Re: [Gendergap] the poem gap
Interesting. Thanks! I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_is_Counted_Sweetes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_is_Counted_Sweetest> which has its own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This poem was not listed on the Wikidata query poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be. This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful term). Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with them. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs<http://www.elementx.se/skriv-som-ett-proffs/> - min senaste bok Kommande böcker<http://www.elementx.se/om-lennart/kommande-bocker/> | Tidigare böcker<http://www.elementx.se/tidigare-bocker/> Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg<http://elementx.us7.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=ab2080465c6cd11b5b253f940&id=8a2b974a62> @aliasHannibal<http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Från: Gendergap för Ryan Kaldari Skickat: den 11 maj 2017 07:16:26 Till: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects Ämne: [Gendergap] the poem gap Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia. This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality? Anyway, just something to chew on. If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are: Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Wikipedia
"Last Updated: 10-28-2014". Well, good that nothing has happened since with Wikipedia... Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs<http://www.elementx.se/skriv-som-ett-proffs/> - min senaste bok Kommande böcker<http://www.elementx.se/om-lennart/kommande-bocker/> | Tidigare böcker<http://www.elementx.se/tidigare-bocker/> Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg<http://elementx.us7.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=ab2080465c6cd11b5b253f940&id=8a2b974a62> @aliasHannibal<http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Från: Gendergap för Carol Moore dc Skickat: den 9 oktober 2016 20:52:59 Till: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Ämne: Re: [Gendergap] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Wikipedia ha ha... just found out we can see at least beginning of Britannica entries including this one... Wonder if it has a section on sexism (aka "gender gap" because who wants to go around saying "sex gap"? :-) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Request for advice about editathons
Good question. In our experience from the weekly editathons in Gothenburg
(https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projekt_kvinnor/Kvinnliga_huvudpersoner_p%C3%A5_Wikipedia)
there are a few things we've learned:
* even though people are interested, it may take a while before they actually
come. In a few cases, people thought about it for several months before showing
up.
* media reports are key to reaching newcomers and the reports need to be
positive, including reporting on results ("we've created this many articles",
etc)
* recruiting people with a large network is also a big plus. If you can get
that person enthusiastic about the editathons, he or she can be better than any
poster or article in the newspaper.
* the place needs to be easy to find, centrally located and feel
homey/welcoming. Signs pointing towards the editathon is a good idea
* make a welcoming project page (ours is a work in progress)
But realistically, the bulk of the work is going to be done by the core team,
so make sure you have fun even if noone shows up.
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
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Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg
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världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
Jimmy Wales
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:12:40 -0500
From: slowki...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Request for advice about editathons
i agree the trend is low undergraduate attendance if not part of grade
some campus marketing (fliers, partnership with groups seems in order) but we
don't have a handle on it.major divide between readers and editors seems hard
to close.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Pine W wrote:
Hi GG mailing list and Maria from WMF Eval,
Cascadia Wikimedians ran a series of editathons at the University of Washington
with themes like "Women and astronomy" and "Women and Health Sciences". We did
some communications through the University's Facebook pages and mailing lists.
While we had regular attendance from veteran Wikipedians and from university
librarians, we had very little attendance from current students on campus who
we had hoped would attend.
I heard from a female undergraduate that there was buzz and interest on campus
in what we were doing, but few people took the next step of coming to one of
our events.
Another comment I heard at Wikiconference USA is that university editathons are
most successful if there's a current undergraduate on campus who is interested
and recruits their friends. In the absence of that, the university editathon
model tends to have mediocre outcomes.
Any suggestions about how to increase attendance if we decide to try this again
in the future?
Thanks,
Pine
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Re: [Gendergap] Semi-retirement > retirement
I am so sorry to hear that, LightBreather. This situation is horrendous. Best of luck with all your other projects. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:53:52 -0700 From: lightbreath...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Semi-retirement > retirement I semi-retired back in May, planning to retire after the arbcom case against me was closed. However, it's been over two months since Karanacs requested the case on April 29, the proposed decision phase has been going nowhere since June 7, and I've got no energy left for the thing, so I've retired today. I will be taking my name off the gender gap mailing list next. Thanks again to those of you who were friendly to me. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Slate on Wikipedia and the gendergap
Hello, Slate recently published a, at least to my eyes, fairly well-balanced article about Wikipedia: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html?wpsrc=sh_all_tab_tw_bot The Gender Gap Task Force gets more than a shout-out: "Last week, Wikipedia’s highest court, the Arbitration Committee, composed of 12 elected volunteers who serve one- or two-year terms, handed down a decision in a controversial case having to do with the site’s self-formed Gender Gap Task Force, the goal of which is to increase female participation on Wikipedia from its current 10 percent to 25 percent by the end of next year. The dispute, which involved ongoing hostility from a handful of prickly longtime editors, had simmered for at least 18 months. In the end, the only woman in the argument, pro-GGTF libertarian feminist Carol Moore, was indefinitely banned from all of Wikipedia over her uncivil comments toward a group of male editors, whom she at one point dubbed “the Manchester Gangbangers and their cronies/minions.” Two of her chief antagonists in that group got comparative slaps on the wrist. One was the productive but notoriously hostile Eric “Fuck Wikipedia” Corbett, who has a milelong track record of incivility, had declared the task force a feminist “crusade ... to alienate every male editor,” and called Moore “nothing but a pain in the arse,” among less printable comments; he was handed a seemingly redundant “prohibition” on abusive language. The other editor was Sitush, who repeatedly criticized Moore for being “obsessed with an anti-male agenda” and then decided to research and write a Wikipedia biography of her; he walked away with a mere “warning.” With the Arbitration Committee opting only to ban the one woman in the dispute despite her behavior being no worse than that of the men, it’s hard not to see this as a setback to Wikipedia’s efforts to rectify its massive gender gap. (After the decision, several editors announced their intentions to resign in protest.) Moreover, it’s reflective of the challenges Wikipedia faces as it attempts to retain and improve its content quality and editing force." Also mentioned, the Chelsea Manning name controversy and the overall fall in editors. What I miss here and in almost every article in English I've seen on these types of topics is that English Wikipedia is the only one mentioned. I grant that many readers only know English, but I for one, don't recognize the same bad language and anti-women behavior in my daily work on Swedish Wikipedia. We would simply not allow people to speak that way. This leads me to wonder how those types of behaviors affect editors. We have a golden opportunity to A/B test this, because of all our language versions. So, my question, stated another way, is: if the bad language and anti-women behavior on English Wikipedia deter editors, and maybe especially female editors, and we have other Wikipedias with less bad language and anti-women behavior (perhaps), do these language versions have a higher female-to-male ratio? And stated a third way: how much do the bad language and anti-women behavior really influence the gendergap? Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] What would it take to Close the Gender Gap?
Hello, This is very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Please let us know if and when it can be shared more freely. I know a few people who'd want to read about this. I know I was surprised to read that we would be better off trying to recruit new editors than to focus on retention (very simplified). A couple of points, none of which I've seen mentioned in this thread: * no matter the numbers, it will take a lot of male editors to help engaging more female editors. Not only because if female editors were to concentrate on engaging other females, they would have less time editing, and not only because we have more male editors, but because this is not only a woman's issue. It's an issue of neutrality and dissemination of knowledge. If we can get more male editors to get behind this question, it will be much easier getting to the desired numbers. * I wrote a blog post a few years ago, stating that if all the women who were named Elsa started editing Swedish Wikipedia actively (4 times a day = more than 100 edits a month), the gendergap would cease to exist. (https://wikimediasverige.wordpress.com/2013/12/16/varfor-skriver-inte-kvinnor-pa-wikipedia/) These kinds of numbers are telling, in that they convey a fairly common misconception: although we have a huge gendergap, the number of people actually editing Wikipedia is not that great. So in actual numbers, if we divide the effort between chapters and non-chapters and individual Wikipedians, I think it's possible to reach those numbers. Anyway, great post and again, thanks. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:51:31 -0400 From: pharosofalexand...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] What would it take to Close the Gender Gap? I like the idea of experimenting with new knowledgespaces, with new workflows to support them. With enough investment in design, I think this could be done on a large scale right in the project namespace of English Wikipedia. Thanks,Pharos On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sarah (SV) wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: Thanks Jason. I enjoyed reading this, though the conclusions remind me of _Seeing Like a State_. Not all edits, editors, and subcommunities are equal. Trying to shift about contributors en masse in a way that is convenient for large organizations (or for those of us who like crunching large datasets :) can be a total failure in practice. Let's set up a new space where we can experiment with fast influxes of newbies. The current large projects are not suited for this. I believe good design is a key issue for editor attraction and retention, so that we can produce professional-looking articles we can be proud of and want to write. I would also love to see the Foundation redesign the front page. It's hard for the community to take the lead when it comes to design, and it seems to fall off the radar when people discuss editor retention and gender gap. Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia
Ah, thanks. That explains it a little bit further. Well, the why is always more complex than what or how. Perhaps it's svwiki's early adopters and bot policies that skew the numbers somewhat. I really appreciate you doing this number crunching. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 12:48:00 +0200 From: jane...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia Lennart,You have every reason to be proud and I honestly don't know why, I can only report the "what". It takes a bit of handwork, but after downloading all of the matched databases from Mix-n-Match, you can then take dumps from Wikidata using autolist per language that include sitelinks to those languages. My suspicion is that at the end of the day, if you are playing the numbers game, the English Wikipedia wins at having the most women. However, those are mostly women who were active in the US. Even Britain is missing huge sweeps of notable women in the English Wikipedia (and see the work for the scientists as an example). What the Swedes have I believe, that other language wikis lack for some reason, is a goal for coverage of notable topics regardless of priority, and then, as an extra step, the desire to cover these at some basic minimum in Wikidata. Otherwise I can't explain it. Perhaps svwiki has successfully absorbed complete versions of various international dictionaries of national biography for other nations? To be clear, when I say "percentage of women", I mean "percentage measurable with autolist from Wikidata of female biographies in any arts field as a percentage of total human biographies in that field of artists on that Wikipedia". Wikidata is far from complete, and not all biographies have been fleshed out with 4+ statements on Wikidata. Jane On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, It made me very proud to read this: "Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed by the Russian Wikipedia." But where do these figures come from and can you be more exact? Thanks in advance. Also, this thread is very interesting. I am following it closely. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:17:49 -0700 From: isa...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia Jane, Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree completely that mixing up editor and biography gender biases is dangerous and maybe not true. On the statistics side its really intriguing to read about your much closer analyses of different Wikipedias. I would like have computers help humans make more of these types of discoveries. Thanks for all your effort and feedback. Make a great day, Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Jane Darnell wrote: Max,Hmm, interesting proposal! I am not sure whether it can be very useful as it reads now. I have thought a lot about this and have looked at the concept "painter" pretty carefully. Yes there is a gendergap in the data as it is generated on a daily basis, but no, I am not convinced this is related to the Wikipedia gendergap in the sense of "you need women to write biographies of women". In fact, some of the most thoughtful biographies of women are written by men and you could maybe say that our biographies of men may improve if we get more women on board editing. There is however, a tipping point when it comes to writing about women on Wikipedia. In my work on female stub creation I have seen lots of examples where the stub existed and was deleted due to notability concerns. Lots of experienced editors (myself included) will only bother to write an article, even if it's just a stub, when the likelihood of having the article stick is judged to be at some mysterious level. I think we need some policy guidelines and some stats about how many articles about women were previously deleted. This may help us determine what the "academic bias barrier" is in accumulating female biographies in general. When I think of what I would like in terms of "Wikipe
Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia
Hello, It made me very proud to read this: "Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed by the Russian Wikipedia." But where do these figures come from and can you be more exact? Thanks in advance. Also, this thread is very interesting. I am following it closely. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:17:49 -0700 From: isa...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Closing the gendergap in biographies on Wikipedia Jane, Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree completely that mixing up editor and biography gender biases is dangerous and maybe not true. On the statistics side its really intriguing to read about your much closer analyses of different Wikipedias. I would like have computers help humans make more of these types of discoveries. Thanks for all your effort and feedback. Make a great day, Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Jane Darnell wrote: Max,Hmm, interesting proposal! I am not sure whether it can be very useful as it reads now. I have thought a lot about this and have looked at the concept "painter" pretty carefully. Yes there is a gendergap in the data as it is generated on a daily basis, but no, I am not convinced this is related to the Wikipedia gendergap in the sense of "you need women to write biographies of women". In fact, some of the most thoughtful biographies of women are written by men and you could maybe say that our biographies of men may improve if we get more women on board editing. There is however, a tipping point when it comes to writing about women on Wikipedia. In my work on female stub creation I have seen lots of examples where the stub existed and was deleted due to notability concerns. Lots of experienced editors (myself included) will only bother to write an article, even if it's just a stub, when the likelihood of having the article stick is judged to be at some mysterious level. I think we need some policy guidelines and some stats about how many articles about women were previously deleted. This may help us determine what the "academic bias barrier" is in accumulating female biographies in general. When I think of what I would like in terms of "Wikipedia Gender Index Tools", I would like to see, per country of birth or per occupation or per external database, how the percentage of female vs male is across language Wikipedias. Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed by the Russian Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is somewhere in the middle and the Italians are the biggest loser (but maybe also with the longest history of art historical terms that are documented, which could lead to a higher percentage of men across the arts born before 1800, but perhaps higher after 1850 - who knows?). Once you start drilling down into the data you find all sorts of really weird conundrums!Jane On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Maximilian Klein wrote: Hi Jane, great investigation. I like this idea of looking at the gender gap by-profession, and seeing if it is closing at any rate by sampling it over time. In fact, I put in a project for the "inspire campaign" to automate recording these statistics over time for all professions. It'd be great to have your endorsement, and if the project is funded we can compare how painters fair against other professions. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index_Tools#Endorsements Make a great day, Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Jane Darnell wrote: Hi everyone, I have been checking how we are doing on closing the gendergap on biographies of women artists for a while. Part of the problem is collecting the data, and Wikidata is a great help. Unfortunately there are still lots of women artists with Wikidata items without any statements at all, but since this is also true for male artists, looking at the stats is useful. What I did was to collect data for all female artists and all male artist and came up with percentages for painters versus various matched data bases in Mix-n-Match. Thanks to our push on Art & Feminism, the score is better (12.5%) on Wikimedia projects than for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (10.1%). The ODNB is currently the only database that is completely matched. The other databases are still being matched, but still, it's inte
Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature
I think that the evaluation team are working on other tools as well, but I am not sure. We haven't used their tools for our editathons, although they are probably better than our self-edited stats, since our goal is also to have fun :-) Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:49:23 +0100 From: jane...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature Thanks! I was told we are using some tools internally to track specific edit-a-thon outcomes - is this what you mean? We want to track more than just edit-a-thon outcomes though On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Very cool! Good luck to you. Just a quick response to the first question: I definitely think it's doable to get 5 editors to stay on for 5 months. The evaluation team should be able to help you with tools and guides to measure this. My advice is to use the person-to-person method. That is, you invite a few female friends. Some will find it interesting. Make sure that it's a friendly space they come to. And some will come back. If you're a few regular people doing this, 5 should be on the low side for the Netherlands. We have about done it in Sweden without much effort, and with a little effort we could make it 10 (it's just been a busy time for me and a few others in the regular group). Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:43:58 +0100 From: jane...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature Hi Lennart and others,We had a short meeting yesterday in Utrecht to discuss the Gendergap and also our plans for the upcoming Art & Feminism weekend of 7 & 8 March. Wikimedia Netherlands will co-host an edit-a-thon at the Amsterdam Stedelijk Museum and we also plan to host an international writing challenge lasting the entire weekend, directed at experienced "challenge writers". Since WMNL has also set aside some funding for Gendergap this year, we were also talking about other plans. One thing that we decided to do is to set aside one "Wiki-Saturday" per month for the Gendergap in all of its Wiki(p/m)edia aspects, but with the emphasis on the social side of things as an in-person meetup. We will be announcing the "Saturday meetups" in the Stedelijk venue. Based on our meeting, I have done some searching around and have the following questions:1) I was wondering if anyone had any measurable outcomes for such an investment of time and funds? We tentatively had a year-target of attracting 5 new women editors that remain active for at least 5 months. I have doubts whether this is measurable or even realistic.Thoughts anyone?2) I noticed that though we seem to have lots of women artists on Wikipedia, we are still missing articles about their artworks or list articles of their artworks. In a category on the English Wikipedia for "Lists of works of art" I noted an odd mish-mash of lists which include lists of works by 66 men and only 4 women (I just created the list for Judith Leyster and hope to make list articles for two more Dutch women artists before March). Would anyone here be interested in building a list of their favorite female artist? This will be a nice-to-have for 7&8 March writers browsing for something to write about, as most museums have works by women in the collections, but they are just not on show. If a work is in one of the national museums it is encyclopedic enough to write about. Thanks in advance!Jane On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: My draft is now up at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Regular_editathons_in_Sweden_about_women_and_literature Anyone who wants to help with grammar and other language stuff (English is my second language after all), feel free. Your help is appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt
Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature
Very cool! Good luck to you. Just a quick response to the first question: I definitely think it's doable to get 5 editors to stay on for 5 months. The evaluation team should be able to help you with tools and guides to measure this. My advice is to use the person-to-person method. That is, you invite a few female friends. Some will find it interesting. Make sure that it's a friendly space they come to. And some will come back. If you're a few regular people doing this, 5 should be on the low side for the Netherlands. We have about done it in Sweden without much effort, and with a little effort we could make it 10 (it's just been a busy time for me and a few others in the regular group). Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok Få regelbundna skrivtips direkt till din inkorg @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:43:58 +0100 From: jane...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature Hi Lennart and others,We had a short meeting yesterday in Utrecht to discuss the Gendergap and also our plans for the upcoming Art & Feminism weekend of 7 & 8 March. Wikimedia Netherlands will co-host an edit-a-thon at the Amsterdam Stedelijk Museum and we also plan to host an international writing challenge lasting the entire weekend, directed at experienced "challenge writers". Since WMNL has also set aside some funding for Gendergap this year, we were also talking about other plans. One thing that we decided to do is to set aside one "Wiki-Saturday" per month for the Gendergap in all of its Wiki(p/m)edia aspects, but with the emphasis on the social side of things as an in-person meetup. We will be announcing the "Saturday meetups" in the Stedelijk venue. Based on our meeting, I have done some searching around and have the following questions:1) I was wondering if anyone had any measurable outcomes for such an investment of time and funds? We tentatively had a year-target of attracting 5 new women editors that remain active for at least 5 months. I have doubts whether this is measurable or even realistic.Thoughts anyone?2) I noticed that though we seem to have lots of women artists on Wikipedia, we are still missing articles about their artworks or list articles of their artworks. In a category on the English Wikipedia for "Lists of works of art" I noted an odd mish-mash of lists which include lists of works by 66 men and only 4 women (I just created the list for Judith Leyster and hope to make list articles for two more Dutch women artists before March). Would anyone here be interested in building a list of their favorite female artist? This will be a nice-to-have for 7&8 March writers browsing for something to write about, as most museums have works by women in the collections, but they are just not on show. If a work is in one of the national museums it is encyclopedic enough to write about. Thanks in advance!Jane On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: My draft is now up at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Regular_editathons_in_Sweden_about_women_and_literature Anyone who wants to help with grammar and other language stuff (English is my second language after all), feel free. Your help is appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:17:27 -0800 From: rosiestep.w...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature Big smile on my face... I love the idea of regular editathons. I've never been to a knitting/quilting circle but I imagine a group of women editing Wikipedia would have a similar look and feel. Piggy-backing on the WMDC "salons" might be a way forward as facilitating an "editathon" requires quite a bit of the facilitator, while a regularly scheduled editing-circle or editing-salon wouldn't require a facilitator at all. I think that would be easier to sustain and replicate. -Rosieuser:Rosiestep ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Study of 1 million NY Times comments
