will. As to bavisoft, well they're a waste of space as far as I'm concerned, I've even relabled their entries in the db as unknown license type and included notes to the effect that trying to order the games is basically throwing your money away. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Darren, Well, its nice to know they can be made to run on Win 7 so I stand corrected about that then. However, the point still remains that Bavisoft has not stayed up to date with changes in software, have not made an upgrade in like eight years, and are nearly impossible to contact. They are happy to take peoples' money, but have to be hounded to send the media which is a bad business all around. Cheers! On 4/11/13, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: They run under 7 just fine... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Tom. I know what you mean, but I'm loathed to remove them entirely, since they obviously still come up in conversation and it's helpful for people to know what is being talked about when we say for instance a menue based adventure system like chillingham even if the games aren't available from the company. Personally, I really wish they'd just declare them abandonware so that people could! freely distribute copies of the cd files, since obviously they're not interested in the games anymore, indeed if their website gave a 4004 and was completely gone I'd suggest possibly a community decision on to that effect be made, but since they are still officially going even though for all practical purposes they seem to have fallen off the face of the globe, we can't really do that. #Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
One thing I like is whenever that menu music for Chillingham comes on the radio on Classic FM, it always reminds meof the game, the same for if you're playing the Sarah game and are in Dumbledore's office you get the 4 Season's music playing. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:00 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Tom. I know what you mean, but I'm loathed to remove them entirely, since they obviously still come up in conversation and it's helpful for people to know what is being talked about when we say for instance a menue based adventure system like chillingham even if the games aren't available from the company. Personally, I really wish they'd just declare them abandonware so that people could! freely distribute copies of the cd files, since obviously they're not interested in the games anymore, indeed if their website gave a 4004 and was completely gone I'd suggest possibly a community decision on to that effect be made, but since they are still officially going even though for all practical purposes they seem to have fallen off the face of the globe, we can't really do that. #Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
well maybe making them not exist would be a good thing. xp is due to die in the next 1 year from this month, in april next year xp support is due to die. the games work on vista and 7 aparently but need a bit to get them working and on 8 they don't even work at all aparently. so they were state of the art but now they are so simple and well outdated to put it politely that its not worth it. I have them from somewhere but on the update which I plan to do this or next year its likely that these will be among the software I delete. At 12:49 AM 4/13/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, That's more than I plan to do.. I will not include them in the Audyssey games list as that would seem like an endorsement of some kind. Even if I put warnings on their pages not to buy or deal with Bavisoft I feel if I have to do that might as well remove them completely from the list, and treat them as though they do not exist at all. Cheers! On 4/12/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Just to offer a correction, what actually happened was that since I noticed bavisoft only ever responded to people who threatened to pirate their games, I posted a topic on audiogames.net with the subject hacked copies of chillingham and grizly gulch available free for download and then the message actually contained a very serious enquiry as to their status, but they didn't even respond to that, and that was in 2010. For the record audiogames.net does not support posting of cracks and never will. As to bavisoft, well they're a waste of space as far as I'm concerned, I've even relabled their entries in the db as unknown license type and included notes to the effect that trying to order the games is basically throwing your money away. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
I aggree tom. as they stand the games grizley gulch and chillingham are not that bad exactly. my issue with chillingham was mainly the combat system. you never run out of ammo and although in gg and chillingham you have the 5 position combat system which is quite hard you could get used to that. the puzzles in both games can be tedius you quickly get bored with them though some can be a challenge. There are a few things that could improve both games. 1. full fps style combat you can run out of amo. ofcause there would need to be places to get more. 2. if you get shot or bitten you actually die you don't currently you just loose all your cash. 3. 3d environment or at least one where you wander round. you should be able to run past enemies or jump over them. There are no traps for eather game. At 12:55 AM 4/13/2013, you wrote: Hi Darren, Well, its nice to know they can be made to run on Win 7 so I stand corrected about that then. However, the point still remains that Bavisoft has not stayed up to date with changes in software, have not made an upgrade in like eight years, and are nearly impossible to contact. They are happy to take peoples' money, but have to be hounded to send the media which is a bad business all around. Cheers! On 4/11/13, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: They run under 7 just fine... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
yeah sometimes sfx and music from some audiogames that were obviously other things come on and I can remember the game. its weird to hear some stuff out of context. Sometimes I may hear a sound from superliam or other games and think hold on why is this not starting then realise its the radio. At 06:06 AM 4/13/2013, you wrote: One thing I like is whenever that menu music for Chillingham comes on the radio on Classic FM, it always reminds meof the game, the same for if you're playing the Sarah game and are in Dumbledore's office you get the 4 Season's music playing. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:00 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Tom. I know what you mean, but I'm loathed to remove them entirely, since they obviously still come up in conversation and it's helpful for people to know what is being talked about when we say for instance a menue based adventure system like chillingham even if the games aren't available from the company. Personally, I really wish they'd just declare them abandonware so that people could! freely distribute copies of the cd files, since obviously they're not interested in the games anymore, indeed if their website gave a 4004 and was completely gone I'd suggest possibly a community decision on to that effect be made, but since they are still officially going even though for all practical purposes they seem to have fallen off the face of the globe, we can't really do that. #Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Lindsay. This is Ibrahim from the UK. I think my brother has a copy he no longer plays and would be happy to be rid of, contact me off list and we'll arrange something. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:46 PM To: Alfredo's Laptop computer Cc: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. I would love to get a copy of Chillingham. How can I? Lindsay Cowell -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. From: Alfredo's Laptop computer birdlover2...