Re: [VOTE] Accept Stonehenge into the Incubator

2008-11-17 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
+1, and I volunteer to be a mentor.
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache UIMACPP-2.2.2-incubating

2008-10-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache UIMA CasEditor-2.2.2-incubating

2008-08-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size

Jörn Kottmann wrote:


please vote again to release the Cas Editor. The first vote was
rejected, because the ICU license and notice was
missing, this is now fixed, see UIMA-1115.


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Re: [VOTE] Approve hotfix 1 for Apache UIMA v2.2.2-incubating

2008-07-15 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache UIMA CasEditor-2.2.2-incubating

2008-07-15 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache UIMA-AS 2.2.2-incubating

2008-07-15 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size

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Gummit crypto for UIMA-AS

2008-06-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size

Sending to Noel as i.a.o chair to forward..

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Account request for Jörn Kottmann for UIM A podling

2007-10-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Preferred userid: joern
Alternate userid: kottmann
Full name:Jörn Kottmann
Forwarding email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Requested karma:  uima

CLA is on file.

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Re: [VOTE] Approve release Apache UIMA 2.2.0-incubating

2007-08-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size

Thilo Goetz wrote:

The UIMA developers ask the Incubator PMC for permission to
publish a new release of UIMA, the second in the incubator.
This release contains many incremental changes and
improvements, please see the release notes for an exhaustive
list.

We held a vote on uima-dev that resulted in 5 binding +1s
(all the committers) and no 0s or -1s.  The vote thread
is here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-uima-dev/200708.mbox/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]

Please review the release candidate here:
http://people.apache.org/~twgoetz/uima-2.2.0-incubating/


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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed May 30 23:55:31 2007

2007-06-02 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed May 23 23:56:47 2007

2007-05-23 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed May 16 23:59:46 2007

2007-05-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed May 2 23:57:09 2007

2007-05-02 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Apr 25 23:57:21 2007

2007-04-25 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Apr 18 23:57:11 2007

2007-04-18 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Apr 4 23:50:36 2007

2007-04-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Inter-release minor fixes?

2007-03-29 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
The UIMA podling has a fairly serious problem that was inadvertently
introduced as part of the move to Apache, and was discovered by
the users after the recent release.  The fix is to update a few
files in a JAR; i.e., provide a replacement JAR.

I don't recall seeing this sort of thing coming up before (though
it probably has), so unless someone has a better suggestion here's
what I propose:

1. The new JAR is put in the same download area as the UIMA release,
   appropriately named.
2. A notice and instructions are posted to the Web and the mailing
   lists.

Since this is not a full release issue, I'd like to assume lazy
consensus for the above; i.e., unless someone objects, that's
what we'll do on Sunday or Monday.
-- 
#kenP-)}

Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 28 23:50:26 2007

2007-03-28 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 21 23:50:40 2007

2007-03-21 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 14 23:50:31 2007

2007-03-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: [VOTE][Retry] Approve the release of Apache UIMA 2.1.0-incubating

2007-03-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
+1

The copyright statement is true, AFAIK.  Portions are still under
IBM's copyright, and acknowledging that in this way seems good to
me for the reasons Marshall named.
-- 
#kenP-)}

Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Feb 21 23:56:26 2007

2007-02-21 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Feb 14 23:56:25 2007

2007-02-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Feb 7 23:56:05 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jan 31 23:54:23 2007

2007-01-31 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jan 24 23:56:02 2007

2007-01-24 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jan 10 23:53:38 2007

2007-01-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jan 3 23:51:15 2007

2007-01-03 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Dec 27 23:52:52 2006

2006-12-27 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Dec 20 23:55:41 2006

2006-12-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Dec 13 23:57:20 2006

2006-12-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Dec 6 23:50:11 2006

2006-12-06 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Nov 22 23:57:03 2006

2006-11-22 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: [VOTE] Publish Yoko M1 release

2006-11-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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robert burrell donkin wrote:
 
 hopefully some of the mentors will jump in sometime soon (it might be
 worth someone giving them a gentle prod)

Someone gave me a gentle prod, but I have been remiss in
my duties as mentor and would have to catch up on a lot
before I could vote other than 0. :-/  Which I'll do,
but hopefully this can proceed without having to wait
for me.
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Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Garrett raises a point about which I want to ask.
What criteria should a mentor use when it comes to
voting on a release?  I for one can't make any
judgement of its technical worth..
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Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 Sam Ruby wrote:
 
 There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 is where incubation happens.
 
 That is perjorative.  Want to start again?

What the flying moose ears is wrong with people today?
Everyone seems to be hyper-sensitive and twitchy.

Let's first agree on what 'incubation' means, as used
in 'where incubation happens.'  Sam?

If it means communities growing and adopting the
Apache paradigm, then I have to agree with Sam -- that
doesn't happen on the general list.
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Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 Sam Ruby wrote:
 
 There seems to be a persistent delusion that
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens.
 
