Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-30 Thread Bart Maertens
Thanks for your input, Julian and Bertrand!
Unless there's anything else that needs to be discussed, I guess we can
close this [DISCUSS] thread, start a vote to graduate Hop without Ricardo
on the PMC, and vote him in after graduation.

Regards,
Bart

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 9:14 PM Julian Hyde  wrote:

> Thanks for doing the research, Bertrand. That thread describes a case
> (from 2019) that is virtually identical to this one.
>
> I recommend Hop does the same as that case: remove that person’s name from
> the resolution, and vote them in as a PMC member after graduating. Since
> the effect is the same, they can do that without requiring a vote on
> dev@hop.
>
> For the record, my reading of the thread is that resolutions MAY include
> non-Apache people but the candidate project removed the non-Apache people
> from the resolution in order to accommodate limitations in the tooling.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 5:56 PM Julian Hyde 
> wrote:
> >> ...Let’s just assume that it’s OK to include people with non-Apache
> email addresses in the graduation resolution...
> >
> > I don't think that's the case, in previous similar cases Board members
> > asked for the resolutions to be modified to avoid including non-apache
> > email addresses [1].
> >
> > it's very easy for the PMC to fix that as soon as it's created, by
> > voting in the "missing" member. To me that's the safe option here.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/v7b1l27zf1xbkm45y8ryzs6pc0dwcl9g
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-29 Thread Julian Hyde
Thanks for doing the research, Bertrand. That thread describes a case (from 
2019) that is virtually identical to this one.

I recommend Hop does the same as that case: remove that person’s name from the 
resolution, and vote them in as a PMC member after graduating. Since the effect 
is the same, they can do that without requiring a vote on dev@hop.

For the record, my reading of the thread is that resolutions MAY include 
non-Apache people but the candidate project removed the non-Apache people from 
the resolution in order to accommodate limitations in the tooling.

Julian
 

> On Nov 29, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 5:56 PM Julian Hyde  wrote:
>> ...Let’s just assume that it’s OK to include people with non-Apache email 
>> addresses in the graduation resolution...
> 
> I don't think that's the case, in previous similar cases Board members
> asked for the resolutions to be modified to avoid including non-apache
> email addresses [1].
> 
> it's very easy for the PMC to fix that as soon as it's created, by
> voting in the "missing" member. To me that's the safe option here.
> 
> -Bertrand
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/v7b1l27zf1xbkm45y8ryzs6pc0dwcl9g
> (accessible to PMC chairs and ASF Members)
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi,

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 5:56 PM Julian Hyde  wrote:
> ...Let’s just assume that it’s OK to include people with non-Apache email 
> addresses in the graduation resolution...

I don't think that's the case, in previous similar cases Board members
asked for the resolutions to be modified to avoid including non-apache
email addresses [1].

it's very easy for the PMC to fix that as soon as it's created, by
voting in the "missing" member. To me that's the safe option here.

-Bertrand

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/v7b1l27zf1xbkm45y8ryzs6pc0dwcl9g
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-29 Thread Julian Hyde



> On Nov 29, 2021, at 7:50 AM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 04:58, Julian Hyde  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is it possible to give someone an Apache id even if though are not a 
>> committer or PMC member of any project? Maybe that would solve some of the 
>> tooling issues.
> 
> You will have to ask Infra about that.

Let’s just assume that it’s OK to include people with non-Apache email 
addresses in the graduation resolution.

Julian


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-29 Thread sebb
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 04:58, Julian Hyde  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 26, 2021, at 6:05 AM, sebb  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters
> > mailto:matt.cast...@neo4j.com.invalid>> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the
> >> project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in the
> >> process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that (and I
> >> quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people who
> >> were committers in the podling".
> >
> > That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF 
> > committers.
> >
> > AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members
> > have ASF ids.
>
> Yes, I gave them that advice. It seemed rather pointless to vote someone in 
> as a committer, just so that they could get an Apache ID, just so that they 
> could be could be included in the graduation resolution. And then to have to 
> repeat the vote for the graduation resolution because the email address has 
> changed.
>
> Is it possible to give someone an Apache id even if though are not a 
> committer or PMC member of any project? Maybe that would solve some of the 
> tooling issues.

You will have to ask Infra about that.

> Julian
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-28 Thread Julian Hyde


> On Nov 26, 2021, at 6:05 AM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters
> mailto:matt.cast...@neo4j.com.invalid>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the
>> project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in the
>> process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that (and I
>> quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people who
>> were committers in the podling".
> 
> That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF committers.
> 
> AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members
> have ASF ids.

Yes, I gave them that advice. It seemed rather pointless to vote someone in as 
a committer, just so that they could get an Apache ID, just so that they could 
be could be included in the graduation resolution. And then to have to repeat 
the vote for the graduation resolution because the email address has changed.

Is it possible to give someone an Apache id even if though are not a committer 
or PMC member of any project? Maybe that would solve some of the tooling issues.