Yes, very interesting. I liked this section too: "Telling women that their comments received more recommendations might also encourage them to comment more; previous studies have found that women are less likely than men to persist in commenting when their comments do not receive positive responses." This is something we try to do during our editathons; show our participants how much their articles are read and appreciated. But we could do even better there, I believe. Thanks for sharing! Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: eir...@hotmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 01:29:25 + Subject: [Gendergap] Study of 1 million NY Times comments Thought this was interesting. How to ge more women to join the debate http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/06/how-to-get-more-women-to-join-the-debate/?_r=2 >"Women were clearly underrepresented in my data. They made only a quarter of comments, even though their >comments got more recommendations from other readers on average. Even when they did speak up, they >tended to cluster in stereotypically “female” areas: they were most common on articles about parenting, caring >for the old, fashion and dining. (Women got more recommendations than men on most of the sports blogs, but >they still made, for example, only 5 percent of comments on the soccer blog.)" >"It seems unlikely that these effects are confined to The New York Times; >studies of online commenting find >broad signs of inequality. (While women are well-represented on some websites, >like the image-sharing site >Pinterest, these sites do not tend to focus on expressing and defending opinions. Online forums that do often >have mostly male commenters: examples include Wikipedia edit pages, the social news site Reddit, and the >question-answering sites Quora and Stack Overflow.) I also spoke to Katherine >Coffman, an economist whose >results echoed mine: she found that women were less willing than men to >contribute their ideas in stereotypically >male areas. Marie ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature
My draft is now up at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Regular_editathons_in_Sweden_about_women_and_literature Anyone who wants to help with grammar and other language stuff (English is my second language after all), feel free. Your help is appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:17:27 -0800 From: rosiestep.w...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature Big smile on my face... I love the idea of regular editathons. I've never been to a knitting/quilting circle but I imagine a group of women editing Wikipedia would have a similar look and feel. Piggy-backing on the WMDC "salons" might be a way forward as facilitating an "editathon" requires quite a bit of the facilitator, while a regularly scheduled editing-circle or editing-salon wouldn't require a facilitator at all. I think that would be easier to sustain and replicate. -Rosieuser:Rosiestep ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature
Two things about the name: 1) in Swedish we don't call them editathons, but "skrivstuga/skrivstugor" (editing cottage/editing cottages). 2) the suffix "athon" comes from Marathon, a long-distance run. Considering that this event is even longer than any normal editathon, it's arguably even more appropriate ;-) But I see your point. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:30:29 -0800 From: christinewme...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature I'm very interested in this kind of thing, so much so that I'd like to follow a similar model locally. I'm not sure that I live in a large enough area to make it feasible, though. However, I think that it's a good model to recruit and retain editors, especially women, who tend to like editing in community. Wikimedia should pursue this. As far as a name for regular editing sessions like this, it reminds me a club--a group of people who meet regularly to accomplish some kind of task, like a book club or Toastmasters. How about something like, "Wikipedians Club". I'm sure there's a more creative name than that. And then we could have individual chapters with more creative names, based on topic or geography. ChristineUser:Figureskatingfan On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Kerry Raymond wrote: The key comment is this: “We are also considering ways to get the people most interested in going to those editathons to also run them (empowering them, in effect).” If edit-a-thons are to achieve scale, it’s necessary that once established, the group will continue under its own momentum. This frees up the original organisers (or new members who have “graduated” to become new organisers) to move on and establish similar groups. Just an aside, I think we need a different term for this kind of regular edit session. Perhaps it’s just my own cultural baggage, but I associate the “-a-thon” as a big once-off event e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Canberra/2014-08-14-Wikibomb rather than something smaller but more regular and ongoing. Maybe we should call it an editfika J Kerry ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- ChristineChristine W. Meyer christinewme...@gmail.com 208/310-1549 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature
Thanks for your kind words and your suggestion.
I'll post a version of this email as a draft to the blog here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog probably later today.
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
070 - 207 80 05
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Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok
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Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter
"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
Jimmy Wales
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:47:59 -0600
From: keilanaw...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and
literature
Dear Lennart,
This is fantastic! I think it does a lot to prove just how useful a small,
regular, focused workshop model is. I'm very impressed by the amazing things
that you've accomplished this year! Congratulations!
-Emily
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Thanks Lennart!
A blog post would be awesome about this -I'm sure the program evaluation folks
at WMF would love to see it on the Wikimedia blog. Having it as a blog would
make it easier to share with a wider audience off this list.
Great work that continues to be done in Sweden!! :)
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
wrote:
Hello,
Since this is the start of the new year, let me just shortly let you know (or
remind you) about what one thing we've done in Sweden last year and a little
about what we've learned.
We started in March in Gothenburg, the second largest city of Sweden, to hold
weekly editathons. The topic was formally "female main characters" ("kvinnliga
huvudpersoner"), but we essentially let people write about what they wanted,
and tried to gently steer them towards literature and/or women. It could be
female authors, or seminal works in womens' literature such as "The Mad Woman
in the Attic". We welcomed people of all sexes.
Altogether we ran 35 editathons each running on a Tuesday from 13.00 onwards,
editing in over 100 different articles, with about different 15 Wikipedians.
The result was 11 articles reaching "recommended status" (ranking just below
Good articles) with more on their way. (We of course want to improve on this
for next year.) A full list of articles worked on, sorted on how far they've
come can be found on our project page:
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projekt_kvinnor/Kvinnliga_huvudpersoner_p%C3%A5_Wikipedia#Skapade_och_f.C3.B6rb.C3.A4ttrade_artiklar_.28s.C3.A5_h.C3.A4r_l.C3.A5ngt.29
This initiative is one of the most publicised Wikipedia/Wikimedia events in
Sweden during the year with two national radio interviews, two podcast
interviews and several articles. There has been no negative reactions (which I
am beginning to understand needs specifying) as far as I am aware of. We have
presented this on flyers and on the large Book Fair in Gothenburg, and have
started to get a very good reputation. We are hoping to see the same sort of
regular editathon thing getting off the ground in other cities in Sweden during
2015.
So, what have we learned?
* we could not have done this but for a small group of dedicated people who
showed up nearly every time. We were four persons (two female, two male). "All
volunteers" led to very little bureaucracy during the editathons themselves and
sometimes editathons running over by several hours. Making sure that the
editathons didn't depend on any one person was an early priority.
* we had access to a free space with wifi and a kitchen. Each time, Wikimedia
Sverige sponsored coffee/tea, sandwiches and fruit - and gingersnaps and other
seasonal treats. Don't underestimate the power of "fika"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fika_%28coffee_break%29). All in all, the cost
of all 35 editathons was around 240-250 USD.
* we have two lines of communication: both the project page, and our Facebook
group: https://www.facebook.com/events/213852525478532/, where we could remind
people to come and get them to invite others who aren't on Wikipedia yet.
Personal invitations works much better in the long run - getting people to come
back week after week.
* the topic was very well chosen. Many are interested in literature and the
topic is underdeveloped on Wikipedia, so it's easy to explain the need to
outsiders. But it has also been good to allow some leeway and not adhering
strictly to any predetermined list of articles to edit. Sometimes interesting
topics crop up in conversation or a bad article was discovered during fact
checking and then we've encouraged people to edit that article.
* some people have wished for the editathons to be held on other days/other
times. It may have contributed to the sometimes very low attendance rates.
We've
[Gendergap] Regular editathons in Sweden about women and literature
Hello,
Since this is the start of the new year, let me just shortly let you know (or
remind you) about what one thing we've done in Sweden last year and a little
about what we've learned.
We started in March in Gothenburg, the second largest city of Sweden, to hold
weekly editathons. The topic was formally "female main characters" ("kvinnliga
huvudpersoner"), but we essentially let people write about what they wanted,
and tried to gently steer them towards literature and/or women. It could be
female authors, or seminal works in womens' literature such as "The Mad Woman
in the Attic". We welcomed people of all sexes.
Altogether we ran 35 editathons each running on a Tuesday from 13.00 onwards,
editing in over 100 different articles, with about different 15 Wikipedians.
The result was 11 articles reaching "recommended status" (ranking just below
Good articles) with more on their way. (We of course want to improve on this
for next year.) A full list of articles worked on, sorted on how far they've
come can be found on our project page:
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projekt_kvinnor/Kvinnliga_huvudpersoner_p%C3%A5_Wikipedia#Skapade_och_f.C3.B6rb.C3.A4ttrade_artiklar_.28s.C3.A5_h.C3.A4r_l.C3.A5ngt.29
This initiative is one of the most publicised Wikipedia/Wikimedia events in
Sweden during the year with two national radio interviews, two podcast
interviews and several articles. There has been no negative reactions (which I
am beginning to understand needs specifying) as far as I am aware of. We have
presented this on flyers and on the large Book Fair in Gothenburg, and have
started to get a very good reputation. We are hoping to see the same sort of
regular editathon thing getting off the ground in other cities in Sweden during
2015.
So, what have we learned?
* we could not have done this but for a small group of dedicated people who
showed up nearly every time. We were four persons (two female, two male). "All
volunteers" led to very little bureaucracy during the editathons themselves and
sometimes editathons running over by several hours. Making sure that the
editathons didn't depend on any one person was an early priority.
* we had access to a free space with wifi and a kitchen. Each time, Wikimedia
Sverige sponsored coffee/tea, sandwiches and fruit - and gingersnaps and other
seasonal treats. Don't underestimate the power of "fika"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fika_%28coffee_break%29). All in all, the cost
of all 35 editathons was around 240-250 USD.