 That is perjorative.  Want to start again?

I just spent a considerable amount of time going through
all the podling status pages, and there's a certain..
lack of uniformity about them.  I've attached the results.
The status pages don't really have check-off points for
at least two of the graduation criteria: diversity and
'has released something.'  I inferred release information
where I could easily do so.  Crude, so don't expect too
much of it; just meant to be a high-level skim.

There are some podlings which have been there for years
but haven't checked everything off yet; there are others
which have been there for only a few months and *have* finished
them.  Worse, there are some that have made releases while
the IP issues -- according to the status page -- are still
in doubt.

(On a side note: To be perfectly frank, it makes me cringe
to see this horribly effort-intensive and error-prone process
being used by the ASF.  IMHO, all this stuff should be
regularised and normalised and maintained via Web forms.  If
I don't get shouted down, maybe I'll work on that. ;-)

The result is that I'm not the least bit surprised that
there's so much inclarity about just what the hell is
going on in the incubator.  And that's not pejorative,
Noel, that's an observation of something I consider to
be a serious problem, and that I think we should try
to fix (assuming others think it's a problem as well).
-- 
#kenP-)}

Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

Millennium hand and shrimp!
 1. Abdera:
Mentors:Garrett Rooney, Paul Querna
Started:July 2006
Incomplete: Identification, Interim Responsibility, Copyright
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

 2. ActiveMQ:
Mentors:Jason van Zyl, James Strachan, Noel Bergman
Started:November 2005
Incomplete: Nothing
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   2

 3. ADF Faces:
Mentors:Craig McClanahan
Started:March 2006
Incomplete: Distribution Rights, Active Committers
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

 4. Agila:
Mentors:Geir Magnusson, Jr
Started:September 2004
Incomplete: Copyright, Committers
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

 5. AltRMI: RETIRED NOVEMBER 2006
Releases:   Unknown

 6. Cayenne:
Mentors:Jean Anderson, Brian McAllister, Bill Dudney
Started:March 2006
Incomplete: Nothing
Diverity:   Unknown
Releases:   1

 7. CXF (CeltixFire):
Mentors:Jim Jagielski, James Strachan, Peter Royal
Started:July 2006
Incomplete: Everything
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

 8. Felix:
Mentors:Alex Karasulu, Upayavira
Started:February 2006
Incomplete: Nothing
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

 9. FtpServer:
Mentors:Paul Hammant, Nicola Ken Barozzi
Started:April 2006
Incomplete: Identity, Interim Responsibility, Copyright
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

10. Graffito:
Mentors:Raphael Luta, Jukka Zitting
Started:September 2004
Incomplete: Identity
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

11. Harmony:
Mentors:Noel Bergman, Geir Magnusson Jr, Stefano Mazzocchi, Sam Ruby,
Leo Simons, Davanum Srinivas
Started:May 2005
Incomplete: Nothing
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

12. Heraldry:
Mentors:Ben Laurie, Paul Querna, Ted Leung
Started:August 2006
Incomplete: Identity, Copyright, Distribution, Committers, Infrastructure
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

13. Ivy:
Mentors:Antoine Levy-Lambert, Sylvain Wallez, Steve Loughran,
Stefan Bodewig
Started:November 2006
Incomplete: Interim, Copyright, Distribution Rights, Committers,
Infrastructure
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

14. JuiCE:
Mentors:Berin Lautenbach
Started:April 1004
Incomplete: Copyright, Distribution Rights, Committers
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

15. Log4net:
Mentors:Mark Womack
Started:January 2004
Incomplete: Identity, Committers
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   1

16. Log4php
Mentors:Mark Womack
Started:January 2004
Incomplete: Identity, Distribution Rights, Infrastructure
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

17. Lokahi: 
Mentors:William Rowe Jr, Yoav Shapira
Started:January 2006
Incomplete: Identity, Interim, Copyright, Distribution, Committers,
Infrastructure
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

18. Lucene4c:
Mentors:Erik Hatcher
Started:Unknown
Incomplete: All
Diversity:  Unknown
Releases:   Unknown

19. 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Nov 8 23:58:30 2006

2006-11-08 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[jira] Assigned: (INCUBATOR-49) create a status page for UIMA

2006-11-01 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size (JIRA)
 [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-49?page=all ]

Rodent of Unusual Size reassigned INCUBATOR-49:
---

Assignee: Rodent of Unusual Size

 create a status page for UIMA
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 Key: INCUBATOR-49
 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-49
 Project: Incubator
  Issue Type: Task
  Components: site
Reporter: Ian Holsman
 Assigned To: Rodent of Unusual Size

 please create a status page for UIMA (and other stuff required to start the 
 podling on the site).
 (I don't think I have the access to do this myself)

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[STATUS] (incubator) Thu Nov 2 00:01:57 2006

2006-11-01 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: New Name for UIMA Podling?