Julian
 



Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-26 Thread Bart Maertens
Do I get it correctly that the announcements on the users and dev lists are
mainly advice for future releases?
There's not a lot we can do about previous releases at this point, there
doesn't seem to be any documentation about release announcements, and this
feedback was never brought up when we went through the release process for
the (4!) releases we did.

Regarding Ricardo Gouvea as a PMC member who currently is not a committer:
Sebbs feedback conflicts with the advice from our mentor Julian.
Can the IPMC point us to any documentation that states all initial PMC
members need to be podling committers, can we onboard Ricardo when the PMC
is established, or can you clarify the correct approach to handle this?

Regards,
Bart



On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:54 PM sebb  wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 14:35, Matt Casters
>  wrote:
> >
> > We're simply following the advice given here and by our mentors.  We
> didn't
> > send an announcement mail in the beginning and then we did based on your
> > valuable feedback.   If we need to copy the announcement of our releases
> to
> > other mailing lists we can easily do so.
>
> It is important to let users and developers know as well.
> They may not be subscribed to the general announce list.
> BTW, for the developer Hop list, a more detailed email may be appropriate.
>
> Also you have not addressed the issue of the non-ASF committer.
> I suspect there will be some issues with setting up the PMC if this is
> not fixed.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:05 PM sebb  wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Sebb,
> > > >
> > > > Google found the announcement mails, for example [1] and [2].
> > >
> > > Not sure how I missed those.
> > > However, AFAICT they were not announced on general@incubator nor on
> > > any of the podling lists.
> > >
> > > > As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to
> the
> > > > project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is
> in
> > > the
> > > > process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that
> > > (and I
> > > > quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of
> people
> > > who
> > > > were committers in the podling".
> > >
> > > That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF
> > > committers.
> > >
> > > AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members
> > > have ASF ids.
> > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202108.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-9ff3db74f16d3e6f41d2f3ab4f35ecde94c43...@announce.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202110.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-03d88d76819f10519156908b4369a9b7e1979...@announce.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM sebb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens  >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we
> > > believe
> > > > > > Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready
> > > > > > to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion
> > > with the
> > > > > > IPMC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> > > > > September
> > > > > > 2020:
> > > > > > - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors
> > > > > > - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> > > > >
> > > > > However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced.
> > > > >
> > > > > I could not find announce emails on:
> > > > > general@incubator.a.o
> > > > > *@hop.a.o
> > > > > announce@apache.o
> > > > >
> > > > > Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect
> to
> > > > > find some examples.
> > > > >
> > > > > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8
> > > committers(mentors
> > > > > and
> > > > > > PPMC members excluded)
> > > > > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
> > > least 5
> > > > > > different companies/institutes
> > > > > > - Apache Hop website[3]
> > > > > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > > > > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity
> matrix[4]
> > > and
> > > > > > didn't find any issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5]
> > > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > resolved:
> > > > > > - old releases have been cleaned up
> > > > > > - self-assessment is available[4]
> > > > > > - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing
> yaml
> > > file
> > > > > was
> > > > > > added)
> > > > > > - project description in the resolution was rewritten
> > > > > > - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.o

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-26 Thread sebb
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 14:35, Matt Casters
 wrote:
>
> We're simply following the advice given here and by our mentors.  We didn't
> send an announcement mail in the beginning and then we did based on your
> valuable feedback.   If we need to copy the announcement of our releases to
> other mailing lists we can easily do so.

It is important to let users and developers know as well.
They may not be subscribed to the general announce list.
BTW, for the developer Hop list, a more detailed email may be appropriate.

Also you have not addressed the issue of the non-ASF committer.
I suspect there will be some issues with setting up the PMC if this is
not fixed.

>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:05 PM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb,
> > >
> > > Google found the announcement mails, for example [1] and [2].
> >
> > Not sure how I missed those.
> > However, AFAICT they were not announced on general@incubator nor on
> > any of the podling lists.
> >
> > > As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the
> > > project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in
> > the
> > > process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that
> > (and I
> > > quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people
> > who
> > > were committers in the podling".
> >
> > That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF
> > committers.
> >
> > AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members
> > have ASF ids.
> >
> > > All the best,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202108.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-9ff3db74f16d3e6f41d2f3ab4f35ecde94c43...@announce.apache.org%3E
> > > [2]
> > >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202110.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-03d88d76819f10519156908b4369a9b7e1979...@announce.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM sebb  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we
> > believe
> > > > > Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready
> > > > > to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion
> > with the
> > > > > IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> > > > September
> > > > > 2020:
> > > > > - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors
> > > > > - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> > > >
> > > > However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced.
> > > >
> > > > I could not find announce emails on:
> > > > general@incubator.a.o
> > > > *@hop.a.o
> > > > announce@apache.o
> > > >
> > > > Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect to
> > > > find some examples.
> > > >
> > > > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8
> > committers(mentors
> > > > and
> > > > > PPMC members excluded)
> > > > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
> > least 5
> > > > > different companies/institutes
> > > > > - Apache Hop website[3]
> > > > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > > > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[4]
> > and
> > > > > didn't find any issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5]
> > have
> > > > been
> > > > > resolved:
> > > > > - old releases have been cleaned up
> > > > > - self-assessment is available[4]
> > > > > - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing yaml
> > file
> > > > was
> > > > > added)
> > > > > - project description in the resolution was rewritten
> > > > > - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6]
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s8vg1nh1g707s4hhcxjtg1zdccjpjh2k
> > > > > [3] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > > > > [4] https://hop.apache.org/community/incubator/
> > > > > [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jj46blkwrhf0l31srtzo5j5dcv7zsqz3
> > > > > [6] http://52.214.20.244
> > > > >
> > > > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what
> > you
> > > > > think.
> > > > >
> > > > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> > > > >
> > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> > of
> > > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > establish
> > > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> > maintenance
> > > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > > > related to a 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-26 Thread Matt Casters
We're simply following the advice given here and by our mentors.  We didn't
send an announcement mail in the beginning and then we did based on your
valuable feedback.   If we need to copy the announcement of our releases to
other mailing lists we can easily do so.