* we have two lines of communication: both the project page, and our Facebook
group: https://www.facebook.com/events/213852525478532/, where we could remind
people to come and get them to invite others who aren't on Wikipedia yet.
Personal invitations works much better in the long run - getting people to come
back week after week.
* the topic was very well chosen. Many are interested in literature and the
topic is underdeveloped on Wikipedia, so it's easy to explain the need to
outsiders. But it has also been good to allow some leeway and not adhering
strictly to any predetermined list of articles to edit. Sometimes interesting
topics crop up in conversation or a bad article was discovered during fact
checking and then we've encouraged people to edit that article.
* some people have wished for the editathons to be held on other days/other
times. It may have contributed to the sometimes very low attendance rates.
We've tried to taken that into account, and are thinking about how to manage
regular weekend editathons. We are also considering ways to get the people most
interested in going to those editathons to also run them (empowering them, in
effect).
* there are always going to be a few people who only come one time, just to
check what we're about. Especially after we put in weekly small ads (for free).
We took turns doing the introduction and making sure they made a few edits, so
that as many Wikipedians as possible had done it, and also to make sure that
the Wikipedians themselves could have time to edit. That's also how we tried to
do with the radio and pod cast interviews, to prevent any one person "the
representative Wikipedian".
* you also shouldn't underestimate how much this is a way for stressed
Wikipedians with normally very little time to edit Wikipedia to set aside time
to do it.
Finally, just FYI. During the winter holiday, when the editathons had a few
weeks off, demand for more meetings was so high that we organised a Hangout
remote editathon session just to relieve our feelings of abstinence :-)
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
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Skriv som ett proffs - min senaste bok
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Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like
With all due respect to all parties involved: Can you please take this discussion off-list? It seems to mostly be a matter for a small number of people. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:37:53 -0500 From: mari...@marinkavandam.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like Well, I suppose Kumoiko/Reygula could have reasonably riposted that the proposed email that Arbcom finally did or did not send to his employers was harassment of a sort. However I agree that it seems something of a stretch to accuse you of voting to ban Carol and hand out a mere slap of the wrist to Corbett. On topic, are we going to see some more debate about the Slate piece? Anne/Risker is suggesting there was a basic misunderstanding on the part of the author: that the whole thing had nothing to do with gender gap discrimination but behavior. Would that be your view, Molly? It does strike me as insular. Marinka (a pseudonym) On December 12, 2014 at 2:00 PM gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote: GW, accusing me of hijacking this list for a "vendetta" is a purely untrue and petty accusation. For the last couple of years my goal on the project has been to make it more fair for all editors regardless of status (admin or editor), gender, race, etc. Well, I’m glad you got some of this very pure fight for fairness in around the harassment you were leveraging against other editors. I’ve spoken out against this behavior because I don’t think people engaging in email harassment campaigns against editors such as myself should be allowed on this list any more than they should be allowed on Wikipedia. There has been discussion on this list recently about how there are so few women (and so few people of any gender) running for the Arbitration Committee, and meanwhile one of the ones helping to keep it an incredibly thankless and often unpleasant place to be is continuing to do so on the very same list. With that said, of the 2 of us, which one is responsible for participating in banning Carol, participating in setting in motion the series of events that have lead not only many discussion on this list but on Wikipediocracy and now news articles as well? Here's a hint, its not me. If you read the proposed decision, you’ll see that I did not vote for this. If my participation in the case—where I voted against banning Carol—makes me “responsible for participating in banning Carol,” then we’ll have to agree to disagree. — Molly (GorillaWarfare) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from Sweden :-/ Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] men on lists
Unfortunately, that talk was not accepted to Wikimania, despite quite high grades at the reviewing phase :-/ It seems that the gendergap issue instead is represented by: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Internet_skills_and_the_gender_gap https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Diversity_Workshop:_Gender_gap_strategy_into_action https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Gender_and_Beyond:_Building_Diversity_in_the_Digital_Space and https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Creative_Ways_to_Alienate_Women_Online:_A_How-to_Guide_for_Wikipedians Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:08:25 +0200 From: jane...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] men on lists I agree with Moriel in that "I don't know if we can deal or attempt to fix the gendergap issues in Wikipedia without engaging the men." and there is a Wikimania submission that deals with this: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/What_male_Wikipedians_can_do_to_help_fix_the_gendergap On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM, A. Mani wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > > People's personal experiences don't need studies to back them up. I was thinking about a proper documentation of how it has happened - should be written. Even I know of instances in techtalk list. Best A. Mani A. Mani [Last_Name. First_Name Format] CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Sex Ratios in Wikidata Part III
Some language versions of Wikipedia do have gender categorization, such as Swedish and German Wikipedia. (The English categories exist but are not used very much.) Here's a link to the Swedish ones: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:M%C3%A4n (men) presently 132 211 articles https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Kvinnor (women) presently 32 693 articles This gives a rough proportion of 1 female for every 4 male. article subject. If my memory serves me, the German Wikipedia numbers are a bit higher (perhaps 1 in 6). The categorization was on Swedish Wikipedia a conscious decision to try and find out where we stood. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales > From: andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 20:44:17 +0100 > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Sex Ratios in Wikidata Part III > > On 9 June 2014 20:21, Nathan wrote: > > >> * WIkidata has ~2080k items marked as people > >> * Of these, ~1893k have a "gender" property (91%) > > > Can you define "item" in this context? > > "Item" here is a single Wikidata entry: > > http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q320 > > which may correspond to one Wikipedia article, one hundred Wikipedia > articles, etc - but all on the same topic. (Potentially it may > correspond to *no* Wikipedia articles - it's not strictly required, > and in any case the source article may be deleted - but there's > unlikely to be a statistically large number of these just now) > > > Do we have any comparable data points by which to evaluate our progress? > > Perhaps a similar breakdown of other reference works, or if there is some > > sort of summary data available about biographies written (using LOC data?), > > etc. > > The new Oxford Dictionary of National Biography was about 10% female > when published in 2004, though this was skewed by a limitation to > include all entries from the original, including a lot of - to modern > eyes - very non-notable men. > http://oed.hertford.ox.ac.uk/main/images/stories/articles/baigent2005.pdf > (It's since crept up to ~11%) > > Max has done some numbers based on gender assigned in VIAF entries, I > think, but I can't immediately find it. Ben Schmidt did something > similar based on first names of authors: > http://sappingattention.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/women-in-libraries.html > > -- > - Andrew Gray > andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?
Thanks, again! More links (Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw's text is already in there) and more thoughts. Beautiful! When I saw the number of new mails, I just had to laugh. It's so wonderful to be in this company. This made me want to improve the text even more :-) Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:25:16 -0800 From: phoebe.w...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org CC: susanpgard...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference? Hi Lennart! Not addressing the question of whether we've made any difference... but if you're quoting numbers AFAIK the best research on the gender gap numbers is Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw, from last year: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-wikipedia-gender-gap-revisited which tries to correct for the issues with opt-in surveys. Of course the overall point is, as Mako says, "Overall, these results reinforce the basic substantive finding that women are vastly under-represented among Wikipedia editors." -- phoebe On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it? Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers gmail.com * ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?
Totally agree, Sarah, with your final point, and thanks for all the other tips. It seems my initial point, which can be stated as "little effect so far" stands, but needs to be qualified somewhat. I'll get right on it, and give you guys and gals a link when the whole text is published. Thanks, everybody for your help. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:16 -0800 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference? Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. You can talk to Jonathan Morgan, who co-build the space and was the lead in pulling data if you need to: jmor...@wikimedia.org Laura Hale has been doing some interesting research about the top contributors to English Wikipedia and who write about women's subjects. It's rather depressing, of course. la...@fanhistory.com The research work the Program Evaluation and Design team did about edit-a-thons and workshops shows little to no retention, which is no surprise, really. But, that was not gender specific. My own personal research showed the same, with womencentric events. But, that doesn't mean a dent hasn't been made. Yes, the Education program happens to have a lot of women who contribute, especially successes in Arabic Wikipedia, but, outside of that specific program, the goal isn't to retain, it's to improve content. I suggest people look at the improvement of "women centric" content versus the retention of women editors. The nut still hasn't been cracked (puns so not intended) on user retention through events, etc. We did discover that a lot of content gets created via edit-a-thons and such events, versus the amount of people who stay on as editors. Don't rule out press and the attention the movement has received on the subject. If you look at the partnerships - hell, the UK government basically said "uh hello, we need more women in science on Wikipedia," last week. Awareness is just one component of "making a difference." -Sarah On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Thank you, Pete, I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies of percentage of the sexes studying. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:43:02 -0800 From: petefors...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference? Lennart, You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year appeared to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than men). It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing Wikipedia Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women than men. (This would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way, but might offer insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the numbers.) Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] www.wikistrategies.net On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker wrote: I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of specific actions, for multiple reasons. The most relevant one, however, is the fact that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in a very long time, nor have individual communities to the best of my knowledge. Risker/Anne On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it? Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där var
Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?
Thank you, Pete, I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies of percentage of the sexes studying. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:43:02 -0800 From: petefors...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference? Lennart, You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year appeared to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than men). It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing Wikipedia Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women than men. (This would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way, but might offer insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the numbers.) Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] www.wikistrategies.net On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker wrote: I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of specific actions, for multiple reasons. The most relevant one, however, is the fact that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in a very long time, nor have individual communities to the best of my knowledge. Risker/Anne On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it? Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?
Hello, Thanks for the reply, Anne. So, perhaps the only measure available, is the number from the Teahouse and the individual editathons. I'll look into those, for now. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:37:05 -0500 From: risker...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference? I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of specific actions, for multiple reasons. The most relevant one, however, is the fact that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in a very long time, nor have individual communities to the best of my knowledge. Risker/Anne On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it? Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?