2006-10-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Marshall Schor wrote:
 Based on information in the notes about the Braintree proposal, I used 
 the service at the US Patent and Trademark office to look up UIMA - it 
 generates no hits.  Honu (one of the alternative names earlier 
 proposed) generates several hits - it's a live trademark. 

Okey, it seems fairly consensual that we stick with the UIMA
name, so I'll start the infrastructure creation under that name.
- --
#kenP-)}

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Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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Re: Any More Unsent Votes? (Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval))

2006-10-27 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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+1 (incubator PMC)
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Re: New Name for UIMA Podling?

2006-10-26 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Mads Toftum wrote:
 
 +1 - there seems to have started some sort of fascination with changing
 names where there is no need. In general I'm not really a fan of naming
 things so that it is impossible to guess what a project is (that's hard
 enough as it is already).

How would UIMA be pronounced in languages other than English?
Aside from that, I'm wary of tedious and uninspiring names,
like 'log4j'.  I'm also wary of retaining names for projects
that have had an existence prior to Apache.  One reason is
possible IP issues, and another is confusion.  If some commercial
concern has a product based on UIMA and they say so.. do they
mean Apache UIMA?  Pre-Apache UIMA?  If they adopt the Apache
package, do we need to worry about brand issues?  (Answer: yes.)

This is a new set of IP attributes for this item.  I seriously think
it needs a new name.. and not least because it's coming from
the company with probably the greatest investment in software IP
on the planet.  With all the (baseless) remarks about Apache
becoming a BigCo shill and clearinghouse, I see contraindications
for maintaining the BigCo name.

Just MHO.
- --
#kenP-)}

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Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Oct 25 23:59:24 2006

2006-10-25 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Oct 11 23:58:07 2006

2006-10-11 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-06 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Jim Jagielski wrote:
 
 I did not like the idea of rebooting CXF because I think
 the CXF community would have lost an important
 lessons-learned opportunity...

IMHO, there's been a 'lessons-learned' opportunity
for the incubator, too.
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Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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For some reason, I had the impression that there was
a phantom 'P' somewhere in the references to 'PMC'
going back and forth between Noel and Roy.

For the record, I disagree with Noel that only PMC
members (and I use the term advisedly) have binding
votes.  My belief is that only PPMC members have
binding votes, and that all committers should automatically
be on the PPMC.

I do not go along with Noel's remarks re PMC and legality;
one of the aspects of the incubator is that podlings
are very carefully contained and *unable* to make
decisions binding on the ASF.  Therefore, there should
be no issue about the bindingness of voted by PPMC members
who aren't also PMC members -- they should be binding on
the ppodling.  I mean 'podling.' :-)
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Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Mark Little wrote:
 On 4 Oct 2006, at 23:20, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
 
 You will, of course, infer and interpret events as you choose.
 It's pretty obvious to me, a complete outsider, that there was
 nothing 'random' about this at all.
 
 obvious has nothing to do with it. Check your facts in future
 please.

Lighten up, Mark.

I'm describing things from *my* perspective.  Don't tell
me what my perspective is.  I'm also responding to the
question you posed in the very first message in this
thread, before additional information was revealed, in
light of that information.

And yes, it's 'obvious' to me, in the same way that if
someone said Gandhi created al-Qaeda it would be 'obviously'
incorrect.  When I referred to myself as a 'complete outsider,'
I meant with regard to this specific issue, not wrt the
ASF or incubator.  I *do* have a little experience with
those.

If anyone considered altering the committer list, and it got
altered, there's nothing random about that.  And that appears
- -- to me -- to be what happened.

So to answer your very pointed question: Is random denial
of initial commiters typical?  I say, No, it isn't,
and I don't think that's what happened here.

 Again, you will draw your own conclusions.  Of course, your remark
 assumes that 'all the facts' are generally and publicly available,
 and 'all the parties involved' are equally well-advertised.
 
 In an open process I'd assume that was certainly the case.

Then I think your expectations are impossibly high.
There will *always* be facts and relationships not
universally known.  And people are people, and will
forget things and have their own opinions about what's
relevant and needing of mention -- and what isn't.  The
trick is to make sure that the *critical* ones *are* known.
And that won't always happen.

 *My* inference and interpretation is that there is absolutely
 no/zero/nada institutional malice involved.
 
 And has anyone implied any different? I certainly haven't.

Sorry, but it seemed to me from remarks like this:

 Sorry, but being strung along for the past 2 months on one set of 
 assumptions only to be presented with a fait accomplit

and

 Any objections should have been raised there and then, or the list
 pruned later by constructive and open debate. Not behind closed doors
 but a select few.

that you felt you were being discriminated against.  If that's
not what you meant or how you feel, I apologise for
misunderstanding.
- --
#kenP-)}

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Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Jim Jagielski wrote:
 
 I don't like that. I don't like that fact that from
 the start, those who are approved as initial committers
 aren't on the PPMC.

