Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that the project will find the needed resources at Apache. Bye Volker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Remediation ...
Hi, 2011/6/10 Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Nick Kew n...@apache.org wrote: On 9 Jun 2011, at 20:10, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I agree that the ethical thing to do is to inform partners of such matters, although I still don't know how to guarantee it. And generally speaking, you might want to treat the specifics of such matters in similarly sensitive manner as to how you would carefully handle any potential security related matters that might exist. Surely now this has been flagged, we can and should proactively address it in incubation. I'd propose to create a Patent Issues bug report. We can then call on all participants with knowledge of patent issues to enter them as dependencies of the meta-bug, so that Michael and other interested parties have a focus for related activity at apache.org. I would also suggest that it should be a blocker for graduation that every known patent issue be resolved. That is to say, either a full fix, or failing that a discussion and executive summary sufficient to alert users. Before proceeding, I would like to seek advice from our counsel. I also want to proceed based on specific patent infringement concerns and not on abstract hypotheticals. However, I don't want to spend valuable time on this until we decide whether or not to accept this project for incubation. Some fundamental comments about the license have been written down by the FSF: http://www.fsf.org/news/openoffice-apache-libreoffice Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Good morning, as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against the netiquette) There are two associations (german: eingetragener Verein abbrev. e.V.) - Team OpenOffice.org e.V., based in Hamburg. The members are Sun/Oracle employees and it is handling the marketing budget for the international Openoffice.org marketing. (IBM has already been mentioned as a donator). They fund travel, T-Shirts, Posters, booth fees and so on. (Donations from the mentioned page go to them) - Freies Office Deutchland e.V. (abbrev. FrODeV), whose name was OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. up to spring of this year, based in Wiesbaden. Members are individuals and companies merely from Germany. The association has promoted all around OpenOffice.org in Germany since years by funding as aboven and by organizing own events as a congress for Business and Administration beside community events for QA and general project work. It is also promoting LibreOffice now, therefore the name has been changed. Donators can tell if the donation should be spent for a specific project. Until the TDF is legally founded it is the legal basis for TDF, being contractor for webhosting, lawsuits etc. Volker 2011/6/8 Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Re-Introduction
Hi Robert, 2011/6/7 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow, the OpenOffice.org Community Council will hold a meeting to discuss What Now? It's not going to be our last meeting. I don't know what will happen to OOo as such. But I am confident that we've so far seen enough energy and interest to ensure that there will continue to be code and a project making it. Apache is community centered with an open culture. Please encourage as many people as possible to come together to contribute their ideas into the mix. You shoul not expect too much, as all non-Oracle-employed council-members have left the council last year and the seats had not been re-elected... Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Re-Introduction
Hi Ian, 2011/6/7 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 16:08, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/7 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow, the OpenOffice.org Community Council will hold a meeting to discuss What Now? It's not going to be our last meeting. I don't know what will happen to OOo as such. But I am confident that we've so far seen enough energy and interest to ensure that there will continue to be code and a project making it. Apache is community centered with an open culture. Please encourage as many people as possible to come together to contribute their ideas into the mix. You shoul not expect too much, as all non-Oracle-employed council-members have left the council last year and the seats had not been re-elected... The Council wasn't the sum total of everyone, already a lot of non-Oracle people are on the commit list and people who were never on a Council no reason not to include TDF members too. Let's be inclusive and positive, this is new opportunities and new horizons :-) Oh, you shouldn't misinterpret me. Robert asked for this in connection with the mention of the OOo community council, which does not have community in it, nor can it fully represent it. That was my point. No negatives about the Apache thing here. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Re-Introduction
2011/6/7 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 16:27, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ian, 2011/6/7 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 16:08, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/7 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow, the OpenOffice.org Community Council will hold a meeting to discuss What Now? It's not going to be our last meeting. I don't know what will happen to OOo as such. But I am confident that we've so far seen enough energy and interest to ensure that there will continue to be code and a project making it. Apache is community centered with an open culture. Please encourage as many people as possible to come together to contribute their ideas into the mix. You shoul not expect too much, as all non-Oracle-employed council-members have left the council last year and the seats had not been re-elected... The Council wasn't the sum total of everyone, already a lot of non-Oracle people are on the commit list and people who were never on a Council no reason not to include TDF members too. Let's be inclusive and positive, this is new opportunities and new horizons :-) Oh, you shouldn't misinterpret me. Robert asked for this in connection with the mention of the OOo community council, which does not have community in it, nor can it fully represent it. That was my point. No negatives about the Apache thing here. Maybe you were misinterpreting Robert then :-) All he said was encourage as many people as possible. Certainly he didn't say *only* people at the meeting. They will have contacts. Touché ? ;-) That's it with the nonverbal communication, you can not never get the right meaning without hearing it. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: A little OOo history
Hi, 2011/6/7 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: 3) LOTS of people download OOo Like maybe 10% of the human population of the planet. And its a big file. Initially we engaged Akamai, but it quickly became too expensive. Serving up downloads of OOo was pretty intense. I know Apache has all that web server download traffic and all...but I'm telling you Sun.com quailed at the throughput, and we shouldn't assume our mileage will vary. There will be extraordinary infrastructure costs, because it is end-user software (and there are a LOT of users worldwide). Sun mitigated this problem with mirrors, but of course that screwed download stats. do you have any numbers? I am really curious - people are always saying that but I cannot get out numbers. I believe all you said, I just would like to know how much it is actually Have a look at http://marketing.openoffice.org/marketing_bouncer.html Maybe a bit outdated and actually there is no release date in the displayed time. The old load balancer (bouncer) usually failed totally when a new version was announced, therefore OOo switched to Suse's Mirrorbrain. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?
Hi Jim, all, 2011/6/4 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com: On Jun 4, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Greg Stein wrote: Personally, I think Oracle's choice had more to do with IBM's recommendation, than taxes. I've been told that Oracle and TDF *were* in discussions but that the demands by TDF were sufficiently unpalatable to Oracle as to prevent any sort of agreement... IBM may have strongly suggested the ASF as a backup, but we were the runner-up in a sense. Taxes were not an issue... I do not see where the demands were unpalatable: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/06/publishing-our-recommendation-to-oracle/ TDF just refused to pay for anything which is under contract of Oracle. Bye Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [OO.o] updated mailing lists in proposal
Hi, 2011/6/6 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:16 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/5/2011 7:13 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: There are 146 projects listed on OpenOffice.org - all with mailing lists. Last time I read the proposal, it wasn't clear how many of these are active and being brought across. It does suggest though that a single dev list is not sufficient. Can you break these down into the number of projects generating 1 message per day? According to Markmail (http://openoffice.markmail.org/) the following 37 openoffice.org mailing lists received more than 365 messages in 2010: These are generated lists: 1) org.openoffice.allbugs 61,312 5) org.openoffice.allcvs 3,136 20) org.openoffice.cws-announce 950 32) org.openoffice.dba.needsconfirm 446 Please take also in account that most of the community went away at least in october 2010 and most lists are dead since then. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
