Re: [Gendergap] Upskirt/downblouse categories (was: Re: So this is how Commons works?)

[Chris Keating]

  Especially when the images are scraped off the CC-BY and CC-BY-SA Flickr
  streams.
 
 That was something I noticed the other day. An anon replaced the
 infobox image on Veganism with a close-up shot of a woman's genitals
 and a vibrator. I looked to see who had uploaded it and it said Flickr
 upload bot. So is there a bot that uploads all cc images from Flickr
 indiscriminately?


Apparently a bot does the work, but a human has to ask for them.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Flickr_upload_bot

Chris
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Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap humor

[Chris Keating]

O.M.G.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:

 :))

 A.

 --- On *Wed, 14/9/11, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org* wrote:


 From: Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap humor
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 2:04


 Another blatant violation of the Principle of least astonishment:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_drive

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[Gendergap] Monitoring impact on female participation

[Chris Keating]

So how can we measure what impact we're having on getting women to
participate?

Over the next few months Wikimedia UK's very going to be adopting a rather
more formal set of reporting procedures. I just wondered if people on this
list had any thoughts about how we could build in some gender impact
assessment into this reporting.

It should be fairly easy for the Board to ask for statistics on how many of
the people attending events are men and how many are women. Ideally we would
also have statistics on how many people attending events *who then go on to
edit/join/otherwise take part* available by gender. It should be even easier
to monitor the diversity of our staff (currently we have 2, both are male)
and Wikimedians in Residence (also currently 2, both male) and indeed the
board (err 7 men) - hopefully these statistics will be a bit better in a
year's time.

Does anyone have any more thoughts on how we should approach this?

Regards,

Chris

PS. Also, you might be interested to know that we've identified a £10k
budget for broadening impact - i.e. additional funding for projects which
are aimed at women, Scotland, Wales, ethnic or linguistic minorities - I
think this is a good thing but we do need to make sure the remaining £500k
isn't spent only on white Englishmen ;-)
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Re: [Gendergap] Geek girl smash

[Chris Keating]

There's this great text-based MMORPG I know where you pretend you're
creating this kind of online encyclopedia it's really addictive, some
people take it a bit too seriously, though... ;-)

/spam


On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 Oh lonely nerds...reminds me of high school.

 ::rolls a 10 sided to help close the gap::

 -Sarah


 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote:

  And of course, the header makes absolutely no sense, unless you know that
 I found that comic on the Geek Girl Smash blog, pasted the title into the
 header of that mail, and *then* traced the source back to Shoeboxblog. Sorry
 for that.

 /L


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 Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
 Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost:
 l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida:
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg:
 http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/

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 From: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:42:19 +
 Subject: [Gendergap] Geek girl smash


  Hello,

 I don't know if it's been discussed before, but I found this cartoon which
 I thought was a bit fitting for this list:

 http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=19380

 Best wishes,

 Lennart

 Lennart Guldbrandsson,
 Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
 Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost:
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Re: [Gendergap] More Dangerous to be a Woman Than a Soldier

[Chris Keating]

On the whole I think our military history articles aren't great at dealing
with sexual violence, on a number of dimensions.

For instance, there was a large amount of well-documented rape and sexual
mutiliation of Vietnamese women by U.S. forces in Vietnam, but the Vietnam
War article doesn't cover this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Women_in_Vietnam

You will be relieved to know that is has more paragraphs devoted to the
American nurses who served in Vietnam than to anything about Vietnamese
women. Apparently this is because, on the American side at least, many men
reported that having women in the field with them boosted their
morale. Although
this was not the women’s purpose, it was one positive result of the their
service.

I'm sure you'll agree that a bit of morale-boosting is far more worthy of
comment than other services provided by nurses, e.g. medical care.

Sexual violence by Americans in Vietnam is also missing from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape - though of course that article does
adequately cover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women - evidently rape
is better-covered when it is Asians doing the raping rather than being
raped. One wonders why.

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[Gendergap] Please help - female faces for fundraiser in UK

[Chris Keating]

Hello,

Just a quick favour to ask any women on this list who are based in, or have
links to, the UK

I'm leading Wikimedia UK's participation in the fundraiser and am keen to
make sure we have fundraising banners which aren't just men, men and more
men. There are various appeals produced by the Foundation featuring people
like Sue, Maryana and Sarah, but some of these are too specific to the USA
or to the Foundation.

