Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Nandana Mihindukulasooriya]

+1 (binding)

Best Regards,
Nandana

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ate Douma  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the
> project being orphaned.
>
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since
> the 

RE: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Edward J. Yoon]

+1 (binding)

--
Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon

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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

+1 (binding)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing 

[DISCUSS] Olympian Incubation Proposal

[Henry Saputra]

Hi All,

Please find below a proposal for a new incubator podling, Apache Olympian,
formerly Titan.
Apache Olympian is software designed to support the processing of graphs so
large that they require storage and computational capacities beyond what a
single machine can provide.

This project will be a fork of Titan graph database project (
https://github.com/thinkaurelius/titan/) that already come with Apache
License v2.0.
The project was created by company called Aurelius and was acquired by
Datstax.
Coming to 2016 there has been less activity in the project as the original
authors are busy with other software development, but there is significant
interest from the community (see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/
aureliusgraphs/jEN_7QwVXZ4/mz3gik-FAgAJ)

The community have tried to reaching out to Datastax to donate the
copyright and trademark of project to ASF but it was not approved.
Because of that, the community has decided to go to ASF with different
name: Apache Olympian.

The wiki proposal page is located at this URL:

  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OlympianProposal

I have also included the current text of that page below.

Looking forward of comments or questions about this proposal.


Thanks,
Henry Saputra
On behalf of Apache Olympian community


= Apache Olympian Proposal ==

== Abstract ==

Olympian (formerly Titan) is software designed to support the processing of
graphs so large that they require storage and computational capacities
beyond what a single machine can provide. Scaling graph data processing for
real time traversals and analytical queries is Olympian’s main benefit.

== Proposal ==

Olympian consists of about 75K of Java code under the Apache 2 license
. It supports very large
graphs, with many concurrent transactions and operational graph processing.
Olympian graphs scale with the number of machines in the cluster. Olympian
already integrates with a number of Apache projects:

   -

   Provides native support for the popular property graph data model
   exposed by Apache TinkerPop .
   -

   Provides native support for the Gremlin graph traversal language defined
   by Apache TinkerPop for programming language agnostic connectivity.
   -

   Provides graph persistence solutions with:
   -

  Apache Cassandra 
  -

  Apache HBase 
  -

   Provides advanced indexing with:
   -

  Apache Lucene 
  -

  Apache Solr 
  -

   Supports global graph analytics and batch graph processing through
the Apache
   Hadoop  framework with processors implemented
   with:
   -

  Apache Spark 
  -

  Apache Giraph 


Other software Olympian interfaces with includes:

   -

   BerkeleyDB
   -

   Elasticsearch


== Background ==

Marko Rodriguez and Matthias Broecheler, cofounders of the Aurelius graph
consulting firm, developed the Titan distributed graph database system and
made it available under the Apache 2 license in 2012. Marko is also a
cofounder of the Apache TinkerPop project and the primary developer of the
Gremlin graph traversal language. Other developers of Titan include Dan
LaRocque, Stephen Mallette, Daniel Kuppitz, and Pavel Yaskevich. Datastax
acquired Aurelius in February 2015, prior to the Titan 1.0 release in
September 2015.

Since Titan became available on GitHub, there have been 4434 commits, 38
branches, 23 releases, and 35 contributors.  In 2016 there has been less
activity as the original authors are busy with other software development,
but there is significant interest from the community.

== Rationale ==

(1) There are a number of Apache projects that integrate with Titan.

(2) Apache Atlas (incubating)  packages
and ships Titan as an essential component, yet Titan is not part of Apache.

(3) There are a number of existing users of Titan who are keen to continue
to develop the code. These users provide the basis of the community for the
proposed project.

== Initial Goals ==

The initial goals are as follows:

   -

   Establish the project governance in The Apache Way and broaden the
   community.
   -

   Distribute an incubating release aligned with the latest Apache
   TinkerPop version and prepared in accordance with the Apache release
   process.
   -

   Improve the documentation.
   -

   Add more unit/scenario tests.
   -

   Contribute functional and performance-related enhancements to the code.


== Current Status ==

The project will be forked off the existing Titan code base. This code has
been available under the Apache 2 License but has not been subject to the
Apache governance. The proposed project will adhere to Apache’s governance
and processes. This is one of the key benefits and reasons for 

Re: [VOTE] Apache Unomi 1.1.0-incubating release

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

-1 binding as it look like the source release has a dependancy on LGPL 
software. 

It may be that this is not actually a dependancy, and just an issue with the 
binary NOTICE file - but either way it should be fixed.

Everything else looks good however.

In the binary NOTICE you have:

"This product contains a modified version of Dave Koelle's Alphanum Algorithm,
which can be obtained at:

  * LICENSE:
* LICENSE.alphanum.txt (GNU LGPL 2.1 or above)
  * HOMEPAGE:
* http://www.davekoelle.com/alphanum.html

LGPL is Category X [4]


Checked for the source release:
- name contains incubating
- signatures and hashes good
- DISCLAIMER exists
- LICENSE good
- NOTICE contains unneeded info re MIT licensed code [1]. Pease remove for next 
release.
- All source files have ASF headers
- No unexpected binary files
- Can compile from source

I didn’t fully check the binary release, but it has some LICENSE and NOTICE 
issues:
- The Apache license text should be at the start of the LICENSE File
- The NOTICE contain far too much unneeded information. See [2][3] on what goes 
in NOTICE.
- Looks like BINARY may contain LGPL licensed software according to it’s 
license.

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps
2. http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice
3. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
4. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Streams version 0.3-incubating

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Please place the artefacts to vote on here [1].

I checked (all 3 source packages):
- name include incubating
- signatures and hashes correct
- DISCLAIMERS exists
- all LICENSE and NOTICE good
- No unexpected binary files
- All source files have Apache headers
- Can compile from source

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/streams

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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[vongosling]

+1 (enthusiastic, non-binding) :-)

2016-09-29 8:29 GMT+08:00 David Lyle :

