Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
its a pitty ms are not apple, its been something I have been thinking of for a while even though they are a bit expensive. I have to much to switch to mac invested in windows, though if I did it all over again I'd have mac, maybe linux, and maybe some old probably semi alegal windows for gaming or whatever heck I may have just skipped this os alltogether. Though since I have invested in upgrades to use 7 with some systems here I can't see myself moving any time soon. I don't care for touchscreens either. Don't think they will listen, because the next move Microsoft is going towards is touch screen and forget the keyboard. Just like with them sloughing off accessibility. At 10:56 PM 4/20/2011, you wrote: Yep. When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low end would drag down everything. Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something simpler as in previous versions of windows. I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different things. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
well I know there was some argument with current screen manufacturers earlier about ms taking over reader markets and saying it would only work with ms stuf. Narater, well what good is it. nvda is a glorified narater at any rate. It will do about 99% of all programs that have coman controls in fact with those that use all the ms stuff it runs closer to full use of all the features than comercial readers do. ANd it doesn't care what graphics card you have. Actually, windows 8 is in early alpha stages and I know a blind user who's testing it. Narrator actually is taking on some apple concepts of screen navigation, so who knows. Maybe ms will continue it. - Original Message - From: "Trouble" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence Don't think they will listen, because the next move Microsoft is going towards is touch screen and forget the keyboard. Just like with them sloughing off accessibility. At 10:56 PM 4/20/2011, you wrote: Yep. When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low end would drag down everything. Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something simpler as in previous versions of windows. I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different things. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
its a pitty ribbons can't be turned off to in such things as office. Yes the i3 my brother uses is cool and yeah I only use it to keep it updated and don't have to do much bar search for things but then its not mine. If it was I think I would have done some major system fiddling ages ago though I like bits of the interface. Hi Dark, Definitely. There are a lot of people who are turned off by the high-end graphics and animation in Windows 7. Including me, because I have to have a pretty high-end computer just to run the OS let alone any apps. Then, because of all that 3d Windows Arrow interface that 3 GHZ system with 2 GB of ram etc runs no better than a 1 GHZ system with 512 MB of ram with XP just because of the extra bloat. Here is a nice little comparison for you. Windows XP 500 MHZ processor, 128 MB ram, and 1 GB free hard drive space. That's the initial system requirements for the OS as I recall. Here is Windows 7. Windows 7 1 GHZ processor, 1 GB ram, and at least 4 GB hard drive space. Which is way more than XP in terms of basic specs. It requires four times the hard drive space, twice the processor power, and 10 times the memory. Talk about bloat! This is one reason my wife and I are looking at open source alternitives. Even though Ubuntu is looking at more graphics intensive user interfaces like Unity you still have the option to turn it off and use the classic desktop if you want to. Plus they have a XUbuntu version that was designed for low-end machines and low memory environments. So I think Linux has the right idea here. For new Windows users the only option is something like Classic Shell. I've tried it and it is a really nice piece of software. It basically gives you options to turn off Windows Arrow, a lot of the animations, use classic folder views, use classic start menu, etc which is 100 times more accessible than the defaults you get with Windows 7. Plus by turning off all that graphical garbage the OS runs better too. H..I wonder why? Cheers! On 4/20/11, dark wrote: > Yep. > > When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road > graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, > who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low > end would drag down everything. > > Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another > reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time > I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It > services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system > intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. > > In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have > friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some > people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something > simpler as in previous versions of windows. > > I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which > converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the > xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is > probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different > things. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
Actually, windows 8 is in early alpha stages and I know a blind user who's testing it. Narrator actually is taking on some apple concepts of screen navigation, so who knows. Maybe ms will continue it. - Original Message - From: "Trouble" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence Don't think they will listen, because the next move Microsoft is going towards is touch screen and forget the keyboard. Just like with them sloughing off accessibility. At 10:56 PM 4/20/2011, you wrote: Yep. When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low end would drag down everything. Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something simpler as in previous versions of windows. I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different things. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
Don't think they will listen, because the next move Microsoft is going towards is touch screen and forget the keyboard. Just like with them sloughing off accessibility. At 10:56 PM 4/20/2011, you wrote: Yep. When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low end would drag down everything. Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something simpler as in previous versions of windows. I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different things. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
Hi Dark, Definitely. There are a lot of people who are turned off by the high-end graphics and animation in Windows 7. Including me, because I have to have a pretty high-end computer just to run the OS let alone any apps. Then, because of all that 3d Windows Arrow interface that 3 GHZ system with 2 GB of ram etc runs no better than a 1 GHZ system with 512 MB of ram with XP just because of the extra bloat. Here is a nice little comparison for you. Windows XP 500 MHZ processor, 128 MB ram, and 1 GB free hard drive space. That's the initial system requirements for the OS as I recall. Here is Windows 7. Windows 7 1 GHZ processor, 1 GB ram, and at least 4 GB hard drive space. Which is way more than XP in terms of basic specs. It requires four times the hard drive space, twice the processor power, and 10 times the memory. Talk about bloat! This is one reason my wife and I are looking at open source alternitives. Even though Ubuntu is looking at more graphics intensive user interfaces like Unity you still have the option to turn it off and use the classic desktop if you want to. Plus they have a XUbuntu version that was designed for low-end machines and low memory environments. So I think Linux has the right idea here. For new Windows users the only option is something like Classic Shell. I've tried it and it is a really nice piece of software. It basically gives you options to turn off Windows Arrow, a lot of the animations, use classic folder views, use classic start menu, etc which is 100 times more accessible than the defaults you get with Windows 7. Plus by turning off all that graphical garbage the OS runs better too. H..I wonder why? Cheers! On 4/20/11, dark wrote: > Yep. > > When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road > graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, > who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low > end would drag down everything. > > Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another > reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time > I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It > services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system > intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. > > In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have > friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some > people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something > simpler as in previous versions of windows. > > I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which > converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the > xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is > probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different > things. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Implementing graphic in games with and withoutsidedassistence
Yep. When I bought my first xp desktop in 2005, I got a middle of the road graphics card on the advice of the nice local place who were building my pc, who told me that high end was only necessary to run uba 3D games, but low end would drag down everything. Now, as Tom said, the basic spec for windows has gone up a lot, another reason why I'm sticking to xp for the time being, sinse hopefuly by the time I need to upgrade, enough people (as I've heard those very up in the It services markit say), will be narked with the fancy, flashy, system intensive interface enough to force ms to give some sort of alternative. In fairness I'm not just talking about visually impared people here, I have friends who are equally annoyed with it, also ironically, I do know some people who say they find it too! complex and confusing and want something simpler as in previous versions of windows. I've already heard of an open source alternative called classic shell which converts much of the windows 7 and vista gui to look like, and resemble the xp model, maybe ms will actually listen, though I admit this is probably a very remote possibility sinse ms and listen are two different things. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