The reason why it's hard to find anything in the mail archive beyond the
most trivial thing... I would prefer not to comment on that.




On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:05 PM sebb  wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb,
> >
> > Google found the announcement mails, for example [1] and [2].
>
> Not sure how I missed those.
> However, AFAICT they were not announced on general@incubator nor on
> any of the podling lists.
>
> > As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the
> > project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in
> the
> > process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that
> (and I
> > quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people
> who
> > were committers in the podling".
>
> That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF
> committers.
>
> AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members
> have ASF ids.
>
> > All the best,
> > Matt
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202108.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-9ff3db74f16d3e6f41d2f3ab4f35ecde94c43...@announce.apache.org%3E
> > [2]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202110.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-03d88d76819f10519156908b4369a9b7e1979...@announce.apache.org%3E
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM sebb  wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we
> believe
> > > > Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready
> > > > to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion
> with the
> > > > IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> > > September
> > > > 2020:
> > > > - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors
> > > > - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> > >
> > > However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced.
> > >
> > > I could not find announce emails on:
> > > general@incubator.a.o
> > > *@hop.a.o
> > > announce@apache.o
> > >
> > > Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect to
> > > find some examples.
> > >
> > > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8
> committers(mentors
> > > and
> > > > PPMC members excluded)
> > > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
> least 5
> > > > different companies/institutes
> > > > - Apache Hop website[3]
> > > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[4]
> and
> > > > didn't find any issues.
> > > >
> > > > The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5]
> have
> > > been
> > > > resolved:
> > > > - old releases have been cleaned up
> > > > - self-assessment is available[4]
> > > > - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing yaml
> file
> > > was
> > > > added)
> > > > - project description in the resolution was rewritten
> > > > - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6]
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s8vg1nh1g707s4hhcxjtg1zdccjpjh2k
> > > > [3] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > > > [4] https://hop.apache.org/community/incubator/
> > > > [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jj46blkwrhf0l31srtzo5j5dcv7zsqz3
> > > > [6] http://52.214.20.244
> > > >
> > > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what
> you
> > > > think.
> > > >
> > > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
> > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > > related to a platform for data orchestration.
> > > >
> > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> > > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible
> for
> > > > the creation and maintenance of software related to A platform for
> data
> > >
> > > s/A/a/ ?
> > >
> > > > orchestration.; and be it further
> > > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-26 Thread sebb
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Matt Casters
 wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb,
>
> Google found the announcement mails, for example [1] and [2].

Not sure how I missed those.
However, AFAICT they were not announced on general@incubator nor on
any of the podling lists.

> As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the
> project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in the
> process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that (and I
> quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people who
> were committers in the podling".

That is rather different from including people who are not yet ASF committers.

AFAIK, most of the Infra and Whimsy tooling assumes that PMC members
have ASF ids.

> All the best,
> Matt
>
> [1]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202108.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-9ff3db74f16d3e6f41d2f3ab4f35ecde94c43...@announce.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202110.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-03d88d76819f10519156908b4369a9b7e1979...@announce.apache.org%3E
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we believe
> > > Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready
> > > to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion with the
> > > IPMC.
> > >
> > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> > September
> > > 2020:
> > > - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors
> > > - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> >
> > However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced.
> >
> > I could not find announce emails on:
> > general@incubator.a.o
> > *@hop.a.o
> > announce@apache.o
> >
> > Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect to
> > find some examples.
> >
> > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8 committers(mentors
> > and
> > > PPMC members excluded)
> > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 5
> > > different companies/institutes
> > > - Apache Hop website[3]
> > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[4] and
> > > didn't find any issues.
> > >
> > > The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5] have
> > been
> > > resolved:
> > > - old releases have been cleaned up
> > > - self-assessment is available[4]
> > > - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing yaml file
> > was
> > > added)
> > > - project description in the resolution was rewritten
> > > - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6]
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s8vg1nh1g707s4hhcxjtg1zdccjpjh2k
> > > [3] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > > [4] https://hop.apache.org/community/incubator/
> > > [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jj46blkwrhf0l31srtzo5j5dcv7zsqz3
> > > [6] http://52.214.20.244
> > >
> > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> > > think.
> > >
> > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > related to a platform for data orchestration.
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> > > the creation and maintenance of software related to A platform for data
> >
> > s/A/a/ ?
> >
> > > orchestration.; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> > > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> > > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> > > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
> > >
> > > * Bart Maertens 
> > > * Brandon Jackson 
> > > * Dave Campen 
> > > * Francois Papon 
> > > * Hans Van Akelyen 
> > > * Julian Hyde 
> > > * Kevin Ratnasekera 
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-26 Thread Matt Casters
Hi Sebb,

