Re: Tool to generate disclaimer, NOTICE, etc. files
On 9 February 2014 06:47, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:42 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: WDYT? Non-trivial; maintaining the meta-data needed to accurately generate the NOTICE file is likely to require more effort than writing the NOTICE file itself. Actually, this sounds like a case where the effort for any individual project outweighs the benefit of saving the time, but the total effort across many projects would make the effort somewhat worth while. In particular, something that enhances the communication between projects and between the author of the dependency and the users of that dependency would be very helpful. AFAICT, the only way to amortise the effort between projects is to have a shared register of NOTICE requirements for each dependency. (basically each unique license text). However, that is not sufficient - the NOTICE file must only include attributions for bits that are actually included in the artifact to which the NOTICE (and LICENSE) applies. That is something that is unique to each project, and may change between releases. Also as already mentioned, source attributions may sometimes be necessary. As such, this sounds like a great thing to add to maven. If it provided me with a way to look at all my dependencies and examine my notices file for missing acknowledgments, that would be helpful. Moreover, if there were a way for the community of users to upload sample acknowledgements and for the owners of such packages to reject or accept these acknowledgments, this would crowdsource the effort of approval. This is an ASF-specific requirement. I really don't see how crowd-sourcing this to people outside the ASF is going to help reduce effort. Also, only the ASF has a vested interest in getting this right. My guess is that since getting NOTIFICATIONS right is a largely one shot deal, it wouldn't be enough appeal to encourage somebody to actually implement the system, but it would certainly make one's life easier in small installments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I’ve updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski and...@apache.org * Stephen Haberman steph...@apache.org * Mark Hamstra markhams...@apache.org * Shane Huang shane_hu...@apache.org * Ryan LeCompte ryanlecom...@apache.org * Haoyuan Li haoy...@apache.org * Sean McNamara mcnam...@apache.org * Mridul Muralidharam mridul...@apache.org * Kay Ousterhout kayousterh...@apache.org * Nick Pentreath mln...@apache.org * Imran Rashid iras...@apache.org * Charles Reiss wog...@apache.org * Josh Rosen joshro...@apache.org * Prashant Sharma prash...@apache.org * Ram Sriharsha har...@apache.org * Shivaram Venkataraman shiva...@apache.org * Patrick Wendell pwend...@apache.org * Andrew Xia xiajunl...@apache.org * Reynold Xin r...@apache.org * Matei Zaharia ma...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Spark podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Spark podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:02 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Ted and Henry: Thanks for the thoughtful replies and indulging my concerns. +1 (binding) --David On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: HI David Nalley, Thank you for your comment and concern, really appreciate it. As Patrick had mentioned in his reply, this is not a persistent problem. The reminder I sent was about particular topic which could be interpreted as design or roadmap topic rather than review for a patch. Rather than reminding an individual or two involved in the discussion, I decided to send email to dev@ list to show by example the open and transparent discussions the ASF way. Hope this gives some more clarification about the state of the podling embracing the ASF way. - Henry On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Wendell pwend...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All - chiming in as an active Spark committer. The part that disturbs me is that after the vote passed in the community, and came to the IPMC a mentor is still having to remind folks that things like strategy and roadmap discussions need to happen on the mailing list. That's a pretty foundational concept in my mind for an Apache project. Henry gave a reminder on the mailing list not because it's a persistent problem but because it never explicitly came up prior to this. We use github for review comments and in one case this week there was a brief discussion that could be interpreted as roadmap - so Henry just gave a reminder not to do that. I can't imagine why any project would *want* to use github review comments for long term roadmap discussion... it's a terrible medium for that anyways! We have a very
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski and...@apache.org * Stephen Haberman steph...@apache.org * Mark Hamstra markhams...@apache.org * Shane Huang shane_hu...@apache.org * Ryan LeCompte ryanlecom...@apache.org * Haoyuan Li haoy...@apache.org * Sean McNamara mcnam...@apache.org * Mridul Muralidharam mridul...@apache.org * Kay Ousterhout kayousterh...@apache.org * Nick Pentreath mln...@apache.org * Imran Rashid iras...@apache.org * Charles Reiss wog...@apache.org * Josh Rosen joshro...@apache.org * Prashant Sharma prash...@apache.org * Ram Sriharsha har...@apache.org * Shivaram Venkataraman shiva...@apache.org * Patrick Wendell pwend...@apache.org * Andrew Xia xiajunl...@apache.org * Reynold Xin r...@apache.org * Matei Zaharia ma...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Spark podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Spark podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:02 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Ted and Henry: Thanks for the thoughtful replies and indulging my concerns. +1 (binding) --David On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: HI David Nalley, Thank you for your comment and concern, really appreciate it. As Patrick had mentioned in his reply, this is not a persistent problem. The reminder I sent was about particular topic which could be interpreted as design or roadmap topic rather than review for a patch. Rather than reminding an individual or two involved in the discussion, I decided to send email to dev@ list to show by example the open and transparent discussions the ASF way. Hope this gives some more clarification about the state of the podling embracing the ASF way. - Henry On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Wendell pwend...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All - chiming in as an active Spark committer. The part that disturbs me is that after the vote passed in the community, and came to the IPMC a mentor is still having to remind folks that things like strategy and roadmap discussions need to happen on the mailing list. That's a pretty foundational concept in my mind for an Apache
