Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
ok.. so we have 4 mentors..time for a vote.. Avinash.. do u want to do the honors? Noel J. Bergman wrote: Torsten Curdt wrote: The Champion can be expected to be a Mentor (see below, though). No extra uber anything. No greater (or lessor) of equals. http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor From that document (redacted for clarity): Champion: A Member of the Apache Software Foundation who supports a Candidate's application for Incubation and who supports and assists the Podling through the Incubation process. Mentor: A Podling has one or more Mentors, one of which MUST be an Apache Member. Mentors [actively monitor] the podling, guide the podling in the Apache Way, and report its [status.] All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. Difference? And note that if the Champion were not an Incubator PMC member, there would not be a binding vote. So what's the exact difference between champion and mentor then? Champion is someone who helps them get accepted. After that, everything expected of the Champion applies to the Mentors. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Torsten Curdt wrote: Isn't the champion expected to be the ubermentor anyway? Oh, please, no. :-) Leave off the adjective. The Champion can be expected to be a Mentor (see below, though). No extra uber anything. No greater (or lessor) of equals. Or to rephrase this: does the vote of the champion not count? The vote of every Incubator PMC member counts. Champion, Mentor or otherwise. If the Champion is not a PMC member, the vote does not count. Anyway ... I think it would be nice to find more than just 3 mentors. The more the merrier. :-) Just realized I am not members of the Incubator PMC. Wasn't aware that's required. Please send e-mail to the PMC asking to join. Implied and third party requests don't count. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Isn't the champion expected to be the ubermentor anyway? Oh, please, no. :-) Leave off the adjective. The Champion can be expected to be a Mentor (see below, though). No extra uber anything. No greater (or lessor) of equals. Well, that's somehow how I read it from http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor So what's the exact difference between champion and mentor then? Please send e-mail to the PMC asking to join. Done. cheers -- Torsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Torsten Curdt wrote: The Champion can be expected to be a Mentor (see below, though). No extra uber anything. No greater (or lessor) of equals. http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor From that document (redacted for clarity): Champion: A Member of the Apache Software Foundation who supports a Candidate's application for Incubation and who supports and assists the Podling through the Incubation process. Mentor: A Podling has one or more Mentors, one of which MUST be an Apache Member. Mentors [actively monitor] the podling, guide the podling in the Apache Way, and report its [status.] All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. Difference? And note that if the Champion were not an Incubator PMC member, there would not be a binding vote. So what's the exact difference between champion and mentor then? Champion is someone who helps them get accepted. After that, everything expected of the Champion applies to the Mentors. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Isn't the champion expected to be the ubermentor anyway? Or to rephrase this: does the vote of the champion not count? ... or can one person be champion and mentor? Anyway ... I think it would be nice to find more than just 3 mentors. BTW: Just realized I am not members of the Incubator PMC. Wasn't aware that's required. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:38, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Ian Holsman wrote: I'll be a mentor. do we need 2 or 3? That would be nice, yes. 3 mentors == 3 binding votes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Torsten Curdt wrote: Isn't the champion expected to be the ubermentor anyway? Or to rephrase this: does the vote of the champion not count? ... or can one person be champion and mentor? Yes and should be called out as both. BTW: Just realized I am not members of the Incubator PMC. Wasn't aware that's required. Yes, but that's usually easy to remedy as an ASF member, email the private incubator.apache.org list with a request to join the committee. ASF members are strongly preferred as mentors by virtue of the fact that they have been around the block of the ASF, so to speak. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
If you need one more, you can count me in. Cheers, Matthieu On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:38 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.netwrote: Ian Holsman wrote: I'll be a mentor. do we need 2 or 3? That would be nice, yes. 3 mentors == 3 binding votes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
I am expecting to be a mentor. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Matthieu Riou matthieu.r...@gmail.com wrote: If you need one more, you can count me in. Cheers, Matthieu On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:38 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.netwrote: Ian Holsman wrote: I'll be a mentor. do we need 2 or 3? That would be nice, yes. 3 mentors == 3 binding votes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
It's been ~10 days since the cassandra proposal was put up. are people comfortable enough with this to put it to a vote? I have some personal opinions, but I'll keep them to myself. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Ian Holsman li...@holsman.net wrote: As the FB guys seem to be a bit busy, I'll take a stab at answering this. Firstly cassandra uses a gossip protocol for dynamic addition (and removal) of servers from the pool. when you bring up a new node you simply configure a set of seeds for it to initially communicate to and your away. It is using eventual consistency (see Warner Vogel's explanation http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/12/eventually_consistent.html for an intro to this) to do replication across the pool. I believe this is different than hbase/hypertable. It is more suited to OLTP than to batch environments than hbase/hypertable. HTH (and is that it's correct ;-) Ian On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Otis Gospodnetic otis_gospodne...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, The distributed storage system for managing structured/unstructured data while providing reliability at a massive scale. part sounds kind of like HDFS. Would it be possible to describe how Cassandra is different from HDFS? Perhaps the best place to do it is under the Relationships with Other Apache Products section. Thanks, Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message From: Avinash Lakshman alaksh...@facebook.com To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Prashant Malik pma...@facebook.com; Kannan Muthukkaruppan kan...@facebook.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 7:51:28 PM Subject: Cassandra Incubator Proposal Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Ian Holsman li...@holsman.net wrote: It's been ~10 days since the cassandra proposal was put up. are people comfortable enough with this to put it to a vote?... No - the proposal [1] still only lists a single mentor. Or is Brian planning to be a mentor as well? -Bertrand [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
