[VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys,

after PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12 resolution, it's finally time to vote the
graduation resolution and to establish Apache Oltu as TLP, after a
period at ASF incubator since 2010-06-01 as Apache Amber.
The PPMC already positively voted[1] the resolution in the public dev@
ML, collecting two binding votes from IPMC members Tommaso Teofili and
Raymond Feng

Vote will be open for at least 72 hours and closes approximately on
Mon 24th, 9:40am GMT

So IPMC, please cast your votes!
Many thanks in advance, all the best!
-Simo

[ ] +1  graduate!
[ ] +0  no opinion
[ ] -1  do not graduate (and please provide a reason why)

X. Establish the Apache Oltu Project

   WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
   interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
   purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
   the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
   distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
   parsing and analyzing of RDF triples.

   NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
   Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Oltu Project,
   be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
   Foundation; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby is
   responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
   related to OAuth protocol implementation in Java

   RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu be
   and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
   serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
   of the Apache Oltu Project, and to have primary responsibility
   for management of the projects within the scope of
   responsibility of the Apache Oltu Project; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
   hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
   Apache Oltu Project:

  * Antonio Sanso asa...@apache.org
  * Lukasz Moren lmo...@apache.org
  * Maciej Pawel Machulak mmac...@apache.org
  * Raymond Feng rfe...@apache.org
  * Stuart Williams pids...@apache.org
  * Simone Tripodi simo...@apache.org
  * Tommaso Teofili tomm...@apache.org

   NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Antonio Sanso
   be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu to
   serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
   Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
   death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
   or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby
   is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
   Incubator Oltu podling; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
   Incubator Oltu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
   Project are hereafter discharged.

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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
The Maven PMC pushes no plugin releases nor parent poms to /dist. We
just leave them on repository.apache.org and of course on Maven
central. So, I think this is a pretty safe precedent.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello fellows,

 with Onami we are currently working to release a parent pom (only).
 Its just related to maven and so our idea was to spread it via
 repository.a.o only.

 Now reading this:

 All releases must be archived on http://archive.apache.org/dist/.

 An automated process adds releases to the archive about a day after
 they first appear on to http://www.apache.org/dist/. Once a release is
 placed underhttp://www.apache.org/dist/ it will automatically be
 copied over to http://archive.apache.org/dist/ and held there
 permanently, even after it is deleted from
 http://www.apache.org/dist/.;
 http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#mirroring

 it seems we need to push it to /dist, even when its Maven only. Is
 that correct? I am asking because I could not find the Apache parent
 pom there (maybe I missed it) and it let me hope that we do not need
 to commit it to /dist.

 Thanks
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Re: How to use an apache webpage

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Nick Burch apa...@gagravarr.org wrote:
 On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Shane Curcuru wrote:

 I put the DRAFT on because I originally wrote these for my personal
 Community Over Code site, and I wanted to ensure the style was appropriate
 for a path under a.o/foundation, which makes it official.


 I wonder if a label like work in progress might be better suited, if we
 want to indicate in future that something is incomplete but input is
 welcomed?

If I follow this thread, the point is that (a) we have no process for
formally approving the docs in question, so (b) they always remain
W-I-P or DRAFT, so (c) no one knows whether to believe them.

The proposal here, to which I am +1, is that all of the docs are
subject to patches and vetos. So we need no such marking, but rather
the members of the responsible PMC need to act on their responsibility
and talk/act if they see something so wrong that someone should *not*
believe it. Until then, we trust the committers of these docs to
commit things that people should believe.

If someone wants to propose a small-print footer that copies this
policy, which is already on the incubator 'how to update the website
page', someone should, well, commit it.





 Only if you tell people who is working on it (to submit patches) and
 if the content of the document can be used (or not).

