Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
Hi Josh, In Windows 8 and above, setting the User Account Control notification level slider to 0 does not automatically disable UAC entirely as it did in Windows 7. To fix this, you need to go into Local Security Policy. 1. Go to the Run dialog and type secpol.msc. 2. Navigate to Security Settings Local Policies, Security Opeions. 3. Look for the option that says, User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode. This setting will either be set to Not Configured or Enabled. 4. Press Enter on this setting, select the Disabled radio button, and hit OK.. Hipe this helps. Regards, Gavin On 8/6/2015 20:43, Josh K wrote: hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
thanks but i noticed that i now get a notification saying please restart the compute to turn the security policy back on. so is this security policy change only temporary during my current windows session? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/6/2015 4:25 PM, Gavin Grundlingh wrote: Hi Josh, In Windows 8 and above, setting the User Account Control notification level slider to 0 does not automatically disable UAC entirely as it did in Windows 7. To fix this, you need to go into Local Security Policy. 1. Go to the Run dialog and type secpol.msc. 2. Navigate to Security Settings Local Policies, Security Opeions. 3. Look for the option that says, User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode. This setting will either be set to Not Configured or Enabled. 4. Press Enter on this setting, select the Disabled radio button, and hit OK.. Hipe this helps. Regards, Gavin On 8/6/2015 20:43, Josh K wrote: hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
You may be able to do it by disabling user account control. If that doesn't work, you'll have to install them to somewhere you can write to (all of jim's games are simple zip files - location really doesn't matter in the slightest). -- From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? -- follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
I install most of our games to a different directory anyway. Most stuff I don't let install to program files. On 8/6/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: You may be able to do it by disabling user account control. If that doesn't work, you'll have to install them to somewhere you can write to (all of jim's games are simple zip files - location really doesn't matter in the slightest). -- From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? -- follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
The one advantage I came across with windowows10 narrator version is it let me bypass, and disable UAC itself, where NVDA wasn't reading those dialogues, etc. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet... - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games You may be able to do it by disabling user account control. If that doesn't work, you'll have to install them to somewhere you can write to (all of jim's games are simple zip files - location really doesn't matter in the slightest). -- From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? -- follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
Hi Josh, Yes. There is a very simple solution to all of the above problems. Install the games to your local user data folder and said problems will go away. Cheers! On 8/6/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? -- follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
hi in windows10 when I try installing a game into c:\program files x86\kitchensinc\ it says cannot write output files. this is because in windos10 and 8 and above it won't let even administrators write to those folders. well if i try copying files into those folders it lets me but only after i click the continue with automatic administrator rights button. so how do i make it like windows7 where i can freely install such games? also in regards to espeak this windows10 restricting me from modding such files will also prevent me from modifying espeak variant files. is there a way to fix this? -- follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games on windows 8
Hi Greg, Many thanks for checking that for me. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:02 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games on windows 8 Hello, Yes they will work on Windows 8and 8.1. I just installed them on my Windows 8.1 laptop. Greg Wocher On 5/12/15, Paul Lemm paul.lem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if Jim kitchen's games will work on windows 8? Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games on windows 8
Hi, Does anyone know if Jim kitchen's games will work on windows 8? Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games on windows 8
Hello, Yes they will work on Windows 8and 8.1. I just installed them on my Windows 8.1 laptop. Greg Wocher On 5/12/15, Paul Lemm paul.lem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if Jim kitchen's games will work on windows 8? Regards --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games adjust rate of speech
Here are the generic keys in Jim Kitchen's games: Special key instructions. Escape Key. exit game. F1. repeat current prompt. F2. repeat special key instructions. F12. change voice. control key. adjust rate of speech. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, Yes, it sure would take allot of work and allot of time even to change one thing in all of my games. The code would be easy but then you have to compile, package, up date the web page, up load the files and announce it all. Instead I plan to keep having fun working on Dungeon Master. BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, I'm sorry, but neither of my Windows XP computers have a c:\Users folder, and I doubt that VB6 has a way of finding that since as you said VB6 was out for like Windows 98. The only folder on my computers that seem to know my name is C:\Documents and Settings\Jim kitchen BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, No. With Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 every user gets their own personal application data folder. This is a special directory where programs are suppose to save their files to. On XP it would let you get away with writing files to c:\Program Files\Kitchensinc but as of Vista and later that isn't really recommended and causes technical issues with Microsoft User Account Control and other newer security software. Instead on Windows 7 the files would go in a directory like c:\Users\Thomas\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc assuming your user name is Thomas. If it is something like Jim, for example, and then the files would go in c:\Users\Jim\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc. There are ways to have your programs automatically discover the user's local App Data directory so its not very complicated. Just an extra step or two when writing and saving files. Unfortunately, its been about 10 years since I touched VB 6 so am not sure of the correct functions to access the user's local App Data directory off hand. I do know that in VB .NET 2010 its a fairly simple and straight forward process, and it works like a charm with User Account Control. Cheers! Jim Users: Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi jim. The equivalent folder to c:\users\ on windows 7 is c:\documents and settings on windows xp. On 9/13/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I'm sorry, but neither of my Windows XP computers have a c:\Users folder, and I doubt that VB6 has a way of finding that since as you said VB6 was out for like Windows 98. The only folder on my computers that seem to know my name is C:\Documents and Settings\Jim kitchen BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, No. With Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 every user gets their own personal application data folder. This is a special directory where programs are suppose to save their files to. On XP it would let you get away with writing files to c:\Program Files\Kitchensinc but as of Vista and later that isn't really recommended and causes technical issues with Microsoft User Account Control and other newer security software. Instead on Windows 7 the files would go in a directory like c:\Users\Thomas\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc assuming your user name is Thomas. If it is something like Jim, for example, and then the files would go in c:\Users\Jim\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc. There are ways to have your programs automatically discover the user's local App Data directory so its not very complicated. Just an extra step or two when writing and saving files. Unfortunately, its been about 10 years since I touched VB 6 so am not sure of the correct functions to access the user's local App Data directory off hand. I do know that in VB .NET 2010 its a fairly simple and straight forward process, and it works like a charm with User Account Control. Cheers! Jim Users: Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