Google found the announcement mails, for example [1] and [2].
As for Ricardo: he is indeed not a committer (yet) but an advisor to the
project.  His insights as an educator have been very valuable and is in the
process of becoming a committer.  Our mentor Julian informed us that (and I
quote) "There’s no rule that the initial PMC can consist only of people who
were committers in the podling".

All the best,
Matt

[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202108.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-9ff3db74f16d3e6f41d2f3ab4f35ecde94c43...@announce.apache.org%3E
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-announce/202110.mbox/%3cpony-5f4f7c3ea0e95da19b9d17390cc7ff00d42fdf75-03d88d76819f10519156908b4369a9b7e1979...@announce.apache.org%3E


On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM sebb  wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we believe
> > Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready
> > to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion with the
> > IPMC.
> >
> > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> September
> > 2020:
> > - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors
> > - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
>
> However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced.
>
> I could not find announce emails on:
> general@incubator.a.o
> *@hop.a.o
> announce@apache.o
>
> Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect to
> find some examples.
>
> > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8 committers(mentors
> and
> > PPMC members excluded)
> > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 5
> > different companies/institutes
> > - Apache Hop website[3]
> > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[4] and
> > didn't find any issues.
> >
> > The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5] have
> been
> > resolved:
> > - old releases have been cleaned up
> > - self-assessment is available[4]
> > - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing yaml file
> was
> > added)
> > - project description in the resolution was rewritten
> > - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6]
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s8vg1nh1g707s4hhcxjtg1zdccjpjh2k
> > [3] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > [4] https://hop.apache.org/community/incubator/
> > [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jj46blkwrhf0l31srtzo5j5dcv7zsqz3
> > [6] http://52.214.20.244
> >
> > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> > think.
> >
> > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related to a platform for data orchestration.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> > the creation and maintenance of software related to A platform for data
>
> s/A/a/ ?
>
> > orchestration.; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
> >
> > * Bart Maertens 
> > * Brandon Jackson 
> > * Dave Campen 
> > * Francois Papon 
> > * Hans Van Akelyen 
> > * Julian Hyde 
> > * Kevin Ratnasekera 
> > * Matt Casters 
> > * Nicolas Adment 
> > * Ricardo Gouvea 
>
> Only apache.org addresses are normally allowed here.
>
> > * Sergio Ramazzina 
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
> > appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
> > accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> > and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> > removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> > it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop P

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-11-26 Thread sebb
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 07:15, Bart Maertens  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> After a discussion[1] with and vote by[2] the Hop community, we believe
> Apache Hop (Incubating) is ready
> to graduate as a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion with the
> IPMC.
>
> The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in September
> 2020:
> - close to 3200 commits by 28 contributors
> - 4 releases(0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)

However, it looks like none of these releases was ever announced.

I could not find announce emails on:
general@incubator.a.o
*@hop.a.o
announce@apache.o

Announcements are an important part of releases, so I would expect to
find some examples.

> - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members(mentors excluded) and 8 committers(mentors and
> PPMC members excluded)
> - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 5
> different companies/institutes
> - Apache Hop website[3]
> - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[4] and
> didn't find any issues.
>
> The topics that were discussed in the earlier [DISCUSS] thread[5] have been
> resolved:
> - old releases have been cleaned up
> - self-assessment is available[4]
> - Whimsy licensing issue is WiP (licensing is ok, the missing yaml file was
> added)
> - project description in the resolution was rewritten
> - an old pre-incubator website was removed[6]
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/s8vg1nh1g707s4hhcxjtg1zdccjpjh2k
> [3] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> [4] https://hop.apache.org/community/incubator/
> [5] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jj46blkwrhf0l31srtzo5j5dcv7zsqz3
> [6] http://52.214.20.244
>
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
>
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>
> --
>
> Establish the Apache Hop Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to a platform for data orchestration.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to A platform for data

s/A/a/ ?

> orchestration.; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
>
> * Bart Maertens 
> * Brandon Jackson 
> * Dave Campen 
> * Francois Papon 
> * Hans Van Akelyen 
> * Julian Hyde 
> * Kevin Ratnasekera 
> * Matt Casters 
> * Nicolas Adment 
> * Ricardo Gouvea 

Only apache.org addresses are normally allowed here.