> +1 (non-binding) Welcome!
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Bruno Flávio 
> wrote:
>
> > +1 (enthusiastic)
> >
> > On Tuesday, 27 September 2016 22:30:36 WEST Ate Douma wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> > > please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> > >
> > > The ASF voting rules are described at:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > >
> > > A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> > > for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> > >
> > > Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> > > enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> > >
> > > Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> > > If needed, start a new thread instead.
> > >
> > > This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> > > [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> > > [] +0 Abstain.
> > > [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> > >
> > >
> > > The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ate.
> > >
> > > == Abstract ==
> > >
> > > NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform,
> and
> > > application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> > >
> > > == Proposal ==
> > > Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> > while
> > > sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> > > focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being
> focused
> > > on tools for other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as
> > > JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to actively support its
> > > community by means of mailing lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> > >
> > > == Background ==
> > > NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> > student
> > > project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and,
> with
> > the
> > > acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of
> Oracle.
> > > Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has
> been
> > > free and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a
> mechanism
> > > for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> > >
> > > == Rationale ==
> > > Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> > like
> > > Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> > > contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies
> > are
> > > using NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or
> > commercial
> > > applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves
> > to
> > > neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish
> > its
> > > control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected
> > to
> > > continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to
> > Apache,
> > > together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well
> > as
> > > self-employed individual contributors.
> > >
> > > == Initial Goals ==
> > > The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache
> umbrella
> > are
> > > to establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to
> > > open up the governance model so as to simplify and streamline
> > contributions
> > > from the community.
> > >
> > > == Current Status ==
> > >  Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> > code
> > > contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to
> > Apache
> > > is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> > > meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new
> > > contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and
> > > productive environment for purposes of providing a development
> > environment,
> > > tooling environment, and application framework.
> > >
> > >  Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users
> > around
> > > the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans
> is
> > > used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach
> > Java
> > > and other languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It
> is
> > > used by large organizations who base their software on the application
> > > framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating
> web
> > > sites and by developers using a range of tools, languages, and
> > technologies
> > > to be productive and efficient software developers.
> > >
> > >  Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> > > organizations, 

Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers

[Niclas Hedhman]

I like the idea, but isn't the initial list primarily a question for the
Secretary.
Is the Secretary ok with 1000 additional ICLAs arriving en masse from an
even larger project?

If so, then I think the solution is much simpler; *Let the podling decide*
if it is only Mentors, every user who has showed up at the project, or
anything in between. If the Secretary has workload issues with ICLAs, then
add a "max X" to the "let the podling decide". My guess is that the
Secretary would say Ok to up to 100, possibly much higher (it spreads out
over a few weeks). The less Incubator interferes the better, I think.

Niclas

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Greg Stein  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@apache.org
> > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Roman Shaposhnik  >
> > wrote:
> > >... Greg's proposal, as far as I can see, is predicated on mentors being
> > fully
> > > aware of an increased load...
> >
> > And as such might be an interesting filter to make sure mentors are
> > actually going to engage.
> >
>
> RIght. That was a bit of my thought: if the mentors aren't engaged enough
> to vote people in, then what are they doing there.(*)
>
> The basic concept can certainly be fiddled with. I see a couple ways:
> increased mentor count for the bootstrap work, and/or maybe set the initial
> list at (5) rather than (0).
>
> But back to (*), the mentors may only be there for *community*
> development/education. As stated elsethread, such mentors may not be
> properly equipped to evaluate merit for committership. That's a fair point
> which I had not considered. ... So you could maybe imagine (1) Champion,
> (3) Mentors, and (5) PPMC/committers to start any podling.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>



-- 
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[David Lyle]

+1 (non-binding) Welcome!

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Bruno Flávio  wrote:

> +1 (enthusiastic)
>
> On Tuesday, 27 September 2016 22:30:36 WEST Ate Douma wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> > please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > The ASF voting rules are described at:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> > for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> >
> > Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> > enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> >
> > Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> > If needed, start a new thread instead.
> >
> > This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> > [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> > [] +0 Abstain.
> > [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> >
> >
> > The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ate.
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> > application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> > Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while
> > sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> > focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused
> > on tools for other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as
> > JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to actively support its
> > community by means of mailing lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> >
> > == Background ==
> > NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student
> > project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> > acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> > Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> > free and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism
> > for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> > Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like
> > Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> > contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies
> are
> > using NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or
> commercial
> > applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves
> to
> > neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish
> its
> > control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected
> to
> > continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to
> Apache,
> > together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well
> as
> > self-employed individual contributors.
> >
> > == Initial Goals ==
> > The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are
> > to establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to
> > open up the governance model so as to simplify and streamline
> contributions
> > from the community.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> >  Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code
> > contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to
> Apache
> > is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> > meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new
> > contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and
> > productive environment for purposes of providing a development
> environment,
> > tooling environment, and application framework.
> >
> >  Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users
> around
> > the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is
> > used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach
> Java
> > and other languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is
> > used by large organizations who base their software on the application
> > framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web
> > sites and by developers using a range of tools, languages, and
> technologies
> > to be productive and efficient software developers.
> >
> >  Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> > organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> > NetBeans.
> >
> >  Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission
> > critical scientific software at large organizations in defense,
> aerospace,
> > logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA,
> > and NATO.
> >
> > == Known Risks 

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Niclas Hedhman]

+1 (non-binding)

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Bruno Flávio  wrote:

> +1 (enthusiastic)
>
> On Tuesday, 27 September 2016 22:30:36 WEST Ate Douma wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> > please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > The ASF voting rules are described at:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> > for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> >
> > Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> > enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> >
> > Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> > If needed, start a new thread instead.
> >
> > This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> > [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> > [] +0 Abstain.
> > [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> >
> >
> > The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ate.
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> > application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> > Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while
> > sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> > focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused
> > on tools for other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as
> > JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to actively support its
> > community by means of mailing lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> >
> > == Background ==
> > NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student
> > project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> > acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> > Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> > free and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism
> > for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> > Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like
> > Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> > contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies
> are
> > using NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or
> commercial
> > applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves
> to
> > neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish
> its
> > control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected
> to
> > continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to
> Apache,
> > together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well
> as
> > self-employed individual contributors.
> >
> > == Initial Goals ==
> > The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are
> > to establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to
> > open up the governance model so as to simplify and streamline
> contributions
> > from the community.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> >  Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code
> > contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to
> Apache
> > is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> > meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new
> > contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and
> > productive environment for purposes of providing a development
> environment,
> > tooling environment, and application framework.
> >
> >  Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users
> around
> > the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is
> > used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach
> Java
> > and other languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is
> > used by large organizations who base their software on the application
> > framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web
> > sites and by developers using a range of tools, languages, and
> technologies
> > to be productive and efficient software developers.
> >
> >  Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> > organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> > NetBeans.
> >
> >  Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission
> > critical scientific software at large organizations in defense,
> aerospace,
> > logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA,
> > and NATO.
> >
> > == Known Risks ==
> >   

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Aether, renamed to Maven Artifact Resolver

[Olivier Lamy]

+1

On 29 September 2016 at 01:25, Hervé Boutemy  wrote:

> Apache Maven received a code donation for Aether, that we renamed to Maven
> Artifact Resolver to fix a trademark issue:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-aether.html
>
> The import plan is more detailed at http://maven.apache.org/aether.html
>
> Please vote to approve this contribution. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1
> votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>



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Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Aether, renamed to Maven Artifact Resolver

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I notice the ant repo contains other 3rd party code. I assume this is not going 
to part of the software grant?

