Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
A (v)olunteer on the committer roster me too, if allowed M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +/- 0 (non binding) I am still going back and forth, on whether or not. against: I understand very well most of the arguments from André https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/1307a4afb87824f5 Please see here http://openoffice.org/projects/de/lists/users/archive as the number of messages on the user mailing list is going down. We are today by more or less 1/10th of the emails peak, we had on the german userlist. I assume that the user did notice the wrangling over OOo, and they were looking for alternatives. A product should be released asap, ore OOo will loose more users. I saw emails here during incubation which were not answere because IMHO the questions were distressing. I heard here some caustically notes, inappropriate to build a community. Nearly the whole and very active community in Brasil switched to LO. A lot of very brilliant and active members of the german community are working now at LO, doing a very good job. in favor: On the other side, a lot of brilliant hackers are joining the project, and I see a lot of experienced and honorable Hamburg-people ;-). conclusion: Are ASF people aware, that How the ASF works has to be rewritten? A new role has to be created? Enduser, because not every user of OOo did what a ASF user has to do (i mean user in terms of contributor). IMHO, OOo and LO must find a way out of divide et impera. I think it's not neccessary to explain who else might be interested in a riven and broken community. Doing the same things twice is not economic, it is inefficent and worse it's stupid. Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?
2011/6/7 robert_w...@us.ibm.com By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project further, On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects, commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO names. There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-) I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice. Regards, -Rob On the OOo lists, it was good practice that *all* presented themselves, even if they thought all right to be known. It would be helpful, fair and good for the spirit on the ASF-OOo lists to do it in the same way in the future. I think a person, starting such a thread, should set a good example. ;-) sorry for DEnglish ;-) - I hope my portuguese is better ;-) -- .- .-. just me: - not a hacker;-), studied business administration, University of Saarbrücken, Germany - former OOo Co-lead of the German project, - Community member since SUN, initiated the comminity, documentation, internationalisation, marketing, representation of OOo on show - CeBIT, LinuxTag,in companies such as Bitburger Brewery (some in incubator/OpenOfficeProposal will remember), COMMON Conferenz 2002 IBM e-Series meeting, Bad-Honnef, etc. - European school projects with OOo ... with schools in Portugal, Spain, Poland,Slovakia, Turkey, England, - former head teacher of vocational schools - business administration and computer science - 7 years Latin America, São Paulo, Brazil and responsible for the bilateral German vocational schools in Latin America (Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay) - still good friends with a lot of TDF members;-) - part-time and thus time for OS projects Interested in helping: Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation, community formation, internationalisation (not code, but documentation) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?
upps forgot ... reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-) ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) ) 2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com: [...] Interested in helping: Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation, community formation, internationalisation (not code, but documentation) Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?
Hi Christoph, 2011/6/9 Christoph Jopp j...@gmx.de: Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: upps forgot ... reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-) ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) ) I hope it will not take 40 years ;-) :-) :-) :-) M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: A little OOo history
Dear -Rob, all, 2011/6/7 robert_w...@us.ibm.com: [...] We should be able to check the math from another direction. Microsoft claims something like 400 million Office users. Studies looking at OOo install share show approximately 10%. Pick some random number between 6 and 12 months. Call it mean time to upgrade to a new OOo release. In my case the random number came out to be 10 months, fortunate for me for doing the math in my head. That gives 4 million users downloading/month. That gives 130,000 downloads/day. I know that is not the same number quoted, but it is in the ball park. Since this is a large download, I wonder whether the quoted numbers are impacted at all by timeouts, abandoned downloads attempts, etc. In other words, is it counting the HTTP GET's? Or the successful downloads? That may influence the load by quite a bit. It may even make it worse. And let's not even get started on the burst traffic when a major new release is announced. Of course, this is not necessarily a problem for Apache. Think of it this way. It would be perfectly possible, and actually quite easy for someone to host the files with a scalable cloud storage provider, e.g., Amazon, and charge $0.99 for the download, the cost of an iPhone app. That is over $30 million/year. Heck, I might just do that myself and retire! I only would like to know, whether this posting was really for the apache communtiy mailinglist or an IBM internal mailinglist to evolve a businessplan? cheers Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: A little OOo history
