Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Hi Conner. I'm not sure about blind cooltech these days. Many of their older podcasts give a file not found message, and last time I tried to submit to them nothing happened, the file just uploaded but never got hosted. they also are not uniquely game related and though there are some great games podcasts up there, i've not seen any for a good while. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Connor Moser connor.mo...@aon.at To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind blind cool teck. audio games. audyssey. - Original Message - From: gamers-requ...@audyssey.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:42 PM Subject: Gamers Digest, Vol 70, Issue 236 Send Gamers mailing list submissions to gamers@audyssey.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gamers-requ...@audyssey.org You can reach the person managing the list at gamers-ow...@audyssey.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Gamers digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Games for the mac. (Thomas Ward) 2. words with friends game for iphone. (Ian McNamara) 3. Re: Just starting out on SoundRTS. (Thomas Ward) 4. Re: Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! (Tom Randall) 5. Re: Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! (Luk?? Kakara) 6. Re: accessable apps page on apple websight. (Ian McNamara) 7. Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind (Eleanor Robinson) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:32:07 -0500 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games for the mac. Message-ID: caafbg11k8jjjwz0ph5qbt_vrfwxpqzoja+hhbrwm4vgx3na...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Michael, What kinds of games are you specifically interested in here. There are several cross-platform games that can be played on a Mac using VoiceOver such as browser based games, muds, text adventures, and of course RS Games game client which offers Uno, Monopoly, and things like that. Cheers! On 12/17/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, I would like to know if there are any games for the mac that blind people can play. I have looked on pcsgames.net and that game list has not be helpful to me. If someone knows of any games please let me know. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:24:15 + From: Ian McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] words with friends game for iphone. Message-ID: 0b954d7a-32a4-482d-a7c4-57bb4bf0d...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi has any one played the words with friends app with voice over. if so could some one explain to me how to play properly with voice over? thanks Ian McNamara -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:30:55 -0500 From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Lindsay Cowell lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com, Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Just starting out on SoundRTS. Message-ID: caafbg13+xe9gwsa0jskg-dzu2gojmn9_onqfk5+twpys4l_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Lindsay, Well, I can tell you one of the factors that makes or breaks a game is having enough peasants to get things built, to gather raw materials, and of course serve as extra troops when needed. So my recommendation is build a couple of farms and then give yourself about 10 peasants to get started. After you have established a decent sized work force you can begin mining for gold, creating lumber for buildings, and add a few foot soldiers to guard your territory. After that expand as needed and upgrade your military so you can fend off and eventually wipe out the enemy forces. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Lindsay Cowell lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi guys, I have just started playing SoundRTS and am looking for strategies to get through it. Does anyone have any advice for beginners? Lindsay Cowell
Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Randall kf6...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Message-ID: 0657eb57-a514-4807-b80e-31916d19a...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone. This is fantastic news, I will definitely be checking this demo out as time allows. Thanks for the update. Game on. Tom On Dec 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Shard Workshop wrote: Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details at http://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread, http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:45:07 +0100 From: Luk?? Kakara lukas86.kak...@seznam.cz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shard Workshop Zero Sight released! Message-ID: 4eef4df3.3070...@seznam.cz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed It is very good game,hmm,but I have a problem.When I take off,I fly around for a while.But when I want to land and press F3,the game will not reaction and error log file is in my game folder.Have ever the same?Thank you. Luk?? Kakara Dne 19.12.2011 15:42, Tom Randall napsal(a): Hi everyone. This is fantastic news, I will definitely be checking this demo out as time allows. Thanks for the update. Game on. Tom On Dec 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Shard Workshop wrote: Shard Workshop was born 11.11.11. Tonight you are all witnesses of its real initiation in the world of audiogaming. Shard Workshop is proud to annouce that its first audiogame, Zero Sight, has been released just now. You can find all the details athttp://www.shardworkshop.com/zero-sight We strongly advise you to try the demo before buying the game, just to be 100% that it works on your machine. If you happen to have technical problems write on the official support thread,http://www.shardworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=50 We know that this is just the first of a long series of releases and audiogames that will really change the way you play. Remember, this is just the beginning of the audiorevolution... Good luck, pilots.. and let us know what you think. --- Gamers mailing list __gam...@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail togamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail togamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __gam...@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail togamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail togamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:50:20 + From: Ian McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessable apps page on apple websight. Message-ID: 09c65cbe-2b73-471e-b3bd-1ce449db8...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi what's the websight that shos all the apple apps that are accessable. thanks Ian -- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:41:59 -0500 From: Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Message-ID: 4eef5b47.70
Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Glad to hear back from Eleanor. Making any kind of list like this is a pain in the butt to say the least, but I have to strongly echo Dark's sentiment that if this list is to be a list of games that have no online component at all, then it will be incomplete at the least, and certainly would need major tweaking from last years list, as some games that are playable online made the list, so I don't really understand where the line is drawn at this point. I think Dark alluded to creating a more comprehensive list on audio games.net, and that may be the way to go here, as we would have input from more folks that have the time and capacity to play the various games out there and give their feedback. I applaud what Eleanor and John are doing here, we need all the exposure we can get for audio games, but if it is just the two of them trying to carve out this list, that is a pretty tall order to try and evaluate what is out there. As far as blind adrenaline, if anyone from 7128 wishes to take a look at the games and see how they work, i'd be happy to walk them through it in a quick ten minute session on skype. You'll find I'm not nearly the crusty cummergion I come across as on list here, and maybe I could answer some questions about how these types of audio games offer the best of both worlds, single and multi player.. You will have to download a client for the games however, as they are played with a local client that then shares data via our server, as does soundRTS, as does swamp, etc.. If my tone has come across as impatient on the topic, my apologies, I just want a fair shot for everyone that is deserving here, and that not only includes BA, but RS Games, Quentin's playroom, AProne's site, and so forth. To exclude the hard work and dedication of all these folks is to do a disservice to not only the list, but those looking to find out more info about our fascinating hobby. Later che . On 12/22/2011 1:53 PM, dark wrote: Hi Eleanor. I'll be interested to see what you come to on this. Even now I'm afraid if the criteria is where the game exists, then sound rts and topspeed probably need reconsiddering, sinse for both games people setting up servers and playing across the net is the main attraction. pluss, Allof the game clients like blind adrenaline have the ability to play against bots single player, just as you can race against or fight computer opponents in sound rts and topspeed. Myself, I'd suggest online should apply only to games like Core exiles or Sryth, online hosted gmaes that happen to be accessible, where as specifically accessible clients for online games designed as audio games in themselves should be considdered. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Hi Folks - I posted this but I haven't seen it show up - so I'm re-posting it so no one thinks I'm ignoring what people say. First I want to thank all of you for your input. It is important for us to hear your thoughts as we consider our criteria for evaluating the Top 25. We plan to discuss this over the next several weeks and decide then how we will handle the review this year. We do stick to the criteria described in the methodology so that is how the rankings are determined. One thing you need to be aware of is that we are NOT really knowledgeable about online gaming and games. Our focus has always been computer games that reside on a computer rather than on a server. That being said - if you stop learning you stop growing. So we will explore this issue and decide the criteria shortly. Thanks again. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org
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Hi Dark, Right. I don't think it is anything personal. A lot has to do with the criteria they use to determine the top 25 sites. For example, USA Games is on the top 25 list and Blind Adrenaline isn't. I can certainly see why Che would be annoyed by that since he has done a lot more work, created several more games than USA Games, and his projects are fairly revolutionary. However, from what I gather from last years criteria the reason I managed to land a spot on the top 25 list is primarily due to the fact I started archiving and hosting free and abandoned games. That has nothing to do with favoritism or USA Games being better than BA, but it simply came down to the fact my site is a great place to begin building a collection of free audio games for those who can't afford or are unwilling to buy commercial games. I'm adding more to the free games page as we speak, and I can certainly see how my site might be a nice showcase of the kind of work that has been done over the last ten years or so. Cheers! On 12/20/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Che. Personally I've always found John and Eleanor from 7-128 highly reasonable and open to suggestion on many points, and sinse they have not responded on this matter I'd say your being a trifle hasty, or at least putting your point a litle too negatively. While I do agree, I'm content to reserve judgement until we find out what the top 25 happens to be this year, and also whether the criteria changes. As to how the top twenty five works in the scheme of things. Well you are right in that no it probably won't change the universe, however I will say that 7-128 actually do a lot in terms of game accessibility generally, and have links to various games and general access related organizations, from able gamers to retroremakes, indeed I first heard of 7-128 myself when they appeared in a magazine artical detailing their life style as well as their game access work. this means it's more likely to be seen by newcomers to audio games, and get the exposure we all need. so while I do agree perhaps the criteria were too narrow if it excluded specifically designed accessible clients for online gameplay, (especially sinse it counts games like sound rts and topspeed whos' single player mode is hardly astounding), I think we should wait for a response, or indeed for the list itself. Also on a final note, the list is not personal. just as I myself don't object to the fact that audiogames.net is always behind pcs games, I don't think the exclusion of any site is intended as a reflection of anyone's work, it just depends upon what criteria they use to evaluate the sites in question. Indeed I believe several factors such as google rank are things that few people can do anything about. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi che. No problem tooting the Ba horn, that's indeed why I make such a point of the features that the cardroom has on it's audiogames.net page, sinse you've done a great job there. i believe online didn't mean games with online capability (afterall they list sound rts), but actual online brouser based or mud games like Core exiles, kingdom of Loathing, Sryth or materiamagica. As to how the list is generated I'm not actually sure myself, indeed I must confess in past years some sites that have made it onto the list have rather confused me, for instance gamesfortheblind, sinse their games are essentially commercial eloquence versions of games that are mostly available in better versions from other people, or able gamers, which while a great organization for other sorts of game access doesn't have too much on Blind or vi access specifically (while a good site to check, i'd not personally put it in the top 25). Stil, as you said, it's good the list is being compiled, and indeed it's interesting to see what makes it where. Hope Ba goes well. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Hi eleanor. while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client. Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which is also playable offline. while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of what does or does not count as online in this context would be a good thing, and also as I said, might influence the final list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Che, Yeah, I don't get it either. You have only been around since 2007 or so and have made a huge impact in the audio games community with Rail Racer and your BA Card Room.Your products have been very revolutionary, and I think belongs on any top 10 or top 25 audio game lists. So thumbs up to you for doing such a great job. I'd like to know the reasoning as to why BA isn't given the credit it definitely deserves. Cheers! On 12/19/11, Che blindadrenal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Yah man, I know it was in the extra section, and I emailed Eleanor earlier this year about it, but it seems to me if the list is made up of sites that have an impact on audio gaming and the community, BA should be in the main list. There are several sites on that list that have only one or two games, and few games that have the complexity of Rail Racer, and no sites that have the feature set of the BA card room. With over 250 current paying customers and over 2000 trial accounts over the past 3 years, I'd say BA deserves its place in the pond, eh? Sorry for the excessive horn tooting, but sometimes card games get dismissed as something anybody can code out in a weekend. What we've created at BA is a very intricate set of features and options, leaving things as open ended as possible to the end user, and a lot of blood sweat and tears has gone into making the interface as efficient as possible. Ok, no blood or sweat, but I almost cried once when I stubbed my toe sitting at my computer chair. I think however I may be confused still about how the list is generated, there was something about not listing online games, which I never quite understood, if anyone can explain that to me more, I'd appreciate it. I think playing online is the best way of playing audio games, as your going up against other humans, the most dangerous game so to speak. Also, kudos to these guys for making a list and helping to get the word out there about accessible games, no matter where BA ends up, glad you guys are doing this. As for Jeremy's site, I would definately rank it top 10 at this point. Nobody has done more in less time than Jeremy in the history of audio games, and we need to encourage him all we can to keep up the great work. One last thing, I think free games have been given a leg up when it comes to making the list over commercial games, but the card room is as close to free as I can make it and maintain a dedicated server and a high level of tech support. At less than a dollar a week, its difficult to find less expensive entertainment with such high attention to detail and features. Later gang, Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What about core exiles http://www.core-exiles.com would this site count? Completely online accessible and the developers are quite approachable where our needs are concerned. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 December 2011 11:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Hi eleanor. while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client. Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which is also playable offline. while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of what does or does not count as online in this context would be a good thing, and also as I said, might influence the final list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Good thought darren, but no online games unfortunately. actualy i need to get back to Ce myself, I've been away for a week and at this time of year that's not so good. too many good games to catch up on though especially sinse I'm just about to perchice zero site :D. Beware the grue! Dark - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind What about core exiles http://www.core-exiles.com would this site count? Completely online accessible and the developers are quite approachable where our needs are concerned. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 December 2011 11:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Hi eleanor. while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client. Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which is also playable offline. while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of what does or does not count as online in this context would be a good thing, and also as I said, might influence the final list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well you won another competition it seems so you got another 6 months prem account -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 December 2011 17:10 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Good thought darren, but no online games unfortunately. actualy i need to get back to Ce myself, I've been away for a week and at this time of year that's not so good. too many good games to catch up on though especially sinse I'm just about to perchice zero site :D. Beware the grue! Dark - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind What about core exiles http://www.core-exiles.com would this site count? Completely online accessible and the developers are quite approachable where our needs are concerned. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 December 2011 11:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Hi eleanor. while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client. Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which is also playable offline. while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of what does or does not count as online in this context would be a good thing, and also as I said, might influence the final list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Elanor, Unlike Dark, I don't understand why you would exclude online games in this day and age. It may have made sense a decade ago, but the fact of the matter is that 'standalone' games are rapidly becoming the minority. Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if you were leaving half of the available games off the table with the current listing requirements. The closest analogy I can come up with is that it's like making a list of the all time greatest songs and leaving out anything that uses a drum machine. Given that the current 'top 25' list is set up more as 'top 25 plus a bunch of extra lists for overflow material', perhaps it would be better for the blind community to do some kind of multiple list or hierarchical setup: the years best individual games, downloadable game sites, online games, game developers, that sort of thing. Right now, the currently list is so widely variable in quality and landing page type that its usefulness is diminished. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:35 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi eleanor. while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client. Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which is also playable offline. while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of what does or does not count as online in this context would be a good thing, and also as I said, might influence the final list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Hi Dennis. i believe the online games mentioned doesn't mean games that have some online capability, but games that are entirely online, such as brouser games and yes, muds. If the top 25 list included all the online text games that blind people can play well that's a catagory in itself, pluss it's then hard to separate out games that have been adaptated or altered for blind players vs those that just happen to be accessible. that's why i see the point of excluding most online games, even including those I like such as Core exiles. Alteraeon though is I think the exception to this rule. other muds like New worlds, materiamagica and avatar muds have some features for blind or vi players but alteraeon goes way beyond the call of duty here with what it does with atmospheric and adapted text like the weather descriptions, and is as I said tantamount to an audio rpg with the mushclient pack as well. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Elanor, Unlike Dark, I don't understand why you would exclude online games in this day and age. It may have made sense a decade ago, but the fact of the matter is that 'standalone' games are rapidly becoming the minority. Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if you were leaving half of the available games off the table with the current listing requirements. The closest analogy I can come up with is that it's like making a list of the all time greatest songs and leaving out anything that uses a drum machine. Given that the current 'top 25' list is set up more as 'top 25 plus a bunch of extra lists for overflow material', perhaps it would be better for the blind community to do some kind of multiple list or hierarchical setup: the years best individual games, downloadable game sites, online games, game developers, that sort of thing. Right now, the currently list is so widely variable in quality and landing page type that its usefulness is diminished. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:35 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi eleanor. while I understand not reviewing sites for uniquely online games such as muds, I'm afraid I'm a litle confused why you would list a game like Sound rts or the topspeed series from playinginthedark, who's primary interest is it's online play, without considdering the online audio games available such as Blind adrenalin, Quentin C playroom and Rs client. Pluss, as far as Blind adrenaline goes there is the Rail racer game, which is also playable offline. while I appreciate the methodology, perhaps a more complete explanation of what does or does not count as online in this context would be a good thing, and also as I said, might influence the final list. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yes, I can see where a line needs to be drawn if your considering top sites for blind gamers. To me, the online thing shouldn't matter, what should matter is if the site offers games produced mainly for the blind, whether they are played online or not. Web based games such as Core Exiles and so forth are games that happen to be accessible because they are browser based, maybe with a few accessible bits thrown in. This is not the case with BA, Quinten's playroom or RS games. Although these all offer games played on the internet, they are all games designed for the blind, not games designed for the general public that happen to be playable by those with screenreaders. Of course, every game out there that happens to be playable by the blind cannot be properly reviewed by such a small staff for inclusion on such a list, but the sites that are developing computer games basically exclusively for the blind should be recognized for their efforts, and not lumped in with a bunch of offerings designed for the general public that just happen to be accessible as an afterthought. Eleanor has fallen quiet on the issue here, so perhaps their mind is made up on the topic, but if so, it is a shame they aren't taking input from the community on this, as I get the impression they are missing the point some of us are trying to make big time. If she is simply waiting to see what others have to say on the issue, thats great, and I look forward to hearing from her. No list of top sites is going to make that much of a difference one way or another frankly, but it would be a shame to see deserving work not get a bit of recognition because the powers that be might be mis informed about some of these sites out there. Bottom line, what is the purpose of posting a top 25 list, and is that purpose served by dismissing games designed by the blind, for the blind, just because their main mode of play happens to be against other human beings via the internet. No less fun is had with these games, no less work is put into their creation, and in fact doing multi player adds a level of complexity most non programmers cannot fathom. If I were to take the ability to play other human beings out of my games, would they then qualify for the top 25 list? Because if so, almost all of my games can be played as is single player that way, but this seems really silly to have to strip out a major component of a game so it can qualify as good enough for anything, when the option is there for you to play it that way. The exclusion of these sites just makes absolutely no sense to me, and I don't think I'm alone here. Again, I can see not including web based games, and even most muds though I think Alter Eon should be an exception given the amount of work put towards allowing the blind to be immersed in the game, but to dismiss a site because it makes games for the blind that also are playable online is just illogical to say the least.. Let me say this as well. Swamp, which by most accounts is a frontrunner candidate for accessible game