So please give me a shout if you're a British (or even vaguely British ;-)
) woman happy to talk about why Wikipedia is so cool, or if you know
someone who might fit the bill. I currently have a very short (but
non-zero) list of people to follow up so any help much appreciated. :-)

Chris
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[Gendergap] Surplus women and World War I

[Chris Keating]

Dear all,

Just wanted to let you know about some interesting contributions to the
Wikimedia article gender balance from a slightly unexpected source.

On Saturday, Wikimedia UK had a World War I-themed Editathon[1], where we
essentially put a lot of Wikimedians and a group of academics in a room and
asked them to help improve coverage of World War I.

The gender balance was markedly better amongst the academics we'd invited
(4 men, 3 women) than among the Wikimedians (20 men, no women at all) -
which prompted quite a lot of debate about gender balance among Wikimedia
volunteers (not very good) and also about the gender balance of Wikipedia's
coverage of  the topic (also, not very good!). It might also be that we'd
taken a lot of steps to promote the event amongst the English Wikipedia's
large and active military history community (which probably has worse than
average gender balance, at a guess).

I'm pleased to say that one of the outcomes from the event is an article,
currently in sandbox but well worthy of a DYK nom when in due course, on
the topic of Surplus women - a demographic imbalance that existed (or was
perceived) in Western Europe in the industrial era, accentuated by the mass
slaughter of World War I, and hitherto completely absent from Wikipedia.
You can have a look at it here :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ErrantX/Sandbox/Surplus_women

Many thanks,

Chris
Wikimedia UK


[1] http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon
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Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch

[Chris Keating]

 I suppose watching myself get nominated for deletion just makes me want to
 say try to improve before you delete. But, when I graduated high school I
 was voted most likely to be serial killer, the US president, and the class
 clown. So.. whatever ;)


was there any independent coverage of that... if so, it's going in the
article :-)
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Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch

[Chris Keating]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

  HAHAHA. Yes, page 106. A young unhappy goth with her dad in New
 Orleans. My necklace spells out riot grrrl.


Well, you're definitely the Wikipedian in residence in that book.

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Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

[Chris Keating]

 Hopefully they aren't proposing a standard tougher than than on all the
 other mailing lists, none of which I personally belong to.



Oddly enough I've just made that point on-wiki. (Before I'd properly read
your email!)

That said I *do* think this list could do with more active moderation. (The
same is true of many other lists but I think this list when working well
has higher value, and because it's a smaller, more focused list such
moderation is more likely to happen).

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[Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Chris Keating]

Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but:

Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among otherwise
well-intentioned community members.

This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play
leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators
and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem
because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can
sometimes be a tool to exclude people.

How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to help
broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the point of
view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless roles
better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks.

It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer
input); could it help?

Chris
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Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

[Chris Keating]

This is also part of the problem - we have helpful contributions from
people like Reguyla / Kumioko who is basically here to complain about how
awful Arbcom are. Some months ago he was engaged in a campaign of personal
abuse against arbitrators which to be frank is exactly the kind of thing
that drives people away from those positions.
On 12 Dec 2014 17:38, regu...@gmail.com regu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Its not surprising that the arbcom would not like comments and be
 critical of a venue they do not control and cannot themselves silence
 critical comments about their decisions. I finf it unfortunate that an arb
 doesnt want to join the mailing list merely because some people here do not
 share the view that the arbcoms decisions are not all gold.



 I do agree that there were some comments that are off topic but thats true
 of all the lists, not just this one.



 In the end, to me, if the arbs decide not to join this list because they
 fear discussion, then we probably dont need them anyway and if they are
 unwilling to listen or discuss issues pertaining to the project, including
 poor decisions made by them, then that makes my thought process all the
 more true.



 Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device





 -- Original message--

 *From: *Carol Moore dc

 *Date: *Fri, Dec 12, 2014 11:20 AM

 *To: *Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects;

 *Subject:*[Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like



 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboarddiff=637703278oldid=637701678
 Is a comment by an Arbitrator about things written last month or so here,
 none by me, they don't like.

 Thinks it's necessary the moderators get a grip on some of the things
 being said there. (Moderator comments welcome here for guidance.)

