Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-25 Thread Damien C. Pendleton

Hi Dakotah,
Like I said, under special circumstances the moderators will review your 
message, and if it is appropriate to be the size it is we will approve it. 
Philip's BGT announcement is an example of such a message.

Cheers.
Regards,
Damien.



-Original Message- 
From: Dakotah Rickard

Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:34 AM
To: kr...@eklyon.co.uk ; Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

I do object, only because, as I said, a person may have a single long
idea which is valid. I've had to split up messages before, and it
isn't so bad, but one difficulty I've had is that sometimes I'll
exceed the size limit, but I lose my message, because it isn't
referenced or resent in the rejection. If it was resent, then I could
find a good place to split it up, or I could reread it to see if it
could be modified by me.

Signed:
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-25 Thread Nicol
I'd like to give some advice for those who use MSOffice outlook and jaws.
Messages sent in plain text format  is much smaller than messages sent in
html format.
What I usually do if I write a message that's quite long.
Step1: I save the message in my drafts folder.
I hit control plus s and then hit escape to close the message.
Step2: I go to my drafts folder.
Step3: I highlight the message and hit alt enter. This will bring up the
properties dialogue.
Step4: I read the screen with the jaws cursor.
So in this way I can see how many kb the message is.
The message I sent to the list about the  keyboard crazy game was 34 kb
because the message format is set on html. So  I went into the options
dialogue in outlook  and changed the format to plain text and the size of my
post dropped from 34 to 7 kb.
I hope my advice helps.
  


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-25 Thread Dakotah Rickard
It's also pretty easy to eliminate auto-sending of replies, so long as
you take the time... I'm not trying to accuse anyone by the way, I
just didn't know you guys even looked at messages that large or if
they got moved into a, go ahead and delete, folder or something. I
write most of my messages in a webmail application which gives me no
idea of the size of my messages, and that's primarily why I was
concerned. I hope that I didn't offend anyone by my concern.

Good luck.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 7/25/12, Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 I'd like to give some advice for those who use MSOffice outlook and jaws.
 Messages sent in plain text format  is much smaller than messages sent in
 html format.
 What I usually do if I write a message that's quite long.
 Step1: I save the message in my drafts folder.
 I hit control plus s and then hit escape to close the message.
 Step2: I go to my drafts folder.
 Step3: I highlight the message and hit alt enter. This will bring up the
 properties dialogue.
 Step4: I read the screen with the jaws cursor.
 So in this way I can see how many kb the message is.
 The message I sent to the list about the  keyboard crazy game was 34 kb
 because the message format is set on html. So  I went into the options
 dialogue in outlook  and changed the format to plain text and the size of
 my
 post dropped from 34 to 7 kb.
 I hope my advice helps.



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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dakotah,

No problem. No offense taken. I'm just glad we are able to clarify
things for you. :D

As it happens I often use the Google web-mail interface myself 90% of
the time and don't bother with separate e-mail clients. Since I have
several different computers running various operating systems its just
easier for me to open up Firefox and read my mail than download it
into Outlook, Thunderbird, Evolution, or whatever. Bottom line, I
don't know how large my messages are either, but usually by trimming I
am far below the 10 KB limit. Plus it helps to send messages as text
only too.

Cheers!

On 7/25/12, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's also pretty easy to eliminate auto-sending of replies, so long as
 you take the time... I'm not trying to accuse anyone by the way, I
 just didn't know you guys even looked at messages that large or if
 they got moved into a, go ahead and delete, folder or something. I
 write most of my messages in a webmail application which gives me no
 idea of the size of my messages, and that's primarily why I was
 concerned. I hope that I didn't offend anyone by my concern.

 Good luck.

 Signed:
 Dakotah Rickard

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[Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Damien C. Pendleton
Hey folks,
I have just tended to all the moderated messages and have had to reject a 
rather large number of them due to excessive size. Please could I gently remind 
you all to trim your messages before sending them, unless it is under special 
circumstances and your message is consulted with and approved by the moderators.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Damien C. Pendleton,
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Dakotah Rickard
I don't mind the idea, except I'm curious as to why there's a message
length restriction. If someone doesn't want to read the entire
message, they can either delete it then and there or move to the next
name in the thread, depending on their client and mail reading
preferences. What's more, most e-mail services give what is now an
incredible amount of e-mail storage. Trimming messages is no longer a
technical necessity.

