Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, [ +1 ] (non binding) Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Thanks ! Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re : Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?
Hello, My name is Eric Bachard. In the real life, I'm Professor of Applied Physics at UTBM (see [1]). In my spare time, I'm contributing to free software, as core developer. Contributing to OpenOffice.org since 2004, my skills are C ++ / C, objective C, shell and Perl. I know well OpenOffice.org source tree, build system, code too, and can work for all major ports (Windows, Mac OS X , Linux), including on some precise parts like the framework, the abstraction layer, Impress too. Used to mentor students with EducOOo (more than 15), and with Google Summer of Code (mentored 4 students, in 2006, 2007 and 2010 for it), I am willing to contribute to the code and train students to OOo. My vision is to see the OpenOffice.org accepted, Education Project become sort of a Laboratory dedicated to OpenOffice.org, and see a day there is a real bridge between OpenOffice.org and the Educational world. Mostly : - sharing the knowledge, honestly ; - working with students, teachers and schools : hear them, and catch the Fun they can bring us ; - attracting new developers : critical for OOo ; - innovating : always ready to test a new idea in the code :-). Some of my roles and contributions : - Founding member of EducOOo [4] - OOo4Kids and OOoLight main developer [5] [6] - Education Project since 2007 (current Project Lead) [3] - Mac OS X native port of OpenOffice.org : was the Project Lead (2005 -2007) Last but not least, I'm not a native speaker, so please, be gentle, and apologies for my terrible english :) With best regards, Eric Bachard [1] UTBM : http://www.utbm.fr [2] OpenOffice.org Domain developers : http:// wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper [3] OpenOffice.org Education Project : http://education.openoffice.org [4] EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org [5] OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org [6] OOoLight : http://wiki.ooolight.org Le 7 juin 11 à 19:12, robert_w...@us.ibm.com a écrit : By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project further, On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects, commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO names. There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-) I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant
Hi, Le 7 juin 11 à 06:01, Ralph Goers a écrit : It is my expectation that if we make reasonable requests and that if those requests are within Oracle's power to fulfill those requests, that we will obtain subsequent software grants. Sam, for me this is the only area where I question whether I will vote for the proposal. From what I read in Christian Lohmaier's summary Oracle has supplied about 50% of the OOo source code. His summary ended with Apache OOo is far from being able to deliver something that is even close to OOo as it is now. As I've said before, I don't want to see the project start off with an extremely large amount of work to do just to get something working. There is a simple way to create a correct set of files : - download the OOODev mercurial bundle, - extract one milestone, - remove the metadatas and you should obtain a full tree - verify the tree is buildable This tree could be used to create a new repository, based on svn or whatever. What I propose is really not that difficult, and if you need volunteers, I can help. Note this method has some pros : - create the exact list of files is extremely easy, and lot of tools can be used in that purpose. - to verify what is missing is extremely easy too At the end, create a diff between the initial list provided by Oracle and the one we created, from a buildable tree. In later posts I see you got more files added to the list by Oracle and a list of more missing files from Simon. I would hope that the list of files to be delivered grows to the point where those far more familiar with the code than I am can verify it is at a reasonable starting point before we vote on this. At the beginning, why didn't Apache Foundation ask Oracle to provide a full and buildable tree, and then remove what could cause problem ? I must be stupid, but I do not understand the logical ... Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?
