Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 23:11, sebb  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 08:05, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]
> >
> > Three of the inactive PPMC have indicated to step down after the graduation.
> > For the remaining one, it is a known issue on the private@dubbo list.
> > The PPMC member has subscribed to private with apache mail address, I
> > am not sure why it is shown as not subscribed. I will continue to
> > investigate it.
>
> As a mentor, you should be able to check the subscriber list, see:

s/mentor/moderator/

> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper
> - list current subscribers
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> >
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 03:45, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>
> Hi sebb,
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 6:18 AM sebb  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 08:05, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]
> > >
> > > Three of the inactive PPMC have indicated to step down after the 
> > > graduation.
> > > For the remaining one, it is a known issue on the private@dubbo list.
> > > The PPMC member has subscribed to private with apache mail address, I
> > > am not sure why it is shown as not subscribed. I will continue to
> > > investigate it.
> >
> > As a mentor, you should be able to check the subscriber list, see:
> >
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper
> > - list current subscribers
>
> I am not a mentor, I am a moderator of the list.

Sorry, that was a typo: I meant moderator.

> Thanks for the information, I can confirm the subscription was unsuccessful.
> The PPMC has already subscribed, I can see it on the list current subscribers.
> I may need some time for the whimsy page to sync.

The last sync time is shown on the Whimsy page.

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

Given some of the issue around this do you think we should auto-subscribe all 
mentors or PPMC members to the private list as part of the podlings. We could 
also auto subscribe mentors to the IPMC list at the same time. There may be 
some technical reason for not doing this, but ignoring that do people think thi 
is a good idea? Basically it’s opt-out rather than opt-in.

Thanks,
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi sebb,

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 6:18 AM sebb  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 08:05, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]
> >
> > Three of the inactive PPMC have indicated to step down after the graduation.
> > For the remaining one, it is a known issue on the private@dubbo list.
> > The PPMC member has subscribed to private with apache mail address, I
> > am not sure why it is shown as not subscribed. I will continue to
> > investigate it.
>
> As a mentor, you should be able to check the subscriber list, see:
>
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper
> - list current subscribers

I am not a mentor, I am a moderator of the list.
Thanks for the information, I can confirm the subscription was unsuccessful.
The PPMC has already subscribed, I can see it on the list current subscribers.
I may need some time for the whimsy page to sync.
>
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 23:19, sebb  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 08:48, Kenneth Knowles  wrote:
> >
> > *From: *Justin Mclean 
> > *Date: *Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:36 AM
> > *To: * 
> >
> > No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors, PPMC
> > > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> > >
> >
> > Ah, my analysis does not include ASF members who are neither PPMC nor
> > mentors.
>
> Such subscribers will be shown by Whimsy if the user has sufficient karma.
>
> It's difficult to extrapolate from the numbers.
> This is because Whimsy does not check if a person is subscribed twice
> (this is not unknown).
> Also there may be a variable number of archivers.

Follow-up: known archivers are now excluded from the subscriber counts.

> > Kenn
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The subscriptions are moderated by them PPMC so it is possible to
> > > accidentally add someone who isn’t a mentor/PPMC member.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Again: not typical ... it's been too long for me to remember which list we 
> did this on :)

This would be unusual, and I’ve never seen it. I would very much doubt that any 
podlings have this situation, but If anyone knows of any podlings that do 
please speak up.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 10:38, Greg Stein  wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 3:43 AM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 09:00, Greg Stein  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 2:33 AM sebb  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:59, Greg Stein  wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:36 AM Justin Mclean <
> > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >...
> > > > >
> > > > > > No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors,
> > > > PPMC
> > > > > > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> > > > >
> > > > > Strictly speaking, a (P)PMC may have invited guests subscribed to
> > their
> > > > > private@ list. This is quite unusual, but has some precedent. As you
> > > > note:
> > > > > all subscriptions to private@ should be reviewed/moderated.
> > > >
> > > > Do such invites need to be recorded somehow?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't see why they should. A community invites a person to their
> > private@
> > > list.
> >
> > But how does the community decide to invite the person?
> > I would expect such decisions to be recorded on a mailing list.
> >
>
> I've seen the discussion on a private@ list, and then the invite went out.
> So, sure: it's on a list.
>
> Again: not typical ... it's been too long for me to remember which list we
> did this on :)
>
> Might be possible to find subscribers to private@FOO that have no obvious
> connection to the FOO PMC.

