Re: JSPWiki - A Shepherd's View

[Craig L Russell]

AOK now. Thanks,

Craig

On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Craig L Russell
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CraigRussell is my user id.


I added that ID to ContributorsGroup and you should now be able to  
edit the

report page.

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Re: JSPWiki - A Shepherd's View

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Craig L Russell
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> CraigRussell is my user id.

I added that ID to ContributorsGroup and you should now be able to edit the
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Re: JSPWiki - A Shepherd's View

[Craig L Russell]

Hi Marvin,

CraigRussell is my user id.

Craig

On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Craig L Russell
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I've reviewed the report and hereby sign off on the report.

The wiki page is marked as immutable. Is it just me?


What's the username you use to log into ?


I suspect we need to add you to the ContributorsGroup, because I
don't see anything resembling your name in either there or  
Administrators.

See the boxed explanation at the top of the main wiki page.

Marvin Humphrey


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Re: JSPWiki - A Shepherd's View

[Marvin Humphrey]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Craig L Russell
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> I've reviewed the report and hereby sign off on the report.
>
> The wiki page is marked as immutable. Is it just me?

What's the username you use to log into ?

I suspect we need to add you to the ContributorsGroup, because I
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Re: JSPWiki - A Shepherd's View

[Craig L Russell]

Hi,

I've reviewed the report and hereby sign off on the report.

The wiki page is marked as immutable. Is it just me?

Craig

On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:


Hi!

the project appears to be in a reasonable shape. The only
oddity is that none of the mentors have signed off on the
January 2013 report. I'll try to ping them off-list.

Thanks,
Roman.


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Re: Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)

[Marvin Humphrey]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Benson Margulies  wrote:

> If you are already an IPMC member, just get to work. Add yourself to
> the project's metadata.
>
> If not, and you are a foundation member, Jukka just needs to send you
> off to the board for an ACK and then give you karma.
>
> If not, we need a vote.

For the record, Siegfried is on the IPMC:

  http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#sgoeschl

(The clear explanation is a boon to the list regardless, so thanks Benson.)

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Re: Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)

[Benson Margulies]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Siegfried Goeschl  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I actually wanted to go emeritus but I'm a f** idiot and therefore would
> like to help here and volunteer as JSPWiki Mentor ... :-)
>
> I'm a bit familiar with JSPWiki since a maintain a "JSPWiki On A Stick"
> distribution and we use JSPWiki in my company on a daily base. So I have a
> personal interest to see the project leaving the incubator.
>
> What formal steps are required?

If you are already an IPMC member, just get to work. Add yourself to
the project's metadata.

If not, and you are a foundation member, Jukka just needs to send you
off to the board for an ACK and then give you karma.

If not, we need a vote.



>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Siegfried Goeschl
>
> PS: Please note that over the weekend I'm retiring from most of my other
> Apache projects roles officially so don't get confused
>
> On 13.10.12 17:34, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jukka,
>>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting
  wrote:
>
> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.


 Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
 felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
 perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:

 JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
 Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
 create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
 leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
 much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
 the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
 no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
 with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
 these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
 help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
 a few quarters.

 JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could
>>> it use some more mentors.
>>
>>
>> Correction: It could use some more mentors.
>>>
>>>
>>> The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
>>> all know that the first time is the hardest.
>>>
>>> The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
>>> release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.
>>>
>>> If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
>>> within a few months after release.
>>>
>>> Craig


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Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)

[Siegfried Goeschl]

Hi folks,

I actually wanted to go emeritus but I'm a f** idiot and therefore 
would like to help here and volunteer as JSPWiki Mentor ... :-)


I'm a bit familiar with JSPWiki since a maintain a "JSPWiki On A Stick" 
distribution and we use JSPWiki in my company on a daily base. So I have 
a personal interest to see the project leaving the incubator.


What formal steps are required?

Thanks in advance

Siegfried Goeschl

PS: Please note that over the weekend I'm retiring from most of my other 
Apache projects roles officially so don't get confused


On 13.10.12 17:34, Craig L Russell wrote:


On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:


Hi Jukka,

On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:


Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting
 wrote:

JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.


Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:

JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
a few quarters.

JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?


Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could
it use some more mentors.


Correction: It could use some more mentors.


The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
all know that the first time is the hardest.

The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.

If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
within a few months after release.