 *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-November/004930.html

 a posting about legal repercussions

 *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005008.html

 suggesting doxxing/opposition research

 *https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005068.html
 plans to
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005079.html
 block vote at ArbCom elections with new editors recruited at editathons.
  (actually just a suggestion by an annoyed editor)

 Hopefully they aren't proposing a standard tougher than than on all the
 other mailing lists, none of which I personally belong to.

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Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

[Chris Keating]

I don't think you were on the Wikimedia Conference programme committee,
Sarah - that's the one I was referring to...

Wikimania is a different kettle of fish - ideally we'd have something at
both :)

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 It's a good idea - I'm also on the programme committee (or at least, I
 have been the past three years..haven't heard any details on the upcoming
 Wikimania yet).

 -Sarah

 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me
 to propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which
 I'm on the programme committee?

 Chris

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger 
 christina.bur...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the
 point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for
 1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community
 projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia
 as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional
 background of doing workshops with young adults in political
 education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their
 existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other.
 Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this
 knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my
 professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields.

 Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity
 workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of
 introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diversity
 guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charting_diversity), that
 theoretically frame the approach on diversity to the specifics of the
 Wikimedia world. If I get some positive feedback on offering this
 workshop at Wikimania–ideally not alone but with another interested
 person–I am not sure what the best way to proceed is: Wait for the
 submission process, or get in touch with the organizers to ask for a
 room and time for this special workshop (as others did in the past)?

 I had drafted a proposal for our diversity conference back in 2013
 that we could use and build upon - (it was very general at that time,
 today I would address more the specfics of WM-movements..):

 Diversity? Deal with it! – Diversity as a concept has long development
 in management and especially in human ressource management in order to
 practically deal with diversity of people coming and working together
 from different backrounds and levels of knowledge. This 45-min lasting
 workshop you will actively engage in situations what actually to do
 and how possibly to act when divers and different opinions, people and
 backgrounds and communication cultures come together. Different
 strategies will be developed within the group participants leaving
 them with set of tools and strategies how to deal with diversity in
 real life and the online world.

 I am very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

 Warmly,
 Christina

 Christina Dinar
 Team Communitys

 Volunteer Support


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 Tel. (030) 219 158 260
 Mobil: +49 17639238378
 http://wikimedia.de

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 Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
 unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
 Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.


 2014-12-14 23:06 GMT+01:00 Jim Hayes slowki...@gmail.com:

 yes, training could work at wikimania

 the education foundation and eval. folks had seminars during hackathon,
 and a track at London
 https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme

 what would a required list of HR, managment seminars look like?


 On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've added myself to the list of interested people :)

 Thinking out loud, would that kind of thing work in person at the
 Wikimedia Conference and/or Wikimania?
 On 12 Dec 2014 19:33, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for
 admins:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training

 And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing
 training for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased 
 to
 see something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was 
 worth
 trying.

 It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on
 functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day
 interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to
 facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity).




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[Gendergap] Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training for functionaries)

[Chris Keating]

Hi Anne, Kerry and Christina - and everyone else,

So the Wikimedia Conference programme committee appears keen to do
something useful in terms of creating space for gender - gap work. So I
wondered if you had any further thoughts about what *might* work at the
Wikimedia Conference.

As Anne points out it is an audience of people from Wikimedia movement
organisations - board members, executive directors (where they exist), and
a smaller number of other staff. Compared to other Wikimedia events there
is probably a greater language and geographical diversity. There is also a
reasonable degree of awareness of the issue - better than one would find if
you put english Wikipedia administrators in a room.

The main focus for the conference is going to be on helping Wikimedia
organisations grow, learn and improve - we are looking to give people
practical outcomes, and are avoiding theoretical discussion as far as
possible.

Thoughts on what we can put in the programme on this issue are very welcome
:) (I'll pass everything on to the programme committee, though I suspect
I'm not the only member of it subscribed to this list).

Thanks and happy new year!

Chris
On 19 Dec 2014 07:21, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can I suggest that the Wikimedia Conference do a train-the-trainer
 session with a view to the chapters running sessions locally in addition to
 the Wikimania session. Not many people get to go to Wikimania so the
 chapters approach would be more scalable.