As noted above, Whimsy shows unexpected list subscribers to people
with suitable karma.

For example:
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/bloodhound#crosscheck

[The section does not appear if there are no such entries or you don't
have karma]

> > That person subscribes, the moderator allows. Done. It isn't really a
> > > significant action.
> >
> > IMO allowing access to a private list is a significant act.
> >
>
> Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe ... situational. I don't find it too significant,
> but also understand that's just me.
>
> Cheers,
> -g

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Greg Stein]

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 3:43 AM sebb  wrote:

> On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 09:00, Greg Stein  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 2:33 AM sebb  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:59, Greg Stein  wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:36 AM Justin Mclean <
> jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >...
> > > >
> > > > > No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors,
> > > PPMC
> > > > > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> > > >
> > > > Strictly speaking, a (P)PMC may have invited guests subscribed to
> their
> > > > private@ list. This is quite unusual, but has some precedent. As you
> > > note:
> > > > all subscriptions to private@ should be reviewed/moderated.
> > >
> > > Do such invites need to be recorded somehow?
> > >
> >
> > I don't see why they should. A community invites a person to their
> private@
> > list.
>
> But how does the community decide to invite the person?
> I would expect such decisions to be recorded on a mailing list.
>

I've seen the discussion on a private@ list, and then the invite went out.
So, sure: it's on a list.

Again: not typical ... it's been too long for me to remember which list we
did this on :)

Might be possible to find subscribers to private@FOO that have no obvious
connection to the FOO PMC.

> That person subscribes, the moderator allows. Done. It isn't really a
> > significant action.
>
> IMO allowing access to a private list is a significant act.
>

Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe ... situational. I don't find it too significant,
but also understand that's just me.

Cheers,
-g

Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 09:00, Greg Stein  wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 2:33 AM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:59, Greg Stein  wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:36 AM Justin Mclean 
> > > wrote:
> > > >...
> > >
> > > > No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors,
> > PPMC
> > > > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> > >
> > > Strictly speaking, a (P)PMC may have invited guests subscribed to their
> > > private@ list. This is quite unusual, but has some precedent. As you
> > note:
> > > all subscriptions to private@ should be reviewed/moderated.
> >
> > Do such invites need to be recorded somehow?
> >
>
> I don't see why they should. A community invites a person to their private@
> list.

But how does the community decide to invite the person?
I would expect such decisions to be recorded on a mailing list.

> That person subscribes, the moderator allows. Done. It isn't really a
> significant action.

IMO allowing access to a private list is a significant act.

> Communities do not keep minutes/records like the Foundation's Board does,
> nor should they.
>
> Cheers,
> -g

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Greg Stein]

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 2:33 AM sebb  wrote:

> On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:59, Greg Stein  wrote:
> > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:36 AM Justin Mclean 
> > wrote:
> > >...
> >
> > > No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors,
> PPMC
> > > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> >
> > Strictly speaking, a (P)PMC may have invited guests subscribed to their
> > private@ list. This is quite unusual, but has some precedent. As you
> note:
> > all subscriptions to private@ should be reviewed/moderated.
>
> Do such invites need to be recorded somehow?
>

I don't see why they should. A community invites a person to their private@
list. That person subscribes, the moderator allows. Done. It isn't really a
significant action.

Communities do not keep minutes/records like the Foundation's Board does,
nor should they.

Cheers,
-g

Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:59, Greg Stein  wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:36 AM Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> >...
>
> > No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors, PPMC
> > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> >
>
> Strictly speaking, a (P)PMC may have invited guests subscribed to their
> private@ list. This is quite unusual, but has some precedent. As you note:
> all subscriptions to private@ should be reviewed/moderated.

Do such invites need to be recorded somehow?

> Cheers,
> -g

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Greg Stein]

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:36 AM Justin Mclean 
wrote:
>...

