Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-23 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Nicole,

That's cool.  I know that different people like different types of games.  The 
games that I have are;

Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, 
coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, 
Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, 
Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J 
Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee

Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course 
maker, monopoly board maker

BFN

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Makes sense. I tried your games, and they didn't work for me. Probaby 
because they are text-to-speech. I like more imersive games.



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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-22 Thread dark
There's not even a need to code a shopping cart come to that, sinse various 
online survices like regnow and lulu do this for you and several deveopers 
have used them.


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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:43 AM
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Hi Dark,

Agreed. Caring for his daughter is an understandable reason but not an
excuse for not answering e-mails, switching to downloads instead of
cds, etc. He doesn't even have to add a license key to his games,
because if he writes a good shopping cart in something like php he can
store the setup files somewhere secure on his server, and when payment
is complete the script will send the user a temporary link that will
expire after a couple of days. This would automate both payment and
delivery leaving him free to care for his daughter if that is the
case. At the very least he could have informed the community, his
customers, of the situation instead of remaining silent for the last
eight years.



On 1/21/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
That is understandable sky, but I would've thought Jeff could at least 
tell

us that if it is the case.

Also, if his daughters' condition has progressed to the point where he 
can
no longer maintain the company, why not do as Dan Z did and make his 
games

abandonware?

Finally, it really! wouldn't be so hard for him to setup downloads for 
the

games, rather than this cd ordering business,  also far less work for
him sinse he'd no longer have to actively send out copies of the games.

While caring for his Daughter might be a reason, it's not an excuse.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread dark
That being so, however bsc, lworks, draconis etc do stil at least support 
and sell their old titles even if they cannot develope more. This is where 
Bavisoft have fallen down severely.


Beware the grue!

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To: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft



Hi Nicole,

What has happened to many blind game companies such as PCS games, BSC 
games, L-works etc is that the programmer ended up getting a job doing 
business programming for some main stream company, and thus doesn't have 
the time to do the creating blind games thing.  I am pretty darn sure 
that, that is what has happened to bavisoft.


BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread dark
That is understandable sky, but I would've thought Jeff could at least tell 
us that if it is the case.


Also, if his daughters' condition has progressed to the point where he can 
no longer maintain the company, why not do as Dan Z did and make his games 
abandonware?


Finally, it really! wouldn't be so hard for him to setup downloads for the 
games, rather than this cd ordering business,  also far less work for 
him sinse he'd no longer have to actively send out copies of the games.


While caring for his Daughter might be a reason, it's not an excuse.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:50 AM
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Hi Thomas and all. I can tell you that Jeff, the game developer at 
Bavisoft has a daughter, that needs a lot of care. so he is very busy 
taking care of his daughter. I read a message from the gamers list from 
tom who was beta testing chillingham. It was a beta tester for the games 
that told us and I got the message


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Hi Charles,

That's pretty much my feelings in a nutshell as well. It would be
different if they sent out a news letter saying what was happening
with their future titles, or if they gave us a message that they can
not continue for reason x. However, remaining silent, not answering
their e-mails, not providing answers to support questions, and so on
doesn't leave us to think much about their customer service.

On 1/20/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

This is strictly a personal opinion.  Given the number of games that
Bavisoft has produced over the years, and taking into consideration how 
well
informed we have been kept concerning their current production, I think 
we
should show them the same consideration and support that they have shown 
us.

 Forget them until they have something to show.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread michael barnes

Here is the thing that Bavisoft forgot,  the customer is always right.
That is how it is done at any kind of business.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread michael barnes

Well Jim.
That may be true but that don't give them any reason for taking people 
money and don't give them any software.
That is why I think that someone should find out who is the webmaster 
and tell that person what they have been doing.  Then when the person 
takes their site down the games can then be free.
If Bavisoft don't want people to pass out their games to other people 
who wants to check them out then they need to get on the ball with the program.
I know that people have to work to live but they should do two things, 
one find someone to run the company or two close their company down, or 
three just have a download link on the site so when people order the 
games they could get a automatic key for the games through email like 
PCS and other companies do.


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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread Charles Rivard

I used to work in the credit card industry, and this is not always the case.

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Here is the thing that Bavisoft forgot,  the customer is always right.
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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread Trouble

One of the top ten laws of business, and in a lot of states law.
All states have laws for selling and there are also federal laws that 
have to be considered too.
Just like in Ohio. Lots of stores have a no refund, but give 
exchange. Here in Ohio it states that you are aloud a total refund 
within 30 days of purchase. i have had many live up to that law 
including Walmart!
Now when your dealing with other states. You go buy there state law 
and federal law.