That is because xp don't have the folder structure that vista or win7 64bit ops do. With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. Tried to tell you this many times for years, but landed on deff ears! At 05:10 AM 9/13/2012, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I'm sorry, but neither of my Windows XP computers have a c:\Users folder, and I doubt that VB6 has a way of finding that since as you said VB6 was out for like Windows 98. The only folder on my computers that seem to know my name is C:\Documents and Settings\Jim kitchen BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, No. With Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 every user gets their own personal application data folder. This is a special directory where programs are suppose to save their files to. On XP it would let you get away with writing files to c:\Program Files\Kitchensinc but as of Vista and later that isn't really recommended and causes technical issues with Microsoft User Account Control and other newer security software. Instead on Windows 7 the files would go in a directory like c:\Users\Thomas\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc assuming your user name is Thomas. If it is something like Jim, for example, and then the files would go in c:\Users\Jim\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc. There are ways to have your programs automatically discover the user's local App Data directory so its not very complicated. Just an extra step or two when writing and saving files. Unfortunately, its been about 10 years since I touched VB 6 so am not sure of the correct functions to access the user's local App Data directory off hand. I do know that in VB .NET 2010 its a fairly simple and straight forward process, and it works like a charm with User Account Control. Cheers! Jim Users: Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, The directory tree is a bit different in Windows XP. Documents and Settings is the equal of c:\Users today. I just googled the issue and yes VB 6 can accurately locate the App Data directory on Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and Windows 7. The reason is because Windows XP etc is a decendant of Windows NT, and Windows NT 4.5 was available in 1998 when VB 6 was introduced, and Windows NT had a multiuser environment the same as today's operating systems. Cheers! On 9/13/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I'm sorry, but neither of my Windows XP computers have a c:\Users folder, and I doubt that VB6 has a way of finding that since as you said VB6 was out for like Windows 98. The only folder on my computers that seem to know my name is C:\Documents and Settings\Jim kitchen BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
hmmm and not to mention that a lot of devs are still using old codebases or at least a few of them are publically using them. The good thing is that you can run a 32 bit os which does mean even for win8 users that we still can go 32 bit if we want but this may be the last one. For those on win7 we have about another decade, roughly 8 years before you need to decide but thats it, in 8 years we need to be fully away from old code period! And if not there will be issues. they are talking about moving the supports right off for every old code in win9 and win8 may already have this this may be the last version we can do things to. At 09:05 a.m. 13/09/2012 -0400, you wrote: That is because xp don't have the folder structure that vista or win7 64bit ops do. With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. Tried to tell you this many times for years, but landed on deff ears! At 05:10 AM 9/13/2012, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I'm sorry, but neither of my Windows XP computers have a c:\Users folder, and I doubt that VB6 has a way of finding that since as you said VB6 was out for like Windows 98. The only folder on my computers that seem to know my name is C:\Documents and Settings\Jim kitchen BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, No. With Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 every user gets their own personal application data folder. This is a special directory where programs are suppose to save their files to. On XP it would let you get away with writing files to c:\Program Files\Kitchensinc but as of Vista and later that isn't really recommended and causes technical issues with Microsoft User Account Control and other newer security software. Instead on Windows 7 the files would go in a directory like c:\Users\Thomas\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc assuming your user name is Thomas. If it is something like Jim, for example, and then the files would go in c:\Users\Jim\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc. There are ways to have your programs automatically discover the user's local App Data directory so its not very complicated. Just an extra step or two when writing and saving files. Unfortunately, its been about 10 years since I touched VB 6 so am not sure of the correct functions to access the user's local App Data directory off hand. I do know that in VB .NET 2010 its a fairly simple and straight forward process, and it works like a charm with User Account Control. Cheers! Jim Users: Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Willem, Thank you again very much for the information. BFN - Original Message - Hi jim. The equivalent folder to c:\users\ on windows 7 is c:\documents and settings on windows xp. Jim Correct in Thought, Statement, or ActionTRUE!! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for the information. I have looked at all of the VB6 stuff for directories and did not see what you found on google, but that's ok because I sure on the Green Mother's Earth am not going to rewrite Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Dungeon Master, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Strip war, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee, Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker and monopoly board maker just to put it in. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, The directory tree is a bit different in Windows XP. Documents and Settings is the equal of c:\Users today. I just googled the issue and yes VB 6 can accurately locate the App Data directory on Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and Windows 7. The reason is because Windows XP etc is a decendant of Windows NT, and Windows NT 4.5 was available in 1998 when VB 6 was introduced, and Windows NT had a multiuser environment the same as today's operating systems. Cheers! Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:05 AM, trouble wrote: With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. end quote. Not trying to start a war of any kind here. but did you know that all of Jeremy kaldobsky, also known as Aprone, codes all his games in VB6. This includes swamp and castaways. . runs on all version of windows OS from XP to win 8, and macs included. Sure you have to do some things to get them to run properly, but it is once and then your done. The games run just fine then. so if you think VB6 is that dead, think again. Shermanator --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Richard. I really hope that we will be able to play all the VB6 games for many years to come, as many of my favorite games are written in vb6. Not only Jim's kitchensinc games and the games you mentioned are vb6, but also GMA games, bsc, LWorks, and many other games. I can actually think of more good vb6 games than non vb6 games. The reality is that VB6 is an old technology. And old technologies sooner or later become so hard to use that people will stop playing those games. for now things are still working fine, but we as a community need to find a sustainable way to make the vb6 games work, so they are not lost to us. This has nothing to do with putting down of programming languages etc and everything to do with keeping the games I like around as long as possible. I feel as a fellow programmer the least I can do to pay tribute to the creative sols that made all these games that I love so much is find a way to make them playable for as long as possible. I know it's terribly altruistic of me, but for now it's the only solution I can see. Added to that, I do have a degree in computer science, so this is squarely inside my domain. After all, games got me interested in programming in the first place. On 9/14/12, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:05 