Re: [Audyssey] Chess or Mahjong

2015-06-12 Thread Jeremy Brown
Thanks Dark, I'll pursue this further.  I am interested enough, both
as a blind gamer myself, and as a designer in the challenges, that I
don't want to totally give this up, but right now, I have several
other irons in the fire, and this did not turn out quite as simple a
situation as I was hoping.  (Is it ever?)  Take care,

Jeremy



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> I actually went and  researched Mahjong in response to this topic.
>
> A lot of the complexity of coding such a beast would be your
> definition of what Mahjong is.
>
> There's apparently a number of different variations ranging from
> relatively simple to immensely complex.  Our card game Rummy is based
> on it.  I studied a couple of simpler multi-player versions, and had a
> simpler solitaire set up explained to me by my wife.  The game's setup
> as a solitaire game presents some unique challenges in an audio
> environment, having multiple levels, some of which you can see only
> partially that all must be displayed more or less simultaneously.  In
> the traditional games, the challenge is more one of mastering the rule
> sets well enough to create a game that accurately reproduces the game
> play.
>
> Warning: I did not investigate American Mahjong extensively because it
> appears much simpler and more derivative from the original versions.
> That said, it might be a way to progress.  If I were to attempt it,
> with the help of my pet coder (hi Aaron! that's you), I'd lean toward
> doing a multi-player version based on the Hong Kong old style rules I
> studied.  They seemed simple enough to master relatively easily,
> complex enough to be interesting, and different enough from card games
> to present a unique challenge.  That said, I don't see it happening
> any time soon.  I need to get a Mahjong set and experiment with it
> before I could design an AI that played even reasonably well.
>
> Take care,
>
> Jeremy
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> I believe the game toodle tiles from american printing house for the blind
> was based on the solo version of mahjong, or one of them at any rate, but to
>
> be honest between the game's serious repackaging as a gamefirmly and
> distinctly aimed at children (even the documentation is written to sell to
> teachers), and the fact I've never got the demo of the bloody thing to work,
>
> I can't say for certain either way.
>
> Still, you can find links on audiogames.net. Once upon a time there was a
> podcast about the game which I heard (which is where I know a little from),
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> but god knows where it has gone, I believe it was on the noew defunked
> blindcooltech.
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> All the best,
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> Dark.
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>>I actually went and  researched Mahjong in response to this topic.
>>
>> A lot of the complexity of coding such a beast would be your
>> definition of what Mahjong is.
>>
>> There's apparently a number of different variations ranging from
>> relatively simple to immensely complex.  Our card game Rummy is based
>> on it.  I studied a couple of simpler multi-player versions, and had a
>> simpler solita

Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong

2015-06-11 Thread dark
I believe the game toodle tiles from american printing house for the blind 
was based on the solo version of mahjong, or one of them at any rate, but to 
be honest between the game's serious repackaging as a gamefirmly and 
distinctly aimed at children (even the documentation is written to sell to 
teachers), and the fact I've never got the demo of the bloody thing to work, 
I can't say for certain either way.


Still, you can find links on audiogames.net. Once upon a time there was a 
podcast about the game which I heard (which is where I know a little from), 
but god knows where it has gone, I believe it was on the noew defunked 
blindcooltech.




All the best,

Dark.
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To: "gamers" 
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong



I actually went and  researched Mahjong in response to this topic.

A lot of the complexity of coding such a beast would be your
definition of what Mahjong is.

There's apparently a number of different variations ranging from
relatively simple to immensely complex.  Our card game Rummy is based
on it.  I studied a couple of simpler multi-player versions, and had a
simpler solitaire set up explained to me by my wife.  The game's setup
as a solitaire game presents some unique challenges in an audio
environment, having multiple levels, some of which you can see only
partially that all must be displayed more or less simultaneously.  In
the traditional games, the challenge is more one of mastering the rule
sets well enough to create a game that accurately reproduces the game
play.

Warning: I did not investigate American Mahjong extensively because it
appears much simpler and more derivative from the original versions.
That said, it might be a way to progress.  If I were to attempt it,
with the help of my pet coder (hi Aaron! that's you), I'd lean toward
doing a multi-player version based on the Hong Kong old style rules I
studied.  They seemed simple enough to master relatively easily,
complex enough to be interesting, and different enough from card games
to present a unique challenge.  That said, I don't see it happening
any time soon.  I need to get a Mahjong set and experiment with it
before I could design an AI that played even reasonably well.

Take care,

Jeremy


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[Audyssey] chess or mahjong

2015-06-11 Thread Jeremy Brown
I actually went and  researched Mahjong in response to this topic.

A lot of the complexity of coding such a beast would be your
definition of what Mahjong is.

There's apparently a number of different variations ranging from
relatively simple to immensely complex.  Our card game Rummy is based
on it.  I studied a couple of simpler multi-player versions, and had a
simpler solitaire set up explained to me by my wife.  The game's setup
as a solitaire game presents some unique challenges in an audio
environment, having multiple levels, some of which you can see only
partially that all must be displayed more or less simultaneously.  In
the traditional games, the challenge is more one of mastering the rule
sets well enough to create a game that accurately reproduces the game
play.

Warning: I did not investigate American Mahjong extensively because it
appears much simpler and more derivative from the original versions.
That said, it might be a way to progress.  If I were to attempt it,
with the help of my pet coder (hi Aaron! that's you), I'd lean toward
doing a multi-player version based on the Hong Kong old style rules I
studied.  They seemed simple enough to master relatively easily,
complex enough to be interesting, and different enough from card games
to present a unique challenge.  That said, I don't see it happening
any time soon.  I need to get a Mahjong set and experiment with it
before I could design an AI that played even reasonably well.