of the year would not make this list given the current guidelines, , as it can be played online. Will the impact it has had on the gaming community be dismissed because it is played online, and if not, what is the difference between swamp, castaways, and other games jeremy has made, and the games RS Games, Quentin's Playroom and BA have to offer? Thoughts? Che On 12/20/2011 1:50 PM, dark wrote: Hi Dennis. i believe the online games mentioned doesn't mean games that have some online capability, but games that are entirely online, such as brouser games and yes, muds. If the top 25 list included all the online text games that blind people can play well that's a catagory in itself, pluss it's then hard to separate out games that have been adaptated or altered for blind players vs those that just happen to be accessible. that's why i see the point of excluding most online games, even including those I like such as Core exiles. Alteraeon though is I think the exception to this rule. other muds like New worlds, materiamagica and avatar muds have some features for blind or vi players but alteraeon goes way beyond the call of duty here with what it does with atmospheric and adapted text like the weather descriptions, and is as I said tantamount to an audio rpg with the mushclient pack as well. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Elanor, Unlike Dark, I don't understand why you would exclude online games in this day and age. It may have made sense a decade ago, but the fact of the matter is that 'standalone' games are rapidly becoming the minority. Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if you were leaving half of the available games off the table
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Well written and I agree with everything said here. My original impression was that entirely browser based games would be excluded from the list, though my personal opinion on who makes the best games didn't match the site's. Thus, while I believe that Alter Aeon and swamp should be some of the top games, that is likely due to the fact that currently those are the only two I'm seriously playing. I was also surprised to see GMA not near the top, but I suppose that there are lots of opinions on best out there. - Original Message - From: Che blindadrenal...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:44:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind yes, I can see where a line needs to be drawn if your considering top sites for blind gamers. To me, the online thing shouldn't matter, what should matter is if the site offers games produced mainly for the blind, whether they are played online or not. Web based games such as Core Exiles and so forth are games that happen to be accessible because they are browser based, maybe with a few accessible bits thrown in. This is not the case with BA, Quinten's playroom or RS games. Although these all offer games played on the internet, they are all games designed for the blind, not games designed for the general public that happen to be playable by those with screenreaders. Of course, every game out there that happens to be playable by the blind cannot be properly reviewed by such a small staff for inclusion on such a list, but the sites that are developing computer games basically exclusively for the blind should be recognized for their efforts, and not lumped in with a bunch of offerings designed for the general public that just happen to be accessible as an afterthought. Eleanor has fallen quiet on the issue here, so perhaps their mind is made up on the topic, but if so, it is a shame they aren't taking input from the community on this, as I get the impression they are missing the point some of us are trying to make big time. If she is simply waiting to see what others have to say on the issue, thats great, and I look forward to hearing from her. No list of top sites is going to make that much of a difference one way or another frankly, but it would be a shame to see deserving work not get a bit of recognition because the powers that be might be mis informed about some of these sites out there. Bottom line, what is the purpose of posting a top 25 list, and is that purpose served by dismissing games designed by the blind, for the blind, just because their main mode of play happens to be against other human beings via the internet. No less fun is had with these games, no less work is put into their creation, and in fact doing multi player adds a level of complexity most non programmers cannot fathom. If I were to take the ability to play other human beings out of my games, would they then qualify for the top 25 list? Because if so, almost all of my games can be played as is single player that way, but this seems really silly to have to strip out a major component of a game so it can qualify as good enough for anything, when the option is there for you to play it that way. The exclusion of these sites just makes absolutely no sense to me, and I don't think I'm alone here. Again, I can see not including web based games, and even most muds though I think Alter Eon should be an exception given the amount of work put towards allowing the blind to be immersed in the game, but to dismiss a site because it makes games for the blind that also are playable online is just illogical to say the least.. Let me say this as well. Swamp, which by most accounts is a frontrunner candidate for accessible game of the year would not make this list given the current guidelines, , as it can be played online. Will the impact it has had on the gaming community be dismissed because it is played online, and if not, what is the difference between swamp, castaways, and other games jeremy has made, and the games RS Games, Quentin's Playroom and BA have to offer? Thoughts? Che On 12/20/2011 1:50 PM, dark wrote: Hi Dennis. i believe the online games mentioned doesn't mean games that have some online capability, but games that are entirely online, such as brouser games and yes, muds. If the top 25 list included all the online text games that blind people can play well that's a catagory in itself, pluss it's then hard to separate out games that have been adaptated or altered for blind players vs those that just happen to be accessible. that's why i see the point of excluding most online games, even including those I like such as Core exiles. Alteraeon though is I think the exception to this rule. other muds like New worlds, materiamagica and avatar muds have some features for blind or vi players but alteraeon goes way