Hello, I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it? Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Some attention for Wikimedia Sverige's gendergap project
Hello, During the last week or so, Wikimedia Sverige's gendergap project has had some media attention. We've had some interest from the media before, mainly before some of our editathons for women (which we've so far had about half a dozen, and will hold many more in the future). But now the interest has started to build, which is good. WMSE's project leader Axel Pettersson and Swedish Women's Lobby's representative Johanna Dahlin was interviewed in Sweden's largest tabloid, Aftonbladet: http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/kvinnaoman/article18259664.ab And the same day, their columnist wrote a positive piece on the gendergap issue: http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/kronikorer/asaerlandson/article18259284.ab Some background: During December and January, I and others have written a series of blog posts about women on Wikipedia, on Wikimedia Sverige's blog. We collected them here. So far, we've covered these topics: * Brainstorming on multipluralism on Wikipedia – thoughts on editathons * Does it matter that Wikipedia has a gendergap? * Why don't women edit Wikipedia? * How do we get more women to edit Wikipedia? * Ten reasons for women edit Wikipedia, part 1 * Ten reasons for women edit Wikipedia, part 2 * Ten reasons for women to edit Wikipedia (short version) * Ten topics for women to write about on Wikipedia They have been read by thousands of people so far, and have been some of our most read blog posts. And more posts are coming. I haven't checked out how Google Translate treat these texts, but if there are any questions, please send them to me, since I have written most of them :-) I have also been to a norm critical course and shared my notes from there, here: https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anteckningar_fr%C3%A5n_Transversala_dialoger (I have still to add the notes from the last session, but I will get to it eventually.) Some material (including links) there could be helpful for others as well, including some group self analysis tools. Also, the discussion on our Facebook group has started to include these topics more frequently, as well as the general discussion on Wikipedia (although a bit less). This is a start, but we're not finished yet. When the budget for this year is approved, we'll know more. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Handy tips for the male academic and editathons in Sweden
Hello, Not sure if this has been linked to before, but I think this is really good: http://tenureshewrote.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/dont-be-that-dude-handy-tips-for-the-male-academic/ By the way, we have just started a series of editathons for women. One of them is happening tonight, and I was recently on the radio talking about it. The hosts were very supportive. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology
By the way, I am constantly surprised at the tone in some of the discussions on Commons. I rarely meet that normally on Swedish WIkipedia. But I am not naive about it. I know that it exists. Some time ago, I wrote a blog post about how there is actually several encyclopedias all rolled together under the same trademark. Each encyclopedia has its own culture, and quality. For instance, the articles about birds on svwp are second to none, even enwp. That's because we have a large ornithologically interested group of Swedish Wikipedians. There, the discussion climate is friendly and result oriented. In other areas, the quality is lower, but so is the level of discussion. http://wikimediasverige.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/det-finns-inte-bara-en-wikipedia/ Here the tone seems hostile and the level of quality low. I wish I had a good answer on how to counter that. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:20:09 + Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology Wow, that escalated fast. All caps and demands. I can in some fashion understand the argument made in the section above (without caps lock), but still, nah. It's gratuitous. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: coot...@mac.com Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:09:49 -0700 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology Hi again, Admin User:Evula attempted to delete them per COM:SCOPE but every single one was immediately restored. People are now yelling at him on his talk page. -- Allie On May 17, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote:Oh, this was not good. I wonder how many of these were taken and uploaded voluntarily. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: coot...@mac.com Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:58:12 -0700 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology Hi all, Can someone please explain to me why Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology (NSFW) even exists? How is a category like this, whatever about the image, remotely encyclopedic or useful to the project? It is populated entirely with sexualized images of women - almost all naked or semi-naked - with only tangential references to computer technology. I'm a computer engineer myself, and a paid-up member of SWE. Given the drive to get more women involved in STEM fields, I see stuff like this as being really damaging. And this is just one single example. -- Allie ___ Gendergap mailing listgender...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology
Wow, that escalated fast. All caps and demands. I can in some fashion understand the argument made in the section above (without caps lock), but still, nah. It's gratuitous. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: coot...@mac.com Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:09:49 -0700 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology Hi again, Admin User:Evula attempted to delete them per COM:SCOPE but every single one was immediately restored. People are now yelling at him on his talk page. -- Allie On May 17, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote:Oh, this was not good. I wonder how many of these were taken and uploaded voluntarily. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: coot...@mac.com Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:58:12 -0700 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology Hi all, Can someone please explain to me why Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology (NSFW) even exists? How is a category like this, whatever about the image, remotely encyclopedic or useful to the project? It is populated entirely with sexualized images of women - almost all naked or semi-naked - with only tangential references to computer technology. I'm a computer engineer myself, and a paid-up member of SWE. Given the drive to get more women involved in STEM fields, I see stuff like this as being really damaging. And this is just one single example. -- Allie ___ Gendergap mailing listgender...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology
Oh, this was not good. I wonder how many of these were taken and uploaded voluntarily. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales From: coot...@mac.com Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:58:12 -0700 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology Hi all, Can someone please explain to me why Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology (NSFW) even exists? How is a category like this, whatever about the image, remotely encyclopedic or useful to the project? It is populated entirely with sexualized images of women - almost all naked or semi-naked - with only tangential references to computer technology. I'm a computer engineer myself, and a paid-up member of SWE. Given the drive to get more women involved in STEM fields, I see stuff like this as being really damaging. And this is just one single example. -- Allie ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [Commons] "Flag this image" prototype
+1 on SJ's comment, and I think Pete made some excellent points on the talk page. For instance: How would this affect the legal team's paid staff time if we place a big red button under each image? I have cc:ed Geoff since he may not be aware of the question. But I would also like to say that this is very well worth checking out. This is the template that is suggested right now (feel free to edit): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:ReportAbuse Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål." Jimmy Wales > Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:58:20 -0400 > From: meta...@gmail.com > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Commons] "Flag this image" prototype > > Interesting. Thanks for the heads-up! SJ > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > Sorry to those who are tired of the image/consent discussions, but > > just wanted to bring this to this list's attention as well. > > > > I'm tagging this thread with "[Commons]" and suggest others do the > > same in future to make it easier for people who do not want to discuss > > Commons or who feel inundated with the subject matter to filter these > > messages. Also, if you're using Google Mail, you can "mute" a thread > > (under the "More" options after you open the thread) and you won't see > > any future responses in your inbox -- other email clients have similar > > features. > > > > Quick notes about an interesting development: > > > > * User:Rillke on Commons has started prototyping a gadget that could > > be used to simplify reporting of various issues with images with a > > simple "Flag this image" workflow. This discussion is on the Commons > > Village Pump. > > > > I've brought that discussion to the attention of WMF legal. Note: It's > > not like the current workflow is completely broken -- the > > Commons:Contact_us flow is actually pretty good -- but a nicer UI and > > more prominent placement could help. The current workflow also does > > not provide an option for consent issues. > > > > * I've summarized the current state of his prototype here: > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reporting_abuse > > > > On the talk page I've also recommended that consent to be displayed in > > an image be considered in the reporting options. > > > > I'm sure Rillke would appreciate any active development help with the > > feature, as well as continued feedback and encouragement (WikiLove?) > > which is crucial for volunteer motivation. > > > > Cheers, > > Erik > > > > -- > > Erik Möller > > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > > > > ___ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > -- > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Meritocracy, the next generation
Hello, I am part of the organizing committe at FSCONS, a very cool conference that started off as a free software conference, but now has tracks on free licences and free culture as well, and some Wikimedia presence as well. This year, I found this gem in the schedule under the header "Meritocracy, next generation" (https://fscons.org/2012/schedule/session/meritocracy-next-generation-part-1/): "In the YAPC conference 2012, Michael G Schwern held a keynote speech on "how good, but homogenous, people can create an unwelcoming community without realizing it". Serengeti invites to a seminar, where we watch that keynote speech together and discus its implications. The seminar is divided into two sessions, which can be attended separately. Michael G Schwern writes about the speech: "This is my 'secret' diversity talk aimed at the guys and focusing on how good, but homogenous, people can create an unwelcoming community without realizing it. The solution lies in restructuring how we make decisions, it lies in Kirk vs Picard. And anybody can be a Picard." Further reading can be had at http://bit.ly/YAPC2012_Keynote The video is published at Youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOxGjNbp_Y"; The video is... interesting. "I can make a bet that there's more Michaels here than women." is but one of the quotes. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] More about the Ada Lovelace initiative
Hello, Something very cool has begun to happen in Sweden. Since the largest daily newspaper wrote about the Ada Lovelace editathon (http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/svenska-wikipeida-skapar-dag-for-kvinnoartiklar), we have seen a buzz in the social media. A Swedish non-profit, Rättviseförmedlingen (the Fairness Bureau), which is devoted to making it easier for media to find female experts, have endorsed it (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151273255534750&set=a.361483174749.189413.361481469749&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply), which so far has been shared several dozen times on Facebook. That has also inspired other to send out invites to women across the internet. One example is this invite: https://www.facebook.com/events/525660827448094/ It has been sent out to 4,500 persons, mostly women, and so far 593 have accepted the invitation. Just to give you some perspective: according to the statistics (http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm), there are about 800 active users (+5 edits) this month on Swedish Wikipedia. So, potentially, women could out-edit men on that day! Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson Personlig blogg Presentation Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Giving Women the Access Code
Yes, a course for very, very unexperienced programers would be great.
And just to continue on that thread about pursuing your passion, I trust you
have seen Sir Ken Robinson talk at TED?
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
Med vänliga hälsningar,
Lennart
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:31:43 -0400
From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Giving Women the Access Code
Nice article, thanks for sharing Lennart!
