Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-28 Thread Dave Fisher 
I know of former podlings that have been TLPs for five years that still have 
assets that read https://project.incubator.apache.org 
 - I think requiring a DISCLAIMER on the 
main page of every podling website would be better in the long run. The 
DISCLAIMER could include links back to 
https://incubator.apache.org/project/podling 
 with clear indication that it is 
incubating and what the reported status is.

Whimsy’s project site check could check that the DISCLAIMER is removed while 
the podling one checks that the DISCLAIMER is present.

Best,
Dave

> On Feb 28, 2024, at 5:56 PM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 15:41, PJ Fanning  > wrote:
>> 
>> +1 binding
>> Formalises what most podlings are doing anyway.
> 
> Not so, according to the podling analysis:
> 
> https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/check/uri 
> 
> 
>> On Wed 28 Feb 2024, 16:13 Alex Porcelli,  wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 (non-binding)
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:01 AM Suyan  wrote:
 
 +1 non-binding
 
 This looks a little more concise.
 
 Sincerely,
 Suyan
 
 Craig Russell  于2024年2月28日周三 08:18写道：
> 
> It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their
>>> home page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and
>>> simply use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit
>>> iffy on the subject:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> 
>> After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
>>> initial code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache
>>> Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable
>>> mentions include:
>> 
>>  • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/
>>> URL
>> 
>>  • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at
>>> the Apache Software Foundation.
>> 
>> The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you
>>> publish them. You only need to make these statements upon the first
>>> reference to the podling in a document.
> 
> I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to
>>> include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be
>>> a huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon
>>> graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to
>>> change.
> 
> I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the
>>> podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the
>>> .incubator. in the url.
> 
> WDYT?
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-28 Thread sebb 
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 15:41, PJ Fanning  wrote:
>
> +1 binding
> Formalises what most podlings are doing anyway.

Not so, according to the podling analysis:

https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/check/uri

> On Wed 28 Feb 2024, 16:13 Alex Porcelli,  wrote:
>
> > +1 (non-binding)
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:01 AM Suyan  wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 non-binding
> > >
> > > This looks a little more concise.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Suyan
> > >
> > > Craig Russell  于2024年2月28日周三 08:18写道：
> > > >
> > > > It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their
> > home page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and
> > simply use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit
> > iffy on the subject:
> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> > > >
> > > > > After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
> > initial code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache
> > Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable
> > mentions include:
> > > > >
> > > > >   • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/
> > URL
> > > > >
> > > > >   • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at
> > the Apache Software Foundation.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you
> > publish them. You only need to make these statements upon the first
> > reference to the podling in a document.
> > > >
> > > > I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to
> > include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be
> > a huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon
> > graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to
> > change.
> > > >
> > > > I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the
> > podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the
> > .incubator. in the url.
> > > >
> > > > WDYT?
> > > >
> > > > Craig L Russell
> > > > c...@apache.org
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-28 Thread PJ Fanning 
+1 binding
Formalises what most podlings are doing anyway.

On Wed 28 Feb 2024, 16:13 Alex Porcelli,  wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:01 AM Suyan  wrote:
> >
> > +1 non-binding
> >
> > This looks a little more concise.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Suyan
> >
> > Craig Russell  于2024年2月28日周三 08:18写道：
> > >
> > > It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their
> home page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and
> simply use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit
> iffy on the subject:
> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> > >
> > > > After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
> initial code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache
> Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable
> mentions include:
> > > >
> > > >   • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/
> URL
> > > >
> > > >   • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at
> the Apache Software Foundation.
> > > >
> > > > The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you
> publish them. You only need to make these statements upon the first
> reference to the podling in a document.
> > >
> > > I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to
> include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be
> a huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon
> graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to
> change.
> > >
> > > I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the
> podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the
> .incubator. in the url.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > Craig L Russell
> > > c...@apache.org
> > >
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-28 Thread Alex Porcelli 
+1 (non-binding)

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:01 AM Suyan  wrote:
>
> +1 non-binding
>
> This looks a little more concise.
>
> Sincerely,
> Suyan
>
> Craig Russell  于2024年2月28日周三 08:18写道：
> >
> > It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their home 
> > page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and simply 
> > use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit iffy on the 
> > subject:
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> >
> > > After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the initial 
> > > code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache 
> > > Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable 
> > > mentions include:
> > >
> > >   • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/ URL
> > >
> > >   • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at the 
> > > Apache Software Foundation.
> > >
> > > The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you publish 
> > > them. You only need to make these statements upon the first reference to 
> > > the podling in a document.
> >
> > I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to 
> > include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be a 
> > huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon 
> > graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to 
> > change.
> >
> > I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the 
> > podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the .incubator. 
> > in the url.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > c...@apache.org
> >
> >
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-28 Thread Suyan 
+1 non-binding

This looks a little more concise.