Hi -Rob 2011/6/7 robert_w...@us.ibm.com: Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote on 06/07/2011 03:43:56 PM: robert_w...@us.ibm.com: Not surprisingly, you missed my point (or chose to ignore it). We at Honestly, your insult does surprise me. Apache don't think that money is evil, but we also believe that seeing our code in wide use is more important than money. OpenOffice.org is important to the Developing World, some of whom will pay for convenience. I would hate to see Apache enter that business, however. Apache doesn't think or believe. Wise guy Do you think that is an attitude in a mailinglist of volunteers? That is an illogical reification. once more wisenhimer or what? If I've learned anything from participating in this list is that Apache members of of different minds on many things. That is fine. I have learned a lot in the OOo community, esp. that working with volunteers differs a little bit from a tone in a big company like yours. cheers Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: A little OOo history
Hi all, 2011/6/7 Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com: Some of you know I was closely involved in the original open-sourcing of StarDivision code as OpenOffice.org. I'm also an Apache Member. Thought some of the current discussions could benefit from a tiny bit of (no axe to grind) history. This information is offered in the spirit of trying to get it right as we go forward. I've offered to mentor the podling (should it be accepted, which I think is likely) because I'd really like to see the best outcome to a tough situation here. PLEASE only actual questions relating to the content of this message in this thread. 1) Why the .org? Well...the original owner of the code, Marco Boerries, was really fond of the name OpenOffice. No other name would do. However, Sun's lawyers were not willing to endorse a name that they couldn't secure worldwide trademarks on. There was an existing proprietary software package sold in the South Korean market that was using the name OpenOffice. In Switzerland, there is the brand name Open Office as well. - So be careful. ;-) Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Re-Introduction
Hi Flo, 2011/6/7 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Hi Rob, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote on 2011-06-07 18.17: [...] let's forget about it. I'm not made out of sugar, as we have a saying in Germany. an another one: Der Klügere gibt nach. But, please, everyone, let's not focus on the past, and let's not get personal or insulting. It simply doesn't help anyone. Peace, Gut gemacht. ;-) Florian Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: A little OOo history
Hi André, *, Am 7. Juni 2011 19:32 schrieb André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Hi, Am 07.06.2011 17:51, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: In Switzerland, there is the brand name Open Office as well. - So be careful. ;-) Last time I checked (~2 years ago) it was not registered anymore. The name itself is still in use. The current BACHER EDV Beratung (in Liechtenstein) took over the owner of the brand name in 2006 and is now using OpenOffice to describe the company's services (but it's not registered). thank you for this additional information cheers M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?
Hi Richard, * 2011/6/6 Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org On 6/6/11 2:48, Phil Steitz wrote: On 6/5/11 11:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/6/2011 1:06 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Phil Steitzphil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Disclaimer: I work for Oracle, but certainly don't speak for them and I knew nothing about this other than what i've read on these mailing lists... However, it seems like we have lost sight of the fact that TDF split the community from OOo. Sure, Oracle is the perceived villain and TDF the perceived good guy, but it doesn't change the fact that OOo created the community in the first place. Fact: Your employer provoked the split, by a absolute non-communication on the existing mailinglist. Now, to say that TDF has split the Communtiy is dishonest! Under these conditions, I'll change my entry in the wiki. Best regards Manfred, ex german Co-Lead OOo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?
Hi Ralph, 2011/6/6 Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com: On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: [...] Under these conditions, I'll change my entry in the wiki. done. Manfred, I wouldn't be so hasty. There are lots of opinions around here and we all need a bit of a thick skin. You shouldn't take what any one member says as the truth. Richard's second mail, arrived a second ago, showed, that he knows, what he is talking about. I need a rest now. ;-) Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?
Hi Simos, *, 2011/6/6 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: On 6/6/11 10:41, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: Hi Richard, * 2011/6/6 Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org [...] Fact: Your employer provoked the split, by a absolute non-communication on the existing mailinglist. Now, to say that TDF has split the Communtiy is dishonest! Forking splits communities. Whether you feel you had a justified reason for doing so does not change this fact. I am not weighing in on whether it is right or wrong in this case, since I think that is immaterial to where we are now. That's an example of denial. I do not see a conductive environment here if such attitudes are tolerated. I am only going by the facts as presented on the various Apache mailing lists. If it is true that TDF was engaged by Oracle/IBM before the Apache proposal, but failed to come to terms, then I cannot see how one can claim that the Apache proposal was merely an attempt to split the community. You should read more about free and open-source software, from diverse sources. Get a lwn.net subscription. Similar example, there was XFree86 long time ago that behaved just like the Oracle developers. sorry, I have to take the _developer's defense_. It is self-evident that salaried developers are not allowed to communicate on mailinglists what they are _thinking_ what her employer is thinking about the project. The more, the community of volunteers expect that a new owner (BTW: April 2009) expresses his ideas about the future of product. cheers Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: OO/LO License
sorry for last mail, mistake from a lurker ;-) ## Manfred
