Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi, For what it is worth that is why I am against banning stuff be it drugs, a game, movies, etc. It seems the minute someone steps in says this is wrong, takes it away from the public, bans it, there are always someone out there who will want to try it just because it is illegal or considered socially taboo. Banning something usually does not work because it fails to eliminate the desire for that product or behavior. It is only when we as a society find a way to help people overcome their desires for certain products that we can eliminate the problems that such products cause. Cheers! On 5/7/15, lenron brown wrote: > yeah and by having them band people will want them more and find ways > to get them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
let them find ways then and allow the law to deal with the surviver's. if people are stupid enough to want drugs that aren't even legal then let them pay the price for their stupidity and be done with it. Sent from my iPad > On 7 May 2015, at 16:22, lenron brown wrote: > > yeah and by having them band people will want them more and find ways > to get them. > >> On 5/7/15, Charles Rivard wrote: >> There are drugs that are most definitely harmful, and they should be banned, >> >> but that's on another topic, not game related. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, >> >> you! really! are! finished! >> - Original Message - >> From: "shaun everiss" >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 10:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, >> some observations, and Suggestions >> >> >>> I agree. >>> Yet there are people banning this and that game because they think its the >>> >>> game. >>> Even if its got warnings on it underagee people may still buy or if not be >>> >>> allowed to buy find the game or whatever at home the law doesn't protect >>> from that. >>> And to be honest I think we are being to correct with our laws. >>> We can't just bann every drug, game etc because we suppose its bad. >>> Yes the thing in question while banned is the easy way out so yeah I see >>> why we as humans do it. >>> Because of that reason. >>> Its always never worked fully. >>> >>> At 03:17 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: >>>> People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real >>>> world to begin with. >>>> >>>> And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with >>>> magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. >>>> What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or >>>> believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories >>>> that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what >>>> >>>> the books are really about. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >>>> finished, you! really! are! finished! >>>> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" >>>> >>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she >>>>> loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently >>>>> there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or >>>>> committed suicide over the game. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We are the Knights who say...Ni! >>>>> -Original Message- From: dark >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM >>>>> To: Gamers Discussion list >>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and >>>>> Suggestions >>>>> >>>>> @Jody, D&D evil? >>>>> >>>>> I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop >>>>> rp >>>>> game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most >>>>> decent >>>>> gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out >>>>> evil >>>>> characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever >>>>> commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to >>>>> create >>>>> the realistic world the game happens in. >>>>> >>>>> I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it >>>>> involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious >>>>> zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a >>>>> religious >>>>> mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the >>>>> Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have d
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Sorry I even brought it us, as, like I said, it is not game related. Hint hint. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "lenron brown" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions yeah and by having them band people will want them more and find ways to get them. On 5/7/15, Charles Rivard wrote: There are drugs that are most definitely harmful, and they should be banned, but that's on another topic, not game related. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I agree. Yet there are people banning this and that game because they think its the game. Even if its got warnings on it underagee people may still buy or if not be allowed to buy find the game or whatever at home the law doesn't protect from that. And to be honest I think we are being to correct with our laws. We can't just bann every drug, game etc because we suppose its bad. Yes the thing in question while banned is the easy way out so yeah I see why we as humans do it. Because of that reason. Its always never worked fully. At 03:17 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real world to begin with. And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what the books are really about. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, D&D evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailm
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
yeah and by having them band people will want them more and find ways to get them. On 5/7/15, Charles Rivard wrote: > There are drugs that are most definitely harmful, and they should be banned, > > but that's on another topic, not game related. > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, > > you! really! are! finished! > - Original Message - > From: "shaun everiss" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, > some observations, and Suggestions > > >>I agree. >> Yet there are people banning this and that game because they think its the >> >> game. >> Even if its got warnings on it underagee people may still buy or if not be >> >> allowed to buy find the game or whatever at home the law doesn't protect >> from that. >> And to be honest I think we are being to correct with our laws. >> We can't just bann every drug, game etc because we suppose its bad. >> Yes the thing in question while banned is the easy way out so yeah I see >> why we as humans do it. >> Because of that reason. >> Its always never worked fully. >> >> At 03:17 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: >>>People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real >>>world to begin with. >>> >>>And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with >>>magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. >>>What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or >>>believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories >>>that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what >>> >>>the books are really about. >>> >>>--- >>>Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >>>finished, you! really! are! finished! >>>- Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" >>> >>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>>Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions >>> >>> >>>>I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she >>>>loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently >>>>there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or >>>>committed suicide over the game. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>We are the Knights who say...Ni! >>>>-Original Message- From: dark >>>>Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM >>>>To: Gamers Discussion list >>>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and >>>> Suggestions >>>> >>>>@Jody, D&D evil? >>>> >>>>I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop >>>>rp >>>>game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most >>>> decent >>>>gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out >>>>evil >>>>characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever >>>>commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to >>>> create >>>>the realistic world the game happens in. >>>> >>>>I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it >>>>involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious >>>>zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a >>>>religious >>>>mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the >>>>Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty >>>>making sense of. >>>> >>>>Beware the grue! >>>> >>>>Dark. >>>> >>>> >>>>--- >>>>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>>>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>>gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the man
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