> No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors, PPMC
> members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
>

Strictly speaking, a (P)PMC may have invited guests subscribed to their
private@ list. This is quite unusual, but has some precedent. As you note:
all subscriptions to private@ should be reviewed/moderated.

Cheers,
-g

Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 08:48, Kenneth Knowles  wrote:
>
> *From: *Justin Mclean 
> *Date: *Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:36 AM
> *To: * 
>
> No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors, PPMC
> > members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
> >
>
> Ah, my analysis does not include ASF members who are neither PPMC nor
> mentors.

Such subscribers will be shown by Whimsy if the user has sufficient karma.

It's difficult to extrapolate from the numbers.
This is because Whimsy does not check if a person is subscribed twice
(this is not unknown).
Also there may be a variable number of archivers.

> Kenn
>
>
> >
> > The subscriptions are moderated by them PPMC so it is possible to
> > accidentally add someone who isn’t a mentor/PPMC member.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[sebb]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 08:05, Huxing Zhang  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]
>
> Three of the inactive PPMC have indicated to step down after the graduation.
> For the remaining one, it is a known issue on the private@dubbo list.
> The PPMC member has subscribed to private with apache mail address, I
> am not sure why it is shown as not subscribed. I will continue to
> investigate it.

As a mentor, you should be able to check the subscriber list, see:

https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper
- list current subscribers

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Kenneth Knowles]

*From: *Justin Mclean 
*Date: *Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:36 AM
*To: * 

No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors, PPMC
> members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).
>

Ah, my analysis does not include ASF members who are neither PPMC nor
mentors.

Kenn


>
> The subscriptions are moderated by them PPMC so it is possible to
> accidentally add someone who isn’t a mentor/PPMC member.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I have questions:
> - whimsy's UI does not (*) for mentors not on private@, right? if so, can
> we tell if mentors are on it?

Yes it will mark mentors with a * who are not subscribed.

> - how were people able to subscribe to private@ when they are not mentors
> or ppmc?

No one should be subscribed to the private list other than mentors, PPMC 
members and ASF members (who can subscribe to any private  list).

The subscriptions are moderated by them PPMC so it is possible to accidentally 
add someone who isn’t a mentor/PPMC member.

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[justin]

Hi,

> As I said all the mentors are subscribed, blur there's are 6 PPMC members who 
> are not subscribed and one person should shouldn’t be subscribed which the 
> PPMC was asked to remove previously.


It may be possible they have signed up with an email address that is not in 
their Apache profile to the podling private list? But the numbers seems a 
little high and how did people know they were PPMC members when they signed up 
with a unknown email address?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Kenneth Knowles]

(minus dev@tuweni and plus dev@datasketches)

Thanks for compiling this. If it was manual, that is heroic.

Writing with my datasketches mentor hat on:

 - 3 mentors
 - 7 non-mentor PPMC

So there's 10

 - whimsy indicates private@ has 8 subscribers which implies 2 not
subscribed
 - whimsy indicates 5 PPMC marked with (*) are not subscribed

Seems like there's some internal issue here. I have questions:

 - whimsy's UI does not (*) for mentors not on private@, right? if so, can
we tell if mentors are on it?
 - how were people able to subscribe to private@ when they are not mentors
or ppmc?

Kenn

*From: *Pierre Smits 
*Date: *Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:30 PM
*To: * 