 Christian


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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
+1, binding, but would some kind soul please clue me in as to why you
want to be named after a Turkish Cheese?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Simone Tripodi
simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi all guys,

 after PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12 resolution, it's finally time to vote the
 graduation resolution and to establish Apache Oltu as TLP, after a
 period at ASF incubator since 2010-06-01 as Apache Amber.
 The PPMC already positively voted[1] the resolution in the public dev@
 ML, collecting two binding votes from IPMC members Tommaso Teofili and
 Raymond Feng

 Vote will be open for at least 72 hours and closes approximately on
 Mon 24th, 9:40am GMT

 So IPMC, please cast your votes!
 Many thanks in advance, all the best!
 -Simo

 [ ] +1  graduate!
 [ ] +0  no opinion
 [ ] -1  do not graduate (and please provide a reason why)

 X. Establish the Apache Oltu Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
parsing and analyzing of RDF triples.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Oltu Project,
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to OAuth protocol implementation in Java

RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache Oltu Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache Oltu Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache Oltu Project:

   * Antonio Sanso asa...@apache.org
   * Lukasz Moren lmo...@apache.org
   * Maciej Pawel Machulak mmac...@apache.org
   * Raymond Feng rfe...@apache.org
   * Stuart Williams pids...@apache.org
   * Simone Tripodi simo...@apache.org
   * Tommaso Teofili tomm...@apache.org

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Antonio Sanso
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator Oltu podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator Oltu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.

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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Marcel Offermans
Well, I don't think it's fine. As long as our release policy states that all 
releases must be archived on /dist we should do exactly that. Or change the 
policy.

Greetings, Marcel

On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:53 , Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Maven PMC pushes no plugin releases nor parent poms to /dist. We
 just leave them on repository.apache.org and of course on Maven
 central. So, I think this is a pretty safe precedent.
 
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
 grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello fellows,
 
 with Onami we are currently working to release a parent pom (only).
 Its just related to maven and so our idea was to spread it via
 repository.a.o only.
 
 Now reading this:
 
 All releases must be archived on http://archive.apache.org/dist/.
 
 An automated process adds releases to the archive about a day after
 they first appear on to http://www.apache.org/dist/. Once a release is
 placed underhttp://www.apache.org/dist/ it will automatically be
 copied over to http://archive.apache.org/dist/ and held there
 permanently, even after it is deleted from
 http://www.apache.org/dist/.;
 http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#mirroring
 
 it seems we need to push it to /dist, even when its Maven only. Is
 that correct? I am asking because I could not find the Apache parent
 pom there (maybe I missed it) and it let me hope that we do not need
 to commit it to /dist.
 
 Thanks
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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
 Well, I don't think it's fine. As long as our release policy states that all 
 releases must be archived on /dist we should do exactly that. Or change the 
 policy.

 Greetings, Marcel

 On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:53 , Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Maven PMC pushes no plugin releases nor parent poms to /dist. We
 just leave them on repository.apache.org and of course on Maven
 central. So, I think this is a pretty safe precedent.

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
 grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello fellows,

 with Onami we are currently working to release a parent pom (only).
 Its just related to maven and so our idea was to spread it via
 repository.a.o only.

 Now reading this:

 All releases must be archived on http://archive.apache.org/dist/.

 An automated process adds releases to the archive about a day after
 they first appear on to http://www.apache.org/dist/. Once a release is
 placed underhttp://www.apache.org/dist/ it will automatically be
 copied over to http://archive.apache.org/dist/ and held there
 permanently, even after it is deleted from
 http://www.apache.org/dist/.;
 http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#mirroring

 it seems we need to push it to /dist, even when its Maven only. Is
 that correct? I am asking because I could not find the Apache parent
 pom there (maybe I missed it) and it let me hope that we do not need
 to commit it to /dist.

 Thanks
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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.

http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Simone Tripodi
 +1, binding, but would some kind soul please clue me in as to why you
 want to be named after a Turkish Cheese?

LOL, Oltu stone[1] is a type of Amber, just to keep in the topic :P
I found anyway that Oltu is a Turkish town[2] as well :)

-Simo

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_amber
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oltu

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Simone Tripodi
simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 +1, binding, but would some kind soul please clue me in as to why you
 want to be named after a Turkish Cheese?