I'll be a mentor. do we need 2 or 3? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Ian Holsman li...@holsman.net wrote: It's been ~10 days since the cassandra proposal was put up. are people comfortable enough with this to put it to a vote?... No - the proposal [1] still only lists a single mentor. Or is Brian planning to be a mentor as well? -Bertrand [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Ian Holsman wrote: I'll be a mentor. do we need 2 or 3? That would be nice, yes. 3 mentors == 3 binding votes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
yep. but at the moment the FB guys are driving it, and are a bit upset at me for suggesting to fork it due to lack of activity on the original project, and I can't answer the concerns raised (is this an orphaned project in FB, and who the dedicated pool of users are). regards Ian. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Matthieu Riou [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Ian Holsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess once these things are addressed we could look further into it, and you could start looking for a project sponsor (db.apache.org perhaps?) and some more mentors. As you seem to have been one of the drivers behind this move, you know you can ask to be in the committers list of the podling along with anybody interested in working on it at this point, right? Matthieu On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Otis Gospodnetic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The distributed storage system for managing structured/unstructured data while providing reliability at a massive scale. part sounds kind of like HDFS. Would it be possible to describe how Cassandra is different from HDFS? Perhaps the best place to do it is under the Relationships with Other Apache Products section. Thanks, Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message From: Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Prashant Malik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kannan Muthukkaruppan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 7:51:28 PM Subject: Cassandra Incubator Proposal Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
As the FB guys seem to be a bit busy, I'll take a stab at answering this. Firstly cassandra uses a gossip protocol for dynamic addition (and removal) of servers from the pool. when you bring up a new node you simply configure a set of seeds for it to initially communicate to and your away. It is using eventual consistency (see Warner Vogel's explanation http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/12/eventually_consistent.html for an intro to this) to do replication across the pool. I believe this is different than hbase/hypertable. It is more suited to OLTP than to batch environments than hbase/hypertable. HTH (and is that it's correct ;-) Ian On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Otis Gospodnetic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The distributed storage system for managing structured/unstructured data while providing reliability at a massive scale. part sounds kind of like HDFS. Would it be possible to describe how Cassandra is different from HDFS? Perhaps the best place to do it is under the Relationships with Other Apache Products section. Thanks, Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message From: Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Prashant Malik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kannan Muthukkaruppan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 7:51:28 PM Subject: Cassandra Incubator Proposal Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
I guess once these things are addressed we could look further into it, and you could start looking for a project sponsor (db.apache.org perhaps?) and some more mentors. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Otis Gospodnetic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The distributed storage system for managing structured/unstructured data while providing reliability at a massive scale. part sounds kind of like HDFS. Would it be possible to describe how Cassandra is different from HDFS? Perhaps the best place to do it is under the Relationships with Other Apache Products section. Thanks, Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message From: Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Prashant Malik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kannan Muthukkaruppan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 7:51:28 PM Subject: Cassandra Incubator Proposal Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Ian Holsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess once these things are addressed we could look further into it, and you could start looking for a project sponsor (db.apache.org perhaps?) and some more mentors. As you seem to have been one of the drivers behind this move, you know you can ask to be in the committers list of the podling along with anybody interested in working on it at this point, right? Matthieu On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Otis Gospodnetic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The distributed storage system for managing structured/unstructured data while providing reliability at a massive scale. part sounds kind of like HDFS. Would it be possible to describe how Cassandra is different from HDFS? Perhaps the best place to do it is under the Relationships with Other Apache Products section. Thanks, Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message From: Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Prashant Malik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kannan Muthukkaruppan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 7:51:28 PM Subject: Cassandra Incubator Proposal Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Hello, The distributed storage system for managing structured/unstructured data while providing reliability at a massive scale. part sounds kind of like HDFS. Would it be possible to describe how Cassandra is different from HDFS? Perhaps the best place to do it is under the Relationships with Other Apache Products section. Thanks, Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message From: Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Prashant Malik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kannan Muthukkaruppan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 7:51:28 PM Subject: Cassandra Incubator Proposal Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
None of the developers are salaried specifically to work on Cassandra to our knowledge None of the developers is working on this project during work hours? Cassandra has already attracted a stable base of users Do you have a ballpark of how many users? External Dependencies I would list the libraries and their licenses explicitly. cheers -- Torsten On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassandra Incubator Proposal
Hi Guys. my 2c's you need to put the employer names of the initial commiters. The reliance on salaried employee's is misleading, as Facebook employs the majority of the core developers, and at one stage they were dedicated to maintaining this. Another risk I would put down is lack of experience with open source projects and culture, as this is something that will have to be learnt by the core developers, and is still a large risk (imho) for this project not succeeding. Regards Ian On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Avinash Lakshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Folks Please consider our proposal to move the Cassandra project into the Incubation process - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Cassandra. Please advice, as to what else is required for us complete this process. Cheers Avinash