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Bruno Flávio]

+1 (enthusiastic)

On Tuesday, 27 September 2016 22:30:36 WEST Ate Douma wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> 
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> 
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> 
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> 
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
> 
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> 
> 
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ate.
> 
> == Abstract ==
> 
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused
> on tools for other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as
> JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to actively support its
> community by means of mailing lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> 
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism
> for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> 
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
> 
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella are
> to establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to
> open up the governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions
> from the community.
> 
> == Current Status ==
>  Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new
> contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and
> productive environment for purposes of providing a development environment,
> tooling environment, and application framework.
> 
>  Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is
> used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java
> and other languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is
> used by large organizations who base their software on the application
> framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web
> sites and by developers using a range of tools, languages, and technologies
> to be productive and efficient software developers.
> 
>  Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
> 
>  Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space, NASA,
> and NATO.
> 
> == Known Risks ==
>  Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the project being orphaned.
> 
>  Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since the early days of its sponsorship by Sun 

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Aether, renamed to Maven Artifact Resolver

[Stephen Connolly]

+1 from me as maven PMC member and as one of the contributors to the code
base (all 7 commits worth iirc ;-) )

On Wednesday 28 September 2016, Hervé Boutemy  wrote:

> Apache Maven received a code donation for Aether, that we renamed to Maven
> Artifact Resolver to fix a trademark issue:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-aether.html
>
> The import plan is more detailed at http://maven.apache.org/aether.html
>
> Please vote to approve this contribution. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1
> votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Craig Russell]

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
> 
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [X] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...

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Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Aether, renamed to Maven Artifact Resolver

[Karl Heinz Marbaise]

Hi,

+1 from me.

Kind regards
Karl Heinz Marbaise
On 28/09/16 17:25, Hervé Boutemy wrote:

Apache Maven received a code donation for Aether, that we renamed to Maven
Artifact Resolver to fix a trademark issue:

http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-aether.html

The import plan is more detailed at http://maven.apache.org/aether.html

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votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.

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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Danese Cooper]

Please VOTE as follows
[x] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator (binding vote)

Danese


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the
> project being orphaned.
>
> Inexperience with Open 

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Leonardo Loch Zanivan]

+1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM Julien Enselme  wrote:

> +1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)
> --
> Julien Enselme
> http://www.jujens.eu/

[VOTE] Release Apache Streams version 0.3-incubating

[Steve Blackmon]

This is the third incubator release for Apache Streams, with the
artifacts being versioned as 0.3-incubating. All issues raised during
PPMC voting have been addressed.

We are requesting two additional IPMC member votes, as we have
received 1 binding IPMC +1 vote during the release voting on streams-dev.

VOTE:
http://markmail.org/message/2467nph27u4nz7cd

RESULT:
http://markmail.org/message/herkclxty45n75na

IPMC member votes from the streams-dev list:
Ate Douma: +1

The following artifacts are up for a vote:

incubator-streams-master source tag (r0.3-incubating):
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-streams-master.git;a=commit;h=4a148fc84ce688165f85f9813ebd46ceda73b5e4

incubator-streams source tag (r0.3-incubating):
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-streams.git;a=commit;h=bf17cfcba3a4f22a40592d9fbe0ecb47d6cfd58e

incubator-streams-examples source tag (r0.3-incubating):
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-streams-examples.git;a=commit;h=3e91ab1da036f6e6b3e0ea2fd38519770018198f

Maven staging repo:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014

Source releases:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014/org/apache/streams/streams-master/0.3-incubating/streams-master-0.3-incubating-source-release.zip
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014/org/apache/streams/streams-project/0.3-incubating/streams-project-0.3-incubating-source-release.zip
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014/org/apache/streams/streams-examples/0.3-incubating/streams-examples-0.3-incubating-source-release.zip

The source zip artifacts, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014/org/apache/streams/streams-master/0.3-incubating/
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014/org/apache/streams/streams-project/0.3-incubating/
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1014/org/apache/streams/streams-examples/0.3-incubating/

Checksums of streams-master-0.3-incubating-source-release.zip:
MD5: 28b5f6b973195b93b8728d2e1734e25a
SHA1: 89c24bdaae4d4f0ad699d9fe5f4749bde1eae953

Checksums of streams-project-0.3-incubating-source-release.zip:
MD5: 066031e9d68d00b271ed4085f5203976
SHA1: 046a46bab61f995a88ff138dc182099c6d9a14f1

Checksums of streams-examples-0.3-incubating-source-release.zip:
MD5: 1a67d67fa1548ffb614bd1ad93141f96
SHA1: 7e059149915c648033514eb981137fa35e8a645d

Release artifacts are signed with the following key:
https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/sblackmon.asc

Please take the time to verify the artifacts before casting your vote.

Vote open for 72 hours.

[ ] +1 approve
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)

VERIFICATION NOTES:

These repositories must be built in the right order: first
streams-master, then streams-project, finally streams-examples, all
using:

   mvn clean install test verify

MAVEN_OPTS should set the java heap to at least 2G for best results.

Please use the latest version of JDK 1.7.0 or JDK 1.8.0 as earlier
versions may encounter issues running the verify phase on certain
modules.

ABOUT PODLING STREAMS:

Apache Streams (incubating) unifies a diverse world of digital
profiles and online activities into common formats and vocabularies,
and makes these datasets accessible across a variety of databases,
devices, and platforms for streaming, browsing, search, sharing, and
analytics use-cases.

The project aims to provide simple two-way data interchange with all
popular REST APIs in activity streams formats using a universal
protocol. Streams compatibility with multiple storage back-ends and
ability to be embedded within any java-based real-time or batch data
processing platform ensures that its interoperability features come
with little technical baggage.

Steve Blackmon
sblack...@apache.org

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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Julien Enselme]

+1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Pavel Tupitsyn]

+1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Tushar Joshi 
wrote:

> +1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Tushar Joshi]

+1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Geertjan Wielenga]

+1 (enthusing-not-binding)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Jorge Flávio Costa 
wrote:

> +1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)
>
> Em ter, 27 de set de 2016 às 17:30, Ate Douma  escreveu:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> > please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > The ASF voting rules are described at:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> > for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> >
> > Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> > enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> >
> > Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> > If needed, start a new thread instead.
> >
> > This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> > [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> > [] +0 Abstain.
> > [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> >
> >
> > The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ate.
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> > application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> > Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while
> > sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> > focus on
> > providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> > for
> > other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP,
> and
> > C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> > mailing
> > lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> >
> > == Background ==
> > NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student
> > project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> > the
> > acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> > Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> > free
> > and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> > driving
> > the Java ecosystem forward.
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> > Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like
> > Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> > contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies
> are
> > using
> > NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> > applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves
> to
> > neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish
> its
> > control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected
> to
> > continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to
> Apache,
> > together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well
> as
> > self-employed individual contributors.
> >
> > == Initial Goals ==
> > The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> > are to
> > establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> > up the
> > governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> > community.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> >  Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> > code
> > contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to
> Apache
> > is to
> > expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> > meritocracy in
> > NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> > will
> > welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> > purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> > application framework.
> >
> >  Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users
> around
> > the
> > world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is
> used
> > by
> > teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> > other
> > languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> > large
> > organizations who base their software on the application framework
> beneath
> > NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> > developers
> > using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> > efficient software developers.
> >
> >  Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> > organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> > NetBeans.
> >
> >  Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> > mission
> > critical scientific software at large organizations in defense,
> aerospace,
> > logistics, and 