 LOL, Oltu stone[1] is a type of Amber, just to keep in the topic :P
 I found anyway that Oltu is a Turkish town[2] as well :)

In my own defense, [3]..

[3] 
https://www.google.com/search?q=otlu+cheesehl=entbo=utbm=ischsource=univsa=Xei=FVrUUP2MGsH90gHCloGACQved=0CEEQsAQbiw=1230bih=756


 -Simo

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_amber
 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oltu

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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.

 http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html

While I agree that the page has a lot to say about putting releases on
/dist, I could not find any point in which it said, in so many words,
that /dist was required. I do, however, see how people would take that
implication.

So, I edited it to say the opposite for this case. I'm not pushing the
publish button; rather, I've started a thread on infra@ (which seems
to supervise this content) inviting people to tell me that I am wrong.
If I am still wearing my head tonight on the subject, I'll push the
publish button.



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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
 You ought to leave it for 72 hours, a half day is not enough time for infra
 to respond.

Ross is completely right. Stay tuned, the discussion on whether I'm
right or not has already begun, and quite aside from his good counsel
of caution, could well go on for some time.

In the mean time, it can't hurt to copy that bundle from Onami to
/dist if you all want to get on with your lives.



 Ross


 On 21 December 2012 12:52, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Martijn Dashorst
 martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.
 
  http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html

 While I agree that the page has a lot to say about putting releases on
 /dist, I could not find any point in which it said, in so many words,
 that /dist was required. I do, however, see how people would take that
 implication.

 So, I edited it to say the opposite for this case. I'm not pushing the
 publish button; rather, I've started a thread on infra@ (which seems
 to supervise this content) inviting people to tell me that I am wrong.
 If I am still wearing my head tonight on the subject, I'll push the
 publish button.


 
  Martijn
 
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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Marcel Offermans

On Dec 21, 2012, at 13:52 , Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Martijn Dashorst
 martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.
 
 http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
 
 While I agree that the page has a lot to say about putting releases on
 /dist, I could not find any point in which it said, in so many words,
 that /dist was required. I do, however, see how people would take that
 implication.

It does state that all releases must be archived on 
http://archive.apache.org/dist/ so I think that more or less implies that all 
releases must be put on /dist.

I just feel that as soon as we start making exceptions, we will end up with 
many, and I really don't understand why this exception is necessary in the 
first place. In fact, I think it's a great benefit that all releases can be 
found in one single location, no exceptions.

 So, I edited it to say the opposite for this case. I'm not pushing the
 publish button; rather, I've started a thread on infra@ (which seems
 to supervise this content) inviting people to tell me that I am wrong.
 If I am still wearing my head tonight on the subject, I'll push the
 publish button.

I objected there as well, to me this is a big policy change, and one that I 
don't understand the reason of.

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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:

 On Dec 21, 2012, at 13:52 , Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Martijn Dashorst
 martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.

 http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html

 While I agree that the page has a lot to say about putting releases on
 /dist, I could not find any point in which it said, in so many words,
 that /dist was required. I do, however, see how people would take that
 implication.

 It does state that all releases must be archived on 
 http://archive.apache.org/dist/ so I think that more or less implies that all 
 releases must be put on /dist.

 I just feel that as soon as we start making exceptions, we will end up with 
 many, and I really don't understand why this exception is necessary in the 
 first place. In fact, I think it's a great benefit that all releases can be 
 found in one single location, no exceptions.

 So, I edited it to say the opposite for this case. I'm not pushing the
 publish button; rather, I've started a thread on infra@ (which seems
 to supervise this content) inviting people to tell me that I am wrong.
 If I am still wearing my head tonight on the subject, I'll push the
 publish button.

 I objected there as well, to me this is a big policy change, and one that I 
 don't understand the reason of.

I think one thread of debate on this is enough, so I won't reply further here.