> * Sergio Ramazzina 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hop podling; and
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> Hop podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> discharged.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-28 Thread Bart Maertens
Hi Justin, All,

The server mentioned as [1] was an old test server that has been shut down.
The other issues mentioned earlier in this thread have been taken care of
as well.

We'll start a discussion about (P)PMC membership, do a community vote on
the graduation and start a new [DISCUSS] thread here.
Please let us know if there are any other steps or items we need to take
into account.

Regards,
Bart

[1] http://52.214.20.244


On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 AM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I look a look at the project and noticed some thing re the PMC makeup:
> - Some of your proposed PMC members are existing PPMC member but are not
> signed up to the project private mailing list
> - The project has not voted any PPMC members.
> - Could some of the existing committers be consider PMC members?
>
> I’m also curious to what is this site and why it exits? [1]
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
> 1. http://52.214.20.244
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-18 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi,

I look a look at the project and noticed some thing re the PMC makeup:
- Some of your proposed PMC members are existing PPMC member but are not signed 
up to the project private mailing list
- The project has not voted any PPMC members.
- Could some of the existing committers be consider PMC members?

I’m also curious to what is this site and why it exits? [1]

Thanks,
Justin


1. http://52.214.20.244


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-16 Thread Bart Maertens
Hi Julian, All,

The older release artifacts[1] are removed and the download page[2] is
updated. Only the latest 1.0 release is still available.
The missing hop.yml file[3] has been added.

We'll discuss and update the resolution description over the next few days.

We skipped the community vote because the graduation guide[4] mentions
"This VOTE is not a requirement but is recommended". We assumed the
positive feedback about graduation we got from our mentors in an earlier
thread on the dev mailing list[5] and in the context of the 1.0 release[6]
was sufficient.
We can of course still organize the vote if necessary.

[1] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/
[2] https://hop.apache.org/download/
[3]
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings/hop.yml
[4] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
[5]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
[6]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ra12672123f1b20dd61de8146e670b4e0f00b00031658dd9a5271%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E

Regards,
Bart

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 2:34 AM Julian Hyde  wrote:

> I agree with Craig; the description of the project in the resolution
> definitely needs some work.
>
> I noticed that the project has not held formal vote for graduation on
> dev@hop. I’ll remind the project that they need to have that vote before
> proceeding to a vote on general@incubator.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Craig Russell 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd strongly suggest that you improve the wording of the resolution
> "related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform". It's barely
> parseable.
> >
> > Perhaps make it simpler by removing the entire text after "related to
> short for the Hop Orchestration Platform...easily used by other software"
> and replacing it with "related to Java-based data orchestration tools".
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Craig
> >
> >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:02 AM, Bart Maertens  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
> (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up
> in discussion with the IPMC.
> >>
> >> The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> September 2020:
> >>
> >> - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> >> - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> >> - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers
> (mentors and PPMC members excluded)
> >> - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least
> 4 different companies/institutes
> >> - Apache Hop website[2]
> >> - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> >> - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and
> didn't find any issues.
> >>
> >> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> >> [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> >> [3]
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >>
> >> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
> >>
> >> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> >>
> >>
> -
> >>
> >> Establish the Apache Hop Project
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> >> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> >> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> >> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> >> related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written completely
> >> in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> >> including a visual development environment, servers, metadata analysis,
> >> auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> >> reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
> >>
> >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> >> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> >> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> >> the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> >> Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide a
> >> wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
> >> environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on. As
> >> a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> >> easily reused by other software; and be it further
> >>
> >> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> >> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> >> the Board of Directors as 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread Julian Hyde
I agree with Craig; the description of the project in the resolution definitely 
needs some work.

I noticed that the project has not held formal vote for graduation on dev@hop. 
I’ll remind the project that they need to have that vote before proceeding to a 
vote on general@incubator.

Julian


> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Craig Russell  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd strongly suggest that you improve the wording of the resolution "related 
> to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform". It's barely parseable. 
> 
> Perhaps make it simpler by removing the entire text after "related to short 
> for the Hop Orchestration Platform...easily used by other software" and 
> replacing it with "related to Java-based data orchestration tools". 
> 
> Warm regards,
> Craig
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:02 AM, Bart Maertens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 
>> After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop (Incubating) 
>> is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion 
>> with the IPMC.
>> 
>> The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in September 
>> 2020: 
>> 
>> - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
>> - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
>> - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers (mentors and 
>> PPMC members excluded)
>> - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 4 
>> different companies/institutes
>> - Apache Hop website[2]
>> - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org 
>> - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and 
>> didn't find any issues.   
>> 
>> [1] 
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
>> [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
>> [3] 
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>> 
>> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you 
>> think.
>> 
>> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Establish the Apache Hop Project
>> 
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>> related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written completely
>> in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
>> including a visual development environment, servers, metadata analysis,
>> auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
>> reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
>> 
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
>> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
>> the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
>> Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide a
>> wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
>> environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on. As
>> a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
>> easily reused by other software; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
>> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
>> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
>> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
>> scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
>> 
>> * Bart Maertens  
>> * Brandon Jackson
>> * Francois Papon 
>> * Hans Van Akelyen   
>> * Hiromu Hota
>> * Julian Hyde
>> * Kevin Ratnasekera  
>> * Matt Casters   
>> * Maximilian Michels 
>> * Nicolas Adment 
>> * Tom Barber 
>> 
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
>> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
>> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
>> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
>> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
>> it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is tasked with the
>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hop podling; and
>> be it further
>> 
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>> Hop podling encumbered upon the Apache Inc