Hi Justin,
>
> (cross-posting to dev@tuweni ML)
>
> It seems your information about the Tuweni project is incorrect. For its
> first report I did a diversity check on each of the project's mailing
> lists, and it proves that each of those has a healthy number of mentors
> subscribed. The more important MLs, being dev@, user@ and private@ have
> resp. 4, 5, and 6 mentors signed up. See [1]
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/fd3e232392bb21c219ced89d5b09c3c93bb9d516dea7992adec550b6@%3Cdev.tuweni.apache.org%3E
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *Apache Trafodion , Vice President*
> *Apache Directory , PMC Member*
> Apache Incubator , committer
> *Apache OFBiz , contributor (without privileges)
> since 2008*
> Apache Steve , committer
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:33 AM Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > A number of podlings mentors and PPMC members are not signed up to their
> > podling private lists.
> >
> > If you are a mentor of a project listed below can you please remind your
> > PPMC members to sign up to the private list and ensure that yourself or
> > other mentors are signed up to your podlings private list.
> >
> > Important emails get sent to the podlings private email lists and as a
> > PPMC member you really need to be signed up to it so you don’t miss
> them. I
> > know there may be reasons for this not happening, as some people only use
> > lists.apache.org and there may be people who were on an initial PPMC
> that
> > didn’t get involved or your podling may just be starting out.
> >
> > If your project is approaching graduation I’d especially suggest you try
> > and fix this.
> >
> > The number of missing signups here may indicate that there’s an issue
> e.g.
> > It may be that mentors are not active or not all PPMC members are
> actively
> > involved or it could be just an on-boarding issue of new PPMC members for
> > the podling or an initial steppe step that was skipped. Whatever it is it
> > wold be good to see more mentors and PPMC members signed up.
> > - Amaterasu - One mentor not signed up to private list and no PPMC member
> > signed up [1]
> > - Annotator  - Two mentors not signed up  and one PPMC member not signed
> > up [2]
> > - Datasketches - Five PPMC members not signed up [6]
> > - Flagon - Two mentors not signed up and three PPMC members not signed up
> > [13]
> > - Hivemall - Two mentors not signed up [15]
> > - Iceberg - One mentor not signed dup and all PPMC not signed up [17]
> > - MXNet - Thirteen PPMC members not signed up. [22]
> > - Nemo - Seven PPMC members not signed up. [24]
> > - Openwisk - Six PPMC members not signed up [26]
> > - Piont - One mentor not signed up and ten PPMC members not signed up.
> [28]
> > - Ratis - One mentor and five PPMC members not signed up. [30]
> > - Soma - Two mentors not signed up. [33]
> > - SDAP - Two mentors not signed up and eight PPMC members not signed up,
> > [34]
> > - Spot - Thirteen PPMC members not signed up. [37]
> > - Taverna - Two mentors and five PPMC members not signed up. [40]
> > - Training - Five PPMC members not signed up. [43]
> > - Tuweni - Six PPMC members not signed up. [44]
> >
> > These are less concerning, but it would be nice to see all mentors signed
> > up:
> > - BatchEE - One mentor not signed up and four PPMC members not signed up
> > [3]
> > - Crail - Three PPMC not signed up [4]
> > - Dories - One mentor not signed up and one PMC member not signed up. [8]
> > - Druid - Four PPMC members not signed up [9]
> > - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]
> > - ECharts - Four PPMC members not signed up [11]
> > - Goblin - One mentor not signed up and two PPMC members not signed up.
> > [14]
> > - Hudi - One mentor not signed up and one PPMC mentor not signed dup.
> [16]
> > - Livy - One mentor not signed up and one PPMC member not signed dup.
> [19]
> > - Omid - One mentor not signed up. [25]
> > - Superset - One mentor and one PPMc member not signed up. [38]
> > - Tamaya - One mentor and two PPMC members not signed up. [39]
> > - Tephra - One mentor and one PPMC member not signed up. [41]
> > - Shardingsphere - One mentor not signed up. [35]
> > - Singa - One mentor and one 

Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Huxing Zhang]

Hi,

> - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]

Three of the inactive PPMC have indicated to step down after the graduation.
For the remaining one, it is a known issue on the private@dubbo list.
The PPMC member has subscribed to private with apache mail address, I
am not sure why it is shown as not subscribed. I will continue to
investigate it.

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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> It seems your information about the Tuweni project is incorrect.

How exactly?

As I said all the mentors are subscribed, blur there's are 6 PPMC members who 
are not subscribed and one person should shouldn’t be subscribed which the PPMC 
was asked to remove previously.

