Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-11 Thread shaun everiss
well then if its that way and I don't doubt you on that one then the 
blind gaming market should fit in with the smaller developers.

It seems the way to go in any case.

At 10:28 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:

Hi Shaun:

Well, yes and no. If you are talking about PC games produced by big
name studios you are right. There is a lot less of those these days
because all the major big name studios are almost exclusively
developing for XBox, Play Station, or Wii;. However, there is a lot
more games for the PC than you might think.

First of all the method of buying and selling them has drastically
changed over the last decade. Back in the 90's if a company had a big
name game like Quake, Doom, Civilization, etc you went to your local
computer or gaming store and purchased it on CD. Now days, the
majority of game sales are done online through services like Steam.
You can now pay for the game online and download it straight to your
PC without having to go out and purchase it on physical media like CD
or DVD. This has drastically changed the way game developers do
business with PC gamers.

Since most PC gaming is either online based or is available through
the Internet there are hundreds if not thousands of amateur
independent game developers who are selling games online through Steam
and other services. Big name corporations simply have no desire to
compete with all the competition out there and focus on the major
gaming consoles and have left the PC gaming to small independent
studios. That is why in terms of PC gaming you won't find much in
retail stores like Walmart, Best Buy, K-Mart, etc but if you go online
you will find hundreds of new titles for the PC produced by
independent developers.

One thing I have noticed in modern PC games verses big name mainstream
titles for consoles is their surprising simplicity. What I mean by
that is if you look at where the big mainstream companies are heading
they are getting more and more complicated all the time, lack depth,
and overwhelmingly  focus on pushing the graphics technology to its
fullest. The independent PC developers tend to be focused on small but
simple games like what we had in the 80's and 90's with better
graphics and sounds. In short, they are more interested in the actual
game play than obsessing over graphics, sounds, and so on.

To give you an example one game I heard of recently is called Jewels
or something like that. Basically, there are Jewels falling down out
of the sky and you have to quickly move around the game collecting
them, or so I have been told. This sounds like something straight out
of the Atari days, but obviously the graphics and sounds are way
better.  Never-the-less the game is getting good reviews and HP and
other PC manufacturers are shipping demos of it on their laptops as
part of their trial software.

Another game that has gotten some attention of late is called 3D
Mahjong or something like that. Unlike classic Mahjong instead of
tiles you have square blocks and you have to spin the blocks around
and fit them together into a 3d puzzle. It is obviously more difficult
than classic Mahjong, but  its simply a case of taking a very old idea
and making it better without overly complicating the game.

The point I am getting at here is that PC games do exist, there are
more than ever, but they aren't necessarily available through your
local store. If you want them you need to go online to Steam and other
places where they are sold. The days of buying a game for your PC  on
CD or DVD is about gone. It is all downloadable media now, and the two
games I mentioned aren't very big to begin with. These days with high
speed Internet downloading a game that is 25 MB tops is not a big
deal. Even if you purchase and download a game 10 times that size it
is still not that much of a problem for most people so the Internet is
where all the PC games are now.

Cheers!




On 12/10/13, shaun everiss  wrote:
> Well all I know tom is that whenever I have gone shopping with my
> friends to stores that used to be full with games years ago its
> mostly console games now.
> The computer games still exist but are less.
> I think a lot is online to.
> Another interesting fact at least from what I have seen on the ground
> is that quite a few things are payed online subscription.

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-11 Thread dark

Hi Tom.

I certainly agree with you that Pc games, like games for tablets and phones 
have largely gone online these days, however it is not true either that 
major coorporations are keeping their hands off the Pc, or that the vast 
majority of games are smaller, atari style ones. While there are! plenty of 
action and arcade titles around, especially on tablets and phones where they 
serve as a quick game for people on the go, equally there are major 
proportions of first person shooters, rpgs, detailed stratogy games etc.


Several of my friends who I do tabletop rp with are fans of games like red 
alert, x com and other such stratogy titles, which are produced by some 
major companies and sold through heavy online updates. Indeed in the world 
of rpgs and mmorpgs, Pc is about equal with the consoles since now consoles 
can download content. The only major difference is where say the playstation 
version of Dark souls is bought on cd and then updated via the playstation 
network, the Pc version is simply downloaded.


I have even heard steem described as a virtual console on a part with 
Playstation or Xbox in it's own right, particularly true since Steam 
concentrates heavily on games like First person shooters or flashy flight 
sims with heavy use of 3D accellerated graphics that often appeal to a 
younger and less gamer intensive audience, (one reason why the Niels bauer 
attempt to get a mostly trextual stratogy game onto steam was not 
successful).