Fact, or would-be fact according to the proposal?

 If that means we need to trim the
 size of the initial pool of committers in the proposal,
 then I'm all for that. But restricting initial PPMC membership
 just to Mentors when those people who are the initial
 committers have (one hopes) already the long association
 with the code and the community aren't included in
 just seems wrong, and getting the podling off to
 the wrong start.

+1.  It sounds to me like a case of 'whoops, we
let this slip by; we didn't look at that portion of
the proposal as closely as we should have, so let's
rectify that now.'  (No insult intended to anyone.)

Short-term solution?  Live by the unwritten social
contract: that the 'initial committers' in the accepted
proposal *are* the initial committers for the podling.

Long-term solution?  Pay more attention to that part of the
proposal in the future.
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Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Mark Little wrote:
 
 Is random denial of initial commiters typical?
 Not at all, in fact I'm confident that's never ever happened. The  
 assertion that this decision is random is a little offensive.
 
 No offense meant, but given the blackbox approach, what else could  
 one infer from this?!

You will, of course, infer and interpret events as you
choose.  It's pretty obvious to me, a complete outsider,
that there was nothing 'random' about this at all.

 Sorry, but being strung along for the past 2 months on one set of  
 assumptions only to be presented with a fait accomplit, I'm not in  
 the mood to give the benefit of the doubt. A careful decision would  
 be one based on all of the facts and arrived at by consultation with  
 all of the parties involved.

Again, you will draw your own conclusions.  Of course,
your remark assumes that 'all the facts' are generally
and publicly available, and 'all the parties involved'
are equally well-advertised.

*My* inference and interpretation is that there is
absolutely no/zero/nada institutional malice involved.
- --
#kenP-)}

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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Oct 4 23:57:15 2006

2006-10-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Sep 27 23:54:08 2006

2006-09-27 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Sep 20 23:53:08 2006

2006-09-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Sep 13 23:52:50 2006

2006-09-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Sep 6 23:54:31 2006

2006-09-06 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Aug 30 23:52:39 2006

2006-08-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Aug 23 23:54:33 2006

2006-08-23 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Aug 16 23:53:33 2006

2006-08-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Aug 9 23:52:54 2006

2006-08-09 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Aug 2 23:54:50 2006

2006-08-02 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jul 26 23:52:23 2006

2006-07-26 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jul 5 23:52:23 2006

2006-07-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 28 23:51:53 2006

2006-06-28 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 21 23:53:03 2006

2006-06-21 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 14 23:50:37 2006

2006-06-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 7 23:52:38 2006

2006-06-07 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed May 24 23:56:29 2006

2006-05-24 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: [VOTE] Incubator PMC to approve 3.0-M1 release of ServiceMix

2006-04-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Guillame,

I see eighty six (86) jar files in the non-source kit.
Assuming that the project.properties file describes
their origins, I see a number of them with non-AL
licences (not necessarily an issue), and I don't see
that attribution is given for *any* of them.  Much
less any notice concerning their IP and licensing
terms.  There is no NOTICE file.  Some of these
jars are apparently licensed under CPL or CDDL,
which most definitely cannot be bundled without
clear notice.

- -1, at least until a proper and complete NOTICE file
is included.
- --
#kenP-)}

Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Apr 19 23:56:14 2006

2006-04-19 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Apr 5 23:55:28 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenJPA as an Incubator Podling

2006-04-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Okey, it's been a few days, and I think this was overwhelmingly
approved by a unanimous vote.  Can we take it this is approved
and let them move on to the next step?
- --
#kenP-)}

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Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 29 23:49:12 2006

2006-04-01 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 22 23:55:06 2006

2006-03-22 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
 Oh! I thought that the sysadmin loads preserved history...

I believe they do -- they just don't add themselves
to the history.  But if you know the dates
of the imports, you can still discriminate -- but
those dates aren't stored in svn, so they'd have to
be supplied manually by the examiner.
- --
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Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

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Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
 
 I have another question: If that guy finds some time for working on
 the project again and asks for Karma: Do you indeed believe the
 project wouldn't be ready to vote him in as a committer?

But turn it around as well.  Consider someone who was a
committer but went inactive before the package came to
Apache.  Now it's at the ASF, and he becomes active
again, but doing so in a problematic way -- say, ignoring
vetos or raising them excessively.  (Pathological case.)
Do you believe the project would be ready to revoke his
commit access until he learned to behave and work with
the community?

