Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[John D. Ament]

As I've understood the situation:

- Code was open sourced at apache to become the CMDA project
- Some commits happened against a repo, from what I can tell building a
basic skeleton of a webapp for collecting data
- Commits stopped in November 2015
- There has been very little on list discussions, no code changes coming in.
- I brought up the topic of retirement last summer, due to the lack of
progress (at that point, we were ~7 months in to stagnation).  Project
agreed to resume on list work, ASF based commits
- ~6 months later, brought up the topic again, it was clear no changes were
coming.

If you take a look at [1] you'll see that Chris has called out specifically
that development of CMDA happens, just not at Apache, which is the part
that shouldn't be the case.  Changes shouldn't be sync'd back to ASF.  They
should be developed first at ASF.  Its OK to create non-open source
derivatives of ASF products.

John

[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5b072eaab99dad083df271e81845c6e40dde22e8e5afcfd6114802e8@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:47 AM Edward Capriolo 
wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Ted Dunning 
> wrote:
>
> > Tsengdar,
> >
> > Can you give a rationale for your vote?
> >
> > Have you reviewed the history of the situation?
> >
> > Do you think that the current situation is acceptable?
> >
> > What do you think will change the current situation?
> >
> > Why didn't you vote while the vote was going on?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2017 6:07 AM, "Lee, Tsengdar J. (HQ-DK000)" <
> > tsengdar.j@nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > > -1
> > >
> > > On 2/2/17, 7:20 PM, "John D. Ament"  wrote:
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a
> > > vote to
> > > retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
> > > podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities
> happen
> > > outside the ASF.
> > >
> > > I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC
> > members
> > > voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact
> > that
> > > I've
> > > been monitoring them and am calling this vote.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > [1]:
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449
> > > d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> I am personally interested in this situation. Possibly the vote has
> happened at a bad time. Without getting into politics we are aware that US
> federal agents are involved in what some would refer to an an "information
> lockdown". This may have prevented or hindered those that wanted to speak.
> However the lack of contributions in the last year can not be contributed
> to the recent event.
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Edward Capriolo]

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Ted Dunning  wrote:

> Tsengdar,
>
> Can you give a rationale for your vote?
>
> Have you reviewed the history of the situation?
>
> Do you think that the current situation is acceptable?
>
> What do you think will change the current situation?
>
> Why didn't you vote while the vote was going on?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017 6:07 AM, "Lee, Tsengdar J. (HQ-DK000)" <
> tsengdar.j@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > -1
> >
> > On 2/2/17, 7:20 PM, "John D. Ament"  wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a
> > vote to
> > retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
> > podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
> > outside the ASF.
> >
> > I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC
> members
> > voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact
> that
> > I've
> > been monitoring them and am calling this vote.
> >
> > John
> >
> > [1]:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449
> > d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
> >
> >
> >
>

I am personally interested in this situation. Possibly the vote has
happened at a bad time. Without getting into politics we are aware that US
federal agents are involved in what some would refer to an an "information
lockdown". This may have prevented or hindered those that wanted to speak.
However the lack of contributions in the last year can not be contributed
to the recent event.

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Ted Dunning]

Tsengdar,

Can you give a rationale for your vote?

Do you think that the current situation is acceptable?

What do you think will change the current situation?

Have you reviewed the history of the situation?



On Feb 6, 2017 6:07 AM, "Lee, Tsengdar J. (HQ-DK000)" <
tsengdar.j@nasa.gov> wrote:

-1

On 2/2/17, 7:20 PM, "John D. Ament"  wrote:

All,

Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a
vote to
retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
outside the ASF.

I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that
I've
been monitoring them and am calling this vote.

John

[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6
713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Ted Dunning]

Tsengdar,

Can you give a rationale for your vote?

Have you reviewed the history of the situation?

Do you think that the current situation is acceptable?

What do you think will change the current situation?

Why didn't you vote while the vote was going on?





On Feb 6, 2017 6:07 AM, "Lee, Tsengdar J. (HQ-DK000)" <
tsengdar.j@nasa.gov> wrote:

> -1
>
> On 2/2/17, 7:20 PM, "John D. Ament"  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a
> vote to
> retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
> podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
> outside the ASF.
>
> I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
> voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that
> I've
> been monitoring them and am calling this vote.
>
> John
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449
> d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Lee, Tsengdar J. (HQ-DK000)]

-1

On 2/2/17, 7:20 PM, "John D. Ament"  wrote:

All,

Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a vote to
retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
outside the ASF.

I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that I've
been monitoring them and am calling this vote.

John

[1]:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E

[RESULT] (was Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling)

[John D. Ament]

Results:
The IPMC has accepted to retire the CMDA podling.  +1's from Ted, James,
Hadrian, myself, as well as on the podling's lists: Chirs Mattmann and
Michael Joyce.

I'll begin processing the paperwork, etc.

John

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:20 PM John D. Ament  wrote:

> All,
>
> Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a vote
> to retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
> podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
> outside the ASF.
>
> I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
> voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that I've
> been monitoring them and am calling this vote.
>
> John
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[John D. Ament]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:07 PM Ted Dunning  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:31 AM, toki  wrote:
>
> > Does retirement mean that source code is no longer available?
> >
>
>
> No.
>
> But any current versions of the code will need to be gotten from whoever
> maintains the project outside Apache. Since CMDA is ongoing (just not in an
> Apache way) the project maintainers will be the key contacts.
>

Specific to CMDA: their source code is hard to find.  They don't have
proper git mirrors.  As a result, you can only find it on git-wip-us.
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cmda.git

- John

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Ted Dunning]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:31 AM, toki  wrote:

> Does retirement mean that source code is no longer available?
>


No.

But any current versions of the code will need to be gotten from whoever
maintains the project outside Apache. Since CMDA is ongoing (just not in an
Apache way) the project maintainers will be the key contacts.

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[toki]

On 2 February 2017 4:20:43 pm PST, "John D. Amen wrote:

> I am calling a vote to retire them.

Does retirement mean that source code is no longer available?

One description that I read implied that it was deleted, whilst a set on 
instructions implied that it was retained.

>  It was confirmed that development activities happed outside the ASG.

That doesn't surprise me.

jonathon

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Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

+1

Hadrian

On 02/02/2017 07:20 PM, John D. Ament wrote:

All,

Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a vote to
retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
outside the ASF.

I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that I've
been monitoring them and am calling this vote.

John

[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E



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Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[James Carman]

+1

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:20 PM John D. Ament  wrote:

> All,
>
> Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a vote to
> retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
> podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
> outside the ASF.
>
> I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
> voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that I've
> been monitoring them and am calling this vote.
>
> John
>
> [1]:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[Ted Dunning]

+1



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:20 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> All,
>
> Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a vote to
> retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
> podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
> outside the ASF.
>
> I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
> voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that I've
> been monitoring them and am calling this vote.
>
> John
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6
> 713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>

[VOTE] Retire the Climate Model Data Analyzer Podling

[John D. Ament]

All,

Due to the lack of progress made by the CMDA podling I am calling a vote to
retire them.  A discussion and vote thread [1] have occurred on the
podling's lists.  It was confirmed that development activities happen
outside the ASF.

I'm considering this a 72 hour lazy consensus vote since 3 IPMC members
voted +1 on the podling's list.  My +1 is implied due to the fact that I've
been monitoring them and am calling this vote.

John

[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ac4de53d2b16afb91142449d7832f6713f54eb9a1fd2d9c6c3efaffb@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E