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Thanks Matei and sebb. Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be time consuming. In the [RESULT] [VOTE] thread, we'll have the updated resolution text, and it will be present in the board report shortly thereafter. If discussion needs to continue at that point we can start a [DISCUSS] [RESULT] [VOTE] thread. Thanks for the catch on the different scope descriptions. I think it should be the first one (the 2nd looks to be an omission from a cut/paste from the Mesos graduation resolution). Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski and...@apache.org * Stephen Haberman steph...@apache.org * Mark Hamstra markhams...@apache.org * Shane Huang shane_hu...@apache.org * Ryan LeCompte ryanlecom...@apache.org * Haoyuan Li haoy...@apache.org * Sean McNamara mcnam...@apache.org * Mridul Muralidharam mridul...@apache.org * Kay Ousterhout kayousterh...@apache.org * Nick Pentreath mln...@apache.org * Imran Rashid iras...@apache.org * Charles Reiss wog...@apache.org * Josh Rosen joshro...@apache.org * Prashant Sharma prash...@apache.org * Ram Sriharsha har...@apache.org * Shivaram Venkataraman shiva...@apache.org * Patrick Wendell pwend...@apache.org * Andrew Xia xiajunl...@apache.org * Reynold Xin r...@apache.org * Matei Zaharia ma...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Spark podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Spark podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:02 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Ted and Henry: Thanks for the thoughtful replies and indulging my concerns. +1 (binding) --David On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: HI David Nalley, Thank you for your comment and concern, really appreciate it. As Patrick had mentioned in his reply, this is not a persistent problem. The reminder I sent
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Thanks Matei and sebb. Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be time consuming. So? Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become. Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update resolution or the old one. Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution? In the [RESULT] [VOTE] thread, we'll have the updated resolution text, and it will be present in the board report shortly thereafter. If discussion needs to continue at that point we can start a [DISCUSS] [RESULT] [VOTE] thread. Thanks for the catch on the different scope descriptions. I think it should be the first one (the 2nd looks to be an omission from a cut/paste from the Mesos graduation resolution). Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski and...@apache.org * Stephen Haberman steph...@apache.org * Mark Hamstra markhams...@apache.org * Shane Huang shane_hu...@apache.org * Ryan LeCompte ryanlecom...@apache.org * Haoyuan Li haoy...@apache.org * Sean McNamara mcnam...@apache.org * Mridul Muralidharam mridul...@apache.org * Kay Ousterhout kayousterh...@apache.org * Nick Pentreath mln...@apache.org * Imran Rashid iras...@apache.org * Charles Reiss wog...@apache.org * Josh Rosen joshro...@apache.org * Prashant Sharma prash...@apache.org * Ram Sriharsha har...@apache.org * Shivaram Venkataraman shiva...@apache.org * Patrick Wendell pwend...@apache.org * Andrew Xia xiajunl...@apache.org * Reynold Xin r...@apache.org * Matei Zaharia ma...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Spark podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Spark podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:02 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Ted and Henry:
[DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Hi Sebb, -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:39 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Thanks Matei and sebb. Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be time consuming. So? I don't appreciate this tone -- what do you mean so? Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become. The thread's not confusing to me at all -- The diligence to update the resolution to the specific Apache IDs has been performed by Matei, so that work is done. I'll make the typo fix in the pasted board resolution, so that will be done too. Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update resolution or the old one. Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution? Actually it's quite clear to me and to those who VOTEd, some multiple times. If folks have an issue as I mentioned, I've left the VOTE open for quite a long bit of time and am closing it tomorrow. That's plenty of time for folks to amend their VOTE should they have wanted to. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski and...@apache.org * Stephen Haberman steph...@apache.org * Mark Hamstra markhams...@apache.org * Shane Huang shane_hu...@apache.org * Ryan LeCompte ryanlecom...@apache.org * Haoyuan Li haoy...@apache.org * Sean McNamara mcnam...@apache.org * Mridul Muralidharam mridul...@apache.org * Kay Ousterhout kayousterh...@apache.org * Nick Pentreath mln...@apache.org * Imran Rashid iras...@apache.org * Charles Reiss wog...@apache.org * Josh Rosen joshro...@apache.org * Prashant Sharma prash...@apache.org * Ram Sriharsha har...@apache.org * Shivaram Venkataraman shiva...@apache.org * Patrick Wendell pwend...@apache.org * Andrew Xia xiajunl...@apache.org * Reynold Xin r...@apache.org * Matei Zaharia ma...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matei Zaharia be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Spark, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Chris no offense but all we can do is vote on what you put in front of us. As soon as you realized that that document was a mess the vote should have been cancelled. Right now you have no clear picture of what each vote *means* because the thing we are supposed to be approving is in flux. Right now you have people voting on the subject on moral grounds, eg whether the project deserves to graduate, all mixed in with votes cast on technical objective grounds. The only way to fix this is with a fresh start IMO. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Sebb, -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:39 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Thanks Matei and sebb. Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be time consuming. So? I don't appreciate this tone -- what do you mean so? Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become. The thread's not confusing to me at all -- The diligence to update the resolution to the specific Apache IDs has been performed by Matei, so that work is done. I'll make the typo fix in the pasted board resolution, so that will be done too. Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update resolution or the old one. Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution? Actually it's quite clear to me and to those who VOTEd, some multiple times. If folks have an issue as I mentioned, I've left the VOTE open for quite a long bit of time and am closing it tomorrow. That's plenty of time for folks to amend their VOTE should they have wanted to. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski and...@apache.org * Stephen Haberman steph...@apache.org * Mark Hamstra markhams...@apache.org * Shane Huang shane_hu...@apache.org * Ryan LeCompte ryanlecom...@apache.org * Haoyuan Li haoy...@apache.org * Sean McNamara mcnam...@apache.org * Mridul Muralidharam mridul...@apache.org * Kay Ousterhout kayousterh...@apache.org * Nick
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
Joe, Thanks for your cordial tone and to the point email. Thinking about it, I agree with you. We'll start a new VOTE in a day or so to clean up the resolution per Matei's updates and the typo fix caught by Sebb. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 5:29 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator Chris no offense but all we can do is vote on what you put in front of us. As soon as you realized that that document was a mess the vote should have been cancelled. Right now you have no clear picture of what each vote *means* because the thing we are supposed to be approving is in flux. Right now you have people voting on the subject on moral grounds, eg whether the project deserves to graduate, all mixed in with votes cast on technical objective grounds. The only way to fix this is with a fresh start IMO. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Sebb, -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:39 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Thanks Matei and sebb. Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be time consuming. So? I don't appreciate this tone -- what do you mean so? Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become. The thread's not confusing to me at all -- The diligence to update the resolution to the specific Apache IDs has been performed by Matei, so that work is done. I'll make the typo fix in the pasted board resolution, so that will be done too. Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update resolution or the old one. Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution? Actually it's quite clear to me and to those who VOTEd, some multiple times. If folks have an issue as I mentioned, I've left the VOTE open for quite a long bit of time and am closing it tomorrow. That's plenty of time for folks to amend their VOTE should they have wanted to. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator
I agree with Joe, voting on a moving target is not going to produce a result anyone can look back on and understand. Chris, you may be able to understand what is happening but I'm having trouble from my attempts to follow this thread. thanks david jencks On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris no offense but all we can do is vote on what you put in front of us. As soon as you realized that that document was a mess the vote should have been cancelled. Right now you have no clear picture of what each vote *means* because the thing we are supposed to be approving is in flux. Right now you have people voting on the subject on moral grounds, eg whether the project deserves to graduate, all mixed in with votes cast on technical objective grounds. The only way to fix this is with a fresh start IMO. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Sebb, -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:39 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator On 9 February 2014 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Thanks Matei and sebb. Starting a new thread and collecting the VOTEs all over again would be time consuming. So? I don't appreciate this tone -- what do you mean so? Better to than being confusing, as the current thread has become. The thread's not confusing to me at all -- The diligence to update the resolution to the specific Apache IDs has been performed by Matei, so that work is done. I'll make the typo fix in the pasted board resolution, so that will be done too. Also it may not be clear whether new votes are intended for the update resolution or the old one. Do the original votes even count for the amended resolution? Actually it's quite clear to me and to those who VOTEd, some multiple times. If folks have an issue as I mentioned, I've left the VOTE open for quite a long bit of time and am closing it tomorrow. That's plenty of time for folks to amend their VOTE should they have wanted to. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: sebb seb...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:10 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Spark from the Incubator I think it would be better to start a new thread with the updated text. Also, the two scope descriptions are slightly different: related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. v. related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications I don't know whether that is important or not. On 8 February 2014 22:46, Matei Zaharia matei.zaha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the votes. Since we now have accounts for everyone, I've updated the committer list below to include ASF IDs. Thanks to INFRA, we also now have both pull request postings and comments on them forwarded to the our mailing list. snip WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to fast and flexible large-scale data analysis on clusters. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Spark Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Spark Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to efficient cluster management, resource isolation and sharing across distributed applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Spark be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Spark Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Spark Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Spark Project: * Mosharaf Chowdhury mosha...@apache.org * Jason Dai jason...@apache.org * Tathagata Das t...@apache.org * Ankur Dave ankurd...@apache.org * Aaron Davidson a...@apache.org * Thomas Dudziak to...@apache.org * Robert Evans bo...@apache.org * Thomas Graves tgra...@apache.org * Andy Konwinski