 Greetings, Marcel


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Re: [VOTE] retire photark

2012-12-21 Thread Suresh Marru
+ 1

Suresh

On Dec 19, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Having received no traffic on the discussion thread, and in particular
 no traffic at all from the PPMC, I hereby call a vote to retire
 photark.
 
 [+1]
 
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[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12) Establish whether Apache Oltu is a suitable name

2012-12-21 Thread Shane Curcuru (JIRA)

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 ] 

Shane Curcuru commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12:


USPTO search directly at TESS shows no hits.

Google Oltu software shows no pertinent hits in our area of software 
products, namely that Apache Oltu will be an OAuth protocol implementation in 
Java.

 Establish whether Apache Oltu is a suitable name
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 Key: PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12
 URL: 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12
 Project: Podling Suitable Names Search
  Issue Type: Suitable Name Search
Reporter: Antonio Sanso

 We have to do some investigations to ensure that Apache Amber is a suitable 
 name for a TLP. 
 Here are some resources related to this issue: 
 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Shane Curcuru
NOTE: Oltu has *not* taken their name search to trademarks@, which is a 
*requirement* before resolving the actual name search.  This is 
understandable, since the docs don't clearly specify this.


I've taken a quick look and commented on the JIRA, so they seem to have 
a fine name, so please feel free to vote away.  If Oltu is actually the 
name of some specific kind of cheese, please let me know if there's any 
way I can get some here in the eastern US (I love cheese).


The bad news is that there is another software project with Oltu in 
the name (google oltu software, since trademarks are only important 
within general categories of products).  The good news is it seems to 
simply be a streaming app for some Turkish (?) radio station - so I'm 
confident we have nothing to fear from confusion with them.  The point 
is that it's important to include trademarks@ in your podling name searches.


- Shane

rhetoricalCan someone remind me how to update the incubator docs?  Are 
they fully CMS now?/rhetorical



On 12/21/2012 4:41 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:

Hi all guys,

after PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12 resolution, it's finally time to vote the
graduation resolution and to establish Apache Oltu as TLP, after a
period at ASF incubator since 2010-06-01 as Apache Amber.
The PPMC already positively voted[1] the resolution in the public dev@
ML, collecting two binding votes from IPMC members Tommaso Teofili and
Raymond Feng

Vote will be open for at least 72 hours and closes approximately on
Mon 24th, 9:40am GMT

So IPMC, please cast your votes!
Many thanks in advance, all the best!
-Simo

[ ] +1  graduate!
[ ] +0  no opinion
[ ] -1  do not graduate (and please provide a reason why)

X. Establish the Apache Oltu Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
parsing and analyzing of RDF triples.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Oltu Project,
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to OAuth protocol implementation in Java

RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache Oltu Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache Oltu Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache Oltu Project:

   * Antonio Sanso asa...@apache.org
   * Lukasz Moren lmo...@apache.org
   * Maciej Pawel Machulak mmac...@apache.org
   * Raymond Feng rfe...@apache.org
   * Stuart Williams pids...@apache.org
   * Simone Tripodi simo...@apache.org
   * Tommaso Teofili tomm...@apache.org

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Antonio Sanso
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator Oltu podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator Oltu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Antonio Sanso
Hi Shane,

thanks a lot for this.

I conducted a US Trademark Search, this shows no results for Oltu

http://www.trademarkia.com/trademarks-search.aspx?tn=oltu

as per PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12 (Evidence Of Registration) but thanks for double 
checking!

Regards

Antonio
http://www.trademarkia.com/trademarks-search.aspx?tn=oltu
On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:

NOTE: Oltu has *not* taken their name search to trademarks@, which is a
*requirement* before resolving the actual name search.  This is
understandable, since the docs don't clearly specify this.

I've taken a quick look and commented on the JIRA, so they seem to have
a fine name, so please feel free to vote away.  If Oltu is actually the
name of some specific kind of cheese, please let me know if there's any
way I can get some here in the eastern US (I love cheese).