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Jorge Flávio Costa]

+1 (enthusiastic, non-binding)

Em ter, 27 de set de 2016 às 17:30, Ate Douma  escreveu:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
>  Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
>  Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
>  Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
>  Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
>  Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the
> project being orphaned.
>
>  Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> 

Re: Git release candidate tagging policy? [was: Re: [VOTE] Apache BatchEE 0.4-incubating]

[David Nalley]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> On 2016-09-26 17:22, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>
>> Stian, this is established practice in the ASF since the very early days
>> of playing with GIT.
>> It is used e.g. in the following TLPs:
>> TomEE
>> DeltaSpike
>> Johnzon
>> CouchDB
>> Maven
>> and many, many more!
>>
>>
>> It also got discussed on members, infra and even board lists.
>
>
> The suggestion 'this' is established practice in the ASF made me wonder.
> So I tried to lookup some reference, background and/or discussion around it.
> But I have not been able to find anything!
> Of the above listed projects, only DeltaSpike actually has a page describing
> *what* to do, written by you, but otherwise: nothing AFAICT.
> I also briefly scanned the members and board lists, seeing if I somehow
> missed a
> crucial discussion about this in the last several years.
> But nothing jumped out to me what might be related.
>
> I haven't been really actively involved (much) in ASF projects using git
> so far, so it didn't really matter much to me yet until now.
> And I probably didn't try hard enough researching it either.
>
> But if this really is an established practice, then at least it should be
> easy
> to find and properly described, somewhere. Especially as some incubator
> guide.
> So where is or was this discussed, do you have some pointers?
>

There is precedent both ways. It's been discussed pretty heavily in
specific instances, but AFAIK, no policy exists.
If you're interested in backstory of two examples, look at board@
discussions on AsterixDB using Gerrit and Usergrid using Github.

Sam has also written a document up that discusses the nuances of DVCS
and how commits land in ASF git repo and the fact that 'canonical'
doesn't really exist in the way we think it does for DVCSes.

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Re: Git release candidate tagging policy? [was: Re: [VOTE] Apache BatchEE 0.4-incubating]

[Mark Struberg]

Hi Jochen!


The discussion was about whether a local release build (GIT runs locally and a 
'commit' doesn't push to the canonical ASF repo) should immediately get pushed 
to the ASF repo or just to a PMC owned 'other' GIT repo (e.g. on github). 


In various projects we prefer pushing to github because it doesn't pollute the 
ASF repo in case the VOTE needs to get cancelled. Remember that you cannot 
effectively delete a commit/branch/tag from our repos as they almost 
immediately get pulled downstream. 

And as the sha1 is cryptographically strong it is guaranteed that when the VOTE 
succeeds we get the exact content which was voted upon pushed to the ASF repo 
anyway.


But otoh if a project decides to use -RC1..17 it's also fine.
BUT: they pollute their branches and tags and they actually would need to do a 
2nd VOTE afterwards on the .Final release. So it is much more work and thus not 
recommended. But otoh it's not a blocker neither.


LieGrue,
strub




> On Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 16:13, Jochen Wiedmann 
>  wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
> 
>>>  Stian, this is established practice in the ASF since the very early 
> days
> 
> Could someone please enlighten me, what "this" is about?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jochen
> 
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Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Aether, renamed to Maven Artifact Resolver

[Jochen Wiedmann]

*Big* +1. Lets hope, that Sisu follows (sooner, or later). It feels
*so* unnatural, to have this stuff at Eclipse.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Hervé Boutemy  wrote:
> Apache Maven received a code donation for Aether, that we renamed to Maven
> Artifact Resolver to fix a trademark issue:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-aether.html
>
> The import plan is more detailed at http://maven.apache.org/aether.html
>
> Please vote to approve this contribution. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1
> votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
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[IP CLEARANCE] Aether, renamed to Maven Artifact Resolver

[Hervé Boutemy]

Apache Maven received a code donation for Aether, that we renamed to Maven 
Artifact Resolver to fix a trademark issue:

http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-aether.html

The import plan is more detailed at http://maven.apache.org/aether.html

Please vote to approve this contribution. Lazy consensus applies. If no -1
votes are cast within the next 72 hours, the vote passes.

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Re: Git release candidate tagging policy? [was: Re: [VOTE] Apache BatchEE 0.4-incubating]

[Jochen Wiedmann]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:

>> Stian, this is established practice in the ASF since the very early days

Could someone please enlighten me, what "this" is about?

Thanks,

Jochen


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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Jochen Wiedmann]

+1 (Binding)


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella are
> to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open up
> the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space, NASA,
> and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee against
> the
> project being orphaned.
>
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since
> the early days of its sponsorship 

Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

[Jim Jagielski]

On 2016-09-28 05:20 (-0400), Isabel Drost-Fromm  wrote: 
> 

> @Roman: If you step back and re-read the statement, maybe you can follow my
> first intuition that this could actually be seen as praise to the person who
> brought this issue up despite not being officially affiliated/ involved with
> the Netbeans proposal. (@Jim, maybe I'm totally off here interpreting your 
> words
> waaay too optimistically ;) )

Nope, not at all! That's how I meant it. Thanks for seeing that.


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Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers

[Jochen Wiedmann]

In all honesty: What would I as a mentor do, to get the project
rolling? Obvious: Ask the mailing list for an "Initial committer
list". So, what's the point?

Jochen


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Greg Stein  wrote:
> The NetBeans proposal (among many others in the past) has demonstrated a
> significant "problem" with trying to establish an appropriate list of
> initial committers. There are many people that want to be on, for various
> reasons. Because they are committers, recent or historic. Or they want the
> "prestige" to be there. Some people believe they "deserve" to be on the
> list. etc etc
>
> Establishing the list is particularly difficult for large and old
> communities.
>
> But. What if we just said "no such list" ?
>
> This will shift the initial voting of committers upon the Champion/Mentors
> who will construct the entirety of the PPMC. But hey: aren't they supposed
> to be involved? Aren't they supposed to demonstrate how to earn merit, and
> the committership that results?
>
> This would also solve the problem of initial committers that have not
> established any merit whatsoever. We've had many situations where people
> simply add themselves to the list. Why? Cuz they chose to do so. It is sort
> of silently allowed for IPMC members to add themselves. "I wanna join!"
> BAM. It happens.
>
> So yeah. Radical thought: NO initial list. The PPMC is just the Champion +
> Mentors. They will build the committers and PPMC according to merit. (note:
> this could be *very* fast for a particular few highly-engaged with bringing
> the project to the ASF)
>
> ???
>
> Cheers,
> -g



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Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

[Jim Jagielski]

I meant "officially" as far as champion or mentor. They are the people taking 
on the official responsibility and so the expectation is that they will be the 
most knowledgable and aware of issues, concerns, etc... AFAIK, the concerns 
that these stakeholders had were not shared w/ any of the mentors.