Cases in the past in which commit access was revoked have
turned out to be universally very, very unpleasant.  It's
like laying someone off.  And as a rule, people on both
sides hate a layoff, and will put up with enormous crap
to avoid it and the bad feeling it engenders all round.
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Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

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James Strachan wrote:

 Note that we are apparently not allowed to use the incubating ActiveMQ
 inside Geronimo until it leaves incubation

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/200602.mbox/browser

Due to the way mod_mbox currently works, that's essentially
a useless link.  :-(  You were looking at a particular message
when you did that, weren't you?  Go the message list again,
and do an 'open link in new tab' on the message you want us to
read. You'll get an XML page.  Remove '/ajax' from the URL and
you'll get a readable message.  Post *that* URL and we'll all be
able to see what you were reading. :-)
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Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

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[restoring the CC list since this definitely applies to the
people on those lists]

Davanum Srinivas wrote:
 I don't think there is such a restriction. Where did you come across
 that? in other words, who said that?
 
 we are apparently not allowed to use the incubating ActiveMQ

I *think* James might have been referring to this:

http://tinyurl.com/p92so

Is that the one, James?
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Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

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Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
 
 Do these really have to be Apache credits accumulated?

How do the people at Apache get to see it otherwise?

I've pointed out what I think may be a problem.  Having
done so, I'm content to have the legacy commit inheritance
you describe.  The first time I see it abused, though,
I'm going to bring the hammer down.

But remember, I was one of the people who thought Y2K
would be a problem.  I'm *good* at envisioning bad-case
scenarios. :-)  Sort of a sideways Cassandra: predict
terrible things, nobody believes, and they don't happen
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Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator

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Davanum Srinivas wrote:
 How about ActiveCluster  ActiveIO? :) They are architectural
 component of AMQ as well?

Are you looking for obstacles?
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Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator

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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 
 Personally, I believe that ActiveMQ ought to be a TLP.

Just to be clear, though, that's just a personal opinion
at this time, and in no way a 'dis is how t'ings is gonna
be' statement.  Right? :-)

 What makes a project with multiple codebases an umbrella is a gray
 area.

I've posted *my* first-pass definition of the term: a TLP that
has no deliverable packages of its own, only from its subprojects.
There's no 'Apache Jakarta' package, so it's an umbrella.
There *is* an 'Apache HTTP Server' package, so that isn't.
Subject to exceptions, clarifications, and further refinements,
of course, but that's my working definition.
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Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator

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James Strachan wrote:
 
 What if folks involved in the project  on the Geronimo project don't  
 want it to be a TLP - at least not for a while yet? e.g. can't we  
 just use the Geronimo PMC until the time folks want/decide to start  
 to go TLP? Or is going TLP now mandatory?

No, it's not mandatory.  And (AFAIK) no-one's going to force it
TLP against the consensual wishes of its participants and sponsor
unless there's a bloody good reason.
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Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator

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Dain Sundstrom wrote:
 
 Just to make sure this was allowed, before pitching it to the 
 communities, I asked a few of the Board members at Euro OS con and 
 they said it was possible.  I didn't want to get into a situation 
 where we do all of the work to uproot and move exiting communities 
 and then end up with just a bunch of separate TLPs because of some 
 unknown apache rules.  Now it seem like that is exactly what will 
 happen.

Why do you say that?  Noel has stated his current *personal* opinion,
and his *personal* opinion of board policy as

 Keep in mind that the ASF Board has established a pretty conscious
 decision for projects to go TLP, and to disband umbrella projects.

IMHO, a podling that was envisioned as joining an existing TLP
will end up doing so unless there are really good reasons for it
to go TLP instead.  The only time (again IMHO) that the collective
desires of the specific communities involved (in this case,
AMQ and Geronimo) would be overruled is if the determination
is made that such a merger would not make sense or would not
be in the best interests of the ASF.As an hypothetical
example, I very much doubt that a podling for a pattern
recognition filtering package would be allowed to join the HTTP
Server project, despite being originally intended for filtering
server logs.  A traffic-filtering module written to the httpd
API would be unlikely to go anywhere else.  An IRC server based
on the httpd framework might go either way.

It's not just rhe podling's and sponsor's communities that need
to be considered, although they're by far the biggest part.  It's
also the overall Apache community that needs to be factored in.
If going subproject is considered to be likely to be harmful to
the ASF, it won't happen.  Otherwise it probably will.

All IMHO.
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Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator

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James Strachan wrote:
 
 What if folks involved in the project  on the Geronimo project don't  
 want it to be a TLP - at least not for a while yet? e.g. can't we  
 just use the Geronimo PMC until the time folks want/decide to start  
 to go TLP? Or is going TLP now mandatory?

Unless there is a really good reason for AMQ *not* to graduate
into Geronimo, that's what will happen.  At which point it
will be part of Geronimo and the Geronimo PMC applies.  While
it's still in the incubator, though.. no, AMQ *can't* use the
Geronimo PMC for oversight.  AMQ's PPMC can have zero to N of
the Geronimo PMC members on it, but it would also have some
from the incubator (at least the mentors -- currently just you)
and some committers from the podling (who would *not* be on the
Geronimo PMC).  Sponsoring TLPs can provide advice and
guidance to podlings, but not direction -- they're self-directing.
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Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 
 Considering that both ActiveMQ and ServiceMix really ought to be
 targeting TLP status, learning to do this is important.

