Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction
yes tom, my cousin would be probably classed in that higher bracket of living I guess,So are some onter family I know of that seem to loke to chuck things at a moments notice except they can't afford it. At 08:49 p.m. 22/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, it is true that in a lot of places in the world some people take technology for granted, and new computers, cell phones, and other things are now regarded as throwaway technology. I think one reason for that is because the cost has drastically dropped over the last ten to twenty years. It has made it inexpensive to own and thus easy to throwaway and replace as desired for some people. For example, when I was in college I purchased my first laptop for note taking etc. It cost me $1,800 USD brand new from Best Buy. Nowadays I can walk into any Walmart and pick up a brand new laptop for like $325 if I just want a cheap and affordable laptop. Basically, in the span of about fifteen years the cost has dropped to the point I could buy about five new laptops for the price of one I could have purchased in the late 90's. So much so that it costs as much to replace the hardware in them as it is to by new outright in a lot of cases. That said, it is mainly people with lots of money to spend who are doing that. Blind computer users generally are on fixed incomes so can't just run out and buy a new laptop anytime a new model comes onto the market. It is hard enough to get them to upgrade their software like buying a new Windows version let alone the entire computer system. As someone who has fallen on hard times I understand where they are coming from. If we consider the average blind American on SSI makes about$720 per month it is pretty hard to justify spending $325 on a new laptop every so often just to get a software and hardware upgrade when there are more important things like rent, electric, food, and other things that need to be paid. Let me say that $720 doesn't go far these days, and so it is no wonder blind users are less likely than the mainstream public to join the ranks of those who throw away old technology after it is a few months old. With all that in mind as an audio game developer I need to consider that, and do more to be backward compatible than someone like Microsoft just because I can't depend on my customers to upgrade as often as the general public. So while you have a point that we are living in a throwaway society, too much tech as become throwaway tech, it must be remembered it is only certain segments of the population who do that sort of thing. Cheers! On 10/21/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: you are so right tom, sadly these days most get the graphical world and thats all they know. its one of my laments on computer stuff. In the day my day if something went wrong you actually tried to replace it or fix it. now, if something goes wrong a recovery disk, a reformat will fix it but your average yung person wouldn't know what dos was anymore. and if something breaks or even if it doesn't they are ready to replace it to quickly. An example, my cousin brought a brand new phone last year. It was barely a few months old, it still worked fine but he sold it because it was not the latest and got another one, at full price. When I have a computer and not to many years ago, you only replaced it if the gbattery exploded, the drivves failed or the case melted. You ran all your boxes into the ground. People sadly do not think like that anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction
Well I got mine from a shop but even so win7 is still for me, now if 10 becomes as good as it is, and if its phone accessability is as good then I may use that, especially if it can run programs mad for pcs which it may who knows. it would be good if win 10 was accessable so I could run games on my mobile device for it. At 12:28 a.m. 23/10/2014, you wrote: I buy my laptops refurbished and recertified from newegg.com or blaire technology group. I upgraded this one to windows8.1 but will be going back to windows7 soon because I don't like windows8.1's interface that much and my windows xp virtual machine in vmware player has major issues under windows8.1. On 10/22/2014 3:49 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, it is true that in a lot of places in the world some people take technology for granted, and new computers, cell phones, and other things are now regarded as throwaway technology. I think one reason for that is because the cost has drastically dropped over the last ten to twenty years. It has made it inexpensive to own and thus easy to throwaway and replace as desired for some people. For example, when I was in college I purchased my first laptop for note taking etc. It cost me $1,800 USD brand new from Best Buy. Nowadays I can walk into any Walmart and pick up a brand new laptop for like $325 if I just want a cheap and affordable laptop. Basically, in the span of about fifteen years the cost has dropped to the point I could buy about five new laptops for the price of one I could have purchased in the late 90's. So much so that it costs as much to replace the hardware in them as it is to by new outright in a lot of cases. That said, it is mainly people with lots of money to spend who are doing that. Blind computer users generally are on fixed incomes so can't just run out and buy a new laptop anytime a new model comes onto the market. It is hard enough to get them to upgrade their software like buying a new Windows version let alone the entire computer system. As someone who has fallen on hard times I