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread Craig Russell
Hi,

I'd strongly suggest that you improve the wording of the resolution "related to 
short for the Hop Orchestration Platform". It's barely parseable. 

Perhaps make it simpler by removing the entire text after "related to short for 
the Hop Orchestration Platform...easily used by other software" and replacing 
it with "related to Java-based data orchestration tools". 

Warm regards,
Craig

> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:02 AM, Bart Maertens  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop (Incubating) 
> is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up in discussion 
> with the IPMC.
> 
> The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in September 
> 2020: 
> 
> - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers (mentors and 
> PPMC members excluded)
> - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 4 
> different companies/institutes
> - Apache Hop website[2]
> - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org 
> - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and didn't 
> find any issues.   
> 
> [1] 
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> [3] https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> 
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you think.
> 
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> 
> -
> 
> Establish the Apache Hop Project
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written completely
> in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> including a visual development environment, servers, metadata analysis,
> auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide a
> wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
> environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on. As
> a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> easily reused by other software; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
> 
> * Bart Maertens  
> * Brandon Jackson
> * Francois Papon 
> * Hans Van Akelyen   
> * Hiromu Hota
> * Julian Hyde
> * Kevin Ratnasekera  
> * Matt Casters   
> * Maximilian Michels 
> * Nicolas Adment 
> * Tom Barber 
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hop podling; and
> be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> Hop podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> discharged.
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread Julian Hyde
I don’t think the infractions noted by Sebb affect Hop’s readiness to graduate. 
In a well-running project those would be raised on the dev list and easily 
resolved. 

Hop is a well-running project with an open and active community. I have been 
one of its mentors through Incubation. It is ready to be a top-level Apache 
project. Good luck!

> On Oct 15, 2021, at 5:03 AM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 12:51, sebb  wrote:
> 
>> There is a minor issue with the website:
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hop
>> Whimsy reports some Licensing issues:
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/hop#podlingStatus
>> 
>> 
> This is presumably caused by a missing yml file at:
> 
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings/
> 
> 
>>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there a self-assessment for Hop Graduation Maturity Assessment? help
>>> the
>>> decision (of the mentors, community, Incubator PMC, and ASF Board of
>>> Directors) discussion to graduate it as a top-level Apache project.
>>> 
>>> sebb  于2021年10月15日周五 下午6:34写道:
>>> 
 The download area has several old releases; these should be removed and
>>> the
 download page updated.
 
 https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/
 
 Although there are release Announce emails on the general announce@a.o
 list, I could not find any such announcements on the Hop dev or user
>>> lists,
 nor on general@incubator. This seems odd.
 
 
 On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:02, Bart Maertens 
>>> wrote:
 
> Hi All,
> 
> After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
> (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring
>>> it
 up
> in discussion with the IPMC.
> 
> The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
 September
> 2020:
> 
> - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers
>>> (mentors
> and PPMC members excluded)
> - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
>>> least 4
> different companies/institutes
> - Apache Hop website[2]
> - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and
> didn't find any issues.
> 
> [1]
> 
 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> [3]
> 
 
>>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> 
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what
>>> you
> think.
> 
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> 
> 
> 
 
>>> -
> 
> Establish the Apache Hop Project
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
>>> of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>>> establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
>>> maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written
>>> completely
> in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> including a visual development environment, servers, metadata
>>> analysis,
> auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide
>>> a
> wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
> environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on.
>>> As
> a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> easily reused by other software; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and
>>> hereby
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
>>> of
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediatel

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread sebb
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 12:51, sebb  wrote:

> There is a minor issue with the website:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hop
> Whimsy reports some Licensing issues:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/hop#podlingStatus
>
>
This is presumably caused by a missing yml file at:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings/


> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a self-assessment for Hop Graduation Maturity Assessment? help
>> the
>> decision (of the mentors, community, Incubator PMC, and ASF Board of
>> Directors) discussion to graduate it as a top-level Apache project.
>>
>> sebb  于2021年10月15日周五 下午6:34写道:
>>
>> > The download area has several old releases; these should be removed and
>> the
>> > download page updated.
>> >
>> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/
>> >
>> > Although there are release Announce emails on the general announce@a.o
>> > list, I could not find any such announcements on the Hop dev or user
>> lists,
>> > nor on general@incubator. This seems odd.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:02, Bart Maertens 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
>> > > (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring
>> it
>> > up
>> > > in discussion with the IPMC.
>> > >
>> > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
>> > September
>> > > 2020:
>> > >
>> > > - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
>> > > - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
>> > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers
>> (mentors
>> > > and PPMC members excluded)
>> > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
>> least 4
>> > > different companies/institutes
>> > > - Apache Hop website[2]
>> > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
>> > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and
>> > > didn't find any issues.
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > >
>> >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
>> > > [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
>> > > [3]
>> > >
>> >
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>> > >
>> > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what
>> you
>> > > think.
>> > >
>> > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> -
>> > >
>> > > Establish the Apache Hop Project
>> > >
>> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
>> of
>> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>> establish
>> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
>> maintenance
>> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>> > > related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written
>> completely
>> > > in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
>> > > including a visual development environment, servers, metadata
>> analysis,
>> > > auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
>> > > reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
>> > >
>> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>> > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
>> > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>> > >
>> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
>> > > the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
>> > > Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide
>> a
>> > > wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
>> > > environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on.
>> As
>> > > a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
>> > > easily reused by other software; and be it further
>> > >
>> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and
>> hereby
>> > > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
>> of
>> > > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
>> > > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
>> > > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
>> > >
>> > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>> > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
>> > >
>> > >  * Bart Maertens  
>> > >  * Brandon Jackson
>> > >  * Francois Papon 
>> > >  * Hans Van Akelyen   
>> > >  * Hiromu Hota
>> > >  * Julian Hyde
>> > >  * Kevin Ratnasekera  
>> > >  * Matt Casters   
>> > >  * Maximilian Michels 
>> > >  * Nicolas Adment 
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread Hans Van Akelyen
Hi Seb,

It's because we have both the https://www.apache.org/licenses/ and
https://apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 on our website.
In this case we believe it should be green, and the check is not working
100% in our case.

Cheers,
Hans


On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 13:51, sebb  wrote:

> There is a minor issue with the website:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hop
> Whimsy reports some Licensing issues:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/hop#podlingStatus
>
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a self-assessment for Hop Graduation Maturity Assessment? help
> the
> > decision (of the mentors, community, Incubator PMC, and ASF Board of
> > Directors) discussion to graduate it as a top-level Apache project.
> >
> > sebb  于2021年10月15日周五 下午6:34写道:
> >
> > > The download area has several old releases; these should be removed and
> > the
> > > download page updated.
> > >
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/
> > >
> > > Although there are release Announce emails on the general announce@a.o
> > > list, I could not find any such announcements on the Hop dev or user
> > lists,
> > > nor on general@incubator. This seems odd.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:02, Bart Maertens 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
> > > > (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring
> > it
> > > up
> > > > in discussion with the IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> > > September
> > > > 2020:
> > > >
> > > > - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> > > > - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> > > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers
> > (mentors
> > > > and PPMC members excluded)
> > > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
> > least 4
> > > > different companies/institutes
> > > > - Apache Hop website[2]
> > > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3]
> and
> > > > didn't find any issues.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > > >
> > > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what
> you
> > > > think.
> > > >
> > > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> -
> > > >
> > > > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
> > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > establish
> > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> > maintenance
> > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > > related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written
> completely
> > > > in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> > > > including a visual development environment, servers, metadata
> analysis,
> > > > auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> > > > reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
> > > >
> > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> > > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible
> for
> > > > the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> > > > Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to
> provide a
> > > > wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual
> development
> > > > environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on.
> > As
> > > > a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> > > > easily reused by other software; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and
> hereby
> > > > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of
> > > > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> > > > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > > > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
> > > >
> > > >  * Bart Maertens  
> > > >  * Brandon Jackson
> > > >  * Francois Papon 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread sebb
There is a minor issue with the website:
https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/hop
Whimsy reports some Licensing issues:
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/hop#podlingStatus

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a self-assessment for Hop Graduation Maturity Assessment? help the
> decision (of the mentors, community, Incubator PMC, and ASF Board of
> Directors) discussion to graduate it as a top-level Apache project.
>
> sebb  于2021年10月15日周五 下午6:34写道:
>
> > The download area has several old releases; these should be removed and
> the
> > download page updated.
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/
> >
> > Although there are release Announce emails on the general announce@a.o
> > list, I could not find any such announcements on the Hop dev or user
> lists,
> > nor on general@incubator. This seems odd.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:02, Bart Maertens  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
> > > (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring
> it
> > up
> > > in discussion with the IPMC.
> > >
> > > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> > September
> > > 2020:
> > >
> > > - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> > > - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> > > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers
> (mentors
> > > and PPMC members excluded)
> > > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at
> least 4
> > > different companies/institutes
> > > - Apache Hop website[2]
> > > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and
> > > didn't find any issues.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > > [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > > [3]
> > >
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > >
> > > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> > > think.
> > >
> > > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> -
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written completely
> > > in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> > > including a visual development environment, servers, metadata analysis,
> > > auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> > > reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> > > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> > > the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> > > Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide a
> > > wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
> > > environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on.
> As
> > > a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> > > easily reused by other software; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> > > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> > > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> > > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
> > >
> > >  * Bart Maertens  
> > >  * Brandon Jackson
> > >  * Francois Papon 
> > >  * Hans Van Akelyen   
> > >  * Hiromu Hota
> > >  * Julian Hyde
> > >  * Kevin Ratnasekera  
> > >  * Matt Casters   
> > >  * Maximilian Michels 
> > >  * Nicolas Adment 
> > >  * Tom Barber 
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
> > > appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
> > > accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> > > and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retireme

