Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Hi Charles, Friends have let me drive since I have been totally blind. Truthfully it was not at all the same without the visual feedback. I would rather play my racing game with it's audio feedback. Sure would like to give that computer driving program with the vibrating feedback a try. Or even the actual car. BFN Jim confucious say: man who run behind car, get exhausted. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
I agree. And whatever mechanical malfunctions may happen, my theory is if you can't get it to work 100%, then don't give it to people. I would personally much rather walk than drive a car that might malfunction and leave me as good as stranded in the middle of a busy road. They can't guarantee 100% perfection 100% of the time, and I think before they can do that, I personally feel it should just become an experiment that went well that needs to be tweeked. At 11:58 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: Block quote start That wasn't the point though. If the vibrating motors malfunction in mid drive how are you going to know when to pull over or whatever? We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Using your theory, there would be no cars on the roads. If it doesn't work 100 percent of the time, don't give it to people to drive. Very unrealistic. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I agree. And whatever mechanical malfunctions may happen, my theory is if you can't get it to work 100%, then don't give it to people. I would personally much rather walk than drive a car that might malfunction and leave me as good as stranded in the middle of a busy road. They can't guarantee 100% perfection 100% of the time, and I think before they can do that, I personally feel it should just become an experiment that went well that needs to be tweeked. At 11:58 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: Block quote start That wasn't the point though. If the vibrating motors malfunction in mid drive how are you going to know when to pull over or whatever? We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
The difference is that on an ordinary car if something malfunctions, unless it's something directly in the engine that literally stops the car from working, a sighted person can easily pull over to the side of the road or whatever to check the problem and, if it's within their capabilities, fix it. But we're talking about the vibrating gloves and seat on this supposed blind car. If those or the supposed laser range technology that's supposed to provide the map of the environment were to malfunction in mid drive then you'd be screwed. You wouldn't know where to go to pull over or whatever so you could safely call a mechanic or whatever. And whether you want to believe it or not, if a blind person ever gets into an accident in one of these cars it's not going to matter to the sighted community at large that the problem could have been anything from a mechanical failure to an encounter with one of the all too many idiot drivers, supposedly sighted ones I might add, that populate the roads these days. Many of them are going to immediately jump to the conclusion that blind people shouldn't be allowed to drive and they're going to do everything in their power to make that happen. And if Greedom Science Fiction can actually manage to win a riddiculous lawsuit like the one they filed against Serotek, then a law banning blind people from driving has a fair chance of passing if the right people are behind it. But since this is an off-topic issue I believe I'll stop here. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Using your theory, there would be no cars on the roads. If it doesn't work 100 percent of the time, don't give it to people to drive. Very unrealistic. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I agree. And whatever mechanical malfunctions may happen, my theory is if you can't get it to work 100%, then don't give it to people. I would personally much rather walk than drive a car that might malfunction and leave me as good as stranded in the middle of a busy road. They can't guarantee 100% perfection 100% of the time, and I think before they can do that, I personally feel it should just become an experiment that went well that needs to be tweeked. At 11:58 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: Block quote start That wasn't the point though. If the vibrating motors malfunction in mid drive how are you going to know when to pull over or whatever? We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
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Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't think so. There just aren't enough of us out there, otherwise ordinary assistive tech would be more reasonably priced. And as I said earlier if during the trial period, and maybe even afterward, a blind driver were to get into a car accident, regardless of whether or not he or she was at fault or whether or not anyone was hurt, that would provide sighted people with what they would consider leverage for introducing and/or passing legislature banning us from driving. And believe me when I say that with the right people backing it just about any law can be passed. We wouldn't have a chance for the price to drop to anything remotely like what we cold reasonably pay for even with financial assistance. I just don't see this as remotely feasible. Using a computer is one thing. That doesn't place others' lives at risk. Driving is another matter entirely. As far as I'm concerned the closest the blind will ever come to driving will be an autonomous vehicle where you just program the address into a computer and it'll take you there. And by the time we ourselves are at that point the rest of the world may very well have gone well beyond that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost
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I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