“She was consistently told by teachers in adolescence, then later
by colleagues, that the things she was interested in were things
women didn’t do, and that there were no good female mathematicians,”
Dr. Pippenger said.
It's reasoning like this, and the one that you quoted below about
stereotypes, kept me from pursuing a degree in computer science. I
remember looking into the school when I was a young undergrad and I
felt so intimidated, and then was told that I'd have to take certain
math classes. Which frustrated me, as I could do basic language
coding and write html off the top of my head. I flunked the math
classes I had to take, and 10 years later found out I had a math
disability. (And it wasn't my parents who were telling me not to do
it, it was professors, etc. Regardless of my poor math skills,
almost every single person I know who codes jokes that "you don't need
to know math." Someday I'll take some classes in something (just
for fun, I suppose)..or perhaps there will be a "N00bs super simple
MediaWiki fun day that even your grandma could learn to code at!"
event.
I'm not disappointed with how my path curved and turned thus far,
but, after reading Unlocking the Clubhouse[1] and every time
I read an article like this, it just reminds me more and more of the
experiences I had as a young person that kept me out of the lab. The
odd thing, is that I ended up entering into a field that is upwards
of 80% dominated by women. I wonder of computer science can take any
cues from museum studies.
On that note, I'm sure I'm not the only person on this mailing list
that took a different path than the one they wanted due to popular
and personal pressure.
Sarah
[1]http://www.amazon.com/Unlocking-Clubhouse-Computing-Jane-Margolis/dp/0262133989
On 4/3/12 3:36 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote:
Hello,
Via Mike Godwin:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/giving-women-the-access-code.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
“Most of the female students were unwilling to go on in
computer science because of the stereotypes they had grown up
with,” said Zachary Dodds, a computer scientist at Mudd. “We
realized we were helping perpetuate that by teaching such a
standard course.”
To reduce the intimidation factor, the course was divided into
two sections — “gold,” for those with no prior experience, and
“black” for everyone else. Java, a notoriously opaque
programming language, was replaced by a more accessible
language called Python. And the focus of the course changed to
computational approaches to solving problems across science.
“We realized that we needed to show students computer science
is not all about programming,” said Ran Libeskind-Hadas,
chairman of the department. “It has intellectual depth and
connections to other disciplines.”
Most of the article is about Dr Maria Klawe, who seems to be a
very inspiring person.
Best wishes,
Lennart
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[Gendergap] Giving Women the Access Code
Hello, Via Mike Godwin: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/giving-women-the-access-code.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 “Most of the female students were unwilling to go on in computer science because of the stereotypes they had grown up with,” said Zachary Dodds, a computer scientist at Mudd. “We realized we were helping perpetuate that by teaching such a standard course.” To reduce the intimidation factor, the course was divided into two sections — “gold,” for those with no prior experience, and “black” for everyone else. Java, a notoriously opaque programming language, was replaced by a more accessible language called Python. And the focus of the course changed to computational approaches to solving problems across science. “We realized that we needed to show students computer science is not all about programming,” said Ran Libeskind-Hadas, chairman of the department. “It has intellectual depth and connections to other disciplines.” Most of the article is about Dr Maria Klawe, who seems to be a very inspiring person. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] A little off-topic, but relevant nontheless: A preschool teacher deals with gender issues
Hello, I just read this wonderful article about how a preschool teacher deals with students who are different in all sorts of ways: http://togetherforjacksoncountykids.tumblr.com/post/14314184651/one-teachers-approach-to-preventing-gender-bullying-in Perhaps someone will be inspired by it. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Hello,
I certainly meant no disrespect. Indeed, that's why I am on this mailinglist.
And I look forward to the time when a larger group from this list can meet,
even if I don't drink beer myself :-)
Best wishes,
Lennart
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From: fraz...@bigpond.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:15:40 +1100
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Hello Lennart,
Thank you for your reply. You made no errors. I was
explaining the feminist take on the word 'lady'. I was not sure that you were
joking by using the term, so I attempted to eliminate the factors which would
normally point to it being a joke. Hence my examination of exclamation
markings,
etc. Had we spoken about this face to face our normal body language would have
clearly indicated we were speaking lightheartedly; boasting our prowess on this
matter over a glass of wine, so to speak. Black words on white screen
backgrounds lack those important nuances. However, thank you for the
extrapolation on the different words.
It is not bad phrasing; I fully understand that it is not
bad phrasing. My response to your email was simply about 'choice'; that is
which
words we choose to use and their impact on society. As we are talking on a
'Gendergap' page I thought it appropriate and reasonable to discuss this point,
but in replying to you I took my explanation to the world of the feminist
thinker, and perhaps that is not appropriate for this list.
Wow, I am stoked, thank you so much for understanding the
simply put discussion about 'male' vs 'female'. Not too many people stop to
think that our constructed formatting follows male-gendered lines, that
is, in the example given, the word 'male' always prominent while
'female' requires another click of the drop down. Today a
similar inequality is still evident in many of our documents, for
example, our own Rules of Association speak in terms of 'he'. 'She' is
taken for granted as read where 'he' appears in various clauses of the
document. Another example, if I may detain you just a little longer, is
our federal and State legislation here in Australia. Up
to the recent past it was always written in terms of the male gender, and
in present recent decades our legislators introduced Acts of
parliament to guide the adoption of plain speech in legislation, and encourage
the introduction of 'non-gender specific language', in an effort, inter alia,
to recognise that nowadays in legislation it is considered to be
discriminatory when the syntax uses only one gender. Your comment: 'to make
the genders equally prominent' is a commendable thought indeed. Thank
you.
Kind regards,
Anne
- Original Message -
From:
Lennart Guldbrandsson
To: Gendergap
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06
PM
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure
which is more depressing
Hello,
First of all, let me explain that English is not my
native language. Sometimes that means that I make errors in grammar or
spelling. In this case, however, that is not the issue. I know the linguistic
value of the term "lady". In Swedish, we have a similar distinction between
"dam" ('lady') and "kvinna" ('woman').
Then we come to the real cause:
the term "find the lady" is not my invention. It's a stock phrase, that
specifically refer to a game, that is also called "three card monte", as you
can see in the article I linked to. In this context, trying to use image
galleries to point out that we have a lack of women as editors, "three card
monte" would have made a meaningless reference. I could have used other
phrases, such as "cherchez la femme" (which is more sinister, I feel), or
"OMG, there's a woman on the interwebs" (which is even less respectful, and
less common), but as an example, I think I got the point across. I apologize
if you felt that it was a bad phrasing.
I too dislike any programming
designs that use male as the standard. I do not think, though, that we should
make female the standard, either. It would make for many false positives (we
know that people don't read all the instructions before clicking "yes"),
which
would make it appear that we suddenly have 95 % new female editors. What we
should do is make the genders equally prominent, if that is not the case
already.
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart
Guldbrandsson,
T
Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Hello,
First of all, let me explain that English is not my native language. Sometimes
that means that I make errors in grammar or spelling. In this case, however,
that is not the issue. I know the linguistic value of the term "lady". In
Swedish, we have a similar distinction between "dam" ('lady') and "kvinna"
('woman').
Then we come to the real cause: the term "find the lady" is not my invention.
It's a stock phrase, that specifically refer to a game, that is also called
"three card monte", as you can see in the article I linked to. In this context,
trying to use image galleries to point out that we have a lack of women as
editors, "three card monte" would have made a meaningless reference. I could
have used other phrases, such as "cherchez la femme" (which is more sinister, I
feel), or "OMG, there's a woman on the interwebs" (which is even less
respectful, and less common), but as an example, I think I got the point
across. I apologize if you felt that it was a bad phrasing.
I too dislike any programming designs that use male as the standard. I do not
think, though, that we should make female the standard, either. It would make
for many false positives (we know that people don't read all the instructions
before clicking "yes"), which would make it appear that we suddenly have 95 %
new female editors. What we should do is make the genders equally prominent, if
that is not the case already.
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson,
Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05
Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se
Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal
Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
http://www.1av3.se
From: fraz...@bigpond.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:06:49 +1100
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Hi Lennart,
On 22 December 2011 Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson
wrote:
"..."Find the lady"?"
If you had placed an exclamation mark after the word
'lady', rather than a question over the whole sentence, I would have got the
joke about 'lady'. In the absence of an intended irony with the use of the word
'lady' I'll take it you really mean 'lady'. Therefore I'd like to let you
know that the women's movement (historically - first, second and third waves)
have fought against honorific titles such as 'lady' to describe and understand
'what women want'.
At the very least the term 'lady' is not
meaningful across cultural lines north, south, east, or west of our world.
European tradition, particularly English, is where it is the most
meaningful in the most constricting and negative of senses where it has been
used against females - girls (children) and women - in that
rather than a nation socially growing it's female population in all facets of
life's energy and creativity, females has been kept down over the centuries
and one of the ways of penetrating the female psyche to reinforce the
necessity of this down trodden existence is to remind a female that she much be
a 'lady' and ladies don't do this and that, but must do this and that, all
decided by a masculine controlled society and reinforced over the
years by compliant females being taught to support this social
construct.
So Lennart, women and girls want to decide the simple and
the enormity of their lives. A great number of females whose consciousness has
been raised and so recognise the existing inequalities over all
societies will not want to be named 'ladies' in discussions about what women
want.
Here's a simple dilemma right now - for the programmers.
Why do the drop down windows on many sign up sights have in the window 'male'
and if you are a female you have to click on the down button and select
'female'. This question is not trite by any means. It goes to the heart of how
our female and male programmers construct and think about what they are
implementing. My question is: Do female programmers use this same format? Has
any female programmer been bold enough to reverse the order? Let
the 'female' word be in the static window, and let the males have to
click the drop down to select their gender.
