Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
J Aaron Farr wrote: = OFBiz Proposal = So... this went out on the 25th... what's next? -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
This proposal outlines the creation of a new, top-level Open for Business (OFBiz) project within the Apache Software Foundation. Uh, no. Minor point in the scheme of things, but while it may be the intent for it to eventually become a TLP, the proposal is for the incubation of the project. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
+1 Personally I'm quite impressed that we've had 3 independent-of-each-other committers talking to us on the previous thread. Seems like a good indication of community from the very beginning. Hen On 1/24/06, J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
On Wednesday 25 January 2006 11:44, J Aaron Farr wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = +1 (non-binding). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
-1 (non-binding) - I think this proposal is too different from our other projects to be a good fit for the ASF. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 11:44, J Aaron Farr wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = +1 (non-binding) I look forward to working on this project as part of the ASF (or otherwise) Ross - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
+1 (non binding) Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
On 1/24/06, J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = +1. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
On 1/25/06, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1 (non-binding) - I think this proposal is too different from our other projects to be a good fit for the ASF. My belief is that the foundation goes in the direction that our members want. We've got three members who are willing to step up. So, I'm willing to see how it plays out. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
On Jan 24, 2006, at 8:44 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = +1 (non-binding) I'm obviously a little biased on this because of my involvement in OFBiz and not sure if my vote is even appropriate, but I wanted to make sure everyone knew that I am still very much behind this proposal from the OFBiz side. -David smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
On Jan 24, 2006, at 7:44 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal ... == Committers == * David E. Jones * Andy Zeneski * Si Chen * Al Byers * Jacopo Cappellato * Hans Bakker == Proposed Apache Sponsor == Incubator PMC == Champions == * David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] * J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where are the mentors? Are the champions also going to mentor the project? Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
Roy T. Fielding wrote: * David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] * J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where are the mentors? Are the champions also going to mentor the project? According to the docs I read, the incubator PMC is supposed to assign them. I'd planned to help out where possible in that role. -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
J Aaron Farr wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = This proposal outlines the creation of a new, top-level Open for Business (OFBiz) project within the Apache Software Foundation. +1 (non-binding) from me as well, just for the record. -- David N. Welton - http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Linux, Open Source Consulting - http://www.dedasys.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
J Aaron Farr wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = +1 Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
On 1/25/06, David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: * David N. Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] * J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where are the mentors? Are the champions also going to mentor the project? According to the docs I read, the incubator PMC is supposed to assign them. I'd planned to help out where possible in that role. Exactly. According to the *current* Incubator policies, a proposal only starts with champions. The sponsor, in this case the Incubator PMC, is supposed to assign a mentor upon acceptance of the proposal. Technically, the policies only refer to a single champion and single mentor. There's nothing to suggest there cannot be more than one champion, but the documentation does suggest that the mentor role is fulfilled by a single individual who has specific oversight responsibilities. In practice, the roles of champion and mentor have been reversed and confused. In particular there was a recent vote on changing some of these requirements and policies. In any case, both David and I have expressed a willingness to mentor and I believe Yoav may be as well, though I don't recall him specifically saying so. -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
Hi, First, +1 for the proposal vote. these requirements and policies. In any case, both David and I have expressed a willingness to mentor and I believe Yoav may be as well, though I don't recall him specifically saying so. I would prefer to remain a champion rather than a mentor at this time (using the current role definitions on the Incubator site), because I've taken on a lot of new things the past few weeks. However, I do intend to be actively involved, and if/when we change the rule to require 3 ASF Members as mentors, I am perfectly willing to be the 3rd. -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
After some good thought about what to do with the system I am currently writing, I have come to the conclusion that there is a big overlap between ofbiz and it is worth it to invest the time to start using ofbiz for my solution and also this way prevent too much code duplication. In short : I would definitely like to get involved and help out with the incubation effort. Mvgr, Martin Martin van den Bemt wrote: +1 (non binding) Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[VOTE] OFBiz Proposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal = OFBiz Proposal = This proposal outlines the creation of a new, top-level Open for Business (OFBiz) project within the Apache Software Foundation. == Rationale == The Open For Business Project is an open source enterprise automation software project. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open Source ERP, Open Source CRM, Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce, Open Source SCM, Open Source MRP, Open Source CMMS/EAM, and so on. It is one of the few apps of this type to be under a BSD-style license, and developed by a community, rather than one corporation. The maintainers of OFBiz are interested in joining the Apache Software Foundation for several reasons: * The legal umbrella. There are no outstanding legal issues with OFBiz, but the protection that Apache affords is valuable to the developers' peace of mind as their project grows. It is a benefit for both contributors and end-users to have a trusted entity involved with this aspect of the software. * Resolve current potential licensing issues with copyright license assignment and patent license grants that are addressed in the Apache 2.0 license, but not in the MIT license. We had considered making this change independently earlier this year. * Increase public awareness of OFBiz and of the application of Apache licensing to business aplication level software. Lately the news is full of companies that are using a dual-license (GPL and commercial) model for enterprise software and OFBiz working with Apache opens an opportunity to strengthen what we feel is a much higher value way of doing things for both contributors and users. * Help the project attract contributors and service providers to attract clients who would feel more comfortable with the licensing coming through a well known and established organization like Apache. == Criteria == === Community === OFBiz has striven to foster a diverse community that is open to everyone. It is released under a non-reciprocal license to encourage the maximum possible adoption by all potential users and developers. The OFBiz community encourages suggestions and contributions from any potential user, and more developers have joined as contributors since the project's inception in 2001. === Meritocracy === OFBiz was originally created by David E. Jones and Andy Zeneski in May 2001. The project now has committers and users from around the world. The newer committers of the project joined in subsequent years by initially submitting patches, then having commit privileges for some of the applications, and then privileges over a larger range of applications. The project members understand the importance of letting motivated individuals contribute to the project after they have proven themselves. == Scope of Subprojects == OFBiz is distributed as one large subversion tree, but contains two distinct parts: a framework, and a number of applications built with that framework. At some point in the future, it is conceivable that these become two subprojects, or more, were applications deemed suitable to be developed independently. Additionally, the OFBiz subversion repository contains a specialized directory with vertical applications specific to particular businesses. Where these are grown and contributed to, they could also potentially take on a life of their own, or split off into separate projects that do not ship with the core. == Features == OFBiz is both a set of flexible, extensible applications such as e-commerce, order management, catalog management, work effort and so on, designed by engineers with years of experience in the problem domain, as well as a framework that makes it possible to create new applications that exist with others. == Initial Source == OFBiz was developed by David E. Jones and Andy Zeneski. == Resources to be Created == User, Dev, and Announce mailing lists. Copy current subversion code, and create a commits mailing list. Copy JIRA issues into Apache system. Create Wiki? == Avoiding the Warning Signs == === Orphaned products: === The OFBiz code is currently used and maintained by the authors and others, who depend on it for their livelihood. Continued development of OFBiz continues on a daily basis, and there are on average 50 new commits to the OFBiz SVN source tree per week. In fact, there is a weekly development summary on this web site: http://ofbiz-new.blogspot.com . === Inexperience with Open Source: === The developers use a number of other open source projects within OFBiz, and are interested in how best to make open source work with their project, both from a community and business perspective. === Homogeneous Developers: === The developers are diverse, both geographically and in terms of their employers: * David E. Jones and Andy Zeneski are from the United States (Orem, UT and New York City) and are the founders of Undersun Consulting LLC (which is a separate and independent entity from
