Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of InteractiveFiction
Hi Charles, I think the primary issue here are there are two basic philosophies here about computer tech. there are those with the mantra if it ain't broke don't fix it and those who say it is broke so fix it. Obviously those opinions are completely opposed to each other and as such things go are both right and wrong at the same time. It is hard to fault anyone for sticking with what works. After all if it suits there needs why push them to upgrade to something else? The reason people are so eager to upgrade is because they realize there are problems with the old tech that either don't matter or of no concern to those who do not choose to upgrade. Just for example we could talk about XP. It was a great OS for its time, but now that it is not getting regular security updates it could fall victim to hackers, viruses, and other forms of malware simply for not receiving regular servicing. A more security conscious computer user would switch to Windows 7 or Windows 8 which is currently getting servicing from Microsoft and that have tighter security built-in. Someone who is not concerned about security will stay with XP out of personal convenience, familiarity with the OS,or just personal preference. Someone like myself on the other hand tries to get the best out of both worlds. Thanks to virtual machines I really can have both and not worry too much about being left behind. All of my computers are either running Windows 7 or Linux, but I also have virtual machines configured for XP to play older games too. Given that I do take security seriously my XP virtual machines are used only for games and older apps, but are never connected to the internet making them as secure as they can be. If I want to use the internet I'll use Linux or Windows 7 with all security patches and updates installed. That way I am getting adequate protection from hackers, viruses, and other malware while still enjoying my older software that isn't being updated. In short, the reason you are getting a but every time you tell someone you want to stick with what works is that the more technically savvy people realize there could be issues with the old tech you may or may have not considered. Like everything in life there are two sides to the situation, and it all depends on how much of an issue those issues are that makes one choose to upgrade or stick with what they have. On 10/22/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When it comes to throwaway hardware and software due to the age of the so-called antiquated hardware or software, I am one of those who stays with what works. It really bothers me when people say, I understand your situation, but, . . . They always put that but in there, and then say why I must upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of InteractiveFiction
yes and last night I was getting sick of browser freeze-ups and other stuff on windows8.1 including my fan running like crazy so I got windows7 64bit pro back on here windows8.1 is gone hard drive reformatted and windows7 pro is back and all is working great. better than it did in win8.1. no more freeze-ups and my virtual machines should work good again. On 10/23/2014 4:46 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, I think the primary issue here are there are two basic philosophies here about computer tech. there are those with the mantra if it ain't broke don't fix it and those who say it is broke so fix it. Obviously those opinions are completely opposed to each other and as such things go are both right and wrong at the same time. It is hard to fault anyone for sticking with what works. After all if it suits there needs why push them to upgrade to something else? The reason people are so eager to upgrade is because they realize there are problems with the old tech that either don't matter or of no concern to those who do not choose to upgrade. Just for example we could talk about XP. It was a great OS for its time, but now that it is not getting regular security updates it could fall victim to hackers, viruses, and other forms of malware simply for not receiving regular servicing. A more security conscious computer user would switch to Windows 7 or Windows 8 which is currently getting servicing from Microsoft and that have tighter security built-in. Someone who is not concerned about security will stay with XP out of personal convenience, familiarity with the OS,or just personal preference. Someone like myself on the other hand tries to get the best out of both worlds. Thanks to virtual machines I really can have both and not worry too much about being left behind. All of my computers are either running Windows 7 or Linux, but I also have virtual machines configured for XP to play older games too. Given that I do take security seriously my XP virtual machines are used only for games and older apps, but are never connected to the internet making them as secure as they can be. If I want to use the internet I'll use Linux or Windows 7 with all security patches and updates installed. That way I am getting adequate protection from hackers, viruses, and other malware while still enjoying my older software that isn't being updated. In short, the reason you are getting a but every time you tell someone you want to stick with what works is that the more technically savvy people realize there could be issues with the old tech you may or may have not considered. Like everything in life there are two sides to the situation, and it all depends on how much of an issue those issues are that makes one choose to upgrade or stick with what they have. On 10/22/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When it comes to throwaway hardware and software due to the age of the so-called antiquated hardware or software, I am one of those who stays with what works. It really bothers me when people say, I understand your situation, but, . . . They always put that but in there, and then say why I must upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of InteractiveFiction
When it comes to throwaway hardware and software due to the age of the so-called antiquated hardware or software, I am one of those who stays with what works. It really bothers me when people say, I understand your situation, but, . . . They always put that but in there, and then say why I must upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of InteractiveFiction I buy my laptops refurbished and recertified from newegg.com or blaire technology group. I upgraded this one to windows8.1 but will be going back to windows7 soon because I don't like windows8.1's interface that much and my windows xp virtual machine in vmware player has major issues under windows8.1. On 10/22/2014 3:49 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, it is true that in a lot of places in the world some people take technology for granted, and new computers, cell phones, and other things are now regarded as throwaway technology. I think one reason for that is because the cost has drastically dropped over the last ten to twenty years. It has made it inexpensive to own and thus easy to throwaway and replace as desired for some people. For example, when I was in college I purchased my first laptop for note taking etc. It cost me $1,800 USD brand new from Best Buy. Nowadays I can walk into any Walmart and pick up a brand new laptop for like $325 if I just want a cheap and affordable laptop. Basically, in the span of about fifteen years the cost has dropped to the point I could buy about five new laptops for the price of one I could have purchased in the late 90's. So much so that it costs as much to replace the hardware in them as it is to by new outright in a lot of cases. That said, it is mainly people with lots of money to spend who are doing that. Blind computer users generally are on fixed incomes so can't just run out and buy a new laptop anytime a new model comes onto the market. It is hard enough to get them to upgrade their software like buying a new Windows version let alone the entire computer system. As someone who has fallen on hard times I understand where they are coming from. If we consider the average blind American on SSI makes about$720 per month it is pretty hard to justify spending $325 on a new laptop every so often just to get a software and hardware upgrade when there are more important things like rent, electric, food, and other things that need to be paid. Let me say that $720 doesn't go far these days, and so it is no wonder blind users are less likely than the mainstream public to join the ranks of those who throw away old technology after it is a few months old. With all that in mind as an audio game developer I need to consider that, and do more to be backward compatible than someone like Microsoft just because I can't depend on my customers to upgrade as often as the general public. So while you have a point that we are living in a throwaway society, too much tech as become throwaway tech, it must be remembered it is only certain segments of the population who do that sort of thing. Cheers! On 10/21/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: you are so right tom, sadly these days most get the graphical world and thats all they know. its one of my laments on computer stuff. In the day my day if something went wrong you actually tried to replace it or fix it. now, if something goes wrong a recovery disk, a reformat will fix it but your average yung person wouldn't know what dos was anymore. and if something breaks or even if it doesn't they are ready to replace it to quickly. An example, my cousin brought a brand new phone last year. It was barely a few months old, it still worked fine but he sold it because it was not the latest and got another one, at full price. When I have a computer and not to many years ago, you only replaced it if the gbattery exploded, the drivves failed or the case melted. You ran all your boxes into the ground. People sadly do not think like that anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