Please understand my comments from THAT PoV.

On 2016-09-27 18:39 (-0400), Roman Shaposhnik  wrote: 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> > I would have assumed that if Netbeans stakeholders had any issues
> > or question, or requests for clarification, they would have
> > pinged either their champion or one of their proposed mentors.
> >
> > As it is, it is only on this thread, and not on any Incubator/vote
> > thread that I can see that this even came up, and even then
> > it could easily have been overlooked.
> >
> > To be clear: "Netbeans stakeholders" had serious and misleading
> > information about what Apache provided and it was only brought
> > out via some backchannel discussion with someone not involved
> > in the Netbeans proposal (from the Apache side) at all...
> 
> I am actually offended by your categorization of me as the one who
> is "not involved in the Netbeans proposal (from the  Apache side) at all..."
> 
> Putting aside the amount of personal time I've spent on the phone,
> online, etc. trying to help this community calibrate their expectations
> about transition to ASF, I must say this: if you're telling a very active
> member of IPMC (myself) that somehow I'm not involved in the
> proposal just because my name isn't of the freaking list as a mentor
> I can only say one thing back to you: way to go crushing any desire
> I had to help. Way to go, Jim!
> 
> Thanks,
> Roman.
> 
> P.S. And for the record -- I was invited to be a mentor. I declined.
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Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Jochen Wiedmann]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Jaroslav Tulach
 wrote:

> There are also the [3rd party binaries used during NetBeans build](http://
> hg.netbeans.org/binaries/) - most of them available from Maven central. I
> already [created a patch](http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/rev/3178d0a561c8) to
> allow such download and it seems to work.

Depends on the license. That should certainly do for GPL'ed artifacts.
I don't foresee cases like Oracle JDBC Drivers, or the like.

Jochen


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Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

[Jim Jagielski]

I see no harm either... my concern was transparency and expectations. Nothing 
more. For something as complex as the NetBeans proposal we need to make sure 
these are clear from the start, imo

On 2016-09-27 18:58 (-0400), Ate Douma  wrote: 
> On 2016-09-28 00:50, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Sorry, Bertrand, not Ate, though I feel they're in sync.
> 
> In this case, you felt right :-)
> 
> Syncing with the mentors would have been appreciated, but I also
> see no harm done in Roman's trying to help out.
> 
> Thanks Roman!
> 
> Ate
> 
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From the NetBeans side, we appreciate Roman's callibration and Jim's
> >> transparency and Ate's diplomacy.
> >>
> >> Onwards.
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >> bdelacre...@apache.org
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> (removing board@ which has nothing to do with this)
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> >>> wrote:
>  ...Putting aside the amount of personal time I've spent on the phone,
>  online, etc. trying to help this community calibrate their expectations
>  about transition to ASF, I must say this:..
> >>>
> >>> Well, if some NetBeans community members had incorrect information and
> >>> you stepped in to fix that, the only thing I can say is: thank you
> >>> Roman!
> >>>
> >>> -Bertrand
> >>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Charith Elvitigala]

+1

On 28 September 2016 at 16:58, Stian Soiland-Reyes  wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Great committer list! Don't worry if you don't get all the ICLAs signed
> right away :-)
>
> On 27 Sep 2016 9:30 p.m., "Ate Douma"  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> > please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > The ASF voting rules are described at:
> >http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> > for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> >
> > Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> > enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> >
> > Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> > If needed, start a new thread instead.
> >
> > This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> > [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> > [] +0 Abstain.
> > [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> >
> >
> > The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> >https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ate.
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> > application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> > Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while
> > sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> > focus on
> > providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> > for
> > other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP,
> and
> > C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> > mailing
> > lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> >
> > == Background ==
> > NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student
> > project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> > the
> > acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> > Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> > free
> > and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> > driving
> > the Java ecosystem forward.
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> > Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like
> > Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> > contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies
> are
> > using
> > NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> > applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves
> to
> > neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish
> its
> > control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected
> to
> > continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to
> Apache,
> > together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well
> as
> > self-employed individual contributors.
> >
> > == Initial Goals ==
> > The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> > are to
> > establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> > up the
> > governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> > community.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> > Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code
> > contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to
> Apache
> > is to
> > expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> > meritocracy in
> > NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> > will
> > welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> > purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> > application framework.
> >
> > Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> > the
> > world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is
> used
> > by
> > teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> > other
> > languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> > large
> > organizations who base their software on the application framework
> beneath
> > NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> > developers
> > using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> > efficient software developers.
> >
> > Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> > organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> > NetBeans.
> >
> > Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission
> > critical scientific software at large organizations in defense,
> 

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[jean-frederic clere]

On 09/27/2016 10:30 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
> [X] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

Cheers

Jean-Frederic

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Re: Ease of release process and exit criteria

[Stian Soiland-Reyes]

Agreed, it is also a good way to "integration test" the documented release
process to have at least 2 release managers have a go.

If there are no emails on a podling list with questions on how to do a
release, then that hints of potential hidden knowledge, which as we see is
critical for future health of the project.

On 24 Aug 2016 4:19 a.m., "Roman Shaposhnik"  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ted Dunning 
> wrote:
> > I wonder if the requirement might be better phrased along the lines of
> > "must have releases completed by a total of > 2 release managers".
>
> I really like this criteria and use it extensively with my podlings.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Stian Soiland-Reyes]

+1 (non-binding)

Great committer list! Don't worry if you don't get all the ICLAs signed
right away :-)

On 27 Sep 2016 9:30 p.m., "Ate Douma"  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the
> project being orphaned.
>
> Inexperience with Open 

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Wade Chandler
 wrote:
> ...more later when we get to an incubator...

+1

-Bertrand

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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Johannes Geppert]

+1

Best Regards

Johannes

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2016-09-28 11:48 GMT+02:00 Martin Klähn :

> +1 (enthusiasm)
>
> Martin
>
> Am 28.09.2016 9:33 AM schrieb "Emmanuel Lécharny" :
>
> > An obvious
> > > [X +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> >
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Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Wade Chandler]

On Sep 28, 2016 5:55 AM, "Sven Reimers"  wrote:
>
>
> 2. Use Maven repository as storahe backend for the plugin portal, so that
> only the metadata is hosted at the portal not the module binaries..
>

I think the terminology here is key. A "storage backend" for plugins.n.o.
Thus the current UI continues to work for users who are not perhaps self
hosting their plugins or building them to mvn central. I think plugins.n.o
can then be changed to support artifact coordinates as well, then plugin
authors can register them in multiple ways, and one of them upload and the
other meta-data plus coordinates. It could be future wise an archive type
could be uploaded to house all that extra plugin information or may already
be in the plugin itself...outside of screen shots, then then portal could
take only coordinate references without a version and automatically
reference the various versions over time, and be mostly automatic. We could
even drive more of this from DOAP registration (an Apache thing for those
who don't know) https://projects.apache.org/doap.html. Anyways, more later
when we get to an incubator.