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Hi Che. Personally I've always found John and Eleanor from 7-128 highly reasonable and open to suggestion on many points, and sinse they have not responded on this matter I'd say your being a trifle hasty, or at least putting your point a litle too negatively. While I do agree, I'm content to reserve judgement until we find out what the top 25 happens to be this year, and also whether the criteria changes. As to how the top twenty five works in the scheme of things. Well you are right in that no it probably won't change the universe, however I will say that 7-128 actually do a lot in terms of game accessibility generally, and have links to various games and general access related organizations, from able gamers to retroremakes, indeed I first heard of 7-128 myself when they appeared in a magazine artical detailing their life style as well as their game access work. this means it's more likely to be seen by newcomers to audio games, and get the exposure we all need. so while I do agree perhaps the criteria were too narrow if it excluded specifically designed accessible clients for online gameplay, (especially sinse it counts games like sound rts and topspeed whos' single player mode is hardly astounding), I think we should wait for a response, or indeed for the list itself. Also on a final note, the list is not personal. just as I myself don't object to the fact that audiogames.net is always behind pcs games, I don't think the exclusion of any site is intended as a reflection of anyone's work, it just depends upon what criteria they use to evaluate the sites in question. Indeed I believe several factors such as google rank are things that few people can do anything about. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. We would like people on this list to let us know if there are any websites we should consider for the Top 25 list that are not currently on our list. If there are, please let me know so they will be included in our review. Thanks. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Eleanor, Looking over the lists on your web site, I think it's appropriate to recommend the Alter Aeon web site. Alter Aeon is a multiplayer MUD server, and over half of our playerbase is blind. Right now, there's 40 people logged in with the blind-mode features enabled. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com wrote: Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. We would like people on this list to let us know if there are any websites we should consider for the Top 25 list that are not currently on our list. If there are, please let me know so they will be included in our review. Thanks. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi ya, I'd like to nominate Blind Adrenaline for your list of the best gaming web sites: www.blindAdrenaline.com We have 10 games for the blind that are played over the internet, with interfaces designed specifically for screenreaders. our card and yahtzee games are hands down the most fully featured available for the blind, and the only card site with a built in system allowing tournaments to be held every day of every week in one game or another, a feature most players really dig. We have extensive audio tutorials to get beginners going, and a very easy and quick setup procedure to get rolling quick. Our prices are half that of All in Play, the other accessible commercial card game site, we have more games, and we have more features per game. We keep our prices reasonable, because we know budgets are strainged out there. Also, players are allowed to play free for a full month to try the games out and see what they think when they register a new account. Best of all, we have a thriving community of folks that enjoy getting together to play, chat, and share some fun. We've raised money for various charities in the past, and hope to continue to do so in the future. Thanks for your consideration. Che Martin Owner - Blind Adrenaline Simulations email: blindadrenal...@gmail.com On 12/19/2011 9:41 AM, Eleanor Robinson wrote: Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. We would like people on this list to let us know if there are any websites we should consider for the Top 25 list that are not currently on our list. If there are, please let me know so they will be included in our review. Thanks. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi blind adrenlin is grate i must say i love the games on there. when my connection is behaving better i'll be back on the tables for sure. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Actually che, Blind adrenaline was! on last years list, just in the recommended sites bit under the top 25 list, see http://www.7128.com/top25/topsitesblind.html so it'll likely be reviewed this year too. I also agree with Dennnis. Altereon, especially with the mush client soundpack could actually be considdered as a fully audio rpg rather than a standard text mmorp, sinse the access in the game, level of textual descriptions and interaction with the soundpack goes beyond just making a mud accessible and as far as developing a game for everyone. That's why it's got an entry on audiogames.net specifically, (I actually need to get back on the game myself :D). As to other sites, first is Aprone's games on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Aprone aka Jeremy Kaldobski discovered audio games in late 2010, and has done a staggering amount sinse then, particularly in creating unusual games that explore genres and ideas not tried in audio. These include the rapidly developing first ever mouse aiming online zombi shooter swamp, Castaways, a very detailed military and settlement stratogy game with online cooperative or pvp play, Lunimals, a detailed eco system management simulation, Daytona an arcade game with ful mouse movement, towers of war, the first tower defense game in audio, and indeed Dog who hates ttoast, a random litle word game. He also makes various other useful litle programs, like one to turn your keyboard into a brailler, or a colour identifyer for use with digital cameras, so imho deffinately deserves a place. Another is driftwood games, http://www.blind-games.com/ this is the home of Entombed, the first, and stil largest and most complex audio role playing game. Random generating passages of a massive dungeon, a complex battle system, more character choices than are concieveable and a huge amount of replay value. it even has it's own mailing list administrated by muggins. Like sound rts, it's a very revolutionary audio game. Then there is Paulosoft on http://pawlosoft.webs.com/ they are also a very new developer just started this year, and have made the first action/rpg game in the manner of Zelda. you play as Airik the clerric and explore a vast Kingdom, collecting christals to increase your abilities. the game has hopefully good voice acting to tell the story. They are intent on making Airik into a series with an ongoing story, and indeed are very interested in access in mainstream games. Hth. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. We would like people on this list to let us know if there are any websites we should consider for the Top 25 list that are not currently on our list. If there are, please let me know so they will be included in our review. Thanks. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I lost the original, so I'll reply to this one. I'd also like to recommend Alter Aeon for the list. This is probably the most comprehensive game I've ever played, and for better or worse, my character has almost 420 hours of playing time logged. Beyond the absolutely amazing gameplay, there are lots of people on there who are just a joy to chat with. As well, the website is entirely accessable from all platforms, and very nicely organized for screen rader/notetaker navigation. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:33:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Eleanor, Looking over the lists on your web site, I think it's appropriate to recommend the Alter Aeon web site. Alter Aeon is a multiplayer MUD server, and over half of our playerbase is blind. Right now, there's 40 people logged in with the blind-mode features enabled. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com wrote: Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. 쟙e would like people on this list to let us know if there are any websites we should consider for the Top 25 list that are not currently on our list. 쟅f there are, please let me know so they will be included in our review. Thanks. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Yah man, I know it was in the extra section, and I emailed Eleanor earlier this year about it, but it seems to me if the list is made up of sites that have an impact on audio gaming and the community, BA should be in the main list. There are several sites on that list that have only one or two games, and few games that have the complexity of Rail Racer, and no sites that have the feature set of the BA card room. With over 250 current paying customers and over 2000 trial accounts over the past 3 years, I'd say BA deserves its place in the pond, eh? Sorry for the excessive horn tooting, but sometimes card games get dismissed as something anybody can code out in a weekend. What we've created at BA is a very intricate set of features and options, leaving things as open ended as possible to the end user, and a lot of blood sweat and tears has gone into making the interface as efficient as possible. Ok, no blood or sweat, but I almost cried once when I stubbed my toe sitting at my computer chair. I think however I may be confused still about how the list is generated, there was something about not listing online games, which I never quite understood, if anyone can explain that to me more, I'd appreciate it. I think playing online is the best way of playing audio games, as your going up against other humans, the most dangerous game so to speak. Also, kudos to these guys for making a list and helping to get the word out there about accessible games, no matter where BA ends up, glad you guys are doing this. As for Jeremy's site, I would definately rank it top 10 at this point. Nobody has done more in less time than Jeremy in the history of audio games, and we need to encourage him all we can to keep up the great work. One last thing, I think free games have been given a leg up when it comes to making the list over commercial games, but the card room is as close to free as I can make it and maintain a dedicated server and a high level of tech support. At less than a dollar a week, its difficult to find less expensive entertainment with such high attention to detail and features. Later gang, Che On 12/19/2011 12:13 PM, dark wrote: Actually che, Blind adrenaline was! on last years list, just in the recommended sites bit under the top 25 list, see http://www.7128.com/top25/topsitesblind.html so it'll likely be reviewed this year too. I also agree with Dennnis. Altereon, especially with the mush client soundpack could actually be considdered as a fully audio rpg rather than a standard text mmorp, sinse the access in the game, level of textual descriptions and interaction with the soundpack goes beyond just making a mud accessible and as far as developing a game for everyone. That's why it's got an entry on audiogames.net specifically, (I actually need to get back on the game myself :D). As to other sites, first is Aprone's games on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Aprone aka Jeremy Kaldobski discovered audio games in late 2010, and has done a staggering amount sinse then, particularly in creating unusual games that explore genres and ideas not tried in audio. These include the rapidly developing first ever mouse aiming online zombi shooter swamp, Castaways, a very detailed military and settlement stratogy game with online cooperative or pvp play, Lunimals, a detailed eco system management simulation, Daytona an arcade game with ful mouse movement, towers of war, the first tower defense game in audio, and indeed Dog who hates ttoast, a random litle word game. He also makes various other useful litle programs, like one to turn your keyboard into a brailler, or a colour identifyer for use with digital cameras, so imho deffinately deserves a place. Another is driftwood games, http://www.blind-games.com/ this is the home of Entombed, the first, and stil largest and most complex audio role playing game. Random generating passages of a massive dungeon, a complex battle system, more character choices than are concieveable and a huge amount of replay value. it even has it's own mailing list administrated by muggins. Like sound rts, it's a very revolutionary audio game. Then there is Paulosoft on http://pawlosoft.webs.com/ they are also a very new developer just started this year, and have made the first action/rpg game in the manner of Zelda. you play as Airik the clerric and explore a vast Kingdom, collecting christals to increase your abilities. the game has hopefully good voice acting to tell the story. They are intent on making Airik into a series with an ongoing story, and indeed are very interested in access in mainstream games. Hth. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. We would like
Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Hello all, Why not propose my playroom on such a list ? http://qcsalon.net/ OK, it is certainly not as complex as a flight simulator or a zelda-like RPG, but don't forget that many people join in and play each day, probably as many as a mud. There are about 2000 accounts (officially 5000 but I should remove all multis), and at the moment 140 people are connected. Each day, more than 1800 uno rounds, 1800 thousend miles rounds, 90 monopoly games and 40 connect4 games take place on that wonderful network (statistics cover both english and french parts, live statistics on http://qcsalon.net/en/stats these stats are not cheated) NO doubt that aprone should also go on that list: he mades such amazing projects like lunimals, castaways or temporal. The developper of emtombed should also go there, and we should certainly not forget blastbays who allow beginners in audiogame programming to start with a very simple scripting language. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind
Che asked why we did not list online sites - the answer is that, as is posted in the Methodology section at the bottom of the list, it is primarily for computer game sites. We don't discuss hand-helds, consoles, or online sites. That being said, the Sites to Watch category lists several of the more influential online sites, including Blind Adrenaline. If you look at the methodology it spells out what we look at when we review sites. What I want to make sure is that I don't miss looking at a new site because I don't know about it. I appreciate the sites you have already given me and assure you they will be reviewed for this years update of the Top 25. Thanks again. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I would like to suggest Shard Workshop. We just released our first audiogame, Zero Sight, that is a pretty complex flight simulator. I know I'm biased, but this is just to let you know we exist! I don't want to influence your decision, so these are some sources of information: Our website here: www.shardworkshop.com, especially on the zero sight section and on the project section. Some threads on audiogames.net, like http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=6788, or http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=6740, or http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=6705 Thank you! 2011/12/19 Eleanor Robinson elea...@7128.com Gamers - I think my request for information got lost in the shuffle. We would like people on this list to let us know if there are any websites we should consider for the Top 25 list that are not currently on our list. If there are, please let me know so they will be included in our review. Thanks. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to Gamers-unsubscribe@audyssey. **org gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/**mailman/listinfo/gamers_**audyssey.orghttp://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org . All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/**gamers@audyssey.orghttp://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org . If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hi Eleanor, I am still confused as to what you guys are calling an online site I'm afraid. at Blind Adrenaline, we have 10 computer games, but none of them are played on our web site, they are each their own clients, the web site is just used so that people can see who is playing and launch their game from there. the games are not run on the web site itself, each one is its own client. When you say online sites, are you talking about games that are played exclusively on the web, like you put in a decision on a web page, then a new page loads with updates, etc? there are many examples of these that mimick role playing games, and because they are using standard web pages, they are usually accessible. This is nothing like what BA provides. I encourage whoever is judging the sites to take a look at how BA works and what we offer. On top of that, we released Rail Racer, voted the 2007 game of the year, which offered a lot of leading edge implementation of audio game ideas, including mouse support, multi player racing, and a full career mode. I guess once again, what I'm asking for is a definition of what you guys are calling online sites, because I think there may be some confusion here. Sites like RS games and Quentin's playroom should be considered as well in my opinion, they both serve the audio game needs of a lot of people, even though they also are played online, they have their own clients seperate of any web page. Thanks for any clarity on the subject. Che On 12/19/2011 2:50 PM, Eleanor Robinson wrote: Che asked why we did not list online sites - the answer is that, as is posted in the Methodology section at the bottom of the list, it is primarily for computer game sites. We don't discuss hand-helds, consoles, or online sites. That being said, the Sites to Watch category lists several of the more influential online sites, including Blind Adrenaline. If you look at the methodology it spells out what we look at when we review sites. What I want to make sure is that I don't miss looking at a new site because I don't know about it. I appreciate the sites you have already given me and assure you they will be reviewed for this years update of the Top 25. Thanks again. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Che, Interesting...I only know fo 8, nine if you count Rail Racer. What would be the tenth? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Che Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 25 websites for gamers who are blind hi Eleanor, I am still confused as to what you guys are calling an online site I'm afraid. at Blind Adrenaline, we have 10 computer games, but none of them are played on our web site, they are each their own clients, the web site is just used so that people can see who is playing and launch their game from there. the games are not run on the web site itself, each one is its own client. When you say online sites, are you talking about games that are played exclusively on the web, like you put in a decision on a web page, then a new page loads with updates, etc? there are many examples of these that mimick role playing games, and because they are using standard web pages, they are usually accessible. This is nothing like what BA provides. I encourage whoever is judging the sites to take a look at how BA works and what we offer. On top of that, we released Rail Racer, voted the 2007 game of the year, which offered a lot of leading edge implementation of audio game ideas, including mouse support, multi player racing, and a full career mode. I guess once again, what I'm asking for is a definition of what you guys are calling online sites, because I think there may be some confusion here. Sites like RS games and Quentin's playroom should be considered as well in my opinion, they both serve the audio game needs of a lot of people, even though they also are played online, they have their own clients seperate of any web page. Thanks for any clarity on the subject. Che On 12/19/2011 2:50 PM, Eleanor Robinson wrote: Che asked why we did not list online sites - the answer is that, as is posted in the Methodology section at the bottom of the list, it is primarily for computer game sites. We don't discuss hand-helds, consoles, or online sites. That being said, the Sites to Watch category lists several of the more influential online sites, including Blind Adrenaline. If you look at the methodology it spells out what we look at when we review sites. What I want to make sure is that I don't miss looking at a new site because I don't know about it. I appreciate the sites you have already given me and assure you they will be reviewed for this years update of the Top 25. Thanks again. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2108/4088 - Release Date: 12/18/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