On those grounds, I submit that the list itself offer complaints over
messages which are too long.

When I write a long message, I try to give people a heads up at the
beginning, and I also expect that plenty won't read it. I view long
messages as essential, however, as there are many instances where I
could break up a message into multiple parts, but what's the point if
I can write a single, flowing missive to the group.

I hope this is well-received.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 7/24/12, Damien C. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk wrote:
 Hey folks,
 I have just tended to all the moderated messages and have had to reject a
 rather large number of them due to excessive size. Please could I gently
 remind you all to trim your messages before sending them, unless it is under
 special circumstances and your message is consulted with and approved by the
 moderators.
 Cheers.
 Kind regards,
 Damien C. Pendleton,
 Co-Moderator of the Audyssey list.
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Damien C. Pendleton

Hi Dakotah,
To be honest, I'm not altogether sure why this rule applies myself. My 
logical guess would be that the mailing list has to send each message out to 
each member, which takes up bandwidth and therefore increases the site 
admin's running costs. This would be especially obvious during times when 
the list is rather high-traffic.
Imagine if a thread had been going for quite a while and had generated a 
whole list of replies so that the messages became 100KB. Then imagine that 
there were 100 such messages. Not only would a single user have to download 
10 megabytes of emails, the bulk of which are other portions of the same 
topic, but also the mail server would have to process 2 gigabytes of 
messages in sending those 100 large messages to a list with, let's say, 250 
members.
Even if this is not the main reason, it probably contributes, and other 
reasons are obviously logical hence the restriction's existence. All I know 
is, as moderator I have to enforce these rules, and I satisfy myself with 
that. Grin.

Kind regards,
Damien.





-Original Message- 
From: Dakotah Rickard

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:07 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

I don't mind the idea, except I'm curious as to why there's a message
length restriction. If someone doesn't want to read the entire
message, they can either delete it then and there or move to the next
name in the thread, depending on their client and mail reading
preferences. What's more, most e-mail services give what is now an
incredible amount of e-mail storage. Trimming messages is no longer a
technical necessity.

On those grounds, I submit that the list itself offer complaints over
messages which are too long.

When I write a long message, I try to give people a heads up at the
beginning, and I also expect that plenty won't read it. I view long
messages as essential, however, as there are many instances where I
could break up a message into multiple parts, but what's the point if
I can write a single, flowing missive to the group.

I hope this is well-received.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 7/24/12, Damien C. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk wrote:

Hey folks,
I have just tended to all the moderated messages and have had to reject a
rather large number of them due to excessive size. Please could I gently
remind you all to trim your messages before sending them, unless it is 
under
special circumstances and your message is consulted with and approved by 
the

moderators.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Damien C. Pendleton,
Co-Moderator of the Audyssey list.
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread john
As far as I remember, the reason referenced was people on dialup 
connections or with limited bandwith.


- Original Message -
From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:07:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

I don't mind the idea, except I'm curious as to why there's a 
message

length restriction. If someone doesn't want to read the entire
message, they can either delete it then and there or move to the 
next

name in the thread, depending on their client and mail reading
preferences. What's more, most e-mail services give what is now 
an
incredible amount of e-mail storage. Trimming messages is no 
longer a

technical necessity.

On those grounds, I submit that the list itself offer complaints 
over

messages which are too long.

When I write a long message, I try to give people a heads up at 
the
beginning, and I also expect that plenty won't read it. I view 
long
messages as essential, however, as there are many instances where 
I
could break up a message into multiple parts, but what's the 
point if

I can write a single, flowing missive to the group.