Beware the Grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-11 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun:

Well, yes and no. If you are talking about PC games produced by big
name studios you are right. There is a lot less of those these days
because all the major big name studios are almost exclusively
developing for XBox, Play Station, or Wii;. However, there is a lot
more games for the PC than you might think.

First of all the method of buying and selling them has drastically
changed over the last decade. Back in the 90's if a company had a big
name game like Quake, Doom, Civilization, etc you went to your local
computer or gaming store and purchased it on CD. Now days, the
majority of game sales are done online through services like Steam.
You can now pay for the game online and download it straight to your
PC without having to go out and purchase it on physical media like CD
or DVD. This has drastically changed the way game developers do
business with PC gamers.

Since most PC gaming is either online based or is available through
the Internet there are hundreds if not thousands of amateur
independent game developers who are selling games online through Steam
and other services. Big name corporations simply have no desire to
compete with all the competition out there and focus on the major
gaming consoles and have left the PC gaming to small independent
studios. That is why in terms of PC gaming you won't find much in
retail stores like Walmart, Best Buy, K-Mart, etc but if you go online
you will find hundreds of new titles for the PC produced by
independent developers.

One thing I have noticed in modern PC games verses big name mainstream
titles for consoles is their surprising simplicity. What I mean by
that is if you look at where the big mainstream companies are heading
they are getting more and more complicated all the time, lack depth,
and overwhelmingly  focus on pushing the graphics technology to its
fullest. The independent PC developers tend to be focused on small but
simple games like what we had in the 80's and 90's with better
graphics and sounds. In short, they are more interested in the actual
game play than obsessing over graphics, sounds, and so on.

To give you an example one game I heard of recently is called Jewels
or something like that. Basically, there are Jewels falling down out
of the sky and you have to quickly move around the game collecting
them, or so I have been told. This sounds like something straight out
of the Atari days, but obviously the graphics and sounds are way
better.  Never-the-less the game is getting good reviews and HP and
other PC manufacturers are shipping demos of it on their laptops as
part of their trial software.

Another game that has gotten some attention of late is called 3D
Mahjong or something like that. Unlike classic Mahjong instead of
tiles you have square blocks and you have to spin the blocks around
and fit them together into a 3d puzzle. It is obviously more difficult
than classic Mahjong, but  its simply a case of taking a very old idea
and making it better without overly complicating the game.

The point I am getting at here is that PC games do exist, there are
more than ever, but they aren't necessarily available through your
local store. If you want them you need to go online to Steam and other
places where they are sold. The days of buying a game for your PC  on
CD or DVD is about gone. It is all downloadable media now, and the two
games I mentioned aren't very big to begin with. These days with high
speed Internet downloading a game that is 25 MB tops is not a big
deal. Even if you purchase and download a game 10 times that size it
is still not that much of a problem for most people so the Internet is
where all the PC games are now.

Cheers!




On 12/10/13, shaun everiss  wrote:
> Well all I know tom is that whenever I have gone shopping with my
> friends to stores that used to be full with games years ago its
> mostly console games now.
> The computer games still exist but are less.
> I think a lot is online to.
> Another interesting fact at least from what I have seen on the ground
> is that quite a few things are payed online subscription.

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-10 Thread Paul Lemm
Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the reply. I wasn't aware of programs like Joy2Key, sounds
interesting though and I think I might look into getting a game pad and
giving it ago.

Thanks for the info.

Paul Lemm

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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 10 December 2013 17:35
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

Hi Paul:

Yes and no. If the game in question does not support a joystick or a game
pad then ¿you can't just go buy a Microsoft XBox controller and expect it to
work with the game out of the box. You would have to download a third-party
tool called Joy2key which allows you to map various keyboard commands to
joysticks, game pads, and so forth.
So it is possible to play games even without joystick support with a
joystick or a game pad if you use something like Joy2key, but you are also
limited in some ways such as lack of force feedback support or not being
able to map all actions to the controller. However, basically if you wanted
to do it you could use a Microsofgt controller with any audio game.
Obviously, games that have joystick and game pad support should work with it
out of the box without Joy2key etc.

Cheers!


On 12/10/13, Paul Lemm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've never used a gaming pad with my PC, so sorry if this seems a 
> stupid question.  But if I were to go get a Microsoft game pad with 
> the pc adaptor could I use this  with any audio  game that usually 
> uses the cursor keys to move?  Also you mentioned about programmable 
> buttons, again if I were to get a Microsoft game pad and use it with 
> audio games  can I program the game pad buttons  to mimic the keyboard 
> presses in audio games I play?
>
> Paul lemm

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-10 Thread shaun everiss
Well all I know tom is that whenever I have gone shopping with my 
friends to stores that used to be full with games years ago its 
mostly console games now.