Sincerely,
Suyan

Craig Russell  于2024年2月28日周三 08:18写道：
>
> It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their home 
> page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and simply 
> use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit iffy on the 
> subject:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
> > After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the initial 
> > code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache 
> > Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable 
> > mentions include:
> >
> >   • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/ URL
> >
> >   • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at the 
> > Apache Software Foundation.
> >
> > The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you publish 
> > them. You only need to make these statements upon the first reference to 
> > the podling in a document.
>
> I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to 
> include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be a 
> huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon graduation 
> all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to change.
>
> I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the 
> podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the .incubator. in 
> the url.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>
>
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-28 Thread sebb 
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 03:28, Xuanwo  wrote:
>
> +1 non-binding
>
> Switching domains and mailing lists requires significant additional effort 
> from the PPMC and INFRA.

I agree that switching mailing lists is a lot of effort.

However, very little effort is needed to switch domains, as redirects
take care of that.
There may be some documentation changes needed, but they can be
largely automated (and can be done piecemeal).

>  I recommand all podling use http://podling.apache.org/ at the very first.

https would be better.

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024, at 08:16, Craig Russell wrote:
> > It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their
> > home page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this
> > and simply use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a
> > bit iffy on the subject:
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> >
> >> After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the initial 
> >> code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache 
> >> Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable 
> >> mentions include:
> >>
> >>  • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/ URL
> >>
> >>  • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at the 
> >> Apache Software Foundation.
> >>
> >> The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you publish 
> >> them. You only need to make these statements upon the first reference to 
> >> the podling in a document.
> >
> > I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to
> > include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to
> > be a huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon
> > graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to
> > change.
> >
> > I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the
> > podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the
> > .incubator. in the url.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > c...@apache.org
> >
> >
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-27 Thread Xuanwo 
+1 non-binding

Switching domains and mailing lists requires significant additional effort from 
the PPMC and INFRA. I recommand all podling use http://podling.apache.org/ at 
the very first.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024, at 08:16, Craig Russell wrote:
> It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their 
> home page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this 
> and simply use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a 
> bit iffy on the subject:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
>> After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the initial 
>> code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache 
>> Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable 
>> mentions include:
>> 
>>  • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/ URL
>> 
>>  • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache 
>> Software Foundation.
>> 
>> The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you publish 
>> them. You only need to make these statements upon the first reference to the 
>> podling in a document.
>
> I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to 
> include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to 
> be a huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon 
> graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to 
> change.
>
> I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the 
> podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the 
> .incubator. in the url.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>
>
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-27 Thread Keyong Zhou 
+1 (non binding) from me, it will release the burden a lot for graduation.

Best,
Keyong Zhou

Craig Russell  于2024年2月28日周三 08:18写道：

> It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their home
> page url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and simply
> use their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit iffy on
> the subject:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
> > After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
> initial code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache
> Podling-Name AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable
> mentions include:
> >
> >   • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/ URL
> >
> >   • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at the
> Apache Software Foundation.
> >
> > The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you
> publish them. You only need to make these statements upon the first
> reference to the podling in a document.
>
> I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to
> include incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be
> a huge waste of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon
> graduation all of the documentation and tooling for mail lists had to
> change.
>
> I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the
> podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the
> .incubator. in the url.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-27 Thread tison 
+1 for me.

While I don't dig into the details, for the podlings I mentored,
although we only ask for the name.apache.org domain, there is a
name.incubator.apache.org online redirected to name.apache.org.

Best,
tison.

Justin Mclean  于2024年2月28日周三 10:21写道：
>
> HI,
>
> > I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the 
> > podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the .incubator. 
> > in the url.
> >
> > WDYT?
>
>
> +1 from me.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
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Re: Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-27 Thread Justin Mclean 
HI,

> I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the 
> podling's url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the .incubator. in 
> the url.
> 
> WDYT?


+1 from me.

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Podling web sites: .incubator. required?

2024-02-27 Thread Craig Russell 
It was policy at one point for podlings to have .incubator. in their home page 
url. But many podlings now have transitioned away from this and simply use 
their podling.apache.org name. The policy document is a bit iffy on the subject:
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html

> After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the initial 
> code drop has commenced, you MUST refer to the podling as Apache Podling-Name 
> AND mention that the project is under Incubation. Suitable mentions include:
> 
>   • Inclusion of the http://podling-name.incubator.apache.org/ URL
> 
>   • Apache Podling-Name is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache 
> Software Foundation.
> 
> The Incubator PMC (IPMC) must approve other references before you publish 
> them. You only need to make these statements upon the first reference to the 
> podling in a document.

I feel this is very much like the former requirement for mail lists to include 
incubator.apache.org as part of their name. This turned out to be a huge waste 
of time for the podling as well as for infra when upon graduation all of the 
documentation and tooling for mail lists had to change.

I would propose that as part of our official policy we recommend the podling's 
url as https://podling.apache.org and get rid of the .incubator. in the url.

WDYT?

Craig L Russell
c...@apache.org


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