I hope this is well-received.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 7/24/12, Damien C. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk wrote:
Hey folks,
I have just tended to all the moderated messages and have had to 
reject a
rather large number of them due to excessive size. Please could 
I gently
remind you all to trim your messages before sending them, unless 
it is under
special circumstances and your message is consulted with and 
approved by the

moderators.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Damien C. Pendleton,
Co-Moderator of the Audyssey list.
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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Dennis Towne
I would prefer that the rule be kept.  While bandwidth and storage
really isn't an issue anymore, trimming conversations is just plain
polite, and keeping them trimmed helps keep conversations on track.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:46 PM, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote:
 As far as I remember, the reason referenced was people on dialup connections
 or with limited bandwith.


 - Original Message -
 From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Date sent: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:07:52 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

 I don't mind the idea, except I'm curious as to why there's a message
 length restriction. If someone doesn't want to read the entire
 message, they can either delete it then and there or move to the next
 name in the thread, depending on their client and mail reading
 preferences. What's more, most e-mail services give what is now an
 incredible amount of e-mail storage. Trimming messages is no longer a
 technical necessity.

 On those grounds, I submit that the list itself offer complaints over
 messages which are too long.

 When I write a long message, I try to give people a heads up at the
 beginning, and I also expect that plenty won't read it. I view long
 messages as essential, however, as there are many instances where I
 could break up a message into multiple parts, but what's the point if
 I can write a single, flowing missive to the group.

 I hope this is well-received.

 Signed:
 Dakotah Rickard

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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread kevin lyon
hi all, it's also to encourage people to think about what their posting and
take responsibility for it.
 
the rule's been there since the year dot, so people really should be aware
of it by now. 
and i won't be removing the size limit on messages.
so take responsibility for your posts because those that do exceed the size
limit will be deleted and you'll only have to post your message again, thus
creating more work for the moderators, and yourselves. :)

it's not difficult to do really folks! :)

kevin
kr...@eklyon.co.uk


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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Towne
Sent: 25 July 2012 00:18
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

I would prefer that the rule be kept.  While bandwidth and storage really
isn't an issue anymore, trimming conversations is just plain polite, and
keeping them trimmed helps keep conversations on track.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Dakotah Rickard
I do object, only because, as I said, a person may have a single long
idea which is valid. I've had to split up messages before, and it
isn't so bad, but one difficulty I've had is that sometimes I'll
exceed the size limit, but I lose my message, because it isn't
referenced or resent in the rejection. If it was resent, then I could
find a good place to split it up, or I could reread it to see if it
could be modified by me.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 7/24/12, kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk wrote:
 hi all, it's also to encourage people to think about what their posting and
 take responsibility for it.

 the rule's been there since the year dot, so people really should be aware
 of it by now.
 and i won't be removing the size limit on messages.
 so take responsibility for your posts because those that do exceed the size
 limit will be deleted and you'll only have to post your message again, thus
 creating more work for the moderators, and yourselves. :)

 it's not difficult to do really folks! :)

 kevin
 kr...@eklyon.co.uk


 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Dennis Towne
 Sent: 25 July 2012 00:18
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

 I would prefer that the rule be kept.  While bandwidth and storage really
 isn't an issue anymore, trimming conversations is just plain polite, and
 keeping them trimmed helps keep conversations on track.

 Dennis Towne

 Alter Aeon MUD
 http://www.alteraeon.com


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Michael Taboada

Hi,
You would think that if your message was all yours, no one elses or at least 
at the maximum one or two other messages to show the context, then the 
moderators would let it go through. I mean... afaik the purpose of this rule 
is not to stop people from posting long messages, but to stop people from 
posting 20 old replies when only the latest one is relevant.

Thanks,
-Michael.


-Original Message- 
From: Dakotah Rickard

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:34 PM
To: kr...@eklyon.co.uk ; Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

I do object, only because, as I said, a person may have a single long
idea which is valid. I've had to split up messages before, and it
isn't so bad, but one difficulty I've had is that sometimes I'll
exceed the size limit, but I lose my message, because it isn't
referenced or resent in the rejection. If it was resent, then I could
find a good place to split it up, or I could reread it to see if it
could be modified by me.