The computer games still exist but are less.
I think a lot is online to.
Another interesting fact at least from what I have seen on the ground 
is that quite a few things are payed online subscription.


At 06:24 AM 12/11/2013, you wrote:

Hi Shaun:

Well, that is true to a point. The last time I went out shopping for a
general joystick, game pad, etc the only things I could find from
Logitech etc were specialized game controllers like racing wheels,
flight sticks, boxing gloves, and things of that sort. Best buy had a
few older Logitech game pads in the store, but nothing new. What I was
told was that they aren't making any new game pads or joysticks any
more and they are focusing on specialized devices for the PC. I don't
know if that is true, but it would not surprise me since finding
drivers for some game pads and joysticks for a 64-bit PC is not always
easy.

Add to that since Windows Vista the input library is now XInput which
is he same library used on the XBox for XBox controllers. DirectInput
is all but deprecated and many controllers are either all XBox and
XInput compatible or has a switch to switch between DirectInput and
XInput. That further complicates the situation since most audio games
are still using DirectInput only, and that technology is pretty much
being phased out of use.

Cheers!


On 12/6/13, shaun everiss  wrote:
> That really is not good tom.
> I guess you could pick up the xbox1 or other controler but still.
> I suspect from what I have seen at computer shops that for the most
> part bar consoles, a lot of stuff is full blown sticks now.
> And a lot of that is specialised for things like flight or racing.
> There are some  general purpose sticks but that is becomming less now.

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-10 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Paul:

Yes and no. If the game in question does not support a joystick or a
game pad then ¿you can't just go buy a Microsoft XBox controller and
expect it to work with the game out of the box. You would have to
download a third-party tool called Joy2key which allows you to map
various keyboard commands to joysticks, game pads, and so forth.
So it is possible to play games even without joystick support with a
joystick or a game pad if you use something like Joy2key, but you are
also limited in some ways such as lack of force feedback support or
not being able to map all actions to the controller. However,
basically if you wanted to do it you could use a Microsofgt controller
with any audio game. Obviously, games that have joystick and game pad
support should work with it out of the box without Joy2key etc.

Cheers!


On 12/10/13, Paul Lemm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've never used a gaming pad with my PC, so sorry if this seems a stupid
> question.  But if I were to go get a Microsoft game pad with the pc adaptor
> could I use this  with any audio  game that usually uses the cursor keys to
> move?  Also you mentioned about programmable buttons, again if I were to
> get
> a Microsoft game pad and use it with audio games  can I program the game
> pad
> buttons  to mimic the keyboard presses in audio games I play?
>
> Paul lemm

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-10 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun:

Well, that is true to a point. The last time I went out shopping for a
general joystick, game pad, etc the only things I could find from
Logitech etc were specialized game controllers like racing wheels,
flight sticks, boxing gloves, and things of that sort. Best buy had a
few older Logitech game pads in the store, but nothing new. What I was
told was that they aren't making any new game pads or joysticks any
more and they are focusing on specialized devices for the PC. I don't
know if that is true, but it would not surprise me since finding
drivers for some game pads and joysticks for a 64-bit PC is not always
easy.

Add to that since Windows Vista the input library is now XInput which
is he same library used on the XBox for XBox controllers. DirectInput
is all but deprecated and many controllers are either all XBox and
XInput compatible or has a switch to switch between DirectInput and
XInput. That further complicates the situation since most audio games
are still using DirectInput only, and that technology is pretty much
being phased out of use.

Cheers!


On 12/6/13, shaun everiss  wrote:
> That really is not good tom.
> I guess you could pick up the xbox1 or other controler but still.
> I suspect from what I have seen at computer shops that for the most
> part bar consoles, a lot of stuff is full blown sticks now.
> And a lot of that is specialised for things like flight or racing.
> There are some  general purpose sticks but that is becomming less now.

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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-10 Thread Paul Lemm
Hi,

I've never used a gaming pad with my PC, so sorry if this seems a stupid
question.  But if I were to go get a Microsoft game pad with the pc adaptor
could I use this  with any audio  game that usually uses the cursor keys to
move?  Also you mentioned about programmable buttons, again if I were to get
a Microsoft game pad and use it with audio games  can I program the game pad
buttons  to mimic the keyboard presses in audio games I play?

Paul lemm

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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 05 December 2013 07:05
To: scull...@optonline.net; Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

Hi Steve,

Well, I have been looking into this issue myself, and unfortunately most
manufacturers are no longer producing game pads for the PC. Your best bet is
to get an XBox 360 controller from Microsoft with a PC adapter if you care
about Windows 7 and Windows 8 compatibility. For some reason Logitech,
Philips, and others are still making controllers but not 64-bit drivers for
newer PCs. Meaning if you get a new Logitech controller and you have a
64-bit PC you have to depend on the generic Microsoft drivers which may not
fully support the controller such as force feedback and some programmable
buttons etc.