That's a bit much, Noel.  Where they end up is primarily
their own concern -- and not determined until graduation
anyway.

You started the message wearing your official hat.  If you
have a personal opinion about the matter :-) please
take the official hat off before expressing it?
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Re: Incubator PMC membership

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Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
 
 So, ASF corporate members can become members.  That fits in with my 
 understanding as well since, IIUC, ASF corporate members can join any
  PMC that they wish.

Correct.  Although the 'ASF corporate member' is generally
expressed as just 'ASF member.'

 It's interesting that non-ASF corporate members can be brought into 
 the Incubator PMC.  The outcome of this is that they virtually have 
 the same rights as an ASF corporate member with regards to incubating
  projects.

Correct.

 They can add themselves as mentors

That I'm not sure about.

 and, as a result, automatically become members of that project's PMC.

Members of the podling's PPMC, yes.  Members of any TLP's
PMC, no.
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Re: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator

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Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

 I don't see any rush here.

I think your initial 'what do we need to work on in order
to eventually graduate?' message got interpreted by some
- -- probably myself included -- as a 'what are the last
items to check off so we can graduate?' message.  And
from there emotions flared.  Sorry to say, I think Dain's
comment:

 I understand this concern and agree with the solution, but we should
 remember that AMQ entered the incubator before this was a rule, so I
 for one didn't think it appled to them, since they are so close to
 graduation.

unluckily came at the perfect time to reinforce the wrong message.

 Is it not a natural question to ask what else is left to do?

It absolutely is.

 Is there a compelling reason to keep this in the incubator if there
 is no real need other than historical precedence of previous
 podlings' matriculation?

No.  But that's the wrong question.  'Is there a real need to keep
this in the incubator, and, if so, what is it?'
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Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

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Henri Yandell wrote:
 
 Interesting reply - I'd been assuming that when an incubatee graduates
 into an existing project, it's PPMC automatically get added to the
 PMC. So I was a bit confused as to why Noel was even asking the
 question.

Case-by-case basis.  Personally I think it's a good idea,
but there are lots of opinions.  When Derby graduated,
some of the PPMC was invited to the DB PMC, and more over
time.

And it's not just the PPMC/PMC issue; there's commit access,
too.  And I think that's thornier.

If a podling graduates and joins an existing TLP, is it
equitable for the people listed as committers on its
proposal, with no accumulated Apache merit, to automatically
keep commit access?  While people who get involved directly
with the parent TLP have to earn merit over months?

That's the sort of scenario I was envisioning when I
referred to 'fast-tracking' commit access.

The answer is clearly, 'Maybe, maybe not,' and possibly relates
to the amount of merit accumulated while in the podling.
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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 15 23:56:43 2006

2006-03-15 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

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Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
 
 Now, I have no problem with recommending or encouraging multiple
 mentors - but if we have a member who says that project Foo is a great
 idea and no one else is inclined to mentor it, I don't think it should
 be the reason to decline the podling.

Considering the number of proposals coming at the incubator
these days, and the concerns raised about that fact, perhaps
needing multiple ASF people with enthusiasm about each is
precisely a reasonable governor.
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Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

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David Jencks wrote:
 
 I think I'm seeing too much incipient dogmatism here.  A little while  
 ago I remember reading about how it was possible for code to zip  
 through the incubator on its way to become part of an existing  
 project, resting only long enough for the legal/provenance questions  
 to be resolved.  I think this is still a good path to keep open, and  
 don't see the use of a PPMC for it.

Except ActiveMQ isn't just code, it's code+people.  If all
the people are already associated with the ASF when the
podling enters incubation..  well, then why isn't it being
handled as a grant of code?  The need for a podling implies
the presence of people new to the ASF.

 For instance, my understanding  
 is that ActiveMQ is coming to be part of geronimo.

Most likely, yes -- but it's not a certainty.  (Just close to
it.)  The eventual disposition is made at graduation.
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Jackrabbit to TLP status (pending board approval)

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Roy T. Fielding wrote:
 The Apache Jackrabbit committers have voted to request graduation
 from the Incubator as a TLP.
 