Hi, Le 6 juin 11 à 02:28, William A. Rowe Jr. a écrit : Because Oracle and TDF, in confidential negotiations, could not come to an agreement. Also that's one more reason why OpenOffice.org should be hosted by the Apache Foundation. For the memory, LibreOffice and TDF have been created without the community being informed. Only several people were aware. More precisely, as OpenOffice.org Project Lead, I was not even informed such thing was happening : we discovered everything defined, and the roles distributed. No discussion : follow us, or die. And I think that's all that need be said on the matter. Maybe, but starting now, I think everything _must_ be transparent. Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Hi Ross, Apologies, I just retrieved the mail one minute ago, sorting the n 750 mails I received from this list. Le 2 juin 11 à 12:13, Ross Gardler a écrit : On 02/06/2011 10:30, eric b wrote: Hi, For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal). The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools and Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it). Feel free to improve the idea :-) If this is something that the OOo proposal wants to take forward I would be happy to help facilitate this through our Community Development Project (this is the PMC that runs our mentoring program). Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-) Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main goal, after create a strong bridge with Educational world, was to attract new developers. I'm a bit lost with the Apache Fondation website. Do you have links I could read ? Thanks in advance, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Hi, Le 6 juin 11 à 19:00, Ian Lynch a écrit : Look guys, this is going round in circles. I'm not an ASF or TDF member but I spent quite a lot of time and effort on OOo and ODF in the past so I care what happens. The fact is the software grant is made. My understanding is that if the code goes into the incubator it does not even guarantee it will emerge as a marketable product. Why do you believe that ? Several people like me are simply waiting for checkout the sources. I really expect myself to begin asap, per see where we *really* are. Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal
Hi, Le 6 juin 11 à 20:21, Greg Stein a écrit : On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 14:18, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: I'll surrely can make it to the US if needed. OSCON is good, but would like to know if there will be enough OOo people there to ensure there would be an useful exchange. More than zero is better than we have so far :-) Alexandro isnot joking, and pointed a big issue : there will be nobody from OOo represented (I mean the one who put their names on the wiki) Words are missing me (sorry, I'm not a native speaker), but there is something wrong ... Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Hi Ross, Le 6 juin 11 à 23:52, Ross Gardler a écrit : Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-) Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main goal, after create a strong bridge with Educational world, was to attract new developers. I'm a bit lost with the Apache Fondation website. Do you have links I could read ? The community development PMC is at http://community.apache.org the mailing list is d...@community.apache.org I bookmarked them, thanks ! Anyway, I'll probably subscribe to the dev@ list, and present myself soon. Most of our activity is on GSoC, EducOOo applied, but for some reason we were not accepted by Google. To be honest, I suspect something wrong, or worse on Google side. = the draft is here : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/GSoC2011 but we do have the occasional person going through our programme independently. We'd like to step that up a gear, but haven't had a great deal of success. If we can, we'll share our know-how. Nevertheless, I must recognize it is difficult for us, too, but we are lucky with some students who did a great work. See our welcome students : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ WelcomeStudents Maybe your existing work will finally help us realise that. Would be great to share and improve :-) I'll try to make it short : everything is shared online on our wiki (most of the time). The most recent Google SoC I mentored was last year, were I mentored Michal Spiziak : See : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/User:MSpisiak + http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor/ Baseline_AlignmentEquations and: http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor In fact I mentored (partialy) a second student, Jonas Finnemans Jensen, with Fridrich Strba See : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ooo-build/SummerOfCode/ 2010/Jonas The previous Soc were in 2006 with Pierre de Filippis. It was my first participation, and we were at the beginning og the Aqua port of OpenOffice.org (I was the project Lead), so not much code has been written, but there as good excuses, discovering the beast. You can find some traces here : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ MacOSX:_Complete_User_Interface_respecting_Aqua_Human_Interface_Guidelin es , but I can find more information if you need it. In 2007, yet for the native Mac OS X port, I mentored Ismael Merzaq: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Log_Mac_Meeting_20th_April_2007 Was more productive. See http://lebasket.free.fr/blog/ But that's not all. We use to work with students, and their schools, and we try to explain how we hacked the code online (yet on the wiki). Important : the OpenOffice.org developers often helped us, and they had a big role in the story too. More information on our list of schools who participated is available here - http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/WelcomeStudents The features are proposed by teachers, and when everybody agrees, we implement what we can. Some examples : New Start Center : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ NewStartCenterBehavior Toolbars and levels : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ ToolbarsAndUserLevel New cursors : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/AddNewCursors Protected preferences : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ PasswordProtectedPreferences (the page has been seen more than 27,000 times ... ) + Online ClassRooms http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ClassRooms and so on Other features : the annotation mode, made by students from Ecole Centrale Nantes, and reverserd to OpenOffice.org As you can see, the list is very long, but we really can do a lot with schools, and the Education Project is really a good compromise to introduce FOSS. Last but not least, I have seen some valuable developers join the list on the incubator page, and I'm confident they will probably contribute too :-) Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Hi, Le 7 juin 11 à 01:44, Ross Gardler a écrit : Eric, Thanks for the background. You're welcome :) It would be great if you can repost this to the dev@community.a.o list if the podling is accepted. Sure I'll do. But like you wrote : only if the podling is accepted. It's off topic for this list, but very much on topic over there. I'm sorry for the off topic. I just wanted to provide some facts, and figures. Note, I've signed up as a mentor on the proposal. We need to convince Ian Lynch to get involved too (if he's not already), but I'll work on him later ;-) So far, Ian never helped us, but who knows :-) Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
OpenOffice.org dependencies at runtime. was: Re: OO/LO License + Why LO needs the AFL 2.0 to exist (quickly)
Hi, First over all, I'm not a native speaker, but I think I can answer. Apologies if I'm off topic, this thread is extremely difficult to follow. Le 5 juin 11 à 09:41, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : I was thinking about binary-only components such as a linker library or shared library that was under a non-Apache license but that needed to be included in deployments of OpenOffice.org. As builder / dev since years in OOo, we separated - build dependencies : the builder MUST install something to make the build possible. - install dependencies : the user must install something to be sure OpenOffice.org will launch and work correctly I suppose we are talking about the second one. If in this case, and if this can be helpfull for you, the policy for external code was handled by external project - http:// external.openoffice.org/ Martin Hollmichel (Sun / Oracle employee the last time I've heard of) is IMHO the one to be contated for further information. Back to install time now. More basicaly, we currently have : 1) Windows Windows build, is provided as a set, auto-installable : no need to link to anything else, the set is linked to system dll only. Nothing must be installed so far, excepted Java, but Java missing is not an issue. Please somebody correct me if Im wrong. 2) Mac OS X Since we removed as much as possible to any dependencies (I was one of the actor of this cleanup), the set is currently provided as disk image, containing everything. Java is the one shipped on the system, and if ever Java is not installed, OpenOffice.org will work anyway (some features missing only). 3) Linux It is very easy to provide a standalone product, without the need to use other system binaries, and I confirm this is possible. The facts are different : to avoid as much as possible to have the same libs/ binaries in the installed set (avoiding twice installation of the same dependencies), it is common to link wiht system libraries and binaries at buildtime, considering the user will have to install the dependency himself. This is the same for a lot of applications on Debian, e.g. and make the full installation lighter. Please not this is true for a majority of Linux's but there could be one excpetion I'm not aware. 4) FreeBSD and OpenBSD do the same (I wrote a ports makefile for OpenBSD, and things are similar) Please correct me if I'm wrong. 5) Solaris I don't know That would require a different version of the binary-only component for every platform environment the Apache code is expected to build for and deploy to. I don't think this is mandatory at all, but I can be wrong. Since OpenOffice.org code is mostly C++ and the trend is to remove the Java dependencies (at least over on LibreOffice), this seems more awkward than whatever the benefit might be. I already removed all Java dependencies in OOo4Kids and OOoLight in OpenOffice.org for all ports, and that's not a problem. I need to step back and look at this more carefully. My starting- out assumptions are that OpenOffice.org builds don't depend on binary-only components in deployed distributions. I think so too, but I agree a clear choice must be made very soon. In addition, I'm trusting that any dependencies on third-party source code or binary libraries are either non-toxic, can be worked- around/done-without for as long as we'd need to have an alternative in place. Whistling in the dark here ... Hope my mail will help you. Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: OpenOffice.org dependencies at runtime. was: Re: OO/LO License + Why LO needs the AFL 2.0 to exist (quickly)
Le 5 juin 11 à 10:09, eric b a écrit : Hi, First over all, I'm not a native speaker, but I think I can answer. Apologies if I'm off topic, this thread is extremely difficult to follow. Le 5 juin 11 à 09:41, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : I was thinking about binary-only components such as a linker library or shared library that was under a non-Apache license but that needed to be included in deployments of OpenOffice.org. As builder / dev since years in OOo, we separated - build dependencies : the builder MUST install something to make the build possible. - install dependencies : the user must install something to be sure OpenOffice.org will launch and work correctly I suppose we are talking about the second one. If in this case, and if this can be helpfull for you, the policy for external code was handled by external project - http:// external.openoffice.org/ Martin Hollmichel (Sun / Oracle employee the last time I've heard of) is IMHO the one to be contated for further information. Apologies, the most up to date information is here : http:// wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules (the previous link looks outdated) Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal