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Podling PPMC members and mentors not signed up to private lists

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Justin,

(cross-posting to dev@tuweni ML)

It seems your information about the Tuweni project is incorrect. For its
first report I did a diversity check on each of the project's mailing
lists, and it proves that each of those has a healthy number of mentors
subscribed. The more important MLs, being dev@, user@ and private@ have
resp. 4, 5, and 6 mentors signed up. See [1]


[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/fd3e232392bb21c219ced89d5b09c3c93bb9d516dea7992adec550b6@%3Cdev.tuweni.apache.org%3E

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion , Vice President*
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since 2008*
Apache Steve , committer


On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:33 AM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A number of podlings mentors and PPMC members are not signed up to their
> podling private lists.
>
> If you are a mentor of a project listed below can you please remind your
> PPMC members to sign up to the private list and ensure that yourself or
> other mentors are signed up to your podlings private list.
>
> Important emails get sent to the podlings private email lists and as a
> PPMC member you really need to be signed up to it so you don’t miss them. I
> know there may be reasons for this not happening, as some people only use
> lists.apache.org and there may be people who were on an initial PPMC that
> didn’t get involved or your podling may just be starting out.
>
> If your project is approaching graduation I’d especially suggest you try
> and fix this.
>
> The number of missing signups here may indicate that there’s an issue e.g.
> It may be that mentors are not active or not all PPMC members are actively
> involved or it could be just an on-boarding issue of new PPMC members for
> the podling or an initial steppe step that was skipped. Whatever it is it
> wold be good to see more mentors and PPMC members signed up.
> - Amaterasu - One mentor not signed up to private list and no PPMC member
> signed up [1]
> - Annotator  - Two mentors not signed up  and one PPMC member not signed
> up [2]
> - Datasketches - Five PPMC members not signed up [6]
> - Flagon - Two mentors not signed up and three PPMC members not signed up
> [13]
> - Hivemall - Two mentors not signed up [15]
> - Iceberg - One mentor not signed dup and all PPMC not signed up [17]
> - MXNet - Thirteen PPMC members not signed up. [22]
> - Nemo - Seven PPMC members not signed up. [24]
> - Openwisk - Six PPMC members not signed up [26]
> - Piont - One mentor not signed up and ten PPMC members not signed up. [28]
> - Ratis - One mentor and five PPMC members not signed up. [30]
> - Soma - Two mentors not signed up. [33]
> - SDAP - Two mentors not signed up and eight PPMC members not signed up,
> [34]
> - Spot - Thirteen PPMC members not signed up. [37]
> - Taverna - Two mentors and five PPMC members not signed up. [40]
> - Training - Five PPMC members not signed up. [43]
> - Tuweni - Six PPMC members not signed up. [44]
>
> These are less concerning, but it would be nice to see all mentors signed
> up:
> - BatchEE - One mentor not signed up and four PPMC members not signed up
> [3]
> - Crail - Three PPMC not signed up [4]
> - Dories - One mentor not signed up and one PMC member not signed up. [8]
> - Druid - Four PPMC members not signed up [9]
> - Dubbo - Four PPMC members not signed up [10]
> - ECharts - Four PPMC members not signed up [11]
> - Goblin - One mentor not signed up and two PPMC members not signed up.
> [14]
> - Hudi - One mentor not signed up and one PPMC mentor not signed dup. [16]
> - Livy - One mentor not signed up and one PPMC member not signed dup. [19]
> - Omid - One mentor not signed up. [25]
> - Superset - One mentor and one PPMc member not signed up. [38]
> - Tamaya - One mentor and two PPMC members not signed up. [39]
> - Tephra - One mentor and one PPMC member not signed up. [41]
> - Shardingsphere - One mentor not signed up. [35]
> - Singa - One mentor and one PPMC member not signed up. [36]
> - Week - One mentor and one PPMC member not signed up. [45]
> - Zipkin - One mentor and four PPMC members not signed up. [48]
>
> And these podlings are missing a couple of PPMC members:
> - Daffodil - One PPMC member not signed up [5]
> - Dlab - One PPMC member not signed up [7]
> - Edgent - One PPMC member not signed up [12]
> - IoTDB - Four PPMC members not signed up [18]
> - Marvin-AI - Three PPMC members not signed up [20]
> - Milagro - Two PPMC members not signed dup. [21]
> - Myriad - Two PPMC members not signed up [23]
> - PageSpeed - Two PPMC members not signed up. [27]
> - PonyMail - Three PPMC members not signed up. [29]
> - Rya -Three PPMC members not signed up. [31]
> - S2Graph - One PPMC member not signed up [32]
> - Toree - Two PPMC members not signed up.[42]
> - Tvm - One PPMC member not signed up.