  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jackrabbit- 
 dev/200603.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The following votes have been recorded:
 
 Committers
+1  Roy T. Fielding
+1  Stefan Guggisberg
+1  Serge Huber
+1  Stefano Mazzocchi  (requested emeritus status)
+1  Felix Meschberger
+1  Brian Moseley
+1  David Nuescheler
Dominique Pfister
+1  Peeter Piegaze
+1  Edgar Poce
Gianugo Rabellino  (requested emeritus status)
Tim Reilly (requested emeritus status)
+1  Marcel Reutegger
Paul Russell
+1  Andrew Savory  (requested emeritus status)
+1  Angela Schreiber
+1  Tobias Strasser
Sylvain Wallez
+1  Jukka Zitting
 
 Non-binding
+1  Chandresh Turakhia
+1  Helio
+1  Michael Singer
 
 Under the Incubator process, Jackrabbit must have a destination prior
 to exiting incubation, which means the ASF Board must decide whether or
 not create a TLP for Apache Jackrabbit prior to the Incubator vote being
 official.  However, I suspect that the board would want some indication
 that we are ready to graduate first.
 
 So, I am asking for a vote of the Incubator on graduation of Jackrabbit
 that is conditional on the board's approval of a TLP for that purpose.
 This way we don't have to vote again after the board meeting on  
 Wednesday.
 
 Please send in your +1/0/-1 to approve/abstain/disapprove.

+1.  I am satisfied, in particular with the diversity.
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Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 
  -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project
  -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the initial
 PPMC as consisting of the Mentors.

I'd like to add that I think a PPMC is a requirement,
not a 'nice-to-have.'  We have some podlings either
with no PPMCs or with PPMCs instantiated quite late.
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Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

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More detailed response.

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 
  -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project

At least 2, anyway.  Nice-to-have: at least one that
doesn't have a vested interest in the package.

  -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the initial
 PPMC as consisting of the Mentors.

+1, with a requirement that they work with the contributors
to see how the PPMC should be comprised.  Let's say
*at least* the mentors.

  -- Once established, the PPMC shall
 -- work to make sure that the other resources
are put into place.

- -0.  Mentor's job, not a PPMC one.

 -- vote on other PPMC members (only those on
the Incubator PMC have binding votes)

+0.  That means 'only the mentors' until such time as
other IPMC people join the PPMC.

 -- vote on Committers (see above)

+1

 -- ensure that the quarterly report is provided
to the Incubator PMC

+1
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Re: Incubation Process and PPMCs

2006-03-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
 
 -- We should require 3+ Mentors for each project
 
 -1.  +1 to encourage 3+ to mentor, but it's not worth having folks
 step up to mentor a project simply because 'they need three' -
 quoting Justin's thoughts - with which I wholeheartedly agree.  We
 don't need body counts, we need dedicated mentors.

And we need enough for some objectivity, too.  One mentor is
not enough, IMHO -- insufficient oversight.

 -- Upon acceptance, we should establish the initial PPMC as
 consisting of the Mentors.
 
 --1 - worst idea of the thread.  You can't teach new project members
 to become project managers if you exclude them from the oversight and
 management of their own project.  You graduate them to TLP status and
 they look around without a -clue- how to solve problems.

Um, I don't think Noel meant that the PPMC *remains*
consisting of just the mentors, but that they're the
bootstrap code for it.

 -- Upon project acceptance, we should immediately create the
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  Or -private if
 there is a consensus to switch to that nomenclature.
 
 That's what we do today, AUIU.

Well, there are podlings with no PPMC, much less a PPMC mailing list.
(Or were; that may have been corrected by now.)

 -- vote on other PPMC members (only those on the Incubator PMC have
 binding votes)
 
 NO.  The entire Incubator PMC have binding votes, and ratify the
 decisions made by the podling ppmc.

Bleah.  I think you've misinterpreted Noel again.  Only those
*on the PPMC* who are also on the IPMC have binding votes.
So more IPMC members join the PPMC, more binding votes.

Ever hear of delegation?  The IPMC can obviously (well,
obvious to me) override PPMC decisions, but should *not* be
involved in them day-to-day.
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Re: Thoughts on Umbrellas, Federations, and Communication

2006-03-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
 
 Well, back in Jakarta's heyday, the general list was the meeting place 
 for all the subprojects.  It was a lot of fun.
 
 I'm not sure we could do that on an apache-wide scale though.  Part of 
 the fun was because we knew each other, and that there was a topic 
 domain that was narrow, but broad enough to span Jakarta.

What's wrong with [EMAIL PROTECTED]  That's open to all
committers and one of it's intended goals was to provide
exactly what you describe..
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Open JPA

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Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
 
 I've seen this comment a couple of times in the last week or so, but I
 don't really understand what it's trying to say.
 
 What makes an Apache project umbrella-ish?

One definition: a top-level project that has no deliverables
of its own.  All the packages and what-not come from
'subprojects.'

Considering that each TLP has a PMC, and the PMC is supposed
to oversee the TLP, one possible outcome is a non-representative
PMC.  Another is a PMC comprised of representative individuals
from the subprojects, who have little or no other common peership
than they're all under the same TLP.

