Re: [DISCUSS] - Packages renaming and backward compatibility (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator)
On 29/02/12 10:02, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: I don't see that this getting to any clear end yet. So I suggest that we take this from a Sqoop instance to be a discussion on rules them selves. I would like to start a [VOTE] about whether it is a *must* for podlings to rename all packages before being a TLP or not over keeping the old package names for backward compatibility. What ever the consensus going to be built we definitely need to update the Incubator documents to clear this kind of issue. But before starting the vote I would like to consider others' opinions. Thoughts ? In the case of Apache Jena (incubating), we have more than ten years' worth of existence as an open-source project. In that time, there have been countless tutorials, articles, research papers, code snippets, books and add-on tools that make use of Jena code in the com.hp namespace. But Jena was never an HP *product*, it was an output from the HP research lab in the UK. Our intention as Apache project has been much like Sqoop's: to migrate to org.apache names but keep a compatibility layer in place. We had thought that migration wasn't necessary for graduation, but if it is, no biggie. What would be problematic for our community is if we can't host the compatibility layer packages *at all* under Apache. If we have to expunge all references to com.hp.* packages, then all that back-catalogue of tutorials etc will be instantly obsolete ... unless folks know to go and separately download the jena-compatibility package from SourceForge or wherever it would hypothetically end up. Some of the discussion around Sqoop has been that the backwards-compatibility requirement is all about Cloudera's customers so it's Cloudera's problem. In the case of Jena, it has never been about HP's customers, and it definitely isn't HP's problem since none of the current committers work there any more. Ian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator
On 29/02/12 13:07, Alex Karasulu wrote: [snip] There is no legal (trademark or copyright) problem that I'm aware of. There is no technical problem that I'm aware of. OK do we have the right to create any kind of package or class under com.cloudera (or any other companies packages)? This is a red-herring in my view: no packages or classes are being created if a project leaves a compatibility layer in place. The class/package names are merely not being deleted. Presuming that the original code was part of the inceptional code grant, one can conclude that the company in question doesn't mind their namespace being used by ASF projects *for that purpose*. Ian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA
On 27/11/10 13:34, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: I tend to agree with Craig in this particular case, as HP owns the code to Jena and it's HP employes, covered by a CCLA, who are going to commit it. I dont' think this makes a material difference to this discussion, but for clarity the committers are all *former* HP employees. The discontinuation of HP's semantic web research programme provided much of the motivation for migrating the copyright, and ongoing development, of Jena to a non-HP body. Ian -- Ian Dickinson Epimorphics Ltd, Bristol, UK mailto:i...@epimorphics.comhttp://www.epimorphics.com cell: +44-7786-850536 landline: +44-1275-399069 Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (no. 7016688). Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High St, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT, UK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?
On 08/11/10 15:09, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Wow! Jena is proposing to come to Apache??! Yep, the proposal has been under discussion for some time within the project, and Ross is now taking the lead in bringing it publicly into the incubator process. Bertrand wrote: 1. Clerezza, Stanbol and Jena are independent podlings, each aiming for top-level status 2. A Semantic Commons area is created for common code between these (and other) projects. Details to be discussed, this does probably not warrant a separate Apache project, but might be managed by Clerezza, as they were here first. 3. It is expected that those projects will have a number of committers in common, as there are many collaboration possibilities. As an Apache newbie it's hard to comment definitively, but it's not clear to me what the common needs of the projects might be, and how dependencies would handled. Are there examples of existing commons areas between Apache projects, other than basic application-library dependencies? Ian -- Ian Dickinson Epimorphics Ltd, Bristol, UK mailto:i...@epimorphics.comhttp://www.epimorphics.com cell: +44-7786-850536 landline: +44-1275-399069 Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (no. 7016688). Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High St, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT, UK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?
Hi Donald, On 08/11/10 17:01, Donald Whytock wrote: Perhaps db.apache.org would be a better example? Should there be a semantic.apache.org? I looked around in db.apache.org and I couldn't see anything that said what the goals of that project are, separate from the goals of the individual sub-projects. Where should I be looking? As others have noted, the three semantic web-related projects currently being proposed have rather different objectives and provide different capabilities. I personally don't object in principle to factoring out common code or needs where that's useful, but +1 to Olivier: let's wait until a clear requirement is identified. Ian -- Ian Dickinson Epimorphics Ltd, Bristol, UK mailto:i...@epimorphics.comhttp://www.epimorphics.com cell: +44-7786-850536 landline: +44-1275-399069 Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (no. 7016688). Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High St, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT, UK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