The bad news is that there is another software project with Oltu in
the name (google oltu software, since trademarks are only important
within general categories of products).  The good news is it seems to
simply be a streaming app for some Turkish (?) radio station - so I'm
confident we have nothing to fear from confusion with them.  The point
is that it's important to include trademarks@ in your podling name searches.

- Shane

rhetoricalCan someone remind me how to update the incubator docs?  Are
they fully CMS now?/rhetorical


On 12/21/2012 4:41 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
Hi all guys,

after PODLINGNAMESEARCH-12 resolution, it's finally time to vote the
graduation resolution and to establish Apache Oltu as TLP, after a
period at ASF incubator since 2010-06-01 as Apache Amber.
The PPMC already positively voted[1] the resolution in the public dev@
ML, collecting two binding votes from IPMC members Tommaso Teofili and
Raymond Feng

Vote will be open for at least 72 hours and closes approximately on
Mon 24th, 9:40am GMT

So IPMC, please cast your votes!
Many thanks in advance, all the best!
-Simo

[ ] +1  graduate!
[ ] +0  no opinion
[ ] -1  do not graduate (and please provide a reason why)

X. Establish the Apache Oltu Project

   WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
   interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
   purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
   the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
   distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
   parsing and analyzing of RDF triples.

   NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
   Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Oltu Project,
   be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
   Foundation; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby is
   responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
   related to OAuth protocol implementation in Java

   RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu be
   and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
   serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
   of the Apache Oltu Project, and to have primary responsibility
   for management of the projects within the scope of
   responsibility of the Apache Oltu Project; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
   hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
   Apache Oltu Project:

  * Antonio Sanso asa...@apache.org
  * Lukasz Moren lmo...@apache.org
  * Maciej Pawel Machulak mmac...@apache.org
  * Raymond Feng rfe...@apache.org
  * Stuart Williams pids...@apache.org
  * Simone Tripodi simo...@apache.org
  * Tommaso Teofili tomm...@apache.org

   NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Antonio Sanso
   be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Oltu to
   serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
   Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
   death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
   or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that the Apache Oltu Project be and hereby
   is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
   Incubator Oltu podling; and be it further

   RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
   Incubator Oltu podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
   Project are hereafter discharged.

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Re: [VOTE] retire photark

2012-12-21 Thread Daniel Kulp
+1

Dan


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 no traffic at all from the PPMC, I hereby call a vote to retire
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Simone Tripodi
no needs to defense, it was nice reading something curious! :)

http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Simone Tripodi
 simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 +1, binding, but would some kind soul please clue me in as to why you
 want to be named after a Turkish Cheese?

 LOL, Oltu stone[1] is a type of Amber, just to keep in the topic :P
 I found anyway that Oltu is a Turkish town[2] as well :)

 In my own defense, [3]..

 [3] 
 https://www.google.com/search?q=otlu+cheesehl=entbo=utbm=ischsource=univsa=Xei=FVrUUP2MGsH90gHCloGACQved=0CEEQsAQbiw=1230bih=756


 -Simo

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 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oltu

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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Benson Margulies wrote on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 07:01:03 -0500:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Marcel Offermans
 marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
  Well, I don't think it's fine. As long as our release policy states that 
  all releases must be archived on /dist we should do exactly that. Or change 
  the policy.
 
 Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Shane Curcuru wrote on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:36:58 -0500:
 The bad news is that there is another software project with Oltu in  
 the name (google oltu software, since trademarks are only important  
 within general categories of products).  The good news is it seems to  
 simply be a streaming app for some Turkish (?) radio station - so I'm  
 confident we have nothing to fear from confusion with them.  The point  

Is Oltu a Turkish word?  What does it mean?

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Antonio Sanso
Hi Daniel

On Dec 21, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:

Shane Curcuru wrote on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:36:58 -0500:
The bad news is that there is another software project with Oltu in
the name (google oltu software, since trademarks are only important
within general categories of products).  The good news is it seems to
simply be a streaming app for some Turkish (?) radio station - so I'm
confident we have nothing to fear from confusion with them.  The point

Is Oltu a Turkish word?  What does it mean?

quoting Simone

Oltu stone[1] is a type of Amber, just to keep in the topic...