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And safer, and probably more fun. If you blow it, start over. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well, we'll win the argument if we are persuasive enough. And another thing, I like taking dangerous risks in life which can danger your life. I find doing that amusing. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't think so. There just aren't enough of us out there, otherwise ordinary assistive tech would be more reasonably priced. And as I said earlier if during the trial period, and maybe even afterward, a blind driver were to get into a car accident, regardless of whether or not he or she was at fault or whether or not anyone was hurt, that would provide sighted people with what they would consider leverage for introducing and/or passing legislature banning us from driving. And believe me when I say that with the right people backing it just about any law can be passed. We wouldn't have a chance for the price to drop to anything remotely like what we cold reasonably pay for even with financial assistance. I just don't see this as remotely feasible. Using a computer is one thing. That doesn't place others' lives at risk. Driving is another matter entirely. As far as I'm concerned the closest the blind will ever come to driving will be an autonomous vehicle where you just program the address into a computer and it'll take you there. And by the time we ourselves are at that point the rest of the world may very well have gone well beyond that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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How could you predict that? Ok, it would be shocking, but I wouldn't cry. If I have to smash a car door to save my life, I would. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org
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Computers already control certain aspects of cars as we send these messages. They monitor and adjust to, hopefully, improve and maintain engine maintenance and fuel economy. When the computers go down, performance decreases. If an accident occurs due to faulty readings that cause mechanical changes, is it considered the fault of the driver? Not in a lot of cases. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't think so. There just aren't enough of us out there, otherwise ordinary assistive tech would be more reasonably priced. And as I said earlier if during the trial period, and maybe even afterward, a blind driver were to get into a car accident, regardless of whether or not he or she was at fault or whether or not anyone was hurt, that would provide sighted people with what they would consider leverage for introducing and/or passing legislature banning us from driving. And believe me when I say that with the right people backing it just about any law can be passed. We wouldn't have a chance for the price to drop to anything remotely like what we cold reasonably pay for even with financial assistance. I just don't see this as remotely feasible. Using a computer is one thing. That doesn't place others' lives at risk. Driving is another matter entirely. As far as I'm concerned the closest the blind will ever come to driving will be an autonomous vehicle where you just program the address into a computer and it'll take you there. And by the time we ourselves are at that point the rest of the world may very well have gone well beyond that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers
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I don't know of anyone who wasn't scared during a car accident. You might be able to act to save your life but trust me, you'd still feel afraid. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind How could you predict that? Ok, it would be shocking, but I wouldn't cry. If I have to smash a car door to save my life, I would. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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The thing is, this blindy technology for cars the gloves and the seet will be pretty much outdated in five or so years or ten, because they're coming out with automatic cars anyway. Hel, they say in twenty-thirty years when we order something online driverless vehicles will deliver them to us. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
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In that case, why buy a 3D game when you already have a perfectly good 2D side scroller? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers
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Exactly. Everyone has a different opinion. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
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That's very true. Even if your the bravest man on earth and you battled your enemy in real life and it was a close call and even if you didn't even fear the enemy, you'd still feel a bit afraid. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't know of anyone who wasn't scared during a car accident. You might be able to act to save your life but trust me, you'd still feel afraid. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind How could you predict that? Ok, it would be shocking, but I wouldn't cry. If I have to smash a car door to save my life, I would. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
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Another excellent point. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Orin orin8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind The thing is, this blindy technology for cars the gloves and the seet will be pretty much outdated in five or so years or ten, because they're coming out with automatic cars anyway. Hel, they say in twenty-thirty years when we order something online driverless vehicles will deliver them to us. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
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It's not the same thing at all. I just don't see why public transportation isn't good enough anymore. It's safer and bound to be miles more affordable. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind In that case, why buy a 3D game when you already have a perfectly good 2D side scroller? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers
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I'm just saying let's not get our hopes up. There are a host of reasons why this is neither practical nor feasible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Exactly. Everyone has a different opinion. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman
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They don't have to pass laws to stop us from driving. There are already laws stating that you have to have insurance. Now they already state that the blind are high risk in places of machinery and in certain jobs. That is all they would have to do is label it high risk. High risk insurance for drivers now is like 3 times average and with blind able to drive. Just kick it up more. If you can't afford it you can't drive without it. Its going to be a long time before I see blind drivers. The reason for that is people. They drive over the speed limit, don't signal and travel to close. When they take those elements out of driving. The blind will be able to drive. The cars will have auto guidance and collision defence monitors on all cars. That would insure speed and driving patterns would be observed. See people are not ready and government is not ready to push that type of enforcement on the public. the public would say taking our rights away and not even think about the advantages. At 12:28 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I don't think so. There just aren't enough of us out there, otherwise ordinary assistive tech would be more reasonably priced. And as I said earlier if during the trial period, and maybe even afterward, a blind driver were to get into a car accident, regardless of whether or not he or she was at fault or whether or not anyone was hurt, that would provide sighted people with what they would consider leverage for introducing and/or passing legislature banning us from driving. And believe me when I say that with the right people backing it just about any law can be passed. We wouldn't have a chance for the price to drop to anything remotely like what we cold reasonably pay for even with financial assistance. I just don't see this as remotely feasible. Using a computer is one thing. That doesn't place others' lives at risk. Driving is another matter entirely. As far as I'm concerned the closest the blind will ever come to driving will be an autonomous vehicle where you just program the address into a computer and it'll take you there. And by the time we ourselves are at that point the rest of the world may very well have gone well beyond that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
If you never drove before. You would be when behind the wheel and at full control. I would put money on that one and win! All people when they get behind that wheel are scared. That is why they have simulators to teach on before you even get behind that wheel. Those sims look and feel just like a car. When it turns or stops you feel it. you also see road, trees, street and other cars on road. it don't take much to go wrong in a car. A bad crash can happen in just 1ft and the speed? Well that is only told by speedometer not engine sounds. The cars made today fold up like pop can. So crush one in hand and you will know just how much damage could happen to car in short space and time. But I would love to have just one of those new sims now. At 11:54 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org
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Relieved at surviving, an adrenaline rush due to the battle, exhilaration of victory, and, later, when you think about it, scared about what you went through. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's very true. Even if your the bravest man on earth and you battled your enemy in real life and it was a close call and even if you didn't even fear the enemy, you'd still feel a bit afraid. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't know of anyone who wasn't scared during a car accident. You might be able to act to save your life but trust me, you'd still feel afraid. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind How could you predict that? Ok, it would be shocking, but I wouldn't cry. If I have to smash a car door to save my life, I would. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org
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Yet. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm just saying let's not get our hopes up. There are a host of reasons why this is neither practical nor feasible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Exactly. Everyone has a different opinion. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers
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I knew that they were working on something like this. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Yet. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm just saying let's not get our hopes up. There are a host of reasons why this is neither practical nor feasible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Exactly. Everyone has a different opinion. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Actually, I've drove before with my father. Not actually driving on a road with cars passing around, maybe for 10 seconds. I have the experience. I could remember when I left the steeringwheel and they told me I was going to crash! Lol. I didn't really drive for 10 minutes or to a destenation. Lol loved that one, nearly crashing. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If you never drove before. You would be when behind the wheel and at full control. I would put money on that one and win! All people when they get behind that wheel are scared. That is why they have simulators to teach on before you even get behind that wheel. Those sims look and feel just like a car. When it turns or stops you feel it. you also see road, trees, street and other cars on road. it don't take much to go wrong in a car. A bad crash can happen in just 1ft and the speed? Well that is only told by speedometer not engine sounds. The cars made today fold up like pop can. So crush one in hand and you will know just how much damage could happen to car in short space and time. But I would love to have just one of those new sims now. At 11:54 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Why can't they make a blind friendly car out of steel, silver and really strong metal? In that way, if we crash, we won't have much of an issue. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind It's not the same thing at all. I just don't see why public transportation isn't good enough anymore. It's safer and bound to be miles more affordable. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind In that case, why buy a 3D game when you already have a perfectly good 2D side scroller? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Ever. I'd much rather be realistic than get my hopes up only to be disappointed when it doesn't work out. There are just too many variables for this to be feasible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Yet. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm just saying let's not get our hopes up. There are a host of reasons why this is neither practical nor feasible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Exactly. Everyone has a different opinion. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