AM, trouble wrote: With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. end quote. Not trying to start a war of any kind here. but did you know that all of Jeremy kaldobsky, also known as Aprone, codes all his games in VB6. This includes swamp and castaways. . runs on all version of windows OS from XP to win 8, and macs included. Sure you have to do some things to get them to run properly, but it is once and then your done. The games run just fine then. so if you think VB6 is that dead, think again. Shermanator --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Willem, Same here. I really hope that the games written in Visual Basic 6 last a good long time. So far we've been lucky and still get them to run on the Windows 8 betas. However, I am concerned long term because the issue is one of maintaining them as ops improve and change. Already we can see that User Account Control is something that has been around from Windows Vista and offers extra security from viruses, trojans, worms, and other malware yet we've seen very little from the audio games community to actually make their app's more User Account Control compliant, and instead the developers simply request we turn it off. While that works it also means one must compromise his or her security simply to continue playing games all because steps aren't being taken to develop software that meets current development standards. I've been guilty of this myself, but still it isn't something we should take lightly. Plus as someone with a degree in computer science and as a developer I realize how much more languages like Visual Basic .NET has to offer over say Visual Basic 6. Besides the fact it is better supported on Vista, Win 7, and Windows 8 it is fully object oriented, has a lot more preexisting classes to work with, some things are just down right easier to do. Accessing the registry, for example,is fairly straight forward in VB.NET. Plus if someone has VB .NET Pro they can compile executables for 32-bit and 64-bit platforms as well as for smart phones etc. It just seems a waist to me not to take advantage of what something like VB .NET or C# .NET has to offer the modern Windows developer. Cheers! On 9/13/12, Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard. I really hope that we will be able to play all the VB6 games for many years to come, as many of my favorite games are written in vb6. Not only Jim's kitchensinc games and the games you mentioned are vb6, but also GMA games, bsc, LWorks, and many other games. I can actually think of more good vb6 games than non vb6 games. The reality is that VB6 is an old technology. And old technologies sooner or later become so hard to use that people will stop playing those games. for now things are still working fine, but we as a community need to find a sustainable way to make the vb6 games work, so they are not lost to us. This has nothing to do with putting down of programming languages etc and everything to do with keeping the games I like around as long as possible. I feel as a fellow programmer the least I can do to pay tribute to the creative sols that made all these games that I love so much is find a way to make them playable for as long as possible. I know it's terribly altruistic of me, but for now it's the only solution I can see. Added to that, I do have a degree in computer science, so this is squarely inside my domain. After all, games got me interested in programming in the first place. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
HI, Thanks for expanding on my thought there. I meant no disrespect to any other programmer who currently uses VB6. Just those 2 games which are one of the few multiplayer ones out there came to mind and used them as an example. I take my hat off to all the programmers out there. I am old school, Cobol, Fortran, basic, rpg, and a few other now dead languages, are what I cut my teeth on many years ago. Got my associates in computer science but got burned out and never got back into programming. It is those of you who now pave the way for great games for me to play with that I salute you. Should have also said that even in the future, emulators and such will probably keep VB6 around for some time. just like those types of things keep dos and some really old, even arcade games, still around. Seems like where there is a will, there is a way. Rich - Original Message - From: Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:15 PM Hi Richard. I really hope that we will be able to play all the VB6 games for many years to come, as many of my favorite games are written in vb6. Not only Jim's kitchensinc games and the games you mentioned are vb6, but also GMA games, bsc, LWorks, and many other games. I can actually think of more good vb6 games than non vb6 games. The reality is that VB6 is an old technology. And old technologies sooner or later become so hard to use that people will stop playing those games. for now things are still working fine, but we as a community need to find a sustainable way to make the vb6 games work, so they are not lost to us. This has nothing to do with putting down of programming languages etc and everything to do with keeping the games I like around as long as possible. I feel as a fellow programmer the least I can do to pay tribute to the creative sols that made all these games that I love so much is find a way to make them playable for as long as possible. I know it's terribly altruistic of me, but for now it's the only solution I can see. Added to that, I do have a degree in computer science, so this is squarely inside my domain. After all, games got me interested in programming in the first place. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
we almost need some sort of vb 6 converter that would 1. convert all vb6 games to something like vb dotnet and compile them with the right code. In the case of jims games just converting them to bgt may be all we need to do and if we can get something that can convert the games to bgt that will work. Most devs, gma, blindsoftware and maybe others not sure about lworks but they must be looking at it to are have or are in the process of changing over. Though this brings up a point, all aprone's games are in vb6 and these are quite new. Its a pitty we can't have a vb 6 syntax convert to something like c++ on compile but could look like the old stuff. Or some sort of vertual machine which would run the vb 6 games like some sort of old os wrapper. At 01:15 a.m. 14/09/2012 +0200, you wrote: Hi Richard. I really hope that we will be able to play all the VB6 games for many years to come, as many of my favorite games are written in vb6. Not only Jim's kitchensinc games and the games you mentioned are vb6, but also GMA games, bsc, LWorks, and many other games. I can actually think of more good vb6 games than non vb6 games. The reality is that VB6 is an old technology. And old technologies sooner or later become so hard to use that people will stop playing those games. for now things are still working fine, but we as a community need to find a sustainable way to make the vb6 games work, so they are not lost to us. This has nothing to do with putting down of programming languages etc and everything to do with keeping the games I like around as long as possible. I feel as a fellow programmer the least I can do to pay tribute to the creative sols that made all these games that I love so much is find a way to make them playable for as long as possible. I know it's terribly altruistic of me, but for now it's the only solution I can see. Added to that, I do have a degree in computer science, so this is squarely inside my domain. After all, games got me interested in programming in the first place. On 9/14/12, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:05 AM, trouble wrote: With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. end quote. Not trying to start a war of any kind here. but did you know that all of Jeremy kaldobsky, also known as Aprone, codes all his games in VB6. This includes swamp and castaways. . runs on all version of windows OS from XP to win 8, and macs included. Sure you have to do some things to get them to run properly, but it is once and then your done. The games run just fine then. so if you think VB6 is that dead, think again. Shermanator --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