Regards

Antonio

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_amber



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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Turkish speakers: Google translate says that 'otlu', with no
diacritics, is an adjective meaning grassy or herby. Thus, the cheese
is cheese with herbs in it. Just for my education, how does Amber come
into it? Is there supposed to be an diacritic? Is google just
bewildered?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Simone Tripodi
simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 no needs to defense, it was nice reading something curious! :)

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 http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
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 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Simone Tripodi
 simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 +1, binding, but would some kind soul please clue me in as to why you
 want to be named after a Turkish Cheese?

 LOL, Oltu stone[1] is a type of Amber, just to keep in the topic :P
 I found anyway that Oltu is a Turkish town[2] as well :)

 In my own defense, [3]..

 [3] 
 https://www.google.com/search?q=otlu+cheesehl=entbo=utbm=ischsource=univsa=Xei=FVrUUP2MGsH90gHCloGACQved=0CEEQsAQbiw=1230bih=756


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 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oltu

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Oltu (formerly Apache Amber) graduation resolution

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
I've answered my own question in part. Oltu taşı means 'jet', a black
form of Amber. The humorous question for any Turkish readers of this
thread is this: when a Turkish reader sees 'otlu' by itself, do they
think, 'jet', 'aux fine herbs', or 'cheese'?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Turkish speakers: Google translate says that 'otlu', with no
 diacritics, is an adjective meaning grassy or herby. Thus, the cheese
 is cheese with herbs in it. Just for my education, how does Amber come
 into it? Is there supposed to be an diacritic? Is google just
 bewildered?

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Simone Tripodi
 simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 no needs to defense, it was nice reading something curious! :)

 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
 http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
 http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
 http://www.99soft.org/


 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Simone Tripodi
 simonetrip...@apache.org wrote:
 +1, binding, but would some kind soul please clue me in as to why you
 want to be named after a Turkish Cheese?

 LOL, Oltu stone[1] is a type of Amber, just to keep in the topic :P
 I found anyway that Oltu is a Turkish town[2] as well :)

 In my own defense, [3]..

 [3] 
 https://www.google.com/search?q=otlu+cheesehl=entbo=utbm=ischsource=univsa=Xei=FVrUUP2MGsH90gHCloGACQved=0CEEQsAQbiw=1230bih=756


 -Simo

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 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oltu

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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
My belief is that the policy changed a long time ago but was not
properly edited into the document. If I didn't believe that, I'd be
taking a different approach here. My secondary belief is that the
existing document is an ambiguous writing job, and I'm as entitled to
my opinion as to the actual intention as anyone else with rights to
edit it.

And, as such, I think that the right thing to do is to put up the
edits and see who complains.

I am perfectly happy to set the example of boldly editing documents to
state the policy as I understand it, and then inviting people to
comment. I am in part inspired by the other thread about the
uselessness of DRAFT and suchlike markings.

If you are so convinced that I am entirely changing, as opposed to
clarifying, a Foundation invariant, then you should say as much on the
thread over on infra. If you feel strongly enough, you should revert
my commit.



On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
 Benson Margulies wrote on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 07:01:03 -0500:
 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Marcel Offermans
 marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
  Well, I don't think it's fine. As long as our release policy states that 
  all releases must be archived on /dist we should do exactly that. Or 
  change the policy.

 Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.

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 to edit the web page that documents the existing policy --- particularly
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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi

   I agree about how policy should change.

But when it comes to apply on this case I believe we have to read the
release rules carefully and we will see that we don't need policy change we
just need to add more details and hence make it more clear

The release rules assume you are release source code not just a pom file
(s) which for sure people will not use it by downloading a dist from
anywhere.
They either will svn co the tag and build it locally or use the one
deployed in Nexus

It is just a different situation not an exception

Christian and I already discussed that offline and kindly took the effort
to bring it to the list :)

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3
Apologies for any typos
On Dec 21, 2012 5:12 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 My belief is that the policy changed a long time ago but was not
 properly edited into the document. If I didn't believe that, I'd be
 taking a different approach here. My secondary belief is that the
 existing document is an ambiguous writing job, and I'm as entitled to
 my opinion as to the actual intention as anyone else with rights to
 edit it.