understand where they are coming from. If we consider the average blind American on SSI makes about$720 per month it is pretty hard to justify spending $325 on a new laptop every so often just to get a software and hardware upgrade when there are more important things like rent, electric, food, and other things that need to be paid. Let me say that $720 doesn't go far these days, and so it is no wonder blind users are less likely than the mainstream public to join the ranks of those who throw away old technology after it is a few months old. With all that in mind as an audio game developer I need to consider that, and do more to be backward compatible than someone like Microsoft just because I can't depend on my customers to upgrade as often as the general public. So while you have a point that we are living in a throwaway society, too much tech as become throwaway tech, it must be remembered it is only certain segments of the population who do that sort of thing. Cheers! On 10/21/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: you are so right tom, sadly these days most get the graphical world and thats all they know. its one of my laments on computer stuff. In the day my day if something went wrong you actually tried to replace it or fix it. now, if something goes wrong a recovery disk, a reformat will fix it but your average yung person wouldn't know what dos was anymore. and if something breaks or even if it doesn't they are ready to replace it to quickly. An example, my cousin brought a brand new phone last year. It was barely a few months old, it still worked fine but he sold it because it was not the latest and got another one, at full price. When I have a computer and not to many years ago, you only replaced it if the gbattery exploded, the drivves failed or the case melted. You ran all your boxes into the ground. People sadly do not think like that anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction
Hi Shaun, I wouldn't worry too much about Windows 10 accessibility. Accessibility on Windows has been improving with each release, and the version of Narrator that comes with Windows 8.1 is a huge improvement over that of the version that comes with Windows 7 and earlier. I expect to see Narrator has improved in Windows 10 plus Jaws and NVDA will certainly be available as well. However, as to running PC games on your mobile phone that won't happen unless they are written in one of the .NET languages. The reason has to do with major differences in hardware such as CPU. When a Windows application written in say C++ is compiled it is specifically compiled for a specific processor type such as Intel or AMD. If you happen to have a Windows phone using an Arm processor that program isn't going to run because it is the wrong type of CPU. Unfortunately, all the games written in visual Basic 6 are going to have this specific issue since they are all compiled for the Intel family of processors. Another issue with PC games is they probably accept keyboard input and nothing but keyboard input. Naturally all modern smartphones use touchscreens which is a totally different interface. If there is no space key to fire and arrow key to move the game isn't going to know what to do with your touchscreen requiring a keyboard to be plugged into your phone. It would be better for the games input handling to be rewritten for the phone rather than someone grabbing a game meant for a desktop/laptop and expecting it to work on a Windows smartphone. Bottom line, if you think you can buy a Windows phone and start running all your favorite games on it you got another thing coming. Games can be ported to the phone, but not without a bit of time and work. Cheers! On 10/22/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I got mine from a shop but even so win7 is still for me, now if 10 becomes as good as it is, and if its phone accessability is as good then I may use that, especially if it can run programs mad for pcs which it may who knows. it would be good if win 10 was accessable so I could run games on my mobile device for it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction
Hi Shaun, Well, it is true that in a lot of places in the world some people take technology for granted, and new computers, cell phones, and other things are now regarded as throwaway technology. I think one reason for that is because the cost has drastically dropped over the last ten to twenty years. It has made it inexpensive to own and thus easy to throwaway and replace as desired for some people. For example, when I was in college I purchased my first laptop for note taking etc. It cost me $1,800 USD brand new from Best Buy. Nowadays I can walk into any Walmart and pick up a brand new laptop for like $325 if I just want a cheap and affordable laptop. Basically, in the span of about fifteen years the cost has dropped to the point I could buy about five new laptops for the price of one I could have purchased in the late 90's. So much so that it costs as much to replace the hardware in them as it is to by new outright in a lot of cases. That said, it is mainly people with lots of money to spend who are doing that. Blind computer users generally are on fixed incomes so can't just run out and buy a new laptop anytime a new model comes onto the market. It is hard enough to get them to upgrade their software like buying a new Windows version let alone the entire computer system. As someone who has fallen on hard times I understand where they are coming from. If we consider the average blind American on SSI makes about$720 per month it is pretty hard to justify spending $325 on a new laptop every so often