I really don't have to think that hard. If you don't already have VB6. Your going to be hard pressed in finding it or any support for it. Even Microsoft won't give it any 64 bit support, and states it is only 32 bit throughout its life cycle. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/ms788708.aspx At 06:45 PM 9/13/2012, you wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:05 AM, trouble wrote: With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. end quote. Not trying to start a war of any kind here. but did you know that all of Jeremy kaldobsky, also known as Aprone, codes all his games in VB6. This includes swamp and castaways. . runs on all version of windows OS from XP to win 8, and macs included. Sure you have to do some things to get them to run properly, but it is once and then your done. The games run just fine then. so if you think VB6 is that dead, think again. Shermanator --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
well I have the sp6 runtimes and if I get instructions to install those on 64 bit is all ok. as long as the runtimes are avalible and we have the right dx runtime files to register we should be ok as long as we don't need even more files and as long as those files can be previded for games by users. Ofcause that will end when 32 bit support is dropped. and that may not happen for a couple versions of windows yet or until the majority of the world stops using 32 bit systems or doesn't like 32 bit anymore. Not to say things may not work right when using it though. At 10:18 p.m. 13/09/2012 -0400, you wrote: I really don't have to think that hard. If you don't already have VB6. Your going to be hard pressed in finding it or any support for it. Even Microsoft won't give it any 64 bit support, and states it is only 32 bit throughout its life cycle. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/ms788708.aspx At 06:45 PM 9/13/2012, you wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:05 AM, trouble wrote: With just about everyone switching to 64 bit ops with new computers. Your games and VB6 coding is being left behind just like dos. end quote. Not trying to start a war of any kind here. but did you know that all of Jeremy kaldobsky, also known as Aprone, codes all his games in VB6. This includes swamp and castaways. . runs on all version of windows OS from XP to win 8, and macs included. Sure you have to do some things to get them to run properly, but it is once and then your done. The games run just fine then. so if you think VB6 is that dead, think again. Shermanator --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Richard, Well, in my experience emulators are a bad idea because they often aren't accessible. However, virtual machines are becoming quite popular and are very accessible.Plus it makes it possible to run any operating system inside a virtual machine. For example, my laptop is running Ubuntu Linux 12.04.1 as the primary OS, but obviously I can't play Shades of Doom, Tank Commander, and so on in Linux. So what I've done is install Windows 7 in a virtual machine with all my games and Windows applications. That way if I want to play a Windows based game or run an application like Goldwave its as simply as booting the virtual machine and I can toggle back and forth between Linux and Windows at the same time. The only disadvantage to doing it this way is Windows apps will run slower in a virtual machine, but it is the best way I know of to maintain two operating systems at the same time. Still, for those people looking to upgrade to a brand new Windows 8 machine with a 64-bit processor etc, they can simply install XP into a virtual machine and run it for older apps and games that don't work as well on Windows 8. Therefore a person can get the best of both worlds. So, yes, where there is a will there is a way. :D Cheers! On 9/13/12, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote: HI, Thanks for expanding on my thought there. I meant no disrespect to any other programmer who currently uses VB6. Just those 2 games which are one of the few multiplayer ones out there came to mind and used them as an example. I take my hat off to all the programmers out there. I am old school, Cobol, Fortran, basic, rpg, and a few other now dead languages, are what I cut my teeth on many years ago. Got my associates in computer science but got burned out and never got back into programming. It is those of you who now pave the way for great games for me to play with that I salute you. Should have also said that even in the future, emulators and such will probably keep VB6 around for some time. just like those types of things keep dos and some really old, even arcade games, still around. Seems like where there is a will, there is a way. Rich --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Shaun, Oh, I think it will be at least 10 years before we see the end of 32-bit. Most apps and PCs out there are still 32-bit and it will take years for that technology to be replaced by newer 64-bit apps and hardware. Just look how long it took to go from 16-bit to 32-bit before 16-bit apps were dropped. As I recall the first Windows operating system to be compiled for a 32-bit system was Windows 95 OS2 which was released in like 96. The original Windows 95 was actually still 16-bit and it was the second release where Microsoft actually completely converted to 32-bit. The first Windows 64-bit versions of Vista came out in 2007 which was a full 11 years later, and to this day Microsoft is still selling both a 32-bit and a 64-bit version of Windows 7. Bottom line, 32-bit will be available for quite a bit longer as we are just now seeing 16-bit support being totally phased out,and it has been about 16 years since Microsoft went fully 32-bit. So I doubt they will go full 64-bit until 10 or maybe 15 years from now when we have 128 -bit computers. :D Cheers! On 9/13/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well I have the sp6 runtimes and if I get instructions to install those on 64 bit is all ok. as long as the runtimes are avalible and we have the right dx runtime files to register we should be ok as long as we don't need even more files and as long as those files can be previded for games by users. Ofcause that will end when 32 bit support is dropped. and that may not happen for a couple versions of windows yet or until the majority of the world stops using 32 bit systems or doesn't like 32 bit anymore. Not to say things may not work right when using it though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, So if I put a 32 bit application in c:\program files\something it would not run? And all 32 bit applications must be in c:\program files(x86)\something I thought that you said that Windows 7 64 bit actually want applications to be installed in c:\something\users\something BFN Jim If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi jim. The directory in the c:\users directory is supposed to keep setting so if multiple users use the same program they can have different settings. 32 bit Programs installed to the program files directory will still run, but windows recommends that you keep 32 bit programs in the 32 bit program folder. I guess you could just throw their recommendation out the window, but at some point things might start breaking, depending on what changes in newer windows versions, but putting everything in c:\program files will work on windows 7 32 and 64 bit. On 9/12/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, So if I put a 32 bit application in c:\program files\something it would not run? And all 32 bit applications must be in c:\program files(x86)\something I thought that you said that Windows 7 64 bit actually want applications to be installed in c:\something\users\something BFN Jim If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, I'm not sure if you installed a 32-bit app to c:\Program files\Something if it would run or not, but I do know Windows 7 reserves c:\Program Files exclusively for 64-bit applications. Microsoft, for reasons I'm not sure of myself, have created a c:\Program Files (x86) directory specifically for older 32-bit applications, and I assume Windows 7 looks in c:\Program Files (x86) by default for 32-bit apps and they may or may not run correctly in c:\Program Files. I'd have to try it before I could say for sure. As for the issue of installing to c:\Users you are confusing something I personally do with standard practice. When User Account Control is active the end user is restricted from saving files to c:\Program Files and c:\Program Files (x86) by default. Therefore a lot of your games crash or give an error message because they attempt to save scores and so on to c:\Program Files (x86)\Kitchinsinc and that is a restricted area as long as I have User Account Control enabled. My solution for that problam was to install the games to c:\Users\Thomas\Kitchinsinc which is in my local home directory and is not restricted by User Account Control. If your games saved their data to the Application Data directory then I wouldn't have to do this because they would be UAC compliant. Does that make sense? Cheers! On 9/12/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, So if I put a 32 bit application in c:\program files\something it would not run? And all 32 bit applications must be in c:\program files(x86)\something I thought that you said that Windows 7 64 bit actually want applications to be installed in c:\something\users\something BFN Jim If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, May I ask, when you say save the record scores, log files etc of my games to the Application Data directory, does that mean to c:\program files\kitchensinc\data Or is there some folder some where named Application Data directory? if it is c:\program files\kitchensinc\data then it is not restricted as c:\program files\kitchensinc is right? BFN Jim Data, you ARE fully functional, aren't you? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Willem, Thank you very much for the information. Really appreciate it. BFN - Original Message - Hi jim. The directory in the c:\users directory is supposed to keep setting so if multiple users use the same program they can have different settings. 32 bit Programs installed to the program files directory will still run, but windows recommends that you keep 32 bit programs in the 32 bit program folder. I guess you could just throw their recommendation out the window, but at some point things might start breaking, depending on what changes in newer windows versions, but putting everything in c:\program files will work on windows 7 32 and 64 bit. Jim Users: Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, No. With Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 every user gets their own personal application data folder. This is a special directory where programs are suppose to save their files to. On XP it would let you get away with writing files to c:\Program Files\Kitchensinc but as of Vista and later that isn't really recommended and causes technical issues with Microsoft User Account Control and other newer security software. Instead on Windows 7 the files would go in a directory like c:\Users\Thomas\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc assuming your user name is Thomas. If it is something like Jim, for example, and then the files would go in c:\Users\Jim\App Data\Roaming\Kitchens Inc. There are ways to have your programs automatically discover the user's local App Data directory so its not very complicated. Just an extra step or two when writing and saving files. Unfortunately, its been about 10 years since I touched VB 6 so am not sure of the correct functions to access the user's local App Data directory off hand. I do know that in VB .NET 2010 its a fairly simple and straight forward process, and it works like a charm with User Account Control. Cheers! On 9/12/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, May I ask, when you say save the record scores, log files etc of my games to the Application Data directory, does that mean to c:\program files\kitchensinc\data Or is there some folder some where named Application Data directory? if it is c:\program files\kitchensinc\data then it is not restricted as c:\program files\kitchensinc is right? BFN Jim Data, you ARE fully functional, aren't you? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Michael, The thing is, I did not put out a new version of Monopoly or the trivia game engine just to include the new files. There were changes to the games themselves. But anyway if I combined all of the files and put out wingolf11 and announced it, people would ask what is different in version 11 and why does the game still say that it is version 10. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for the answers to my questions about the Inno installer. I had not looked at the Inno documentation, my assumptions were based on how I saw it used by others. Truthfully I do not think that it is that big enough of a problem for me to repackage Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Dungeon Master, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Strip war, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee, Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker and monopoly board maker. The only problem is that on some computers, that is ones running Windows 7 64 bit there are two folders. I think that the Microsoft install program in my winkit.zip file is still good as are the rest of the self extracting zip files. But now if Inno could simply extract the files as WinZip does, but automatically figure out if the files need to be extracted to c:\program files\kitchensinc for computers running Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 32 bit, but then extract the files to c:\program files(x86)\kitchensinc for computers running Windows 7 64 bit then I would think about it. But I don't know as I do not have a Windows 7 64 bit computer to test it on. BFN Jim Historically, I have been alive my entire life. There for, I always will be. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, That's precisely what I'm talking about. I have both Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit here so I can test it out. It should pick the correct instalation folder based on if the app is specified as x86 or x64 in the Inno Setup script. While I'm thinking of it the other advantage of Inno Setup is that you'd actually get an option in Add/Remove Programs so you don't need a uninst.bat file for each game. Cheers! On 9/11/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for the answers to my questions about the Inno installer. I had not looked at the Inno documentation, my assumptions were based on how I saw it used by others. Truthfully I do not think that it is that big enough of a problem for me to repackage Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Dungeon Master, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Strip war, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee, Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker and monopoly board maker. The only problem is that on some computers, that is ones running Windows 7 64 bit there are two folders. I think that the Microsoft install program in my winkit.zip file is still good as are the rest of the self extracting zip files. But now if Inno could simply extract the files as WinZip does, but automatically figure out if the files need to be extracted to c:\program files\kitchensinc for computers running Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 32 bit, but then extract the files to c:\program files(x86)\kitchensinc for computers running Windows 7 64 bit then I would think about it. But I don't know as I do not have a Windows 7 64 bit computer to test it on. BFN Jim Historically, I have been alive my entire life. There for, I always will be. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Shaun, Simple, just compile a new installer. Once the Inno Scripts are written it is a painless process to change version number and a couple of things like that in the script, open it in the Inno Setup IDE, and then hit compile. Five minutes later or so Jim gets a brand new setup file. For a brand new game I'd copy an existing script modify the name of the app, version number, add or remove some extra files to it, and bingo I've got a new setup script. Cheers! On 9/10/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: and what about all the new games? jim would have to create installers for each game. I do know the codecguide guys use updaters for their klite codec pack so maybe there are updating modules though i never have researched them at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
jim I can probably help with inosetups if you want. However I have only used the generator. So I could compile everything into a script but I couldn't do anything else. At 02:00 p.m. 11/09/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Simple, just compile a new installer. Once the Inno Scripts are written it is a painless process to change version number and a couple of things like that in the script, open it in the Inno Setup IDE, and then hit compile. Five minutes later or so Jim gets a brand new setup file. For a brand new game I'd copy an existing script modify the name of the app, version number, add or remove some extra files to it, and bingo I've got a new setup script. Cheers! On 9/10/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: and what about all the new games? jim would have to create installers for each game. I do know the codecguide guys use updaters for their klite codec pack so maybe there are updating modules though i never have researched them at all. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, Really I very much like my idea of just the self extracting zip files thus by passing the whole Windows add slash remove programs and registry thing, and then just a batch file to remove the game. And as you yourself said, you would not develop something for a system that you could not test it on, right? Now maybe if Inno would install my WinKit files to c:\program files\kitchensinc instead of the c:\program files(x86)\kitchensinc And then when my self extracting zip files put the rest of the games in c:\program files\kitchensinc It would all be good again for all, even Windows 7 64 bit. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, That's precisely what I'm talking about. I have both Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit here so I can test it out. It should pick the correct instalation folder based on if the app is specified as x86 or x64 in the Inno Setup script. While I'm thinking of it the other advantage of Inno Setup is that you'd actually get an option in Add/Remove Programs so you don't need a uninst.bat file for each game. Cheers! Jim Check again to make sure it's not loaded. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