Cheers!


On 12/4/13, Steve Cullen  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Sorry its been a long time since I posted last but I haven't been on 
> the list for a while.
> Since its Christmas time I thought I'd ask santa for a new game 
> controller for My pc. My old game controller is just about shot.
> Can any one recommend a new game controller for my PC I am using 
> windows seven home edition. I am primarily looking for a game pad. 
> Thank you all very much for any help. If You have questions please 
> feel free to email me at scull...@optonline.net Regards, Steve Cullen
>
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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-09 Thread shaun everiss

That really is not good tom.
I guess you could pick up the xbox1 or other controler but still.
I suspect from what I have seen at computer shops that for the most 
part bar consoles, a lot of stuff is full blown sticks now.

And a lot of that is specialised for things like flight or racing.
There are some  general purpose sticks but that is becomming less now.

At 08:04 PM 12/5/2013, you wrote:

Hi Steve,

Well, I have been looking into this issue myself, and unfortunately
most manufacturers are no longer producing game pads for the PC. Your
best bet is to get an XBox 360 controller from Microsoft with a PC
adapter if you care about Windows 7 and Windows 8 compatibility. For
some reason Logitech, Philips, and others are still making controllers
but not 64-bit drivers for newer PCs. Meaning if you get a new
Logitech controller and you have a 64-bit PC you have to depend on the
generic Microsoft drivers which may not fully support the controller
such as force feedback and some programmable buttons etc.

Cheers!


On 12/4/13, Steve Cullen  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Sorry its been a long time since I posted last but I haven't been on the
> list for a while.
> Since its Christmas time I thought I'd ask santa for a new game controller
> for My pc. My old game controller is just about shot.
> Can any one recommend a new game controller for my PC I am using windows
> seven home edition. I am primarily looking for a game pad. Thank you all
> very much for any help. If You have questions please feel free to email me
> at
> scull...@optonline.net
> Regards,
> Steve Cullen
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-09 Thread shaun everiss

well it all depends on what you want.
Lotitech still arguably make the best sticks /pads, though I have 
heard from a hard core gamer that plays that force feedback although 
good does sacrofice some positional information especially with centering.
He recomended the ms prosition sticks but these are large heavy metal 
things which to be honest you probably  do not want.
I don't have space for an actual stick myself but I think I may end 
up with some gamepad, there is a philips one but to be honest I have 
only needed keyboard and mouse so far so I am not sure.


At 08:48 AM 12/5/2013, you wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Sorry its been a long time since I posted last but I haven't been on the
list for a while.
Since its Christmas time I thought I'd ask santa for a new game controller
for My pc. My old game controller is just about shot.
Can any one recommend a new game controller for my PC I am using windows
seven home edition. I am primarily looking for a game pad. Thank you all
very much for any help. If You have questions please feel free to email me
at
scull...@optonline.net
Regards,
Steve Cullen


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Re: [Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-04 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Steve,

Well, I have been looking into this issue myself, and unfortunately
most manufacturers are no longer producing game pads for the PC. Your
best bet is to get an XBox 360 controller from Microsoft with a PC
adapter if you care about Windows 7 and Windows 8 compatibility. For
some reason Logitech, Philips, and others are still making controllers
but not 64-bit drivers for newer PCs. Meaning if you get a new
Logitech controller and you have a 64-bit PC you have to depend on the
generic Microsoft drivers which may not fully support the controller
such as force feedback and some programmable buttons etc.

Cheers!


On 12/4/13, Steve Cullen  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Sorry its been a long time since I posted last but I haven't been on the
> list for a while.
> Since its Christmas time I thought I'd ask santa for a new game controller
> for My pc. My old game controller is just about shot.
> Can any one recommend a new game controller for my PC I am using windows
> seven home edition. I am primarily looking for a game pad. Thank you all
> very much for any help. If You have questions please feel free to email me
> at
> scull...@optonline.net
> Regards,
> Steve Cullen
>
>
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[Audyssey] New Game Controller for Pc

2013-12-04 Thread Steve Cullen
Hi Everyone,
Sorry its been a long time since I posted last but I haven't been on the
list for a while.
Since its Christmas time I thought I'd ask santa for a new game controller
for My pc. My old game controller is just about shot.
Can any one recommend a new game controller for my PC I am using windows
seven home edition. I am primarily looking for a game pad. Thank you all
very much for any help. If You have questions please feel free to email me
at
scull...@optonline.net
Regards,
Steve Cullen 


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