Anne Frazer
Wikimedia Australia
- Original Message -----
From:
Lennart Guldbrandsson
To: Gendergap
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure
which is more depressing
Maybe a campaign, based on the phrase "Find the lady"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Find_the_Lady
Best
wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson,
Tfn: 031 - 12
50
Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Maybe a campaign, based on the phrase "Find the lady"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Find_the_Lady Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se From: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:38:24 + Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing Yes, that is a good idea. Here are plenty of pics to choose from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_meetups Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se > From: e...@wikimedia.org > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:33:40 -0800 > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson > wrote: > > Perhaps the solution is to create a gendergap template, instead of having to > > bring up the same points over and over. > > I think we should have a re-usable collage of all the photos of > meetups attended (almost) exclusively by male Wikipedians. with the > caption "Notice anything missing?". Sometimes pictures are more > persuasive than text. > > -- > Erik Möller > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Yes, that is a good idea. Here are plenty of pics to choose from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_meetups Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se > From: e...@wikimedia.org > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:33:40 -0800 > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson > wrote: > > Perhaps the solution is to create a gendergap template, instead of having to > > bring up the same points over and over. > > I think we should have a re-usable collage of all the photos of > meetups attended (almost) exclusively by male Wikipedians. with the > caption "Notice anything missing?". Sometimes pictures are more > persuasive than text. > > -- > Erik Möller > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:17:32 -0800 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] I'm not sure which is more depressing I understand not everyone sits around and reads statistical data about women, Wikimedia, open source communities, etc, but, it's really weird that in a community that relies on citations and statistical data, that they repeatedly deny/dimiss the concept of the gender gap, throw it to the wayside and think its either not a problem or not worth mentioning. How many times do I have to have this conversation? Sarah [[User:SarahStierch]] en.wp ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap Perhaps the solution is to create a gendergap template, instead of having to bring up the same points over and over. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] A nice mix - our edit-a-thon sure shook up the gender gap!
Great, Sarah! I don't know if I've said it before, but you really are one of the best Wikipedians I've known. Passionate without being unfriendly, plenty of good ideas (that you also help to realize), and a welcoming heart. Thanks for being you. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:00:12 -0500 > From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Gendergap] A nice mix - our edit-a-thon sure shook up the gender > gap! > > Hi folks, > > I'm going to be a little selfish here, so pardon me. But, yesterday I > coordinated a "fine art" themed edit-a-thon at our local downtown > library, here in Washington, DC, followed by a meet-up at a local pub. > I'm proud to say we had 13 people at the edit-a-thon, and six were > women. The meetup? We had 16 people and 9 were women!! These numbers > might seem small compared to larger events, but, to have an event like > this, and have such a healthy mix, made me so happy. > > User:Aude, the President of Wikimedia DC joked "I remember when it'd be > just me and Mindspillage, as the only women," and we gushed about having > such a healthy group of "all genders" at the event. I noticed, when > saying goodbye to people, that I got a bit emotional - not only did we > have a gender-mixed Wiki-event, but, we also actually wrote new articles > and expanded articles - and anyone who attends an edit-a-thon knows - > it's often chaos and just socializing, not actual editing. > > You can see our outcomes here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_26/To-do_list#OUTCOMES > > Which includes new articles or expanded articles about seven women > artists!!! > > Obviously, I'm on a bit of a high from this, as I love outreach and > coordinating things like this; I do believe the power of invitation > helped with the success of this event. I don't use bots for invitations, > and I do my best to individually reach out to people "I hope you'll be > there." I genuinely do believe that invitation is one of the strongest > keys in making sure that events, participation, and programs succeed in > regards to closing the gender gap. > > Thanks for letting me gush =) One event, for me, leads to one more woman > feeling inspired to continue participating. It also shows that offline > events make for such a rewarding experience - we get to come together, > put our differences aside, and work together for the common cause of > providing free knowledge to the world. One woman who came had never > written a new article - and this was her first time - and she really was > proud. That just made me so happy. > > I also got to meet Carol Moore, which was rather epic, I must say. :) > > -Sarah > > > -- > Sarah Stierch Consulting > -- > Historical, cultural, new media & artistic research & advising. > http://www.sarahstierch.com > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The gendergap on Swedish television
Their very new website is http://wikifem.wordpress.com/ but there is only a
short "We are going to start" type of notice there yet. We have emailed them.
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson,
Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05
Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se
Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal
Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/
Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
http://www.1av3.se
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:36:03 -0500
From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] The gendergap on Swedish television
Very cool Lennart. I regret I don't know Swedish, but, this is
exciting none the less =)
Do you know of any on Wiki or online links to the gender gap group,
or is it specifically a mailing list?
Thanks for sharing this,
Sarah
On 12/14/11 5:33 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote:
Hello,
Recently, Swedish television had quite a long bit about the
gendergap:
http://svtplay.se/v/2644848/kulturnyheterna/14_12_19_00
Apparently (it caused us a little bit of a surprise), there is a
Wikipedia gendergap group in Sweden, and it has some cool
supporters, including a professor in History. They have recently
started, but we intend to keep in contact.
Best wishes,
Lennart
Lennart Guldbrandsson,
Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05
Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se
Användarsida:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal
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[Gendergap] The gendergap on Swedish television
Hello, Recently, Swedish television had quite a long bit about the gendergap: http://svtplay.se/v/2644848/kulturnyheterna/14_12_19_00 Apparently (it caused us a little bit of a surprise), there is a Wikipedia gendergap group in Sweden, and it has some cool supporters, including a professor in History. They have recently started, but we intend to keep in contact. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com / lenn...@wikimedia.se Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se http://www.1av3.se ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting]
Sarah's conclusions are in sync with what I've heard from the team at the Wikimedia Foundation. But, and that's a crucial point, the goal with the collaborations with the universites is not to make everyone a Wikipedian. I know, that may be strange or counter-intuitive. It certainly was for me. Instead, the goal is to increase the quality of those articles that they university courses are working on, and if some of those who edited during the course stays on as Wikipedians, that's terrific, but it cannot be the goal. I am sure that Frank Schulenburg, Rod Dunican, LiAnna Davis or the other people in the (now) Global Education team can provide more insight into their original thinking. Or Pete Forsythe, for that matter, who I know is on this list. I know that is but one of the aspects of Sarah's email, but it's the one aspect I know something about :-) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:30:10 -0400 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting] I took some time last week and actually went through the "female" editors (many of the students openly identify their real names and/or genders) participating in class programs. 1) Most don't edit Wikipedia after the class is over - and this goes beyond gender. I determined this by studying their user contributions and also using a tool to examine contributions and gender for specific WikiProjects (specifically WP:Public art which developed as a program with students before the Campus Ambassador program existed) 2) A nice amount of them generally get slaps on the hand for their lack of understanding on "How Wikipedia Works" I'm not sure if this means that something in the system is broken (i.e. we're not educating students and professors on how Wikipedia works write, we're not providing ongoing outreach - which seems to be a problem in a lot of areas of WP outreach...), that the students genuinely have no interest (and that's fine, they are "forced" to do it, after all), or what.. Some of these problems involve image deletion (due to lack of understanding on how fair use/copyright works in Wikipedia), article deletion, blocking of accounts, or just plain calling people out on their talk pages. I didn't gather all this information in a pile - I've looked at upwards of a thousand female editors accounts over the past two weeks - but, it's there, if you dig around a bit. -Sarah On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: Help is needed. Fred --- Original Message Subject: Issue of Copy-Pasting From:"Hisham" Date:Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am To: "Wikipedia Ambassadors India" wikipedia-online-ambassad...@googlegroups.com - Hi Team This problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions. Please see these comments <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community> and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_quality> Please urgently do the following a) Constantly repeat to every student that copy-pasting is not acceptable b) Monitor the work of your students - and make sure they edit in their sandboxes before they go live (and only go live after you ok it.) c) Please let's have the Campus & Online Ambassadors working closely with each other to do point (b) and to track, monitor and correct the work of your respective students. In the next few days and weeks, the problem is going to explode unless we control it because many students' deadlines are approaching. Please treat this matter with the highest urgency. The very future of our program is at stake. Many thanks. hisham ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art and Sarah Stierch ConsultingHistorical, cultural & artistic research & advising. -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Geek girl smash
And of course, the header makes absolutely no sense, unless you know that I found that comic on the Geek Girl Smash blog, pasted the title into the header of that mail, and *then* traced the source back to Shoeboxblog. Sorry for that. /L Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ From: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:42:19 + Subject: [Gendergap] Geek girl smash Hello, I don't know if it's been discussed before, but I found this cartoon which I thought was a bit fitting for this list: http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=19380 Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Geek girl smash
Hello, I don't know if it's been discussed before, but I found this cartoon which I thought was a bit fitting for this list: http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=19380 Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
By the way, here is the current discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hannibal#Misleading_boilerplate_text_in_user_pages Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:27:08 -0400 From: sydney.po...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart. I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of non-tech minded people. Sydney Poore On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway). When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used. (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ > From: jutta@cancer.org.au > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000 > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 > > From: Pete Forsyth > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs > > of women > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > > > > Message-ID: > > > 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Update, and a request: > > > > The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about > > 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. > > > > This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing > Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious > in the interface. > > I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing > Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard > and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account > creation > :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal > In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', > the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' > instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to > us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was > a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up > showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the > Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer > profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... > > I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is > "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-) > > Cheers, > Jutta > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Hello, Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway). When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used. (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ > From: jutta@cancer.org.au > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000 > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 > > From: Pete Forsyth > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs > > of women > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > > > > Message-ID: > > > 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Update, and a request: > > > > The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about > > 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. > > > > This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing > Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious > in the interface. > > I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing > Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard > and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account > creation > :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal > In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', > the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' > instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to > us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was > a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up > showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the > Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer > profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... > > I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is > "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-) > > Cheers, > Jutta > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example