That's precisely the point. Driving on a race track is one thing, but I'm not entirely convinced they did use a blind guy or that there were even obstacles. But what happens when they take this thing on the road and someone gets hurt? Mark my words, mountains of legal trouble. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Actually, I've drove before with my father. Not actually driving on a road with cars passing around, maybe for 10 seconds. I have the experience. I could remember when I left the steeringwheel and they told me I was going to crash! Lol. I didn't really drive for 10 minutes or to a destenation. Lol loved that one, nearly crashing. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If you never drove before. You would be when behind the wheel and at full control. I would put money on that one and win! All people when they get behind that wheel are scared. That is why they have simulators to teach on before you even get behind that wheel. Those sims look and feel just like a car. When it turns or stops you feel it. you also see road, trees, street and other cars on road. it don't take much to go wrong in a car. A bad crash can happen in just 1ft and the speed? Well that is only told by speedometer not engine sounds. The cars made today fold up like pop can. So crush one in hand and you will know just how much damage could happen to car in short space and time. But I would love to have just one of those new sims now. At 11:54 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 09:26:59AM -0700, Bryan Peterson wrote: unless it's something directly in the engine that literally stops the car from working, a sighted person can easily pull over to the side of the road [My Reply:] I don't think it's too much of a problem. If in the city, simply stop the car and let traffic go around you with your warning flashers on. Highways may pose a slightly more difficult problem, and laws should warn motorists of blind drivers, who would stay in the right-hand lane, (Or the left-hand in England), slow the car while pulling over to the curb, where the difference between pavement and dirt will be easily evident. Hell, just place a special handicapped placard on the rear of the vehicle and sighted ddrivers will avoid you like the plague. grins Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti Ideas and suggestions copyright (c) 2010, by Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Can you imagine how expensive that would be? This car as it is is already going to be expensive enough as it is and I don't see the price dropping appreciably anytime soon. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Why can't they make a blind friendly car out of steel, silver and really strong metal? In that way, if we crash, we won't have much of an issue. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind It's not the same thing at all. I just don't see why public transportation isn't good enough anymore. It's safer and bound to be miles more affordable. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind In that case, why buy a 3D game when you already have a perfectly good 2D side scroller? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Well I was near the road. I was near my house so there wasn't a problem. And if I did drive on the road, I only did it for a short amount of time. Not like 10 minutes. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's precisely the point. Driving on a race track is one thing, but I'm not entirely convinced they did use a blind guy or that there were even obstacles. But what happens when they take this thing on the road and someone gets hurt? Mark my words, mountains of legal trouble. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Actually, I've drove before with my father. Not actually driving on a road with cars passing around, maybe for 10 seconds. I have the experience. I could remember when I left the steeringwheel and they told me I was going to crash! Lol. I didn't really drive for 10 minutes or to a destenation. Lol loved that one, nearly crashing. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If you never drove before. You would be when behind the wheel and at full control. I would put money on that one and win! All people when they get behind that wheel are scared. That is why they have simulators to teach on before you even get behind that wheel. Those sims look and feel just like a car. When it turns or stops you feel it. you also see road, trees, street and other cars on road. it don't take much to go wrong in a car. A bad crash can happen in just 1ft and the speed? Well that is only told by speedometer not engine sounds. The cars made today fold up like pop can. So crush one in hand and you will know just how much damage could happen to car in short space and time. But I would love to have just one of those new sims now. At 11:54 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
I still think it's too risky. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 09:26:59AM -0700, Bryan Peterson wrote: unless it's something directly in the engine that literally stops the car from working, a sighted person can easily pull over to the side of the road [My Reply:] I don't think it's too much of a problem. If in the city, simply stop the car and let traffic go around you with your warning flashers on. Highways may pose a slightly more difficult problem, and laws should warn motorists of blind drivers, who would stay in the right-hand lane, (Or the left-hand in England), slow the car while pulling over to the curb, where the difference between pavement and dirt will be easily evident. Hell, just place a special handicapped placard on the rear of the vehicle and sighted ddrivers will avoid you like the plague. grins Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti Ideas and suggestions copyright (c) 2010, by Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:30:08AM -0700, Bryan Peterson wrote: You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. [My Reply:] At the time of the wreck, you don't feel a thing. It's one of those blessings you can thank God for. It's surviving the wreck where things get painful, but there are medications for that. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti Ideas and suggestions copyright (c) 2010, by Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Do you mean you don't feel the crash, but when your in hospital, you feel the pain? - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:30:08AM -0700, Bryan Peterson wrote: You say that now but trust me, when it actually comes down to that you'll feel different. [My Reply:] At the time of the wreck, you don't feel a thing. It's one of those blessings you can thank God for. It's surviving the wreck where things get painful, but there are medications for that. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti Ideas and suggestions copyright (c) 2010, by Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:47:06AM -0700, Bryan Peterson wrote: Can you imagine how expensive that would be? [My Reply:] Some satelite-grade electronics can be mass produced by the shipload pretty cheaply, if it works as designed, and could be installed in every new car that rolls out of Detroit. What worries me is the insurance costs on a handicapped pension. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
hmmm in theory that would be good. Ofcause cost again. Then the fact you don't get dammaged doesn't mean that a large strong shiny object going at speed smashing into a flimsy standard normal cow, cutting down the mum, dad, and the kids in the back, going through 30 more cars and then a truck off a bridge, etc, Well smashed, probably if not what can the driver say to the judge when he goes for mass murder. THe system crashed! Don't get me killed! the computer exploded! It wouldn't work. No way would it work. There are opperational limits. Even with the fast systems existing here when it got to hot during the day here they run hot the new one lost its primary power controler last months and it was new! At 07:34 a.m. 1/02/2011, you wrote: Why can't they make a blind friendly car out of steel, silver and really strong metal? In that way, if we crash, we won't have much of an issue. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind It's not the same thing at all. I just don't see why public transportation isn't good enough anymore. It's safer and bound to be miles more affordable. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind In that case, why buy a 3D game when you already have a perfectly good 2D side scroller? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
well there is a difference from driving on a straight track and a track with turns. In old topspeed I made a track where I ran for about hmmm not sure maybe 5 ks of track straight to test the time speeds of cars to compair custom systems. Some of those cars are hard to handle on even an easy track at speed. At 07:31 a.m. 1/02/2011, you wrote: Actually, I've drove before with my father. Not actually driving on a road with cars passing around, maybe for 10 seconds. I have the experience. I could remember when I left the steeringwheel and they told me I was going to crash! Lol. I didn't really drive for 10 minutes or to a destenation. Lol loved that one, nearly crashing. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If you never drove before. You would be when behind the wheel and at full control. I would put money on that one and win! All people when they get behind that wheel are scared. That is why they have simulators to teach on before you even get behind that wheel. Those sims look and feel just like a car. When it turns or stops you feel it. you also see road, trees, street and other cars on road. it don't take much to go wrong in a car. A bad crash can happen in just 1ft and the speed? Well that is only told by speedometer not engine sounds. The cars made today fold up like pop can. So crush one in hand and you will know just how much damage could happen to car in short space and time. But I would love to have just one of those new sims now. At 11:54 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Too much to be worthwhile as far as I can see. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:47:06AM -0700, Bryan Peterson wrote: Can you imagine how expensive that would be? [My Reply:] Some satelite-grade electronics can be mass produced by the shipload pretty cheaply, if it works as designed, and could be installed in every new car that rolls out of Detroit. What worries me is the insurance costs on a handicapped pension. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
hmmm I like doing that to within reason. Could I drive a car. I have been in cars, I probably could in theory, its easy enough but would I? probably not though I have dreamed of doing that loads of time. At 06:37 a.m. 1/02/2011, you wrote: Well, we'll win the argument if we are persuasive enough. And another thing, I like taking dangerous risks in life which can danger your life. I find doing that amusing. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't think so. There just aren't enough of us out there, otherwise ordinary assistive tech would be more reasonably priced. And as I said earlier if during the trial period, and maybe even afterward, a blind driver were to get into a car accident, regardless of whether or not he or she was at fault or whether or not anyone was hurt, that would provide sighted people with what they would consider leverage for introducing and/or passing legislature banning us from driving. And believe me when I say that with the right people backing it just about any law can be passed. We wouldn't have a chance for the price to drop to anything remotely like what we cold reasonably pay for even with financial assistance. I just don't see this as remotely feasible. Using a computer is one thing. That doesn't place others' lives at risk. Driving is another matter entirely. As far as I'm concerned the closest the blind will ever come to driving will be an autonomous vehicle where you just program the address into a computer and it'll take you there. And by the time we ourselves are at that point the rest of the world may very well have gone well beyond that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we