At 08:25 AM 1/21/2012, you wrote:

Here is the thing that Bavisoft forgot,  the customer is always right.
That is how it is done at any kind of business.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,

Agreed. Caring for his daughter is an understandable reason but not an
excuse for not answering e-mails, switching to downloads instead of
cds, etc. He doesn't even have to add a license key to his games,
because if he writes a good shopping cart in something like php he can
store the setup files somewhere secure on his server, and when payment
is complete the script will send the user a temporary link that will
expire after a couple of days. This would automate both payment and
delivery leaving him free to care for his daughter if that is the
case. At the very least he could have informed the community, his
customers, of the situation instead of remaining silent for the last
eight years.



On 1/21/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
 That is understandable sky, but I would've thought Jeff could at least tell
 us that if it is the case.

 Also, if his daughters' condition has progressed to the point where he can
 no longer maintain the company, why not do as Dan Z did and make his games
 abandonware?

 Finally, it really! wouldn't be so hard for him to setup downloads for the
 games, rather than this cd ordering business,  also far less work for
 him sinse he'd no longer have to actively send out copies of the games.

 While caring for his Daughter might be a reason, it's not an excuse.

 Beware the grue!

 Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-21 Thread Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews

I agrr totally.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft



Hi Dark,

Agreed. Caring for his daughter is an understandable reason but not an
excuse for not answering e-mails, switching to downloads instead of
cds, etc. He doesn't even have to add a license key to his games,
because if he writes a good shopping cart in something like php he can
store the setup files somewhere secure on his server, and when payment
is complete the script will send the user a temporary link that will
expire after a couple of days. This would automate both payment and
delivery leaving him free to care for his daughter if that is the
case. At the very least he could have informed the community, his
customers, of the situation instead of remaining silent for the last
eight years.



On 1/21/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
That is understandable sky, but I would've thought Jeff could at least 
tell

us that if it is the case.

Also, if his daughters' condition has progressed to the point where he 
can
no longer maintain the company, why not do as Dan Z did and make his 
games

abandonware?

Finally, it really! wouldn't be so hard for him to setup downloads for 
the

games, rather than this cd ordering business,  also far less work for
him sinse he'd no longer have to actively send out copies of the games.

While caring for his Daughter might be a reason, it's not an excuse.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
I say keeping checking the site to see when they have something to show, and 
try to track them down. Who knows what problems they've had.



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Subject: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft


This is strictly a personal opinion.  Given the number of games that 
Bavisoft has produced over the years, and taking into consideration how 
well informed we have been kept concerning their current production, I 
think we should show them the same consideration and support that they 
have shown us.  Forget them until they have something to show.


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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread BRYAN PETERSON
People have tried that for years.

On 1/20/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews goldyemo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I say keeping checking the site to see when they have something to show, and

 try to track them down. Who knows what problems they've had.


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 This is strictly a personal opinion.  Given the number of games that
 Bavisoft has produced over the years, and taking into consideration how
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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles,

That's pretty much my feelings in a nutshell as well. It would be
different if they sent out a news letter saying what was happening
with their future titles, or if they gave us a message that they can
not continue for reason x. However, remaining silent, not answering
their e-mails, not providing answers to support questions, and so on
doesn't leave us to think much about their customer service.

On 1/20/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 This is strictly a personal opinion.  Given the number of games that
 Bavisoft has produced over the years, and taking into consideration how well
 informed we have been kept concerning their current production, I think we
 should show them the same consideration and support that they have shown us.
  Forget them until they have something to show.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Lisa Hayes

customer service, what service?
Lisa Hayes




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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft



Hi Charles,

That's pretty much my feelings in a nutshell as well. It would be
different if they sent out a news letter saying what was happening
with their future titles, or if they gave us a message that they can
not continue for reason x. However, remaining silent, not answering
their e-mails, not providing answers to support questions, and so on
doesn't leave us to think much about their customer service.

On 1/20/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

This is strictly a personal opinion.  Given the number of games that
Bavisoft has produced over the years, and taking into consideration how 
well
informed we have been kept concerning their current production, I think 
we
should show them the same consideration and support that they have shown 
us.

 Forget them until they have something to show.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Lol! So true. :D

Cheers!


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 customer service, what service?
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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Nicole,

What has happened to many blind game companies such as PCS games, BSC games, 
L-works etc is that the programmer ended up getting a job doing business 
programming for some main stream company, and thus doesn't have the time to do 
the creating blind games thing.  I am pretty darn sure that, that is what has 
happened to bavisoft.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Charles Rivard
If that were the case, then we should be made aware of it in order to keep 
their reputation and their customer's loyalty in case they begin producing 
games down the road.  By not letting anyone know, they've shot both feet off 
when their race had just begun, and now, they're not even in the running.


