Re: [Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Cara, Lol! Oh, I sincerely wish I was releasing something tomorrow, but I am glad you got my point. The basic idea was if a developer says he or she will release something tomorrow he or she better back it up or the wrath of the community will befall that man or woman. This community has as much patients as a man eating tiger with an empty stomach. :D Cheers! On 4/25/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Thomas! why didn't you tell us before that you are releasing tomorrow?! Wow, I can't wait, this is awesome! Oh, btw, you'd better have it out or else we'll have it out with you! lol! Sorry, just had to! Smirk! Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Dallas, Yeah, good point. Mainstream companies usually don't give advanced warning of when they are releasing something and when they do its usually pretty near complete. They might advertise something and offer a pre-order sale like a week or so in advance but they don't announce something one or two years in advance and leave people hanging in the wind until then. By that time people will have forgotten the game and will have moved onto something cooler. Cheers! On 4/25/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: yeah. exactly. also, another thing to note. in the mainstream gaming world, they don't usualy tell people something is coming out, till its coming out. lol. or they advertise it, but only when its actually complete, and ready for shipping, and they are just completing the process of supplying the stock to all the shops, ready to start selling on the day of the opening. personally, this kind of thing is what devs in the audio games community should do also. that way, it stops the problem of people getting all wound up, then disappointed, when its not out when the dev said it would be. also, that way, your more likely to sell larger amounts apone sale, rather then people being a bit sdisappointed, and the excitement has warn off. if a dev comes out and says, we have this new game coming out today! buy it now for 20 dollars! people are far more likely to jump and buy it. because if its what they want, as in, if its the kind of thing they are looking for, they will likely spend the money on a whim, at that moment. where as if they knew, 3 months before, that its coming out, the excitement has had time to ware off, and although they do still want it probably, they will question spending that money, far more. simple sales methods like that, is what makes the money, really. regards: Dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
well speaking from my experience as a former pirate and crack nut there are a few simple things devs can do to minimise this. Firstly no one will buy your software if the price is to high or if it needs to be they are not getting what they would concider enough. If people can't afford things and want them the only thing to do is crack it and you get it. unless you can pay in installments say for example the blindsoftware package, maybe pay 10 bucks or 20 bucks a month, and you would eventually pay it off vary few software titles for the blind actually do this. have promos and competitions to win free software but encourage the gamers to participate and interact with things we have not to many of these and these would improve things in the community. Communication. its a no brainer but even if you don't have anything even if you only communicate twice a year or something at least people think you are doing something rather than have you just go quiet. At 09:59 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi tom. I agree in principle, the hardware keygen system hurts the legitimate customers, and ultimately doesn't stop the pirates, just makes piracy harder. That being said, i do usually have confidence that if a games company closes it's doors and packs up, they will offer something to posterity. This is why even though I bought tarzan junior back in 2006, I still have the game despite it being abandonware, since Philip insured that the game was playable even when he was no longer able to generate keys. Same goes for DanZ, self destruct and terraformers, and the last is really surprising given the many people involved in the project (check the credits). This is one reason i am so displeased at justin's decision. the fact that he is abandoning his games is sad enough, but that he is offering nothing to gamers further down the line who miss his closing down sale, heck, i wouldn't have minded if he sold the distribution of the keygen to audeasy or audiogames.net as you suggested yourself. it is not about the sounds and music, or ability to mod the games, it is simply about preserving the work that someone has done. While I wouldn't reffuse to buy a game such as any updates from Gma or blind adrenaline with hardware keygens, I do hope if ever either of them goes out of business, they will make the right decision. Ditto with vip gameszone, indeed since we haven't heard any news of further developement from them (I know they were working on a business and stocks simulation), this might even become current. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Shaun, Well, regarding a payment plan most developers are not equipped to take payments on a monthly basis whatever. Sure someone could send me $5.00 per month via Paypal but then I have to keep accurate records of how much each person paid and send out monthly statements which could get to be a hassle. Especially, considering the fact that most games are around %$25 and I figure most people can pay that off in one lump some anyway. As far as communication goes I think some people have a very pessimistic view of game developers and their motives to begin with so I'm not surprised if a developer goes silent for six months people begin assuming they have gone out of business. We saw this with Draconis when they took time to develop their new cross-platform engine, and there were all kinds of speculation that Draconis was going out of business, they have no new games coming, that the aren't updating their games, whatever just because Josh isn't very vocal about what he is doing from month to month. Then, when he did come back with that dragon awakens message there were reactions like, I'll believe it when I see it. While I can understand their skepticism and cynicism to a point that still doesn't give them the right to say so and so is dead so I'll pirate it. The thing that some of these people fail to miss is that some of us have been very vocal on Audyssey, Audiogames.net, whatever and have to put up with a lot of bologna from people too. If a game developer announces he is working on super game x he will be bombarded by emails with questions like, when will the game be released, which are just going to waste the developer's time answering questions like that. If the developer speculates at a release date like it will be released on April 25, 2013 then come hell or high water it better be released on April 25, 2013 or there will be a hundred angry game developers calling him names and flaming him to hell and back when there may be perfectly good reasons why the release was delayed. We don't need that kind of crap either, and that is why some developers choose to just lie low. Cheers! On 4/24/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well speaking from my experience as a former pirate and crack nut there are a few simple things devs can do to minimise this. Firstly no one will buy your software if the price is to high or if it needs to be they are not getting what they would concider enough. If people can't afford things and want them the only thing to do is crack it and you get it. unless you can pay in installments say for example the blindsoftware package, maybe pay 10 bucks or 20 bucks a month, and you would eventually pay it off vary few software titles for the blind actually do this. have promos and competitions to win free software but encourage the gamers to participate and interact with things we have not to many of these and these would improve things in the community. Communication. its a no brainer but even if you don't have anything even if you only communicate twice a year or something at least people think you are doing something rather than have you just go quiet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
yeah. exactly. also, another thing to note. in the mainstream gaming world, they don't usualy tell people something is coming out, till its coming out. lol. or they advertise it, but only when its actually complete, and ready for shipping, and they are just completing the process of supplying the stock to all the shops, ready to start selling on the day of the opening. personally, this kind of thing is what devs in the audio games community should do also. that way, it stops the problem of people getting all wound up, then disappointed, when its not out when the dev said it would be. also, that way, your more likely to sell larger amounts apone sale, rather then people being a bit sdisappointed, and the excitement has warn off. if a dev comes out and says, we have this new game coming out today! buy it now for 20 dollars! people are far more likely to jump and buy it. because if its what they want, as in, if its the kind of thing they are looking for, they will likely spend the money on a whim, at that moment. where as if they knew, 3 months before, that its coming out, the excitement has had time to ware off, and although they do still want it probably, they will question spending that money, far more. simple sales methods like that, is what makes the money, really. regards: Dallas On 25/04/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, regarding a payment plan most developers are not equipped to take payments on a monthly basis whatever. Sure someone could send me $5.00 per month via Paypal but then I have to keep accurate records of how much each person paid and send out monthly statements which could get to be a hassle. Especially, considering the fact that most games are around %$25 and I figure most people can pay that off in one lump some anyway. As far as communication goes I think some people have a very pessimistic view of game developers and their motives to begin with so I'm not surprised if a developer goes silent for six months people begin assuming they have gone out of business. We saw this with Draconis when they took time to develop their new cross-platform engine, and there were all kinds of speculation that Draconis was going out of business, they have no new games coming, that the aren't updating their games, whatever just because Josh isn't very vocal about what he is doing from month to month. Then, when he did come back with that dragon awakens message there were reactions like, I'll believe it when I see it. While I can understand their skepticism and cynicism to a point that still doesn't give them the right to say so and so is dead so I'll pirate it. The thing that some of these people fail to miss is that some of us have been very vocal on Audyssey, Audiogames.net, whatever and have to put up with a lot of bologna from people too. If a game developer announces he is working on super game x he will be bombarded by emails with questions like, when will the game be released, which are just going to waste the developer's time answering questions like that. If the developer speculates at a release date like it will be released on April 25, 2013 then come hell or high water it better be released on April 25, 2013 or there will be a hundred angry game developers calling him names and flaming him to hell and back when there may be perfectly good reasons why the release was delayed. We don't need that kind of crap either, and that is why some developers choose to just lie low. Cheers! On 4/24/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well speaking from my experience as a former pirate and crack nut there are a few