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same here. Could we fly a fighter? THat is probably slightly easier. no roads, quite a large space. We have loads of road. It would still be hard though. Though autopilots etc would help. Issue would be we would have to rely on audio cues, but flying is probably slighter better chances than driving. I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 07:01:40PM -, Shiny protector wrote: Do you mean you don't feel the crash, but when your in hospital, you feel the pain? [My Reply:] No, my mother got rear-ended, had her car totalled, and broke her ankle. She said she didn't feel or know a thing until she awoke in the hospital, even knowing she was going to be hit. I've had much the same experience with insulin shock. Once my glucose levels drop below 60, I don't know or feel a thing, even while appearing conscious and somewhat responsive. It's pretty cool, and makes me fear a whole lot less about death. It's only a little scary thinking I'm about to croak. I've been hit by a motorhome while on a bicycle, where the side mirror clipped me in the back of the head and shoulder. I didn't know a thing until I got up cussing some ten seconds later. I didn't even realize I had been unconscious those ten seconds. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 *#* Powered By: Intel *#* http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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really? If thats the case then you are probably just a kid or something. Back when I was 12 I was like that. have you been in a crash? Do you know what its like to end up in a crash? Have you ever cared about what happens in your little mind when you have a crash? Have you watched any tv or any crash programs? ok, small flame asside. Its! not! cool! to! crash. I have been in a crash! Nothing smashed but we slipped over some oil in the road and smashed into another side spinning round and round. it happened so fast, less than a seccond. You have no time to be scared. You have no time to be shocked. You don't even have time to register what happened before or fater. When it happens, thats it. I have watched crash programs. On tv you have the explanations you see the drunk at the wheel you see the family in the other car. Its all explained to you in black and white. you have the details. But on the recieving end you don't at least not immediately when it counts. Even if you can see you don't. You crash. You die! Or you end up in worse condition. If you are lucky you walk, and then there is time to be scared. Seriously if this your attatude you can get the heck off the list. I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
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so do I. but not like that I would ever anyway. Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hmph. no tech like that would even go down jaws hasn't dropped in price. maybe if its standard tech it will. then it will be outdated. I'd get it. I will not have to use the Cain, ha ha. But anyways, at first it will be priced high, but it would gradually descend. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
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Oh for farks sake! Nothing is 100 percent pefect. security isn't, the net isn't we are not! computers are not!. the world is not! I agree. And whatever mechanical malfunctions may happen, my theory is if you can't get it to work 100%, then don't give it to people. I would personally much rather walk than drive a car that might malfunction and leave me as good as stranded in the middle of a busy road. They can't guarantee 100% perfection 100% of the time, and I think before they can do that, I personally feel it should just become an experiment that went well that needs to be tweeked. At 11:58 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: Block quote start That wasn't the point though. If the vibrating motors malfunction in mid drive how are you going to know when to pull over or whatever? We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
For the same reason they don't make any cars to last anymore. They build cheap, sell high, and make money. All they build anymore are motorized beer cans. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Why can't they make a blind friendly car out of steel, silver and really strong metal? In that way, if we crash, we won't have much of an issue. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind It's not the same thing at all. I just don't see why public transportation isn't good enough anymore. It's safer and bound to be miles more affordable. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind In that case, why buy a 3D game when you already have a perfectly good 2D side scroller? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's the point. You're not me. I just think these overly optimistic people are going to be in for a rude awakening. What's wrong with using cheaper, safer alternatives that have been available for years to get where we need to go? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well I would if I were you. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I don't even think we should be messing around with driving, much less flying something as powerful as a fighter jet. I'll stick to driving in video games. It's cheaper. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Well, sounds interesting. I want to get my fists on that gloves and more! Maybe a good one would be for fighter jets and bombers. - Original Message - From: Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Based on all of the articles, why would you believe that a sighted driver was behind the wheel? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind That's precisely the point. Driving on a race track is one thing, but I'm not entirely convinced they did use a blind guy or that there were even obstacles. But what happens when they take this thing on the road and someone gets hurt? Mark my words, mountains of legal trouble. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Actually, I've drove before with my father. Not actually driving on a road with cars passing around, maybe for 10 seconds. I have the experience. I could remember when I left the steeringwheel and they told me I was going to crash! Lol. I didn't really drive for 10 minutes or to a destenation. Lol loved that one, nearly crashing. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If you never drove before. You would be when behind the wheel and at full control. I would put money on that one and win! All people when they get behind that wheel are scared. That is why they have simulators to teach on before you even get behind that wheel. Those sims look and feel just like a car. When it turns or stops you feel it. you also see road, trees, street and other cars on road. it don't take much to go wrong in a car. A bad crash can happen in just 1ft and the speed? Well that is only told by speedometer not engine sounds. The cars made today fold up like pop can. So crush one in hand and you will know just how much damage could happen to car in short space and time. But I would love to have just one of those new sims now. At 11:54 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote: I wouldn't even be scared if I have a crash. Lol. - Original Message - From: Arianna Sepulveda englishride...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Oh, God, that's all we need, blind drivers! Lol holy crap, I'd be way to scared to even think of doing this! I'd love to drive, probably just like a lot of other blind people, but I'm very doubtful it'll ever happen. Think of all the things that could go wrong. As another member of this list pointed out, what if the vibrating gloves and seat malfunction? And if some duche pulls out in front of you? Would you have enough time to react? Would you have enough warning to pull off the road? And what if you did get into an accident? Who would be fixing the car? Certainly a macanic could do the repares on the car, but what about the most-likely prohibitive cost of reparing the meckanisms providing feedback to the blind driver? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to the bus and walking. Oh, and my boyfriend can do all the driving. We do have a car. Thank God, because groceries are heavy, and we often buy more than can fit in a small personal wheeled cart. On 1/30/11, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? At 09:09 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
I'm sure it is. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? At 09:09 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] driving blind
Not feasible yet. And yet is the key word. If we can drive as safely as a sighted driver who pays more attention to the text message he is typing on his cell phone than to his driving, I'd say let's go for it. As to the cost of the vehicles, which costed more when first introduced: The computer on your desktop or lap?, or Univac. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers
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Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks so. lol. At 09:20 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: I'm sure it is. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? At 09:09 AM 30/01/2011, you wrote: I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available for general use in just five years. Federation officials said they couldn't estimate how much the technology would cost. Riccobono said other challenges remain, especially convincing sighted drivers that it would be safe to share the road with blind drivers. 0Share31Email5 Copyright C 2011 The Daytona Beach News-Journal Sherri Brun, NFBF Secretary and NewslineR Coordinator Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter E-mail: flmom2...@gmail.com www.nfbnewsline.org http://www.nfbflorida.org http://nfbfgoc.org --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
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The car is probably still more expensive than even the most expensive computer, at least those available to the general public. Call me a pecimist but I'm still not convinced that they've actually done all their homework. THere are just too many variables involved in driving. And what happens if the vibrating motors in either the gloves or the seat malfunctions or goes out in the middle of a drive? Seems to me if that happens then you have a problem. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Not feasible yet. And yet is the key word. If we can drive as safely as a sighted driver who pays more attention to the text message he is typing on his cell phone than to his driving, I'd say let's go for it. As to the cost of the vehicles, which costed more when first introduced: The computer on your desktop or lap?, or Univac. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted people will be able to do with this technology someday, she said. Sabrina Deaton, president of the Daytona Beach chapter of the federation, lost her ability to drive almost 11 years ago, a victim of macular degeneration. Driving was one of the most difficult things to give up, she said. It was giving up my independence. The ability to drive opens up opportunities for education and employment, she said. And, just to be able to hop into the car and take a Sunday drive. If the research pace continues, Riccobono said the technology could be available
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If that happens, an accident should be chalked up to a mechanical malfunction rather than the fault of the driver. As for expense, my point was that the first computers cost far more than those of today. It happens all the time as technology progresses. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind The car is probably still more expensive than even the most expensive computer, at least those available to the general public. Call me a pecimist but I'm still not convinced that they've actually done all their homework. THere are just too many variables involved in driving. And what happens if the vibrating motors in either the gloves or the seat malfunctions or goes out in the middle of a drive? Seems to me if that happens then you have a problem. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Not feasible yet. And yet is the key word. If we can drive as safely as a sighted driver who pays more attention to the text message he is typing on his cell phone than to his driving, I'd say let's go for it. As to the cost of the vehicles, which costed more when first introduced: The computer on your desktop or lap?, or Univac. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation member listening to the play-by-play over the infield speakers. I told my fellow parishioners at home that I'd be back to pick them up, Phifer joked. For college student Mika Baugh of Indiana, it was pretty neat. Owning and driving her own car would mean she wouldn't have to wait for the bus in the freezing cold. You can't even imagine what blind and sighted