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To: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews Gamers@audyssey.org
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft



Hi Nicole,

What has happened to many blind game companies such as PCS games, BSC 
games, L-works etc is that the programmer ended up getting a job doing 
business programming for some main stream company, and thus doesn't have 
the time to do the creating blind games thing.  I am pretty darn sure 
that, that is what has happened to bavisoft.


BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

That's always very possible. However, if that is the case all the
Bavisoft developer/developers would have to do is send a message to
the forum or Audyssey List saying we've now got a full time job and
don't have the time to continue audio game development. That would be
the end of the mystery and we'd know exactly where they stand.

Justin from BSC Games sent a message to the BSC Games list and
Audyssey stating he was now working 50 hours a week with a full time
programming job and everyone understood. Dan sent a message to
Audyssey stating that he was hired by a college to be a programmer and
that he no longer had the time to put into DanZ Games. Liam let all of
his customers know about his employment status as well. As long as
someone lets the community know people are willing to understand. its
the people like Bavisoft who go years without so much as a hello or
goodbye that gets people upset.

On 1/20/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi Nicole,

 What has happened to many blind game companies such as PCS games, BSC games,
 L-works etc is that the programmer ended up getting a job doing business
 programming for some main stream company, and thus doesn't have the time to
 do the creating blind games thing.  I am pretty darn sure that, that is what
 has happened to bavisoft.

 BFN

  Jim

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 give you double your money back.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Charles,

Yes, PCS Games, BSC games and L-works have let us know what is going on and at 
least kept up with tech support and communicating with gamers.  And of course 
Phil has taken up game programming and great web design.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Sky Mundell
Hi Thomas and all. I can tell you that Jeff, the game developer at Bavisoft 
has a daughter, that needs a lot of care. so he is very busy taking care of 
his daughter. I read a message from the gamers list from tom who was beta 
testing chillingham. It was a beta tester for the games that told us and I 
got the message


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From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:17 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

Hi Charles,

That's pretty much my feelings in a nutshell as well. It would be
different if they sent out a news letter saying what was happening
with their future titles, or if they gave us a message that they can
not continue for reason x. However, remaining silent, not answering
their e-mails, not providing answers to support questions, and so on
doesn't leave us to think much about their customer service.

On 1/20/12, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

This is strictly a personal opinion.  Given the number of games that
Bavisoft has produced over the years, and taking into consideration how 
well

informed we have been kept concerning their current production, I think we
should show them the same consideration and support that they have shown 
us.

 Forget them until they have something to show.

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,

That would make sense, but why not tell the community. Why stall, not
answer e-mails, and basically leave everyone in the dark?

On 1/20/12, Sky Mundell s...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi Thomas and all. I can tell you that Jeff, the game developer at Bavisoft
 has a daughter, that needs a lot of care. so he is very busy taking care of
 his daughter. I read a message from the gamers list from tom who was beta
 testing chillingham. It was a beta tester for the games that told us and I
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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
Makes sense. I tried your games, and they didn't work for me. Probaby 
because they are text-to-speech. I like more imersive games.



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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft



Hi Nicole,

What has happened to many blind game companies such as PCS games, BSC 
games, L-works etc is that the programmer ended up getting a job doing 
business programming for some main stream company, and thus doesn't have 
the time to do the creating blind games thing.  I am pretty darn sure 
that, that is what has happened to bavisoft.


BFN

Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] personal opinion of bavisoft

2012-01-20 Thread Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews

I totally agree.


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Hi Jim,

That's always very possible. However, if that is the case all the
Bavisoft developer/developers would have to do is send a message to
the forum or Audyssey List saying we've now got a full time job and
don't have the time to continue audio game development. That would be
the end of the mystery and we'd know exactly where they stand.

Justin from BSC Games sent a message to the BSC Games list and
Audyssey stating he was now working 50 hours a week with a full time
programming job and everyone understood. Dan sent a message to
Audyssey stating that he was hired by a college to be a programmer and
that he no longer had the time to put into DanZ Games. Liam let all of
his customers know about his employment status as well. As long as
someone lets the community know people are willing to understand. its
the people like Bavisoft who go years without so much as a hello or
goodbye that gets people upset.

On 1/20/12, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:

Hi Nicole,

What has happened to many blind game companies such as PCS games, BSC 
games,

L-works etc is that the programmer ended up getting a job doing business
programming for some main stream company, and thus doesn't have the time 
to
do the creating blind games thing.  I am pretty darn sure that, that is 
what

has happened to bavisoft.

BFN

 Jim

I personally guarantee that you will love my Kitchensinc games, or I will
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