 And, as such, I think that the right thing to do is to put up the
 edits and see who complains.

 I am perfectly happy to set the example of boldly editing documents to
 state the policy as I understand it, and then inviting people to
 comment. I am in part inspired by the other thread about the
 uselessness of DRAFT and suchlike markings.

 If you are so convinced that I am entirely changing, as opposed to
 clarifying, a Foundation invariant, then you should say as much on the
 thread over on infra. If you feel strongly enough, you should revert
 my commit.



 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name
wrote:
  Benson Margulies wrote on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 07:01:03 -0500:
  On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Marcel Offermans
  marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
   Well, I don't think it's fine. As long as our release policy states
that all releases must be archived on /dist we should do exactly that. Or
change the policy.
 
  Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.
 
  The way to change a policy is to obtain consensus on the new policy, not
  to edit the web page that documents the existing policy --- particularly
  when someone just expressed an opinion in favour of the documented
policy.
 
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Re: [VOTE] retire photark

2012-12-21 Thread Jakob Homan
+1


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:

 +1

 Dan


 On Dec 19, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Having received no traffic on the discussion thread, and in particular
  no traffic at all from the PPMC, I hereby call a vote to retire
  photark.
 
  [+1]
 
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Re: Do all releases need to go to /dist?

2012-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Given how the discussion on other closed lists is proceeding, as chair
of this committee, I feel compelled to contribute the following:

The current stated policy of the Foundation is that releases go onto
/dist. If you are using Maven tooling to make your releases, you
should first of all be sure to produce real, buildable, releases using
the profiles in the ASF POM, and secondly, you should copy those zip
files to /dist after a vote passes.

If this policy changes, I'll be quite sure to make this list aware of
it, if someone else doesn't beat me to it.

In short, I misjudged the historical context of this particular issue.


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

I agree about how policy should change.

 But when it comes to apply on this case I believe we have to read the
 release rules carefully and we will see that we don't need policy change we
 just need to add more details and hence make it more clear

 The release rules assume you are release source code not just a pom file
 (s) which for sure people will not use it by downloading a dist from
 anywhere.
 They either will svn co the tag and build it locally or use the one
 deployed in Nexus

 It is just a different situation not an exception

 Christian and I already discussed that offline and kindly took the effort
 to bring it to the list :)

 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3
 Apologies for any typos
 On Dec 21, 2012 5:12 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 My belief is that the policy changed a long time ago but was not
 properly edited into the document. If I didn't believe that, I'd be
 taking a different approach here. My secondary belief is that the
 existing document is an ambiguous writing job, and I'm as entitled to
 my opinion as to the actual intention as anyone else with rights to
 edit it.

 And, as such, I think that the right thing to do is to put up the
 edits and see who complains.

 I am perfectly happy to set the example of boldly editing documents to
 state the policy as I understand it, and then inviting people to
 comment. I am in part inspired by the other thread about the
 uselessness of DRAFT and suchlike markings.

 If you are so convinced that I am entirely changing, as opposed to
 clarifying, a Foundation invariant, then you should say as much on the
 thread over on infra. If you feel strongly enough, you should revert
 my commit.



 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name
 wrote:
  Benson Margulies wrote on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 07:01:03 -0500:
  On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Marcel Offermans
  marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
   Well, I don't think it's fine. As long as our release policy states
 that all releases must be archived on /dist we should do exactly that. Or
 change the policy.
 
  Give me a URL where this policy is and I'll edit it.
 
  The way to change a policy is to obtain consensus on the new policy, not
  to edit the web page that documents the existing policy --- particularly
  when someone just expressed an opinion in favour of the documented
 policy.
 
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