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Hi, What you say about computers is certainly true. I once read that one reason that Compilers/assemblers were not encouraged in the early days ofcomputing was because a programmer was much cheeper by the hour than a computer. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If that happens, an accident should be chalked up to a mechanical malfunction rather than the fault of the driver. As for expense, my point was that the first computers cost far more than those of today. It happens all the time as technology progresses. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind The car is probably still more expensive than even the most expensive computer, at least those available to the general public. Call me a pecimist but I'm still not convinced that they've actually done all their homework. THere are just too many variables involved in driving. And what happens if the vibrating motors in either the gloves or the seat malfunctions or goes out in the middle of a drive? Seems to me if that happens then you have a problem. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Not feasible yet. And yet is the key word. If we can drive as safely as a sighted driver who pays more attention to the text message he is typing on his cell phone than to his driving, I'd say let's go for it. As to the cost of the vehicles, which costed more when first introduced: The computer on your desktop or lap?, or Univac. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get
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That wasn't the point though. If the vibrating motors malfunction in mid drive how are you going to know when to pull over or whatever? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind If that happens, an accident should be chalked up to a mechanical malfunction rather than the fault of the driver. As for expense, my point was that the first computers cost far more than those of today. It happens all the time as technology progresses. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind The car is probably still more expensive than even the most expensive computer, at least those available to the general public. Call me a pecimist but I'm still not convinced that they've actually done all their homework. THere are just too many variables involved in driving. And what happens if the vibrating motors in either the gloves or the seat malfunctions or goes out in the middle of a drive? Seems to me if that happens then you have a problem. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Not feasible yet. And yet is the key word. If we can drive as safely as a sighted driver who pays more attention to the text message he is typing on his cell phone than to his driving, I'd say let's go for it. As to the cost of the vehicles, which costed more when first introduced: The computer on your desktop or lap?, or Univac. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind I'm not even convinced it'd be safe to share the road with blind drivers and I've been blind my whole life. Heck, a disturbing number of suppoedly sighted drivers may as well be blind. So I'm not convinced this is feasible from a safety standpoint. And I don't even want to speculate how much one of these cars would cost. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] driving blind Here's an article from the Daytona Beach News journal! Technology helps blind driver lead lap - Racing a.. Sunday, January 30, 2011 No driver racing in the Rolex 24 At Daytona could have elicited louder screams from one group of fans than Mark Riccobono. Unknown to thousands of race fans pouring into the Speedway on Saturday morning, Riccobono became a hero to 400 members of the National Federation of the Blind. They were there from all over the country for one reason only -- to witness Riccobono become the first blind driver to take the wheel in a solo trip on the track. Several federation members compared his demonstration to the first United States space flight in 1961. He's our Alan Shepard, said GaryWunder, editor of the Braille Monitor, the federation magazine. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. For the blind, driving a car represents freedom and independence, things other drivers often take for granted. The federation challenged the nation's universities to take the challenge of developing non-visual technology that would allow a blind person to drive independently. One team accepted, a group of students at Virginia Tech, working under the direction of Dennis Hong, director of the Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory. The equipment was placed in a Ford Escape Hybrid. Riccobono directs technology, research and education for the Federation's Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. To get behind the wheel, he put on gloves that send vibrating signals along his fingers to tell him when to turn and sat on a cushion that vibrated along his legs to tell him when to brake or accelerate. He drove the inside horseshoe on the track and in a tactical demonstration, dodged several boxes thrown in front of his vehicle and passed a van. The long-term implications of the technology were simply mind-boggling for many cheering in the bleachers. This means a lot more to us than just the driving, Wunder said. If we can get all the information that's necessary to drive, what other things will we be able to do? It's incredible, said Randy Phifer, of Overland Park, Kansas, a federation
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I would also, love to know how I can get a hold of that simulator program and gloves as well. Now I wonder if we could adapt it for we blind pilot love to be and for flying the space shuttle as well? Ron who if were sighted now know's that his career would have been in the air and hopefully as a CDR and or PLT for the space shuttle as well. Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com -- From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Hi Clement, I introduced the first article with the statement that the NFB created a car racing simulator game that they demonstrated at their July 2010 national convention. It used one-of-a-kind controller vibrating gloves. Now how can we get our hands on that computer program? And the gloves? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] driving blind Agreed. A race track is a race track, the road is a completely different story... but isn't this a bit off-topic? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