actually the innosetups can be uninstalled unless you tell them not to. that is you can uninstall a program from its menu by default or going to its directory manually and running uninst0.exe At 07:04 p.m. 11/09/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Really I very much like my idea of just the self extracting zip files thus by passing the whole Windows add slash remove programs and registry thing, and then just a batch file to remove the game. And as you yourself said, you would not develop something for a system that you could not test it on, right? Now maybe if Inno would install my WinKit files to c:\program files\kitchensinc instead of the c:\program files(x86)\kitchensinc And then when my self extracting zip files put the rest of the games in c:\program files\kitchensinc It would all be good again for all, even Windows 7 64 bit. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, That's precisely what I'm talking about. I have both Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit here so I can test it out. It should pick the correct instalation folder based on if the app is specified as x86 or x64 in the Inno Setup script. While I'm thinking of it the other advantage of Inno Setup is that you'd actually get an option in Add/Remove Programs so you don't need a uninst.bat file for each game. Cheers! Jim Check again to make sure it's not loaded. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, Fair enough. Although, there is a very good reason why Winkit does not install your files to c:\Program Files. The reason is because that directory is reserved for 64-bit programs only. The c:\Program Files (X86) directory is for 32-bit programs and is there for reserved for backwards compatibility with older 32-bit apps such as yours. That's why there are two different Program Files directories on Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 64-bit. About the only suggestion I have if you don't want to use Inno Setup is to create two separate types of self-extracting files. One set for Windows and another for Windows 64-bit machines. It is a bit irritating for those of us with newer machines to have to fix the installation path every time we install a game because your setup files don't identify the right directory, and those people who are new to 64-bit Windows simply don't know any better and they run into problems. So it would be helpful if you did something to address this issue. Cheers~! On 9/11/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Really I very much like my idea of just the self extracting zip files thus by passing the whole Windows add slash remove programs and registry thing, and then just a batch file to remove the game. And as you yourself said, you would not develop something for a system that you could not test it on, right? Now maybe if Inno would install my WinKit files to c:\program files\kitchensinc instead of the c:\program files(x86)\kitchensinc And then when my self extracting zip files put the rest of the games in c:\program files\kitchensinc It would all be good again for all, even Windows 7 64 bit. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, That's precisely what I'm talking about. I have both Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit here so I can test it out. It should pick the correct instalation folder based on if the app is specified as x86 or x64 in the Inno Setup script. While I'm thinking of it the other advantage of Inno Setup is that you'd actually get an option in Add/Remove Programs so you don't need a uninst.bat file for each game. Cheers! Jim Check again to make sure it's not loaded. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for the offer, but I don't fancy repackaging my thirty some games. Just curious but wouldn't Inno want to create a Kitchensinc folder each time? And doesn't it want to make a sub folder for the sound files etc? And doesn't it write to the registry? And doesn't it add size to the zip file? You know other than the Microsoft install program in the winkit.zip file the rest of my games are just self extracting zip files. Now I type in the default folder c:\program files\kitchensinc But one can change that as needed before the files are unzipped. You know even like just to a temporary folder and then copied to a folder with my game menu program. BFN Jim Check my web site for my free blind accessible pc dos and windows games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim. I would love it if there was a single installer that installed all your games in one go, like winkit does with the menu system and VB6 files. Your games are small enough to not make a difference on most computers, even if a user wants only a few of the games. And you get many high quality games for free in a file with a size many current games exceed. I believe compresseing all your games makes a file of only 74 MB. If you are worried about On 9/10/12, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, You know, there is a very simple fix for that problem. Why not bundle all your games using a setup utility like Inno Setup, and it will detect things like this which would save people problems like this in the future. If you want I can create some Inno Setup scripts for you to build installers for your games so we can avoid these kinds of problems in the future. On 9/9/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Orin, Yeah, my winkit install goes in one folder and then the rest of my games unzip to a different folder when one is running Windows 7 64 bit. Below is what one lady wrote about the problem. Hello all, I just found out something I hope will help you Sherry, ok you no how in windows 7 we have two program file folders? One is just called program files, and the other is called program files x86, well here is what happen to me. I installed the winkit program and it went into just the program files x86 folder. And when I installed the games they went into the folder. Called just program files. So fined out which one is the winkit one and go to which of the program folders the computer put the games in and copy and paste them into the winkit one it works. Like I found out winkit was in the program files x86 so I went to just program files and copied the games from kitchensinc and put them in program files x86 kitchensinc and then I removed the one in program files. Just deleted the folder. Make sure you are in administrator Hope that helps. Susan I hope that helps. BFN Jim Vote! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Will, Yeah all of my games do compress to somewhere around 74 MB. But I have to tell you that I get asked allot how to get rid of tiny little programs like reader, waver, my brain etc. I guess that some people really do not want things on their computer that they do not want. And then there are those who do not want any of the adult games etc. I also have to tell you that it was not easy creating that Microsoft VB6 install program. It is about the only part of the VB6 package that is not very screen reader friendly. So you know, I am sorry, but I most likely will not be putting a install file of all of my games up on my site. Sorry about that. BFN Jim Thank you for reading this message! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, that's ok. But could you think about doing something different? Since you released your last version of the golf game, lots of golf courses were released. But there are a few of them grouped together, as well as the fix for the golf course maker. Shouldn't that fix be included in the main game and don't you think it could be time to put the ten different golf course files into one? I think you did something similar with all the trivia sets when the last major trivia update came out and the same was true for the monopoly game and the board files. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, No, it is not necessary for Inno Setup to create a Kitchensinc folder every time it installs a program. If it already exists it can be scripted to simply update the existing folder. If it does not exist it can create one. As far as where sounds go again its not necessary to put them in a separate sounds folder. That is purely up to the developer creating the setup program where to place sounds, documentation, and other files. Personally, I put them in their own directories to keep my directories clean, but Inno Setup will let you put them wherever you want them. When it comes to the registry again that is purely up to the developer. If you don't add any registry keys to your setup script none will be added to your registry. Its as simple as that. Finally, you might be surprised Inno Setup files are much smaller than zip files and zip extracting files. It uses a newer and better compression format that really compresses the data very tightly for nice small and compact setup files. It might not be a huge advantage for you since your games are pretty small anyway, but for me I've seen a directory of 400 MB be packed into a 250 MB setup file which saved 150 MB of space. That's pretty good compression. Bottom line, I think you are misinformed about Inno Setup and perhaps are confusing it with Microsoft Setup Installer or something. Inno Setup is a great tool and once you get the hang of the iss scripts it is a sinch to build new setup files for your games, and it only does exactly what you tell it to do. I'd be willing to write a sample script to show you what it looks like and might even be willing to help you create setups for your games to get it more Windows compatible for newer Windows operating systems. I was thinking of doing that for myself anyway since I only have one machine running XP and I'm considering of upgrading that one to Windows 7 as well. Cheers! On 9/10/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for the offer, but I don't fancy repackaging my thirty some games. Just curious but wouldn't Inno want to create a Kitchensinc folder each time? And doesn't it want to make a sub folder for the sound files etc? And doesn't it write to the registry? And doesn't it add size to the zip file? You know other than the Microsoft install program in the winkit.zip file the rest of my games are just self extracting zip files. Now I type in the default folder c:\program files\kitchensinc But one can change that as needed before the files are unzipped. You know even like just to a temporary folder and then copied to a folder with my game menu program. BFN Jim Check my web site for my free blind accessible pc dos and windows games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, UgThe setup program that came with VB 6 absolutely sucked. I hated that setup installer program. Inno Setup is much more screen reader friendly and a million times easier to use. Tell you what I'll make all the setup installers for your games, donate them to you, and then you can redistribute them. How does that sound? Cheers! On 9/10/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Will, Yeah all of my games do compress to somewhere around 74 MB. But I have to tell you that I get asked allot how to get rid of tiny little programs like reader, waver, my brain etc. I guess that some people really do not want things on their computer that they do not want. And then there are those who do not want any of the adult games etc. I also have to tell you that it was not easy creating that Microsoft VB6 install program. It is about the only part of the VB6 package that is not very screen reader friendly. So you know, I am sorry, but I most likely will not be putting a install file of all of my games up on my site. Sorry about that. BFN Jim --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
and what about all the new games? jim would have to create installers for each game. I do know the codecguide guys use updaters for their klite codec pack so maybe there are updating modules though i never have researched them at all. At 11:30 a.m. 10/09/2012 +0200, you wrote: Hi Jim. I would love it if there was a single installer that installed all your games in one go, like winkit does with the menu system and VB6 files. Your games are small enough to not make a difference on most computers, even if a user wants only a few of the games. And you get many high quality games for free in a file with a size many current games exceed. I believe compresseing all your games makes a file of only 74 MB. If you are worried about On 9/10/12, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim, You know, there is a very simple fix for that problem. Why not bundle all your games using a setup utility like Inno Setup, and it will detect things like this which would save people problems like this in the future. If you want I can create some Inno Setup scripts for you to build installers for your games so we can avoid these kinds of problems in the future. On 9/9/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Orin, Yeah, my winkit install goes in one folder and then the rest of my games unzip to a different folder when one is running Windows 7 64 bit. Below is what one lady wrote about the problem. Hello all, I just found out something I hope will help you Sherry, ok you no how in windows 7 we have two program file folders? One is just called program files, and the other is called program files x86, well here is what happen to me. I installed the winkit program and it went into just the program files x86 folder. And when I installed the games they went into the folder. Called just program files. So fined out which one is the winkit one and go to which of the program folders the computer put the games in and copy and paste them into the winkit one it works. Like I found out winkit was in the program files x86 so I went to just program files and copied the games from kitchensinc and put them in program files x86 kitchensinc and then I removed the one in program files. Just deleted the folder. Make sure you are in administrator Hope that helps. Susan I hope that helps. BFN Jim Vote! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi all, Just curious if anyone has ever installed the Game menu program with life, and that's fine and it's working. However I unzipped Dungeon Master and it doesn't show up in the game menu. I even tried running as administrator and it didn't show up. Any idea on how to fix this? Thanks. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
If 64-bit make sure it installs to program files (x86) by default the zips will unzip to just program files. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Orin Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:28 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7? Hi all, Just curious if anyone has ever installed the Game menu program with life, and that's fine and it's working. However I unzipped Dungeon Master and it doesn't show up in the game menu. I even tried running as administrator and it didn't show up. Any idea on how to fix this? Thanks. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi, I have the game menu installed and I have no trouble with it working. In fact, I have even played life. Sharon -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Orin Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:28 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7? Hi all, Just curious if anyone has ever installed the Game menu program with life, and that's fine and it's working. However I unzipped Dungeon Master and it doesn't show up in the game menu. I even tried running as administrator and it didn't show up. Any idea on how to fix this? Thanks. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Orin, Yeah, my winkit install goes in one folder and then the rest of my games unzip to a different folder when one is running Windows 7 64 bit. Below is what one lady wrote about the problem. Hello all, I just found out something I hope will help you Sherry, ok you no how in windows 7 we have two program file folders? One is just called program files, and the other is called program files x86, well here is what happen to me. I installed the winkit program and it went into just the program files x86 folder. And when I installed the games they went into the folder. Called just program files. So fined out which one is the winkit one and go to which of the program folders the computer put the games in and copy and paste them into the winkit one it works. Like I found out winkit was in the program files x86 so I went to just program files and copied the games from kitchensinc and put them in program files x86 kitchensinc and then I removed the one in program files. Just deleted the folder. Make sure you are in administrator Hope that helps. Susan I hope that helps. BFN Jim Vote! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's games and Win7?
