Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-20 Thread Sarah 
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 18:30, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Arnaud,
>
>
>
> I've ordered a copy of Good Hair as well. :) There are excellent scholarly
> sources on [[hair
>
> straightening]] in the black community. I dropped a few on the article's
> talk page, but it's just
>
> the tip of the iceberg. I may do some work on the article. Any help by
> editors better
>
> qualified than me welcome!
>
>
>
> I agree about the Black Girls video. My wife showed it to me a few months
> ago, and it's
>
> stayed with me ever since.
>
>
>
> As for your other point, about unnecessary surgery, Sarah spotted that we
> had some frankly
>
> misleading before/after plastic surgery pictures in a number of articles on
> female genitalia
>
> (uploaded by a plastic surgeon, no less). There were also two (2) in the
> vulva article. I found
>
> that quite perturbing.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Andreas
>

Many thanks for your work on those articles, Andreas. I've written to a
gynaecologist who published some images showing the natural variation
between women, and I've asked if she's willing to release a couple.

The Black Girls video is very moving.

Sarah
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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe 
Arnaud,


I've ordered a copy of Good Hair as well. :) There are excellent scholarly 
sources on [[hair
straightening]] in the black community. I dropped a few on the article's talk 
page, but it's just
the tip of the iceberg. I may do some work on the article. Any help by editors 
better
qualified than me welcome!


I agree about the Black Girls video. My wife showed it to me a few months ago, 
and it's
stayed with me ever since. 


As for your other point, about unnecessary surgery, Sarah spotted that we had 
some frankly
misleading before/after plastic surgery pictures in a number of articles on 
female genitalia
(uploaded by a plastic surgeon, no less). There were also two (2) in the vulva 
article. I found
that quite perturbing.


Best,
Andreas

--- On Wed, 21/9/11, Arnaud HERVE  wrote:

From: Arnaud HERVE 
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" 

Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 0:15

On 20/09/2011 01:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s

Not only worth watching but compulsory watching, I think. Thanks Andreas 
for this great link. I'll be watching the movie Good Hair next week-end.

Yes I suspect light brown caffelatte skin is becoming a sort of norm 
now. In fact by watching American TV series, I would not be surprised if 
the light brown woman is the one who's here to stay and join the team, 
and the dark brown woman is the one being killed during the episode, or 
not a recurring character.

On a more general scale, I first became aware of the dangers of 
unnecessary surgery by working for sports instructors a few years ago. 
If you imagine that sports physical enhancement will remain forever the 
mere injection of chemicals, well you're wrong. There is going to be 
carbon-fiber bones, all sorts of weird things.

Now as far as average women are concerned, there is a deadly combination 
of :

- the natural tendancy of women to take care of their appearance
- new bio technologies
- business interests eager to combine the two.

But that will create Frankenstein's monsters really. Uneducated women 
are going to get convinced that their shoulders are too large, their 
hips to narrow, their humerus too long... it will really become crazy 
and extend to whatever possible.

And then there is the problem of the consequences when growing older. In 
this case of skin whitening, even if the laboratory says it's safe, it 
nevertheless compulsorily means intervening in the skin as deep as the 
pigments, so frankly it doesn't sound that good to me.

So I would compare it to food disorders or pathological gambling. Even 
if adults do that of their own free will, responsible institutions 
should not go that way.

Arnaud

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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-20 Thread Arnaud HERVE 
On 20/09/2011 01:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s

Not only worth watching but compulsory watching, I think. Thanks Andreas 
for this great link. I'll be watching the movie Good Hair next week-end.

Yes I suspect light brown caffelatte skin is becoming a sort of norm 
now. In fact by watching American TV series, I would not be surprised if 
the light brown woman is the one who's here to stay and join the team, 
and the dark brown woman is the one being killed during the episode, or 
not a recurring character.

On a more general scale, I first became aware of the dangers of 
unnecessary surgery by working for sports instructors a few years ago. 
If you imagine that sports physical enhancement will remain forever the 
mere injection of chemicals, well you're wrong. There is going to be 
carbon-fiber bones, all sorts of weird things.

Now as far as average women are concerned, there is a deadly combination 
of :

- the natural tendancy of women to take care of their appearance
- new bio technologies
- business interests eager to combine the two.