Thanks

Wade

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Sven Reimers]

Hi,

if I understood Jaroslav correct he is proposing two changes

1. Download 3rd party binaries needed to build NetBeans from a maven
repository  (maven central, jcenter or if you behinf corporate firewalls a
synced self hosted repo using nexus or artifactory)

2. Use Maven repository as storahe backend for the plugin portal, so that
only the metadata is hosted at the portal not the module binaries..

Both ideas seem to be really good enhancements to the way this works now!

Thanks Jaroslav for the great idea and support

Sven

Am 28.09.2016 11:25 schrieb "Greg Stein" :

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jaroslav Tulach <
> jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >...
>
> > One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven
> > repository
> > more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central
> is
> > operated by Sonatype, it is just "leased" to them and still oversight by
> > Apache.
>
>
> Not so much. We license the "Apache Maven" trademark to them, to provide a
> fantastic service to the Maven community. But Maven Central is *all*
> Sonatype, and the ASF generally just provides oversight over trademark use
> (rather than operation).
>
> To state things another way: the ASF has zero control over what goes onto
> their platform. Shoot, we have a copy of the software which runs Maven
> Central, but it is proprietary and we merely hold a license to run it. This
> isn't pillows and unicorns. You will need to make a business case with
> Sonatype to include stuff beyond artifacts that Apache Maven can consume
> from their repository.
>
> (that is my reasonably-informed understanding; a discussion with Sonatype
> and the Apache Maven PMC is your best bet)
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Martin Klähn]

+1 (enthusiasm)

Martin

Am 28.09.2016 9:33 AM schrieb "Emmanuel Lécharny" :

> An obvious
> > [X +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
>
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Re: Ease of release process and exit criteria

[Mark Thomas]

On 20/08/2016 20:59, Mark Thomas wrote:
> 3. Identify somewhere to put all the good suggestions for, and links to
>examples of, smooth release processes and then pull all the links
>and suggestions from this thread to that place. I have a vague
>recollection of seeing such a thing previously. I'll need to do some
>digging to see it I can find it. Any hints?

I've added some content to:
http://incubator.staging.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practices-git-maven
http://incubator.staging.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-reproducability

Feel free to edit / enhance as necessary.

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Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

[Emilian Bold]

> 3) You write how the topic of "what value does the ASF provide to my
project"
comes up quite frequently in the incubator. Unless already done, I would
like to
see this documented under some stable URL to point people to. Not only do I
get
this question to from time to time, it might also help other projects
thinking
about going to the ASF make an informed decision.

+1

As somebody just getting used to Apache I would find such a document
interesting.

Pe miercuri, 28 septembrie 2016, Isabel Drost-Fromm  a
scris:

>
> (again an explicit note for the mix of private and public mailing lists for
> those hitting reply-to-all after reading the below)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I think we are talking cross-purposes here. Trying to summarize what I
> believe
> I'm hearing here, those actually involved, please correct if I'm totally
> off.
>
> For starters, Roman, I understand how being labelled "not involved in the
> Netbeans
> proposal" is offending to you. I do think there are a few points that Jim
> raised that truly are worrying though. In my opinion it makes sense to
> focus
> on these as opposed to discussing who is or isn't to "(git) praise" for
> them.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 03:39:26PM -0700, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jim Jagielski  > wrote:
> > > To be clear: "Netbeans stakeholders" had serious and misleading
> > > information about what Apache provided and it was only brought
> > > out via some backchannel discussion with someone not involved
> > > in the Netbeans proposal (from the Apache side) at all...
>
> For me this gets directly to the point: When I started being involved as
> more
> than a user at Apache one of the first principles I learnt was that
> essentially
> "anything that didn't happen on the mailing list didn't happen".
>
> If one of our projects (TLP, incubating, prospective) had a flawed
> understanding
> of what the ASF provides I would expect this discussion to be important
> enough
> to have it on some archived mailing list.
>
>
> > I am actually offended by your categorization of me as the one who
> > is "not involved in the Netbeans proposal (from the  Apache side) at
> all..."
>
> @Roman: If you step back and re-read the statement, maybe you can follow my
> first intuition that this could actually be seen as praise to the person
> who
> brought this issue up despite not being officially affiliated/ involved
> with
> the Netbeans proposal. (@Jim, maybe I'm totally off here interpreting your
> words
> waaay too optimistically ;) )
>
>
> > Putting aside the amount of personal time I've spent on the phone,
> > online, etc. trying to help this community calibrate their expectations
> > about transition to ASF
>
> I remember that whenever someone at Mahout was talking about having a
> discussion
> on IRC, Hipchat, Hangouts, Slack, on the phone or whatever your favourite
> sync communication tool was people popped up dragging the discussion (or at
> least the decisions made during the discussion) back to our canonical form
> of
> communication which happened to be the public mailing list.
>
> Back there it was for several good reasons: People who weren't in the same
> time
> zone got a chance to chime into the discussion, people late to the
> discussion -
> even years late - could still participate, if the same discussion ever
> came up
> again we could refer people back to the archives instead of repeating
> previous
> wisdom.
>
> I believe those reasons are also valid for discussions happening around
> projects
> going through incubation (including as early as around the time of proposal
> submission). On top I can see at least three more reasons why in the
> incubator
> we should err on the "put too much stuff on the mailing list instead of too
> little" actually:
>
> 1) In essence the incubator is where we "teach" new incoming projects how
> to
> collaborate. If we agree that the "if it didn't happen on the mailing list
> it
> didn't happen" actually is a thing, I believe we should act as role models
> for
> that principle so new projects have good examples to follow.
>
> 2) Netbeans is a very publicly visible project. It has many downstream
> users.
> There already is quite some controversial discussions around it going
> through
> incubation outside the ASF. I believe this makes it even more important to
> put
> as much information around how the project together with us arrived at
> certain
> decisions out publicly. Not only for others to follow now, but also to
> reference
> back to in the future.
>
> 3) You write how the topic of "what value does the ASF provide to my
> project"
> comes up quite frequently in the incubator. Unless already done, I would
> like to
> see this documented under some stable URL to point people to. Not only do
> I get
> this question to from time to time, it might also help other projects
> thinking
> about going to the ASF make an informed decision.
>
>
> Thanks for 

Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

(dropping board@, the part that I'm addressing is not relevant there)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm  wrote:
> ...3) You write how the topic of "what value does the ASF provide to my 
> project"
> comes up quite frequently in the incubator. Unless already done, I would like 
> to
> see this documented under some stable URL to point people to

That's a great idea - either at incubator.apache.org but that needs to
be maintained over time, or as a blog post at
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/ (or /incubator) where you make no
guarantees that the information stays up to date.