Take care,

Jeremy


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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-11 Thread dark
The spoonbill games do tend to be very well designed and put together, even 
their simpler ones like mastermind with lots of random features etc.


I haven't particularly got into their chess challenge game sinse I don't 
find I can play chess looking at a board square by square but would want the 
hole board in front of me, but I am rather fond of their whist and cribbage 
games. Their hearts is good too though I can usually wipe the floor with the 
computer on that one :D.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?


thanks, sounds good I just ordered it along with 3 or 4 of their other 
games.


Josh

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On 6/10/2015 5:50 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

What about the spoonbill chess game for PC?

http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/bgchess.htm

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- Original Message - From: "Josh K" 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



its too bad the windows chess can't have an NVDA addon to make it more
accessible. it is mostly accessible i think but I'm not sure what 
keyboard
commands to use to play it. the windows7 chess titans game that is. I 
can

arrow over the board no problem. it reads the board and pieces and if
spaces are empty. i don't think it would take much to make it completely
accessible plus its free.

Josh

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 6/10/2015 4:46 AM, dark wrote:

There are the two Kchess games, elite and advanced from arc angle
software that have play against the computer, I've also heard shreader
for Ios is accessible though I'm not certain on that one.

As for Mahjong unfortunately not that I know, indeed I slightly wish
there were sinse I have never played Mahjong but would be interested in
learning.

All the best,

Dark.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



hi
are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play
against the computer?

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Josh K
thanks, sounds good I just ordered it along with 3 or 4 of their other 
games.


Josh

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On 6/10/2015 5:50 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

What about the spoonbill chess game for PC?

http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/bgchess.htm

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- Original Message - From: "Josh K" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



its too bad the windows chess can't have an NVDA addon to make it more
accessible. it is mostly accessible i think but I'm not sure what 
keyboard
commands to use to play it. the windows7 chess titans game that is. I 
can

arrow over the board no problem. it reads the board and pieces and if
spaces are empty. i don't think it would take much to make it completely
accessible plus its free.

Josh

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 6/10/2015 4:46 AM, dark wrote:

There are the two Kchess games, elite and advanced from arc angle
software that have play against the computer, I've also heard shreader
for Ios is accessible though I'm not certain on that one.

As for Mahjong unfortunately not that I know, indeed I slightly wish
there were sinse I have never played Mahjong but would be interested in
learning.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message - From: "Josh K" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



hi
are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play
against the computer?

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Travis Siegel
the chess game that comes with OSX for the mac is completely accessible, but 
few folks on list have a mac, so ...

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> hi
> are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play against 
> the computer?
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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Jacob Kruger

What about the spoonbill chess game for PC?

http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/bgchess.htm

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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh K" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



its too bad the windows chess can't have an NVDA addon to make it more
accessible. it is mostly accessible i think but I'm not sure what keyboard
commands to use to play it. the windows7 chess titans game that is. I can
arrow over the board no problem. it reads the board and pieces and if
spaces are empty. i don't think it would take much to make it completely
accessible plus its free.

Josh

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 6/10/2015 4:46 AM, dark wrote:

There are the two Kchess games, elite and advanced from arc angle
software that have play against the computer, I've also heard shreader
for Ios is accessible though I'm not certain on that one.

As for Mahjong unfortunately not that I know, indeed I slightly wish
there were sinse I have never played Mahjong but would be interested in
learning.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message - From: "Josh K" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



hi
are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play
against the computer?

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Josh K
a program for my pc. chess titans that comes with winidows7 seems to be 
pretty accessible but I'm not sure how to play it with the keyboard.


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re you looking for an app for an iDevice? or are you looking for a 
program for your PC?


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hi
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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Josh K
its too bad the windows chess can't have an NVDA addon to make it more 
accessible. it is mostly accessible i think but I'm not sure what 
keyboard commands to use to play it. the windows7 chess titans game that 
is. I can arrow over the board no problem. it reads the board and pieces 
and if spaces are empty. i don't think it would take much to make it 
completely accessible plus its free.


Josh

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On 6/10/2015 4:46 AM, dark wrote:
There are the two Kchess games, elite and advanced from arc angle 
software that have play against the computer, I've also heard shreader 
for Ios is accessible though I'm not certain on that one.


As for Mahjong unfortunately not that I know, indeed I slightly wish 
there were sinse I have never played Mahjong but would be interested 
in learning.


All the best,

Dark.
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hi
are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play 
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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Charles Rivard
re you looking for an app for an iDevice? or are you looking for a program 
for your PC?


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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread Charles Rivard
Shredder Chess for the iPhone is very accessible.  I use it extensively. 
The only thing that I find that you cannot do using Voice-Over is to set up 
and play from a position.


As for the Arkangles software, the Elite is the one that I would prefer.  It 
is better than the Advanced.


Speaking of chess, for those interested, there are two chess events at a 
voice chat site, and signing up is free and pain less.  Check out


www.Out-Of-Sight.net


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?


There are the two Kchess games, elite and advanced from arc angle software 
that have play against the computer, I've also heard shreader for Ios is 
accessible though I'm not certain on that one.


As for Mahjong unfortunately not that I know, indeed I slightly wish there 
were sinse I have never played Mahjong but would be interested in 
learning.


All the best,

Dark.
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hi
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Re: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-10 Thread dark
There are the two Kchess games, elite and advanced from arc angle software 
that have play against the computer, I've also heard shreader for Ios is 
accessible though I'm not certain on that one.


As for Mahjong unfortunately not that I know, indeed I slightly wish there 
were sinse I have never played Mahjong but would be interested in learning.


All the best,

Dark.
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Subject: [Audyssey] chess or mahjong?



hi
are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play against 
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[Audyssey] chess or mahjong?

2015-06-09 Thread Josh K

hi
are there any accessible chess or mahjong games where you can play 
against the computer?


Josh

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