Hi James, Le 3 juin 11 à 05:07, James Kosin a écrit : On 2:59 PM, Luke Kowalski wrote: The following project is being sent in as an incubator candidate. regards luke Okay, First, I've been reading the talking points going back and forth on this for about 1-2 days now. And there are some valid concerns. (1) The project as a whole is LARGE. Some may even call it HUGE. Indeed, it is :-) Despite those complaints, I don't believe there is a size limit on the size of a project; however, it brings up LOTS of questions on Why? How? and Who is to blame? Basically, are the developers able to support the project entirely on their own? See below If so, showing some supporting evidence as to how. If this can help, I'm building OpenOffice.org (1.x, 2.x and 3.x), on all platforms (Windows, Mac and Linux). since 2004, and contributing to bugfixes and fix build breakers since 2005. As a game or stupid bet (choose the right word), and to have Fun with students, I forked OpenOffice.org (basicaly OOo3.2.1_m19) to create OOo4Kids, and OOoLight. See : https://adullact.net/projects/ooo4kids1 for further information. This is basicaly the same size as OpenOffice.org tree, but simplified. We forked OpenOffice.org to avoid a boring QA process, but are eager to contribute back when the students write interesting features. So yes, this is possible : since more than a year, we provide major ports, means Windows (including portable version), Mac OS X and Linux Intel and even ARM versions, in 17 locales. With that, I can say I know well the OpenOffice.org build process (all platforms excepted Solaris), and as I wrote, I'm ready to participate, help if I can, and to share my knowledge, and participate. But maybe I misunderstood your question ? Granted learning code is fun in my opinion but it won't lead to a good outcome in the long run without some very knowledgeable people supporting the project. I completely agree, and the most obvious way to create something sustainable is to start soon (urgent). And to document. Just as example, I'd suggest something like that (maybe a bit outdated) : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/EnvironmentSetup This is essential to propose the same asap for the incubator project. Having 2 or even 3 people supporting a project of this size is a sure sign of failure. I hope more will join :) Unless these people really are major contributors with evidence and know how to back them up. Another thing coming is that IRC is essential for helping newcomers. What about discuss those points directly ? (e.g. on #dev.openoffice.org , server : irc.freenode.net ?) IMHO, the role of Oracle developers is essential, and we should firstly invite them to join. The problem is, that we don't know how Oracle management announced the donation, and how things have been done internaly. (2) The licensing is also an issue, and a serious one at that. From my little own side, I just would like to say, for an individual contributor, is the story of the contributions. Any patch or code has a lifetime, and is not that important after all : what remains is you did that a day. But I know we are not that much in this situation, and I'll stop there :-) Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Hi, For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal). The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools and Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it). Feel free to improve the idea :-) Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines...
Hi, Le 2 juin 11 à 17:16, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : I do have a question though. To me it's unclear whether the Openoffice project has any real development ressources. I see so far one developer and Rob, who I know to be a distinguished engineer from IBM but who has never contributed code to OpenOffice, if I recall. I never heard of any line of code from yourself in OpenOffice.org either. Can you point us some links please ? I'm a bit surprised by this as TDF has now over 200 developers, That's obviously not true : I myself follow LibreOffice development lists since the beginning, reading most of the changes and patches, and I don't see 200 developers, means people able to write some new feature of fix serious bugs in any OpenOffice.org derivative product. Of course you can add contributions from Oracle devs either, but that's a lie too, since all OpenOffice.org cws's were added, without Oracle devs being informed they contributed :-) Maybe you counted 200 people -say hackers- who contributed in various ways, simple patches or little removing ? To be more objective, count around 30 people sending code and really able to implement something in LO. But considering serious changes, this is another story, and you shouldn't, for credibility reasons go in this direction. Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines...
Hi, Le 2 juin 11 à 17:57, Greg Stein a écrit : Whether one group has more committers than the other doesn't matter either. There are Apache projects with just a half-dozen people working on them. That is sufficient for the Foundation, so we can just ignore number comparisons. I fully agree, but discussions must be based on realistic information. Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: OpenOffice - Wiki - Required Resources - Subversion vs. Mercurial vs. Git
Le 2 juin 11 à 22:26, Christian Lippka a écrit : Hello, Hello Christian, The Open Office Proposal Wiki currently lists a subversion repository as a required resource. We already had subversion for some time as the repository for the main code and it didn't work well for a project this size. I do not like to start a religious ware so from my point of view both git or mercurial should be fine and preferred over subversion. Good catch. I can confirm the same using subversion for OOo4Kids repository (base on OOO320_m19) : it is scheduled to migrate to git soon (and create OOoLight repo at the same occasion). And to avoid religion war, I remember one very interesting discussion on d...@openoffice.org list. Could be usefull to read the thread as starting point ? (I need to retrieve the entre though ..) Regards, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Rép : OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal
Hi, First, apologies for the new thread, due to my late arrival on this list. As developer for OpenOffice.org since 2005, and having some knowledge in OOo source code, I'm interested to contribute to the new OpenOffice.org (as dev). Where are the essential links to start ? e.g. I created an account on the wiki, but I don't know whether I can add something yet :-) Thanks in advance, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