@hotmail.com Date: 10/04/2013 9:42 pm Hello, You should have refrained from purchasing something from an abandoned company. Since 2004, Bavisoft has stopped putting frequent updates about their developments. Since then, many copies of Chilling ham and Grizzly Gulch have been floating around. Let us know if you would like a copy if you still do not hear from them. Best wishes, -Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Lindsay., Sad to say if we are talking Bavisoft sometime between a week and never. Their customer service is the worst of any audio game developer because they never answer their e-mail, and have to practically be threatened with a lawsuit to send the ordered materials. I would say get a refund. On 4/10/13, lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi All, My Sister-in-law bought me Chillingham from Bavisoft on CD on my birthday. She ordered it two weeks before 22 March, and it still hasn't arrived. She's entered a dispute with paypal, as it still hasn't arrived yet. Does anyone know how long it takes for stuff to come to the UK from America? I'm so excited. Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thomas they don't have customer service that company is joke it really is. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Lindsay., Sad to say if we are talking Bavisoft sometime between a week and never. Their customer service is the worst of any audio game developer because they never answer their e-mail, and have to practically be threatened with a lawsuit to send the ordered materials. I would say get a refund. On 4/10/13, lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi All, My Sister-in-law bought me Chillingham from Bavisoft on CD on my birthday. She ordered it two weeks before 22 March, and it still hasn't arrived. She's entered a dispute with paypal, as it still hasn't arrived yet. Does anyone know how long it takes for stuff to come to the UK from America? I'm so excited. Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi Lisa, Lol. Yes, you are probably right. Bavisoft is a joke, because they haven't updated their software in 8 going on 9 years, take forever to ship CDs if ever, and never respond to their e-mail. Not to mention I've heard their games don't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8. That's the worst excuse for a game company I can think of. Cheers! On 4/11/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Thomas they don't have customer service that company is joke it really is. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
They do run on win7, with a small amount of effort. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:51:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Lisa, Lol. Yes, you are probably right. Bavisoft is a joke, because they haven't updated their software in 8 going on 9 years, take forever to ship CDs if ever, and never respond to their e-mail. Not to mention I've heard their games don't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8. That's the worst excuse for a game company I can think of. Cheers! On 4/11/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Thomas they don't have customer service that company is joke it really is. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
They run under 7 just fine... -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi Lisa, Lol. Yes, you are probably right. Bavisoft is a joke, because they haven't updated their software in 8 going on 9 years, take forever to ship CDs if ever, and never respond to their e-mail. Not to mention I've heard their games don't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8. That's the worst excuse for a game company I can think of. Cheers! On 4/11/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Thomas they don't have customer service that company is joke it really is. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi All, My Sister-in-law bought me Chillingham from Bavisoft on CD on my birthday. She ordered it two weeks before 22 March, and it still hasn't arrived. She's entered a dispute with paypal, as it still hasn't arrived yet. Does anyone know how long it takes for stuff to come to the UK from America? I'm so excited. Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hello, You should have refrained from purchasing something from an abandoned company. Since 2004, Bavisoft has stopped putting frequent updates about their developments. Since then, many copies of Chilling ham and Grizzly Gulch have been floating around. Let us know if you would like a copy if you still do not hear from them. Best wishes, -Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
chances are, you will not get it. The creater of chillingham has the infamous reputation of not sending orders out but cashing checks, so to speak. Good luck to your sister in law. Keith - Original Message - From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com To: Audyssey gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi All, My Sister-in-law bought me Chillingham from Bavisoft on CD on my birthday. She ordered it two weeks before 22 March, and it still hasn't arrived. She's entered a dispute with paypal, as it still hasn't arrived yet. Does anyone know how long it takes for stuff to come to the UK from America? I'm so excited. Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
I would love to get a copy of Chillingham. How can I? Lindsay Cowell -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. From: Alfredo's Laptop computer birdlover2...@hotmail.com Date: 10/04/2013 9:42 pm Hello, You should have refrained from purchasing something from an abandoned company. Since 2004, Bavisoft has stopped putting frequent updates about their developments. Since then, many copies of Chilling ham and Grizzly Gulch have been floating around. Let us know if you would like a copy if you still do not hear from them. Best wishes, -Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Agreed. More than likely your sister wasted her money. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Alfredo's Laptop computer Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:42 PM To: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com ; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hello, You should have refrained from purchasing something from an abandoned company. Since 2004, Bavisoft has stopped putting frequent updates about their developments. Since then, many copies of Chilling ham and Grizzly Gulch have been floating around. Let us know if you would like a copy if you still do not hear from them. Best wishes, -Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hello I'm not shore but I orderd a Razbery pii from the UK and it got here to the states in like 5 or 6 days. So I would think it would b about the same. Hth James -Original Message- From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com [mailto:lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:32 PM Subject: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham. Hi All, My Sister-in-law bought me Chillingham from Bavisoft on CD on my birthday. She ordered it two weeks before 22 March, and it still hasn't arrived. She's entered a dispute with paypal, as it still hasn't arrived yet. Does anyone know how long it takes for stuff to come to the UK from America? I'm so excited. Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I'm sad: Chillingham.
Hi, Don't feel bad, you're not the only one who's experienced this situation with Bavisoft. A few years ago, a friend of mine from the US ordered one of their games, and it took almost a month to get to him. And this was with a PayPal order. Needless to say, he told me afterwords that he would never order anything from Bavisoft again. You'd think in this day and age that they'd just make their games available for download after payment, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Hope this helps. Yours Sincerely, Kelly John Sapergia Show Host and Production Director The Global Voice Internet Radio www.theglobalvoice.info Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