 Kerry




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 *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
 participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries



 While it might be suitable as a pilot at the Wikimedia Conference (I
 promise not to harp on the name here), it's a by-invitation conference
 focused on chapter/affiliate executives, many of whom have very limited
 on-wiki presence.  I'm not persuaded that they're the target audience.



 In fact, I'd suggest this would probably be best suited to a full-day
 session targeted at active Wikimedia project administrators and those with
 higher level permissions (think: oversighters, who frequently deal with
 requests from women who feel harassed because of gender; checkusers
 tracking down sockpuppets of harassers, and stewards, who can act in either
 role on projects that don't have their own CU/OS).  There is not
 much overlap between these active on-wiki leaders and the leaders of
 chapters/affiliates.  Strikes me that this would be more ideal for
 Wikimania, perhaps as a pre-WM session if that can be arranged.



 Risker/anne



 On 18 December 2014 at 11:04, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me to
 propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which I'm
 on the programme committee?



 Chris



 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger 
 christina.bur...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the
 point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for
 1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community
 projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia
 as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional
 background of doing workshops with young adults in political
 education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their
 existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other.
 Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this
 knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my
 professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields.

 Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity
 workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of
 introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diversity
 guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charting_diversity), that
 theoretically frame the approach on diversity to the specifics of the
 Wikimedia world. If I get some positive feedback on offering this
 workshop at Wikimania–ideally not alone but with another interested
 person–I am not sure what the best way to proceed is: Wait for the
 submission process, or get in touch with the organizers to ask for a
 room and time for this special workshop (as others did in the past)?

 I had drafted a proposal for our diversity conference back in 2013
 that we could use and build upon - (it was very general at that time,
 today I would address more the specfics of WM-movements..):

 Diversity? Deal with it! – Diversity as a concept has long development
 in management and especially in human ressource management in order

Re: [Gendergap] Stepping down as list mod - volunteers needed

[Chris Keating]

I'd be happy to help, assuming another man doesn't imbalance things

Chris
On 23 Jan 2015 21:34, LB lightbreath...@gmail.com wrote:

 I might be interested. What all's involved?

 Lightbreather

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:

 Hey Kevin, don't worry about getting Emily added - I'll handle it. Sorry
 to hear you've been ill!

 To the rest of the list, another volunteer or two would be really great.
 Thanks!

 -Leigh

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all -

 Unfortunately I collapsed in severe septic shock several weeks ago, and
 thus Wikimedia related business hasn't been on my radar.

 Thank you Leigh, for service. I'll be appointing Emily/Keilana the next
 time on my mobile, but more volunteers are welcome.

 Best,
 Kevin Gorman


 On Monday, January 19, 2015, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:

 Hi folks! I've decided that in 2015 I'm going to try to do fewer things
 but do them better, so in that spirit I'm stepping down as a moderator of
 this list. This means we need another moderator (or two or three) to step
 up. Please email gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org if you're
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Re: [Gendergap] Atlantic article..."How Wikipedia is Hostile to Women"

[Chris Keating]

In case anyone missed it, there is now an Arbcom case about this article...
or something - am not entirely clear what it's about but there are some
very, erm, "interesting" arguments being made in the dozens of case
statements.
On 21 Oct 2015 21:01, "Carol Moore dc"  wrote:

>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/how-wikipedia-is-hostile-to-women/411619/
>
> Goes into lots of details...
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Re: [Gendergap] Cooperation Index & Table at the Gender Gap project page on Wikipedia en

[Chris Keating]

I have taken a look at your page and am utterly, utterly baffled.

Hope this helps!

Chris

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Leo Romero  wrote:

> Hi there - Whenever you have 5-10 mins to spare, could you please see the
> page linked below? It should explain itself, since it's designed for
> newbies and returnees (like me). If it doesn't, would you mind fixing it,or
> letting us know your suggestions on the Talk page? - Thanks and Mabuhay! -
> Leo
>
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/3D2Do
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[Gendergap] Good sources for criticism of sexism in traditional media

[Chris Keating]

Hi all,

Just wondered if anyone here knew any good sources about the prevalence /
impact of sexism in traditional media?

I'm particularly thinking of adding to this article, where all I can find
on a quick Google is things on HuffPost and Jezebel which aren't
particularly great to use on-wiki, so I'm wondering if there is more out
there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Sexism_accusations

Thanks in advance!

Chris
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