[Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler
An article was brought to my attention about an interior designer, Kelly Wearstler, who is also a fashion designer. The interesting twist - she was Playboy of the Month in September 1994. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Wearstler One user is arguing that she's more famous as a one time Playboy centerfold (which she did under a pseudonym to pay her student loans), and not so much as a designer. I argue that (hell, just compare the Google statistics - over 200,000 for Kelly Wearstler designer and about 27,500 for Kelly Wearstler Playboy. I know who she is, and it isn't because she is a Playboy model (and I'm not an uninformed person, I've read my fair share of Playboys). Anyway, they want to have a special centerfold infobox (or something of that sort) that tell her breast size, etc. Another user is arguing it goes against [[WP:Undue]] not balancing the article correctly. I agree. No point in having a fashion designer and interior designers one time Playboy bunny moment overweigh the fact that she's got best selling books, has been a judge on a reality show on Bravo called Top Design and she sells her designs at Bergdorf Goodman. Check out the talk page, it's short, but interesting. -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: An article was brought to my attention about an interior designer, Kelly Wearstler, who is also a fashion designer. The interesting twist - she was Playboy of the Month in September 1994. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Wearstler One user is arguing that she's more famous as a one time Playboy centerfold (which she did under a pseudonym to pay her student loans), and not so much as a designer. I argue that (hell, just compare the Google statistics - over 200,000 for Kelly Wearstler designer and about 27,500 for Kelly Wearstler Playboy. I know who she is, and it isn't because she is a Playboy model (and I'm not an uninformed person, I've read my fair share of Playboys). Anyway, they want to have a special centerfold infobox (or something of that sort) that tell her breast size, etc. Another user is arguing it goes against [[WP:Undue]] not balancing the article correctly. I agree. No point in having a fashion designer and interior designers one time Playboy bunny moment overweigh the fact that she's got best selling books, has been a judge on a reality show on Bravo called Top Design and she sells her designs at Bergdorf Goodman. Check out the talk page, it's short, but interesting. -Sarah Biographies of women who were Playboy centerfolds is one example where the community changed the way that they are routinely handled. This change took place after numerous discussions in various places such as the notability guideline page, Biography of living people noticeboard, talk pages of article, and at Afd. These discussions would make a good case study of how that systemic bias in the community can be overcome by using the existing Wikipedia channels for discussion. At one point in time the community was making an article for every Playboy centerfold with an large infobox template that included their measurements at the time of the centerfold layout. After loads of discussion it was decided that every centerfold model should not automatically have an article, and every women who was a centerfold and has an article should not necessarily have an Playmate infobox. Recently, several existing articles were discussed at the BLP noticeboard and the content of the articles were blanked, and a redirect was made to the article that discussed the issue of the magazine where they were featured. See the discussion about Tanya Beyer for an example of why this is needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive131#Tanya_Beyer I've seen a discussion about Kelly Wearstler somewhere fairly recently but can't remember where. I see that Scott McDonald fixed the article. Scott McDonald rewrites BLP articles to make them adhere to NPOV especially when undue weight is an issue. So he is a good person to ask for help with difficult case if he is active. Sydney Poore User:FloNight ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women
Update, and a request: The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. Summary: * Many people agree that there is an important concern about readers who find personal/traumatic content about themselves, and have reservations about contacting an unknown email support team. * Philosophical questions have been raised about addressing this with a women-only support team * There are also practical concerns about how that could be implemented So, in consultation with several of the people on this list, I've made an alternative proposal, which would not shake the foundations of the OTRS team. Basically, that we should improve our public descriptions of Wikimedia customer service, and encourage people to *ask* for what they want -- whether it's a woman to work with them privately, or any other kind of special request. Along with a brief observation that such a request might delay action a bit due to limited volunteer resources. Please take a look at what I've written up here, and share your thoughts: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Peteforsyth/Customer_service -Pete On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:45 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like we have strong consensus that a separate customer support queue, run by and for women, would be a good idea. I certainly think so! Who here is active on OTRS? I'm on it, and on the email list, but I'm not active there. It might be best for somebody float the idea over there, see how it's received, and if there's agreement, figure out the steps to get it up and running. (I'm sure that having a small corps of female volunteers willing to staff it will be an essential element!) I'm not very active, .. :/ I've initiated a discussion thread on the private otrs wiki, copying your email text and linking to this thread. http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/Café#queue_for_verified_females -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women
I think we need to be clearer about who is the audience here. It seems to be directed at the customer, rather than at Wikimedians, but then some of the text is unnecessarily detailed and distracting. We have to assume that most people are not actually reading pages like this for comprehension, but just scanning it for what is relevant to them, or even just scanning through it to get to the contact address they are looking for. I think we want direct, simple sentences in the active voice, and maybe a few boldings or a bulleted to break up the text and draw out specific points. For example, /The customer service team is a small group of volunteers who have demonstrated the ability to work on difficult and sensitive issues, and to act with appropriate discretion. This team respects requests for privacy, and as a matter of regular practice does not share personal information disclosed in email communications./ could probably boiled down to All messages will be confidential and handled with respect by our experienced volunteers. I was going to take a stab at this myself, but my other, larger question is about where this is intended to fit in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us is already quite full, and doesn't really have space for prose text like this. Linking to a page like this one in that sea of bulleted items is unlikely to have much of an effect, though. Is this a customer service portal intended to be reached from some more specialized access point? I realize you may not have thought much about that yet, but I think the answer determines how we should write the page. Dominic On 9/18/11 2:33 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: Update, and a request: The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. Summary: * Many people agree that there is an important concern about readers who find personal/traumatic content about themselves, and have reservations about contacting an unknown email support team. * Philosophical questions have been raised about addressing this with a women-only support team * There are also practical concerns about how that could be implemented So, in consultation with several of the people on this list, I've made an alternative proposal, which would not shake the foundations of the OTRS team. Basically, that we should improve our public descriptions of Wikimedia customer service, and encourage people to *ask* for what they want -- whether it's a woman to work with them privately, or any other kind of special request. Along with a brief observation that such a request might delay action a bit due to limited volunteer resources. Please take a look at what I've written up here, and share your thoughts: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Peteforsyth/Customer_service -Pete On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:45 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com mailto:jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com mailto:petefors...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like we have strong consensus that a separate customer support queue, run by and for women, would be a good idea. I certainly think so! Who here is active on OTRS? I'm on it, and on the email list, but I'm not active there. It might be best for somebody float the idea over there, see how it's received, and if there's agreement, figure out the steps to get it up and running. (I'm sure that having a small corps of female volunteers willing to staff it will be an essential element!) I'm not very active, .. :/ I've initiated a discussion thread on the private otrs wiki, copying your email text and linking to this thread. http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/Café#queue_for_verified_females http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9#queue_for_verified_females -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