Signed:
Dakotah Rickard

On 7/24/12, kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk wrote:
hi all, it's also to encourage people to think about what their posting 
and

take responsibility for it.

the rule's been there since the year dot, so people really should be aware
of it by now.
and i won't be removing the size limit on messages.
so take responsibility for your posts because those that do exceed the 
size
limit will be deleted and you'll only have to post your message again, 
thus

creating more work for the moderators, and yourselves. :)

it's not difficult to do really folks! :)

kevin
kr...@eklyon.co.uk


-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Towne
Sent: 25 July 2012 00:18
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

I would prefer that the rule be kept.  While bandwidth and storage really
isn't an issue anymore, trimming conversations is just plain polite, and
keeping them trimmed helps keep conversations on track.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dakotah,

We usually don't just reject messages out of hand. At least I don't at
any rate. I've personally approved a number of messages that were
larger than the size limitation if it is a case of a single message
too long to fit in the standard 10 KB limit. Such examples include
news letters, the Audyssey Magazine,and various other posts that were
trimmed but still too big. However, if I see a one or two line message
with two or three posts attached to it I reject those immediately
because its obvious the person composing the message made no attempt
to trim the message. They just hit reply and expected it to go
through. Bottom line, we try to use some judgment here when deciding
which messages do and don't get rejected.

As for the messages you are speaking of that got rejected I'd have to
see them to explain why they may have been rejected. Usually its not
just because it is too big. There may be other reasons besides that,
or the moderator who rejected it was simply treating the size
limitation rule more strictly than I generally do.

Cheers!



On 7/24/12, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do object, only because, as I said, a person may have a single long
 idea which is valid. I've had to split up messages before, and it
 isn't so bad, but one difficulty I've had is that sometimes I'll
 exceed the size limit, but I lose my message, because it isn't
 referenced or resent in the rejection. If it was resent, then I could
 find a good place to split it up, or I could reread it to see if it
 could be modified by me.

 Signed:
 Dakotah Rickard


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Re: [Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages

2012-07-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael,

That is what we generally do. As I said in my prior post we often
don't just reject a post because it is too large. There are plenty of
posts such as news letters from game developers that are too big to go
through, but we obviously approve them right away since the author
wasn't responding to a million posts but just creating a very long
e-mail. The same would hold for a reply that was properly trimmed but
ended up being too large. I go ahead and approve them because the
author made the attempt to trim. Sometimes a message is like half a KB
over the 10 KB limit. That amount is so small that I generally approve
them anyway simply because its possible it went over the limit by
accident, and if it wasn't, well, its not a huge amount over the
limit. No matter how you look at it we try to use our personal
judgment when rejecting messages rather than just rejecting messages
out of hand because it is x KB over the limit.

Cheers!

On 7/24/12, Michael Taboada mich...@speedofsoundgaming.com wrote:
 Hi,
 You would think that if your message was all yours, no one elses or at least

 at the maximum one or two other messages to show the context, then the
 moderators would let it go through. I mean... afaik the purpose of this rule

 is not to stop people from posting long messages, but to stop people from
 posting 20 old replies when only the latest one is relevant.
 Thanks,
 -Michael.


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[Audyssey] Moderator reminder: Trimming messages.

2006-08-04 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, listers.
As many of you know Raul and I have put a 8 KB limit on all standard 
posts to this list to cut down message size as well as to limit repeted 
material over and over again. However, I have just seen three messages 
from three different people be rejected on the grounds of message size. 
It is to bad as all three posts would have added to the Sryth discussions.
Anyway, the point is people if you want your message to be seen and read 
by others on this list you need to go to the end of the post you are 
responding to, do a shift control end to select old unwanted content, 
and then press delete.  After that control+home will restore you to the 
top of the message to type your reply. Alternatively you can do inline 
answers to the message you are responding to, and delete the rest of the 
message after you have finished your inline response. Either way you 
decide to choose you need to trim messages often else they will end up 
rejected as they will go over the message limit.
Thank you.



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