Manypedia is a really cool thing. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ > From: pa...@gnuband.org > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:04:50 +0200 > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example > > You can compare how different language Wikipedias use images in the > same article using Manypedia. > All images appearing in the articles are conveniently grouped on top > of it, and if you mouse over them, you can see a larger version. > > For example, below you find links of comparisons of the page "Bikini" > between English and Chinese, Czech, Persian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian > http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|zh > http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|cs > http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|fa > http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ja > http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ko, > http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|lv > > But you can search any page in any language and compare it with any > other language just using the controls on top of the interface. > > We've created Manypedia with the goal of easing > cross-linguistic/cultural investigations so I would love to hear your > feedback about it. > Enjoy! ;) > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Emily Monroe wrote: > > How about using the German article to help out with the English one, and > > refactoring/deleting anything on the talk page that talks about anything > > except the article it's attached to? > > > > From, > > Emily > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arnaud HERVE > > wrote: > >> > >> I just found an example which seems to me exemplary of a male dominated > >> disaster : > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini > >> > >> In the Article page what struck me as wrong was : > >> > >> 1) The Sports bikini in beach volleyball photo, which has non pertinent > >> erotic content imho > >> > >> 2) The chapter about male underwear, which seems to me so inappropriate > >> AND ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it. > >> > >> In the Discussion page there is totally male point of view discussion > >> about whether the girl in red is in good shape enough. > >> > >> Then there is the raging Outrage comment which I fear might become > >> systematic if you leave the door opened for that. I have never seen a > >> kid being shocked by going to the beach and seeing bikinis. That's a > >> perverse erotic assumption imho, under the guise of high morality. > >> > >> I took the time to have a look at the German page : > >> > >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini > >> > >> 1) The first photo is semantically right, it shows better that bikinis > >> are used to go the beach and swimming > >> > >> 2) The history chapter is better developed > >> > >> 3) The gallery and the drawings aptly show different kinds of bikinis > >> > >> 4) No ridiculous male underwear content > >> > >> Also, there was a beach sports photo which seemed to me much better and > >> devoid of erotic content yesterday. But sadly it's been removed at the > >> moment I speak. It was this one : > >> > >> > >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beach_volleyball-Huntington_Beach-California_1.jpg > >> > >> Ah yes and also the discussion on the German page is more competent and > >> calm imho. > >> > >> So as a conclusion, the German bikini page represents for me a right > >> state of mind and proper educational content, fit to be used in a school > >> with students interested in fashion. The English page seems to me more > >> influence by more or less lunatic authors, or authors less interested in > >> knowledge. > >> > >> Arnaud > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > ___ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Paolo Massa > Email: paolo AT gnuband DOT org > Blog: http://gnuband.org > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica
Interesting! I don't know if you know about the categories that exist on some Wikipedias, for instance German and Swedish Wikipedia: namely the categories for articles about men and women respectively. On Swedish you can find the super-category here: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Personer_efter_k%C3%B6n Män = Men Kvinnor = Women Those numbers suggest that for each article about a woman on Swedish Wikipedia, there are 4,29 about men. That is a little bit better than the German Wikipedia (1 woman, 5,85 men). As you can see from the interwiki links, some other languages also have these categories. English Wikipedia in fact have an impressive 1,65 articles about *women* for every article about men. All *38* of the women article towers of the 23 men articles :-) Time to fill in those categories? Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:39:30 -0700 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: joseph.2...@reagle.org; gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] fyi: Gender Bias in Wikipedia and Britannica Thanks for the article link, Joseph. I haven't yet finished the article, but I do have a couple of preliminary questions: * Do you know what the ratio of male to female contributors is at Encyclopedia Britannica? * Why the emphasis on female biographies? It seems like a weak indicator of gender bias (as reflected by the WikiSym study). Do we really know that women are significantly more likely to write about women than men are? If so, how much more likely? Ryan Kaldari On 9/2/11 6:54 AM, Joseph Reagle wrote: http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/gender-bias-in-wp-eb Abstract: Is there a bias in the against women's representation in Wikipedia biographies? Thousands of biographical subjects, from six sources, are compared against the English-language Wikipedia and the online Encyclopædia Britannica with respect to coverage, gender representation, and article length. We conclude that Wikipedia provides better coverage and longer articles, that Wikipedia typically has more articles on women than Britannica in absolute terms, but Wikipedia articles on women are more likely to be missing than articles on men relative to Britannica. For both reference works, article length did not consistently differ by gender. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] New portal on dawiki
Agreed about the pink part. But I commend you on using a group photo of women. Visible women are needed. Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:17:06 +0200 From: nina.wikipe...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] New portal on dawiki I agree it is too pink. But congratulation the ide is great. -- Nina nina.wikipe...@gmail.com On torsdag 23. juni 2011 at 14.06, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote: Last year, I had a discussion with a couple of the female editors on the Danish-language Wikipedia. They have now created a women's portal: http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder. I find it a bit... pink, but I am outside the target demographic, so my opinion is rather irrelevant :-) Regards, Ole -- http://palnatoke.org * @palnatoke * +4522934588 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
I am not going to defend the stereotypical figure of Wikipe-tan. However, the rationale of using a female character in Welcome to Wikipedia can be seen in at least two ways: a) the way you described, and b) that we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't. If we had picked a male character in the learning position, that could have been seen as continuing to speak to men. We worked all the time (and several women were involved in this process, including Sue Gardner), trying to focus as her as a person, not as a woman. I am sorry if I am speaking out of turn here. I just wanted to explain the thinking behind it. Now, I'll shut up and hope that we come back to the important part about creating more female rolemodels. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:56:49 -0400 From: artisticaltru...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia I find it interesting that both comic images (Sara and WIkipe-tan) perpetuate female stereotypes: - Sara gets to be the person who doesn't know what she's doing. I think the intentions behind this were probably good, but it seems like most ads have the woman as the clueless one. For example, when you want to explain something at the simplest level, you're often told to speak as if you are talking to "Aunt Agatha" instead of "Uncle Fred". - Wikipe-tan is the one chosen to enforce wiki love, which is another role stereotypically given to females. I guess it's a Rosie the Riveter reference more than an Uncle Sam one, but still, one tells you to go and work, the other tells you to go spread wikiLove (and I don't exactly know what that means in the context of Wikipedia since I've never been the recipient of any wiki love for any of my work on the WMF projects). It does make me feel a bit better, however, that people are being encouraged to spread wiki love, even if I haven't benefited from this directly as a result of my editing on the WMF projects. The worse one for me is this one of jumping Wikipe-tan with the tiny apron: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jumping_Wikipe-tan.png?uselang=de I actually like anime and manga (see my Wikipedia edit history for proof), but that one is going way too far for my taste. 2011/3/20 Juliana da Costa José Additional: I really love the first sentence here [1]: "Wikipe-tan is one of the personifications of Wikipedia." So if you see the following pictures (my favourites are this [2] and [3]) and see a child-eyed girl in french-roommade-dress and hold-ups cleaning so it says a lot about the picture of women a lot of Wikipedians (both genders!) accepted as normal. Very diagnostically conclusive for the picture of females in Wikipedia is this [4] But maybe I am just a comic-banause because I do not like funny mangas or animes. I am sorry about this... I worked very long in jobs women were just scored by optical an sexual clichees, maybe this made me a little bit touchy... J. 1 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipe-tan?uselang=de 2 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Uncle_Wikipe-tan_%28show_some_WIKILOVE%29.png 3 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe_tan_by_SigurdHosenfeld.png 4 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jimbo_and_Wikipe-tan.jpg?uselang=de ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- "Only the shallow know themselves." - Oscar Wilde ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
Hello, I agree. We have at least one female rolemodel, though, and she's seen by thousands of people thanks to the Ambassadors Programme: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Welcome2WP_English_082310.pdf&page=1 Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:00:15 +0100 > From: julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia > > Hello, > > my problem in Wikipedia is, that we have not many rolemodels who are > not very known outside of the Wikim/pedia world. The only one, who is > constant in media is Sue. > Sue is wonderful, but where are the other faces of Wikim/pedia? Where > are the other women, why are they hiding? > > Ok, we had a Wikimedia-Clip made last year with some female faces. I > like this clip very much, but there you see more male faces than > female again and for animate women to envolve themselves, it is too > special and for my taste too "Wikim/pedia-exclusive". > > My oppinion is, if we want to win females, we need more visible female > Wikim/pedians. > > Just my 2 cents. > > J. > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos
Thanks for the ideas. About wikimeetups: everybody else is waiting for you to announce one. Once you do, they will come. About the culture: I think Steven Walling's presentation is one of the most succinct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Good luck with the editing. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:04:15 -0600 From: carissawodeho...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] How to use Wiki videos Hi, Yep I do find both of those videos too basic (http://www.howcast.com/videos/317521-How-To-Edit-a-Wikipedia-Article and http://www.commoncraft.com/wikipedia-video). I get the nuts and bolts of how to click around, I know basic html when I see it, and I remember neutral tone and proper citations from college and time in publishing (but gotta love a video on the internet that explains that you need an internet connection). The Howcast referenced the Wiki:Cite page, which I then find confusing because I don't get when to use each citation method. A Strunk & White version of the rules is what I need! There's so many women in publishing, that could be a good group to target for women on Wiki involvement, as someone said before. I just need to know how wiki editing is similar and different from AP Style, for example. I would also be interested in a video that explains the community, which is both one of the primary barriers and primary motivations I have for participating. I didn't know about barnstars and awards, for example. Then I eventually found this Editor Assistance page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance) which looks like something handy-- I didn't know there was a place to ask for help. Then, what are user talk, user boxes, who gives awards, who are some key figures (Jimbo, etc), what is the user/editor/moderator relationship, and what are some things that can happen once I start editing and interacting. That's what a video would be handy for. It all feels like trying to get into Lost in the last season-- all these time tunnels and smoke monsters that I couldn't trace to their original form if I tried. Sadly, I see no meet ups in Portland or Mexico City, yet... Thanks, Carissa ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