Hi Jim, You know, there is a very simple fix for that problem. Why not bundle all your games using a setup utility like Inno Setup, and it will detect things like this which would save people problems like this in the future. If you want I can create some Inno Setup scripts for you to build installers for your games so we can avoid these kinds of problems in the future. On 9/9/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Orin, Yeah, my winkit install goes in one folder and then the rest of my games unzip to a different folder when one is running Windows 7 64 bit. Below is what one lady wrote about the problem. Hello all, I just found out something I hope will help you Sherry, ok you no how in windows 7 we have two program file folders? One is just called program files, and the other is called program files x86, well here is what happen to me. I installed the winkit program and it went into just the program files x86 folder. And when I installed the games they went into the folder. Called just program files. So fined out which one is the winkit one and go to which of the program folders the computer put the games in and copy and paste them into the winkit one it works. Like I found out winkit was in the program files x86 so I went to just program files and copied the games from kitchensinc and put them in program files x86 kitchensinc and then I removed the one in program files. Just deleted the folder. Make sure you are in administrator Hope that helps. Susan I hope that helps. BFN Jim Vote! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
Hi Damien, Yes in some of my games pressing the alt key is sort of an Easter egg. It is also meant to keep one from using alt f4 to close the program as my games were not designed to be closed that way. I have now learned how to manage what happens when one presses alt f4. So far that is only in Simon and Snakes and Ladders. I have one little program that loads the words from a text file and then randomly picks and mixes those words into random length sentences. One text file that I use is nothing but descriptive sex words. That's kind of fun. grin I also have a little program that just picks letters and vowels to make up words. Which is also fun, but sometimes doesn't work for all of the sapi5 voices. Both of these programs though are written specifically to choose from the voices that I have on my computer. So I have not shared them. BFN Jim Random order is an oxymoron. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
hi. do any of you notice when you press the alt key on cassino, sapi just goes mad? or if you press alt+f4 on a game? does anyone know why this happens? jim perhaps? or anyone who may know ... does it do it on the bg games as well? thanks. regards, damien' ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
Jim did tell us once, well me once. Its just an easteregg I think. There is this other program thats not for release, I suppose if you asked for this program he may give it to you. At 10:05 a.m. 2/02/2007, you wrote: hi. do any of you notice when you press the alt key on cassino, sapi just goes mad? or if you press alt+f4 on a game? does anyone know why this happens? jim perhaps? or anyone who may know ... does it do it on the bg games as well? thanks. regards, damien' ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
what other program is that? Josh - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games Jim did tell us once, well me once. Its just an easteregg I think. There is this other program thats not for release, I suppose if you asked for this program he may give it to you. At 10:05 a.m. 2/02/2007, you wrote: hi. do any of you notice when you press the alt key on cassino, sapi just goes mad? or if you press alt+f4 on a game? does anyone know why this happens? jim perhaps? or anyone who may know ... does it do it on the bg games as well? thanks. regards, damien' ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
He never said. Its this alien program that makes the sapi stuff go weird, thats all I know. At 11:06 a.m. 2/02/2007, you wrote: what other program is that? Josh - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games Jim did tell us once, well me once. Its just an easteregg I think. There is this other program thats not for release, I suppose if you asked for this program he may give it to you. At 10:05 a.m. 2/02/2007, you wrote: hi. do any of you notice when you press the alt key on cassino, sapi just goes mad? or if you press alt+f4 on a game? does anyone know why this happens? jim perhaps? or anyone who may know ... does it do it on the bg games as well? thanks. regards, damien' ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
Jim did tell us once, well me once. Its just an easteregg I think. There is this other program thats not for release, I suppose if you asked for this program he may give it to you. At 10:05 a.m. 2/02/2007, you wrote: hi. do any of you notice when you press the alt key on cassino, sapi just goes mad? or if you press alt+f4 on a game? does anyone know why this happens? jim perhaps? or anyone who may know ... does it do it on the bg games as well? thanks. regards, damien' ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games
It only happens on the casino game as far as I know. I don't know why it happens though. - Original Message - From: damien c. sadler - head of x-sight interactive [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's games hi. do any of you notice when you press the alt key on cassino, sapi just goes mad? or if you press alt+f4 on a game? does anyone know why this happens? jim perhaps? or anyone who may know ... does it do it on the bg games as well? thanks. regards, damien' ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 2007/01/31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 2007/01/31 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