PMCs are supposed to be composed of peers who are immersed in
the project's work -- hard to do when the TLP doesn't have
a deliverable.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Open JPA

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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
 
 However, I absolutely don't believe that at graduation we need to 
 closely examine the assets of the project to make some judgment about 
 individuals as committers.

O, I don't know.  Since commit access in the podling frequently
results in commit access in the TLP, I think it might be reasonable
at graduation to take a look at the records of the podling's
committers.  Commit access in a TLP is earned -- period.  Someone
who's on a podling's commit list but committed little or nothing
shouldn't graduate to TLP committership solely on the strength
of having been on the podling list.

Which is a really long-winded way of saying: At graduation,
maybe it's worthwhile to see whether the podling committers
actually earned any Apache merit.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Open JPA

2006-03-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
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Thomas Dudziak wrote:
 Mhmm, I have one major problem with this (as much as with Cayenne),
 and this is that IMO we (will) have too much ORM engines in Apache
 (with JPA and Cayenne it will be 6 or 7 ?) with little to no
 cooperation (esp. on the code level) between the ones already here. So
 in short, there is no focus and much duplication. Not to mention that
 OJB is planning to add EJB3 persistence (as it happens, done by me - I
 was going to start in May).

Well, Apache isn't about building things to fill industry
niches -- it's about enabling developers to work on what
they want and helping networks grow.  So I don't think that
already having N similar packages should be a bar to adding
an Nth+1 effort.

Which may seem at first to be at odds with my position in
the not-too-distant ServiceMix brouhaha -- but it really
isn't.  I wasn't at all opposed to bringing in [another]
BPE project, only to where it was originally slotted to land.
Nor did I opine that it should be forcibly merged into one
of the existing efforts; rather, that it should be an
independent peer -- a competitor, if you like.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Open JPA

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Craig L Russell wrote:
 
 I think we might have a better chance at unifying these disparate  
 code bases if they are all in one place.

Whose goal is that?
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[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Mar 8 23:56:39 2006

2006-03-08 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS:  -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]

Web site:  http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

[note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages
 are for collaborative development, including stuff destined for the
 Web site.]

Pending Issues
==

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes to be accepted
  into the incubator.  It should be a very low bar to leap, possibly
  not much more than 'no problematic code' and the existence of a
  healthy community (we don't want to become a dumping ground).

o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
  to graduate from the incubator.  The basic requirements obviously
  include: has a home, either as part of another ASF project or as
  a new top-level project of its own; needs to be a credit to the
  ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...

See also:

  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR

Resolved Issues
===

o The policy documentation does not need ratification of changes
  if there seems consensus. Accordingly, the draft status of these
  documents can be removed and we will use the lazy commit first,
  discuss later mode common across the ASF for documentation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=517190)

o All projects under incubation must maintain a status Web page that
  contains information the PMC needs about the project.
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html)

o Projects under incubation should display appropriate disclaimers
  so that it is clear that they are, indeed, under incubation
  (http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=504543)

o Clearly and authoritatively document how to edit, generate,
  and update the Web site (three separate functions)
  (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html).

The Incubation Process
==

TODO: this does not belong in the STATUS file and probably was integrated into
other documentation a while ago. That should be double-checked and then this
section should be removed.

This tries to list all the actions items that must be complete for a project
before it can graduate from the incubator. It is probably incomplete.

Identify the project to be incubated:

  -- Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist
 and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not
 already trademarked for an existing software product.

  -- If request from an existing Apache project to adopt an external
 package, then ask the Apache project for the cvs module and mail
 address names.

  -- If request from outside Apache to enter an existing Apache project,
 then post a message to that project for them to decide on acceptance.

  -- If request from anywhere to become a stand-alone PMC, then assess
 the fit with the ASF, and create the lists and modules under the
 incubator address/module names if accepted.

Interim responsibility:

  -- Who has been identified as the mentor for the incubation?

  -- Are they tracking progress on the project status Web page?

Copyright:

  -- Have the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received?
 It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the
 core code, and any new code produced by the project.

  -- Have the files been updated to reflect the new ASF copyright?

Verify distribution rights:

  -- For all code included with the distribution that is not under the
 Apache license, do we have the right to combine with Apache-licensed
 code and redistribute?

  -- Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more
 of the following approved licenses:  Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X,
 MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms?

Establish a list of active committers:

  -- Are all active committers listed in the project status file?

  -- Do they have accounts on cvs.apache.org?

  -- Have they submitted a contributors agreement?

Infrastructure:

  -- CVS modules created and committers added to avail file?

  -- Mailing lists set up and archived?

  -- Problem tracking system (Bugzilla)?

  -- Has the project migrated to our infrastructure?

Collaborative Development:

  -- Have all of the active long-term volunteers been identified
 and acknowledged as committers on the project?

  -- Are there three or more independent committers?

 [The legal definition of independent is long and boring, but basically
  it means that there is no binding relationship between the individuals,
  such as a 

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