There are drugs that are most definitely harmful, and they should be banned, but that's on another topic, not game related. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I agree. Yet there are people banning this and that game because they think its the game. Even if its got warnings on it underagee people may still buy or if not be allowed to buy find the game or whatever at home the law doesn't protect from that. And to be honest I think we are being to correct with our laws. We can't just bann every drug, game etc because we suppose its bad. Yes the thing in question while banned is the easy way out so yeah I see why we as humans do it. Because of that reason. Its always never worked fully. At 03:17 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real world to begin with. And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what the books are really about. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, D&D evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be se
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
I agree. Yet there are people banning this and that game because they think its the game. Even if its got warnings on it underagee people may still buy or if not be allowed to buy find the game or whatever at home the law doesn't protect from that. And to be honest I think we are being to correct with our laws. We can't just bann every drug, game etc because we suppose its bad. Yes the thing in question while banned is the easy way out so yeah I see why we as humans do it. Because of that reason. Its always never worked fully. At 03:17 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real world to begin with. And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what the books are really about. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, D&D evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Exactly. It isn't the game but the player that does the stupid stuff. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: Allison Passino Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Agreed! D&D is not evil! it's just a flippin' game, peoples! No more or less bad than any other game, in terms of social impact. On 4/30/15, dark wrote: To be honest Charlse I do think your being harsh, but not because of what you say about games, simply because we have no information about these mythical people who committed suicide over d&D. Suicide is pretty drastic and a person needs to be in a fairly extreme position to contemplate it seriously, and the same arguemenet could be made for murder. If some mythical D&D player did commit suicide or murder, I'd wager there was rather more going on and a rather more complex reason involved than just "because of D&D" That is why I mentioned D&D being a social activity sinse a lot of causes for that sort of action tend to be about people's interactions. I'd suggest myself that if a D&D player did! commit suicide, those who ascribe D&D as a single cause are over simplifying in the extreme, like those people who blaime all society's problems on alcohol, or comunism, or tv, or insert favourite bad influence. Indeed, sinse all of this sounds pretty speculatory anyway I'm not entirely sure myself if this isn't scare mongering anyway. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:17 PM Subject: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike,some observations, and Suggestions People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real world to begin with. And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what the books are really about. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, D&D evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Agreed! D&D is not evil! it's just a flippin' game, peoples! No more or less bad than any other game, in terms of social impact. On 4/30/15, dark wrote: > To be honest Charlse I do think your being harsh, but not because of what > you say about games, simply because we have no information about these > mythical people who committed suicide over d&D. > > Suicide is pretty drastic and a person needs to be in a fairly extreme > position to contemplate it seriously, and the same arguemenet could be made > > for murder. If some mythical D&D player did commit suicide or murder, I'd > wager there was rather more going on and a rather more complex reason > involved than just "because of D&D" > > That is why I mentioned D&D being a social activity sinse a lot of causes > for that sort of action tend to be about people's interactions. > > I'd suggest myself that if a D&D player did! commit suicide, those who > ascribe D&D as a single cause are over simplifying in the extreme, like > those people who blaime all society's problems on alcohol, or comunism, or > tv, or insert favourite bad influence. > > Indeed, sinse all of this sounds pretty speculatory anyway I'm not entirely > > sure myself if this isn't scare mongering anyway. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast > > and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even > the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Rivard" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:17 PM > Subject: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike,some > observations, and Suggestions > > >> People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real >> world to begin with. >> >> And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with >> magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. >> What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or >> believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories >> that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what >> >> the books are really about. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, you! really! are! finished! >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bryan Peterson" >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions >> >> >>>I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she >>>loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently >>>there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or >>>committed suicide over the game. >>> >>> >>> >>> We are the Knights who say...Ni! >>> -Original Message- >>> From: dark >>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM >>> To: Gamers Discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and >>> Suggestions >>> >>> @Jody, D&D evil? >>> >>> I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop >>> rp >>> game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most >>> decent >>> gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out >>> evil >>> characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever >>> commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to >>> create >>> the realistic world the game happens in. >>> >>> I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it >>> involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious >>> zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a >>> religious >>> mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the >>> Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty >>> making sense of. >>> >>> Beware the grue! >>> >>> Dark. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your sub
Re: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
To be honest Charlse I do think your being harsh, but not because of what you say about games, simply because we have no information about these mythical people who committed suicide over d&D. Suicide is pretty drastic and a person needs to be in a fairly extreme position to contemplate it seriously, and the same arguemenet could be made for murder. If some mythical D&D player did commit suicide or murder, I'd wager there was rather more going on and a rather more complex reason involved than just "because of D&D" That is why I mentioned D&D being a social activity sinse a lot of causes for that sort of action tend to be about people's interactions. I'd suggest myself that if a D&D player did! commit suicide, those who ascribe D&D as a single cause are over simplifying in the extreme, like those people who blaime all society's problems on alcohol, or comunism, or tv, or insert favourite bad influence. Indeed, sinse all of this sounds pretty speculatory anyway I'm not entirely sure myself if this isn't scare mongering anyway. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:17 PM Subject: [Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike,some observations, and Suggestions People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real world to begin with. And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what the books are really about. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, D&D evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All mes
[Audyssey] may sound harsh, but ... JMO - Re: psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
People who commit suicide over a game, unfortunately weren't in the real world to begin with. And for those who are against Harry Potter books because they deal with magic, they know nothing about the books, and their minds are closed. What the Bible says is that we should never take part in magic or believing in it. This has nothing to do with reading fictional stories that deal in it. Besides, magic is merely the method of conveyance of what the books are really about. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, D&D evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say D&D is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