-Bertrand

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Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Greg Stein]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jaroslav Tulach  wrote:
>...

> One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven
> repository
> more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central is
> operated by Sonatype, it is just "leased" to them and still oversight by
> Apache.


Not so much. We license the "Apache Maven" trademark to them, to provide a
fantastic service to the Maven community. But Maven Central is *all*
Sonatype, and the ASF generally just provides oversight over trademark use
(rather than operation).

To state things another way: the ASF has zero control over what goes onto
their platform. Shoot, we have a copy of the software which runs Maven
Central, but it is proprietary and we merely hold a license to run it. This
isn't pillows and unicorns. You will need to make a business case with
Sonatype to include stuff beyond artifacts that Apache Maven can consume
from their repository.

(that is my reasonably-informed understanding; a discussion with Sonatype
and the Apache Maven PMC is your best bet)

Cheers,
-g

Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

[Isabel Drost-Fromm]

(again an explicit note for the mix of private and public mailing lists for
those hitting reply-to-all after reading the below)


Hi,

I think we are talking cross-purposes here. Trying to summarize what I believe
I'm hearing here, those actually involved, please correct if I'm totally off.

For starters, Roman, I understand how being labelled "not involved in the 
Netbeans
proposal" is offending to you. I do think there are a few points that Jim
raised that truly are worrying though. In my opinion it makes sense to focus
on these as opposed to discussing who is or isn't to "(git) praise" for them.


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 03:39:26PM -0700, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> > To be clear: "Netbeans stakeholders" had serious and misleading
> > information about what Apache provided and it was only brought
> > out via some backchannel discussion with someone not involved
> > in the Netbeans proposal (from the Apache side) at all...

For me this gets directly to the point: When I started being involved as more
than a user at Apache one of the first principles I learnt was that essentially
"anything that didn't happen on the mailing list didn't happen".

If one of our projects (TLP, incubating, prospective) had a flawed understanding
of what the ASF provides I would expect this discussion to be important enough
to have it on some archived mailing list.


> I am actually offended by your categorization of me as the one who
> is "not involved in the Netbeans proposal (from the  Apache side) at all..."

@Roman: If you step back and re-read the statement, maybe you can follow my
first intuition that this could actually be seen as praise to the person who
brought this issue up despite not being officially affiliated/ involved with
the Netbeans proposal. (@Jim, maybe I'm totally off here interpreting your words
waaay too optimistically ;) )


> Putting aside the amount of personal time I've spent on the phone,
> online, etc. trying to help this community calibrate their expectations
> about transition to ASF

I remember that whenever someone at Mahout was talking about having a discussion
on IRC, Hipchat, Hangouts, Slack, on the phone or whatever your favourite
sync communication tool was people popped up dragging the discussion (or at
least the decisions made during the discussion) back to our canonical form of
communication which happened to be the public mailing list.

Back there it was for several good reasons: People who weren't in the same time
zone got a chance to chime into the discussion, people late to the discussion -
even years late - could still participate, if the same discussion ever came up
again we could refer people back to the archives instead of repeating previous
wisdom.

I believe those reasons are also valid for discussions happening around projects
going through incubation (including as early as around the time of proposal
submission). On top I can see at least three more reasons why in the incubator
we should err on the "put too much stuff on the mailing list instead of too
little" actually:

1) In essence the incubator is where we "teach" new incoming projects how to
collaborate. If we agree that the "if it didn't happen on the mailing list it
didn't happen" actually is a thing, I believe we should act as role models for
that principle so new projects have good examples to follow.

2) Netbeans is a very publicly visible project. It has many downstream users.
There already is quite some controversial discussions around it going through
incubation outside the ASF. I believe this makes it even more important to put
as much information around how the project together with us arrived at certain
decisions out publicly. Not only for others to follow now, but also to reference
back to in the future.

3) You write how the topic of "what value does the ASF provide to my project"
comes up quite frequently in the incubator. Unless already done, I would like to
see this documented under some stable URL to point people to. Not only do I get
this question to from time to time, it might also help other projects thinking
about going to the ASF make an informed decision.


Thanks for reading this far, hope you find the above helpful,
Isabel


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Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Geertjan Wielenga]

This would be brilliant. Make it happen!

Gj

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Jaroslav Tulach 
wrote:

> On sobota 24. září 2016 12:17:21 CEST, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving the
> > go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to
> > host this.
>
> Hi.
> One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven
> repository
> more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central is
> operated by Sonatype, it is just "leased" to them and still oversight by
> Apache. As such the Maven central could be a natural place to upload
> NetBeans
> related binaries.
>
> NetBeans already knows how to produce Maven artifacts and there is a
> NetBeans
> Maven repository: http://bits.netbeans.org/nexus/content/groups/netbeans/
>
> In addition to that we could modify the http://plugins.netbeans.org to be
> just
> a catalog over bits available in Maven central.
>
> There are also the [3rd party binaries used during NetBeans build](http://
> hg.netbeans.org/binaries/) - most of them available from Maven central. I
> already [created a patch](http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/rev/3178d0a561c8)
> to
> allow such download and it seems to work.
>
> Would downloading bits from Maven repository address the legal and
> infrastructure issues?
>
> It might, right? Legal issues of hosting bits at maven.org are probably
> well
> understood. The storage capacity is high. Download is instant. Maven
> repository is the natural storage for Apache projects. If my observations
> are
> true, let's start of modifying NetBeans to use Maven central more.
>
> Jaroslav Tulach
> NetBeans Platform Architect
>
>
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Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Jaroslav Tulach]

On úterý 27. září 2016 11:27:29 CEST, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> 
>  wrote:
> > ...Together with Bertrand and the organizations volunteering to
> > host this service, we'll need to find terms of agreement -- which I think
> > we should try to model on those of Sonatype in relation to Apache Maven...
> 
> As Mark suggested earlier there's also the option to distribute the
> binaries via Maven Central and the much smaller metadata via the
> Apache mirroring system. This would require no changes to existing
> agreements, assuming the extra load is acceptable for Maven Central.

I see. My previous email is then at least 17 hours too late. I beg your 
pardon.
-jt

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Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

[Jaroslav Tulach]

On sobota 24. září 2016 12:17:21 CEST, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving the
> go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to
> host this.

Hi.
One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven repository 
more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central is 
operated by Sonatype, it is just "leased" to them and still oversight by 
Apache. As such the Maven central could be a natural place to upload NetBeans 
related binaries.

NetBeans already knows how to produce Maven artifacts and there is a NetBeans 
Maven repository: http://bits.netbeans.org/nexus/content/groups/netbeans/

In addition to that we could modify the http://plugins.netbeans.org to be just 
a catalog over bits available in Maven central.

There are also the [3rd party binaries used during NetBeans build](http://
hg.netbeans.org/binaries/) - most of them available from Maven central. I 
already [created a patch](http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/rev/3178d0a561c8) to 
allow such download and it seems to work.