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread Calvin Kirs
Hi,

Is there a self-assessment for Hop Graduation Maturity Assessment? help the
decision (of the mentors, community, Incubator PMC, and ASF Board of
Directors) discussion to graduate it as a top-level Apache project.

sebb  于2021年10月15日周五 下午6:34写道:

> The download area has several old releases; these should be removed and the
> download page updated.
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/
>
> Although there are release Announce emails on the general announce@a.o
> list, I could not find any such announcements on the Hop dev or user lists,
> nor on general@incubator. This seems odd.
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:02, Bart Maertens  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
> > (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring it
> up
> > in discussion with the IPMC.
> >
> > The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in
> September
> > 2020:
> >
> > - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> > - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> > - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers (mentors
> > and PPMC members excluded)
> > - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 4
> > different companies/institutes
> > - Apache Hop website[2]
> > - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> > - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and
> > didn't find any issues.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> > [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> > [3]
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >
> > Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> > think.
> >
> > The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> >
> >
> -
> >
> > Establish the Apache Hop Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written completely
> > in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> > including a visual development environment, servers, metadata analysis,
> > auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> > reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> > established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> > the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> > Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide a
> > wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
> > environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on. As
> > a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> > easily reused by other software; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> > the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
> >
> >  * Bart Maertens  
> >  * Brandon Jackson
> >  * Francois Papon 
> >  * Hans Van Akelyen   
> >  * Hiromu Hota
> >  * Julian Hyde
> >  * Kevin Ratnasekera  
> >  * Matt Casters   
> >  * Maximilian Michels 
> >  * Nicolas Adment 
> >  * Tom Barber 
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
> > appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
> > accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> > and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> > removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> > it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hop podling; and
> > be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> > Hop podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> > discharged.
> >
> > -

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Hop (Incubating) as a TLP

2021-10-15 Thread sebb
The download area has several old releases; these should be removed and the
download page updated.

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/hop/

Although there are release Announce emails on the general announce@a.o
list, I could not find any such announcements on the Hop dev or user lists,
nor on general@incubator. This seems odd.


On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:02, Bart Maertens  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> After a discussion with the community[1], we believe Apache Hop
> (Incubating) is ready for graduation to a TLP, and we'd like to bring it up
> in discussion with the IPMC.
>
> The Hop community achievements since Hop joined the Incubator in September
> 2020:
>
> - over 3000 commits by 27 contributors
> - 4 releases (0.60, 0.70, 0.99, 1.0)
> - 5 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 8 committers (mentors
> and PPMC members excluded)
> - diverse committers and PPMC, with regular contributions from at least 4
> different companies/institutes
> - Apache Hop website[2]
> - dev conversations at d...@hop.apache.org
> - assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix[3] and
> didn't find any issues.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/reab316256de8b7d8a8e2c73dbc412ca82a3f7c17243163061f848f9c%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E
> [2] https://hop.incubator.apache.org/
> [3]
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>
> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what you
> think.
>
> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>
>
> -
>
> Establish the Apache Hop Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to short for the Hop Orchestration Platform. Written completely
> in Java it aims to provide a wide range of data orchestration tools,
> including a visual development environment, servers, metadata analysis,
> auditing services and so on. As a platform, Hop also wants to be a
> reusable library so that it can be easily reused by other software.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Hop Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to short for the Hop
> Orchestration Platform. Written completely in Java it aims to provide a
> wide range of data orchestration tools, including a visual development
> environment, servers, metadata analysis, auditing services and so on. As
> a platform, Hop also wants to be a reusable library so that it can be
> easily reused by other software; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Hop" be and hereby
> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Hop Project, and to
> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache Hop Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Hop Project:
>
>  * Bart Maertens  
>  * Brandon Jackson
>  * Francois Papon 
>  * Hans Van Akelyen   
>  * Hiromu Hota
>  * Julian Hyde
>  * Kevin Ratnasekera  
>  * Matt Casters   
>  * Maximilian Michels 
>  * Nicolas Adment 
>  * Tom Barber 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hans Van Akelyen be
> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Hop, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Hop Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Hop podling; and
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> Hop podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> discharged.
>
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