But that will create Frankenstein's monsters really. Uneducated women 
are going to get convinced that their shoulders are too large, their 
hips to narrow, their humerus too long... it will really become crazy 
and extend to whatever possible.

And then there is the problem of the consequences when growing older. In 
this case of skin whitening, even if the laboratory says it's safe, it 
nevertheless compulsorily means intervening in the skin as deep as the 
pigments, so frankly it doesn't sound that good to me.

So I would compare it to food disorders or pathological gambling. Even 
if adults do that of their own free will, responsible institutions 
should not go that way.

Arnaud

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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser

2011-09-20 Thread Emily Monroe 
Yes! Go us!

From,
Emily


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:35 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> very nice.
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser

2011-09-20 Thread John Vandenberg 
very nice.

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[Gendergap] Derby..

2011-09-20 Thread Sarah Stierch 
Scored three roller derby shots from photographer Tom Klubens today, OTRS is
pending.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photographs_by_Tom_Klubens

Hopefully I can weasel a few more! All it takes is an email. I encourage you
all to reach out to a photographer about something that needs better
coverage on Wikimedia, and ask them for a media donation today.  Then, of
course, brag about them on Facebook, Twitter, mailing lists, etc, and praise
them for how awesome they are for helping the mission and encourage others
to join in. ;)

-Sarah

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[Gendergap] Hairdresser

2011-09-20 Thread Sarah Stierch 
Look who's in the DYK! :)

Go team!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

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Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

2011-09-20 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson 

By the way, here is the current discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hannibal#Misleading_boilerplate_text_in_user_pages

Best wishes,

Lennart

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:27:08 -0400
From: sydney.po...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart.

I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of non-tech 
minded people. 

Sydney Poore

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 wrote:






Hello,

Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing 
three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can 
be found here:

http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf


In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to 
come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the 
English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have 
participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the 
process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my 
life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the 
Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the 
account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can 
help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway). 


When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will 
not be used.

(Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)

Best wishes,

Lennart




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> From: jutta@cancer.org.au
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700

> > From: Pete Forsyth 
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> > of  women

> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> > 
> > Message-ID:
> >  > 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 
> > Update, and a request:

> > 
> > The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about
> > 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
> > 
> 
> This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing 
> Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious 
> in the interface. 

> 
> I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing 
> Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard 
> and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account 
> creation 
> :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal

> In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', 
> the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' 
> instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to 
> us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was 
> a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up 
> showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the 
> Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer 
> profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... 

> 
> I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is 
> "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Jutta
> 

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Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

2011-09-20 Thread Sydney Poore 
Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart.

I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of
non-tech minded people.

Sydney Poore

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished
> testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The
> report can be found here:
>
>
> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf
>
> In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community
> to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on
> the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have
> participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change
> the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on
> in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at
> the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed
> the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English
> Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it
> myself anyway).
>
> When we change the process, that version of the account creation process
> will not be used.
>
> (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson,
> Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
> Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost:
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida:
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg:
> http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
>
> > From: jutta@cancer.org.au
> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000
>
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700
> > > From: Pete Forsyth 
> > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> > > of women
> > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> > > 
> > > Message-ID:
> > >  > > 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Update, and a request:
> > >
> > > The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think
> about
> > > 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
> > >
> >
> > This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start
> editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to
> be obvious in the interface.
> >
> > I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing
> Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard
> and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for
> account creation :
> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal
> > In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics.
> 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected
> 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was
> presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to
> create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my
> article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up
> putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's
> got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her
> without my help...
> >
> > I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is
> "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jutta
> >
> >
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Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

2011-09-20 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson 

Hello,

Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing 
three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can 
be found here:

http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf

In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to 
come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the 
English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have 
participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the 
process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my 
life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the 
Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the 
account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can 
help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway). 

When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will 
not be used.

(Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)

Best wishes,

Lennart



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Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48
Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05
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> From: jutta@cancer.org.au
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700
> > From: Pete Forsyth 
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> > of  women
> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> > 
> > Message-ID:
> >  > 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 
> > Update, and a request:
> > 
> > The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about
> > 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
> > 
> 
> This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing 
> Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious 
> in the interface. 
> 
> I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing 
> Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard 
> and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account 
> creation 
> :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal
> In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', 
> the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' 
> instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to 
> us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was 
> a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up 
> showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the 
> Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer 
> profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... 
> 
> I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is 
> "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Jutta
> 
> 
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