simple things devs can do to minimise this. Firstly no one will buy your software if the price is to high or if it needs to be they are not getting what they would concider enough. If people can't afford things and want them the only thing to do is crack it and you get it. unless you can pay in installments say for example the blindsoftware package, maybe pay 10 bucks or 20 bucks a month, and you would eventually pay it off vary few software titles for the blind actually do this. have promos and competitions to win free software but encourage the gamers to participate and interact with things we have not to many of these and these would improve things in the community. Communication. its a no brainer but even if you don't have anything even if you only communicate twice a year or something at least people think you are doing something rather than have you just go quiet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of
Re: [Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Thomas! why didn't you tell us before that you are releasing tomorrow?! Wow, I can't wait, this is awesome! Oh, btw, you'd better have it out or else we'll have it out with you! lol! Sorry, just had to! Smirk! Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, regarding a payment plan most developers are not equipped to take payments on a monthly basis whatever. Sure someone could send me $5.00 per month via Paypal but then I have to keep accurate records of how much each person paid and send out monthly statements which could get to be a hassle. Especially, considering the fact that most games are around %$25 and I figure most people can pay that off in one lump some anyway. As far as communication goes I think some people have a very pessimistic view of game developers and their motives to begin with so I'm not surprised if a developer goes silent for six months people begin assuming they have gone out of business. We saw this with Draconis when they took time to develop their new cross-platform engine, and there were all kinds of speculation that Draconis was going out of business, they have no new games coming, that the aren't updating their games, whatever just because Josh isn't very vocal about what he is doing from month to month. Then, when he did come back with that dragon awakens message there were reactions like, I'll believe it when I see it. While I can understand their skepticism and cynicism to a point that still doesn't give them the right to say so and so is dead so I'll pirate it. The thing that some of these people fail to miss is that some of us have been very vocal on Audyssey, Audiogames.net, whatever and have to put up with a lot of bologna from people too. If a game developer announces he is working on super game x he will be bombarded by emails with questions like, when will the game be released, which are just going to waste the developer's time answering questions like that. If the developer speculates at a release date like it will be released on April 25, 2013 then come hell or high water it better be released on April 25, 2013 or there will be a hundred angry game developers calling him names and flaming him to hell and back when there may be perfectly good reasons why the release was delayed. We don't need that kind of crap either, and that is why some developers choose to just lie low. Cheers! On 4/24/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well speaking from my experience as a former pirate and crack nut there are a few simple things devs can do to minimise this. Firstly no one will buy your software if the price is to high or if it needs to be they are not getting what they would concider enough. If people can't afford things and want them the only thing to do is crack it and you get it. unless you can pay in installments say for example the blindsoftware package, maybe pay 10 bucks or 20 bucks a month, and you would eventually pay it off vary few software titles for the blind actually do this. have promos and competitions to win free software but encourage the gamers to participate and interact with things we have not to many of these and these would improve things in the community. Communication. its a no brainer but even if you don't have anything even if you only communicate twice a year or something at least people think you are doing something rather than have you just go quiet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi tom. I agree in principle, the hardware keygen system hurts the legitimate customers, and ultimately doesn't stop the pirates, just makes piracy harder. That being said, i do usually have confidence that if a games company closes it's doors and packs up, they will offer something to posterity. This is why even though I bought tarzan junior back in 2006, I still have the game despite it being abandonware, since Philip insured that the game was playable even when he was no longer able to generate keys. Same goes for DanZ, self destruct and terraformers, and the last is really surprising given the many people involved in the project (check the credits). This is one reason i am so displeased at justin's decision. the fact that he is abandoning his games is sad enough, but that he is offering nothing to gamers further down the line who miss his closing down sale, heck, i wouldn't have minded if he sold the distribution of the keygen to audeasy or audiogames.net as you suggested yourself. it is not about the sounds and music, or ability to mod the games, it is simply about preserving the work that someone has done. While I wouldn't reffuse to buy a game such as any updates from Gma or blind adrenaline with hardware keygens, I do hope if ever either of them goes out of business, they will make the right decision. Ditto with vip gameszone, indeed since we haven't heard any news of further developement from them (I know they were working on a business and stocks simulation), this might even become current. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