Would downloading bits from Maven repository address the legal and 
infrastructure issues? 

It might, right? Legal issues of hosting bits at maven.org are probably well 
understood. The storage capacity is high. Download is instant. Maven 
repository is the natural storage for Apache projects. If my observations are 
true, let's start of modifying NetBeans to use Maven central more.

Jaroslav Tulach
NetBeans Platform Architect



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Re: Ease of release process and exit criteria

[Mark Struberg]

+1

In practice this is often really a problem with many projects :/


LieGrue,
strub





> On Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 10:41, Mark Thomas  wrote:
> > On 20/08/2016 20:59, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>  All,
>> 
>>  It seems there is general consensus that this is a good idea. I'm
>>  therefore going to do the following.
>> 
>>  1. Draft some text to add to
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases
>> and bring that back to this list for discussion
> 
> The text I propose adding to the end of the first sentence in "Creating
> an Apache Release" section is:
> 
> It is also important for a project to document how to create a release.
> It should be possible for someone new to the project to work from the
> documentation to independently create a release. (Note: Creating a
> release is usually more complex than simply being able to build from
> source.)
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Ease of release process and exit criteria

[Mark Thomas]

On 20/08/2016 20:59, Mark Thomas wrote:
> All,
> 
> It seems there is general consensus that this is a good idea. I'm
> therefore going to do the following.
> 
> 1. Draft some text to add to
>http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases
>and bring that back to this list for discussion

The text I propose adding to the end of the first sentence in "Creating
an Apache Release" section is:

It is also important for a project to document how to create a release.
It should be possible for someone new to the project to work from the
documentation to independently create a release. (Note: Creating a
release is usually more complex than simply being able to build from
source.)

Thoughts?

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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Emmanuel Lécharny]

An obvious
> [X +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator 


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Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Stephen Connolly]

+1 (enthusiasting)

On Tuesday 27 September 2016, Ate Douma  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the
> project being orphaned.
>
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since
> the early days of its 

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Greg Stein]

+1 (binding)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:12 PM, P. Taylor Goetz  wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> -Taylor
>
> On Sep 27, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Sergio Fernández]

+1 (binding)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
>
> The ASF voting rules are described at:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
>
> Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
>
> Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> If needed, start a new thread instead.
>
> This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> [] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> [] +0 Abstain.
> [] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
>
>
> The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ate.
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform, and
> application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on while
> sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> focus on
> providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on tools
> for
> other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and
> C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> mailing
> lists, tutorials, and documentation.
>
> == Background ==
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a student
> project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and, with
> the
> acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of Oracle.
> Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has been
> free
> and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism for
> driving
> the Java ecosystem forward.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place like
> Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies are
> using
> NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves to
> neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish its
> control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected to
> continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well as
> self-employed individual contributors.
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache umbrella
> are to
> establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to open
> up the
> governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from the
> community.
>
> == Current Status ==
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to Apache
> is to
> expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> meritocracy in
> NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> will
> welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment for
> purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment, and
> application framework.
>
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the
> world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is used
> by
> teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> other
> languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> large
> organizations who base their software on the application framework beneath
> NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> developers
> using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and
> efficient software developers.
>
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
>
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission
> critical scientific software at large organizations in defense, aerospace,
> logistics, and research, such as at Boeing, Airbus Defense and Space,
> NASA, and
> NATO.
>
> == Known Risks ==
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong
> and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a guarantee
> against the
> project being orphaned.
>
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since
> the early days of its 

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

[Sven Reimers]

+1 (expressing enthusiasm)

Sven

Am 28.09.2016 05:40 schrieb "Michael Müller" <
michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de>:

> +1
> --
> Herzliche Grüße, Best regards
> Michael Müller
>
> Twitter: @muellermi
> Blog: blog.mueller-bruehl.de
> Web Development with Java and JSF: leanpub.com/jsf
> Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams: leanpub.com/lambdas
>
>
> Am 27. September 2016 22:30:36 MESZ, schrieb Ate Douma :
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Now that the discussion thread on the NetBeans Proposal has ended,
> >please vote on accepting NetBeans into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> >The ASF voting rules are described at:
> >http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> >A vote for accepting a new Apache Incubator podling is a majority vote
> >for which only Incubator PMC member votes are binding.
> >
> >Votes from other people are also welcome as an indication of peoples
> >enthusiasm (or lack thereof).
> >
> >Please do not use this VOTE thread for discussions.
> >If needed, start a new thread instead.
> >
> >This vote will run for at least 72 hours. Please VOTE as follows
> >[] +1 Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator
> >[] +0 Abstain.
> >[] -1 Do not accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator because ...
> >
> >
> >The proposal is listed below, but you can also access it on the wiki:
> >https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ate.
> >
> >== Abstract ==
> >
> >NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform,
> >and
> >application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> >
> >== Proposal ==
> >Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> >while
> >sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to primarily
> >focus on
> >providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also being focused on
> >tools for
> >other ecosystems, languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP,
> >and
> >C/C++. It will continue to actively support its community by means of
> >mailing
> >lists, tutorials, and documentation.
> >
> >== Background ==
> >NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> >student
> >project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000 and,
> >with the
> >acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010, became part of
> >Oracle.
> >Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and Oracle, NetBeans has
> >been free
> >and open source and has been leveraged by its sponsor as a mechanism
> >for driving
> >the Java ecosystem forward.
> >
> >== Rationale ==
> >Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> >like
> >Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get more
> >contributions from various organizations. For example, large companies
> >are using
> >NetBeans as an application framework to build internal or commercial
> >applications and are much more likely to contribute to it once it moves
> >to
> >neutral Apache ground. At the same time, though Oracle will relinquish
> >its
> >control over NetBeans, individual contributors from Oracle are expected
> >to
> >continue contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to
> >Apache,
> >together with individual contributors from other organizations, as well
> >as
> >self-employed individual contributors.
> >
> >== Initial Goals ==
> >The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache
> >umbrella are to
> >establish a new home for an already fully functioning project and to
> >open up the
> >governance model so as to simplify and streamline contributions from
> >the community.
> >
> >== Current Status ==
> >Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of code
> >contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving to
> >Apache is to
> >expand the diversity of contributors and to increase the level of
> >meritocracy in
> >NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively seeking new contributors and
> >will
> >welcome them warmly and provide a friendly and productive environment
> >for
> >purposes of providing a development environment, tooling environment,
> >and
> >application framework.
> >
> >Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> >the
> >world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans is
> >used by
> >teachers and instructors at schools and universities to teach Java and
> >other
> >languages. It is used by students as an educational tool. It is used by
> >large
> >organizations who base their software on the application framework
> >beneath
> >NetBeans. It is used by web developers for creating web sites and by
> >developers
> >using a range of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive
> >and
> >efficient software developers.
> >
> > Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> >organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> >NetBeans.
> >
> >Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of mission