just to get a software and hardware upgrade when there are more important things like rent, electric, food, and other things that need to be paid. Let me say that $720 doesn't go far these days, and so it is no wonder blind users are less likely than the mainstream public to join the ranks of those who throw away old technology after it is a few months old. With all that in mind as an audio game developer I need to consider that, and do more to be backward compatible than someone like Microsoft just because I can't depend on my customers to upgrade as often as the general public. So while you have a point that we are living in a throwaway society, too much tech as become throwaway tech, it must be remembered it is only certain segments of the population who do that sort of thing. Cheers! On 10/21/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: you are so right tom, sadly these days most get the graphical world and thats all they know. its one of my laments on computer stuff. In the day my day if something went wrong you actually tried to replace it or fix it. now, if something goes wrong a recovery disk, a reformat will fix it but your average yung person wouldn't know what dos was anymore. and if something breaks or even if it doesn't they are ready to replace it to quickly. An example, my cousin brought a brand new phone last year. It was barely a few months old, it still worked fine but he sold it because it was not the latest and got another one, at full price. When I have a computer and not to many years ago, you only replaced it if the gbattery exploded, the drivves failed or the case melted. You ran all your boxes into the ground. People sadly do not think like that anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction
Hi Thomas, I probably could afford a new version of Windows, but my computer is so old that it wouldn't be able to run it, so I'm still running XP. BFN Jim Have to ask the price? You can't afford it! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction
I buy my laptops refurbished and recertified from newegg.com or blaire technology group. I upgraded this one to windows8.1 but will be going back to windows7 soon because I don't like windows8.1's interface that much and my windows xp virtual machine in vmware player has major issues under windows8.1. On 10/22/2014 3:49 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, it is true that in a lot of places in the world some people take technology for granted, and new computers, cell phones, and other things are now regarded as throwaway technology. I think one reason for that is because the cost has drastically dropped over the last ten to twenty years. It has made it inexpensive to own and thus easy to throwaway and replace as desired for some people. For example, when I was in college I purchased my first laptop for note taking etc. It cost me $1,800 USD brand new from Best Buy. Nowadays I can walk into any Walmart and pick up a brand new laptop for like $325 if I just want a cheap and affordable laptop. Basically, in the span of about fifteen years the cost has dropped to the point I could buy about five new laptops for the price of one I could have purchased in the late 90's. So much so that it costs as much to replace the hardware in them as it is to by new outright in a lot of cases. That said, it is mainly people with lots of money to spend who are doing that. Blind computer users generally are on fixed incomes so can't just run out and buy a new laptop anytime a new model comes onto the market. It is hard enough to get them to upgrade their software like buying a new Windows version let alone the entire computer system. As someone who has fallen on hard times I understand where they are coming from. If we consider the average blind American on SSI makes about$720 per month it is pretty hard to justify spending $325 on a new laptop every so often just to get a software and hardware upgrade when there are more important things like rent, electric, food, and other things that need to be paid. Let me say that $720 doesn't go far these days, and so it is no wonder blind users are less likely than the mainstream public to join the ranks of those who throw away old technology after it is a few months old. With all that in mind as an audio game developer I need to consider that, and do more to be backward compatible than someone like Microsoft just because I can't depend on my customers to upgrade as often as the general public. So while you have a point that we are living in a throwaway society, too much tech as become throwaway tech, it must be remembered it is only certain segments of the population who do that sort of thing. Cheers! On 10/21/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: you are so right tom, sadly these days most get the graphical world and thats all they know. its one of my laments on computer stuff. In the day my day if something went wrong you actually tried to replace it or fix it. now, if something goes wrong a recovery disk, a reformat will fix it but your average yung person wouldn't know what dos was anymore. and if something breaks or even if it doesn't they are ready to replace it to quickly. An example, my cousin brought a brand new phone last year. It was barely a few months old, it still worked fine but he sold it because it was not the latest and got another one, at full price. When I have a computer and not to many years ago, you only replaced it if the gbattery exploded, the drivves failed or the case melted. You ran all your boxes into the ground. People sadly do not think like that anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