Craig


BR,

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Re: jspwiki

[Florian Holeczek]

Hi Jukka,

basically yes. Maybe important to explain that the slowdown of activity was due 
to big changes in the codebase (3.0 branch), which had been planned and started 
mainly by two committers who then hadn't that much time anymore to finish them 
(That's life!). It took some time to realize this, but finally we decided to 
adapt our plans to the new situation, which means continuing with the 2.x 
codebase and concentrate on graduating asap.

Best regards
 Florian


Am 13.10.2012 16:49, schrieb Jukka Zitting:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting  wrote:
>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
> 
> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
> 
>   JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
>   Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
>   create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
>   leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
>   much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
>   the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
>   no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
>   with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
>   these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
>   help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
>   a few quarters.
> 
> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
> 
> BR,
> 
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)

[Craig L Russell]

On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:


Hi Jukka,

On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:


Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting > wrote:

JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.


Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest  
podling, I

felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:

JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
a few quarters.

JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?


Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but  
could it use some more mentors.


Correction: It could use some more mentors.


The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we  
all know that the first time is the hardest.


The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*  
release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.


If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate  
within a few months after release.


Craig


BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)

[Craig L Russell]

Hi Jukka,

On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:


Hi,

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting  
 wrote:

JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.


Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:

 JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
 Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
 create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
 leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
 much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
 the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
 no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
 with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
 these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
 help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
 a few quarters.

JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?


Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could  
it use some more mentors.


The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we  
all know that the first time is the hardest.


The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*  
release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.


If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate  
within a few months after release.


Craig


BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: jspwiki

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Benson Margulies  wrote:
> We seem to have a problem here. I've pinged two of the mentors here
> chosen by people in my gmail 'to' cache; could we get some input?

JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time. Earlier this year
(prompted by concerns raised by Sam) they discussed leaving the ASF as
one option due to lack of progress [1]. That proposal didn't reach
consensus, so a bit later a premature graduation attempt was made [2].
Meanwhile the project activity has remained pretty low compared to
what it was when the project entered incubation five(!) years ago.

There is still some energy in JSPWiki and I salute the efforts of Juan
Pablo and others who are keeping the project alive, but unfortunately
we aren't providing enough mentoring and other help to push the
community through incubation. Looking at jspwiki-dev@ I see only six
mentor posts since the beginning of this year.

I think JSPWiki still has the makings of a good Apache project, but
they clearly need more help. Any volunteers?

[1] http://markmail.org/message/etgsawr7mtjggppt
[2] http://markmail.org/message/bnkpzwdltlihce3k

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Re: jspwiki

[Benson Margulies]

>
>> What I want to know about this is whether incubator.apache.org/clutch
>> is lying to me when it claims that this project has released before.
>
> I do see that you indicated elsewhere in this thread that
> you did misinterpret that aspect of the table. Is there
> something that we can do to make it more clear?

I hesitate to blame my confusion on the design of the table. I can
reconstruct how I went astray, but I don't think it's edifying.

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Re: jspwiki

[David Crossley]

Benson Margulies wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> > Benson Margulies wrote:
> >>
> >> So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just
> >> signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state in the clutch.
> >
> > That's pretty worrying. A vote for a release is a verification that it is a
> > legally defensible release. No-one should get voting without doing a full
> > review.
> 
> Ross, please clarify your view. If you think that every voter on every
> release at Apache is checking every single file for a correct header,
> then I think that there's a significant gap between theory and
> practice. If you are focussed in incubator issues, read on.
> 
> In fact, it *is* a legally defensible release, unless the clutch is
> lying about IP clearance. Some missing or malformed headers do not
> make it legally defective, just not up to our usual standards. I did
> check the critical characteristics that make up a legally defensible
> release.

Clutch deliberately does not mention anything about "IP clearance".
People need to look for that detail elsewhere.

Also it deliberately does not have a column for whether their
RAT report has issues. Those reports need to be reviewed in detail.

> What I want to know about this is whether incubator.apache.org/clutch
> is lying to me when it claims that this project has released before.

I do see that you indicated elsewhere in this thread that
you did misinterpret that aspect of the table. Is there
something that we can do to make it more clear?

> I also think that we might have an incubator-specific issue here. When
> I participate in the PMC of running project, I depend on the PMC to
> verify headers and such either (a) at checkin, or (b) with rat. I do
> not think it's a great idea to leave that for release voting. However,
> I shouldn't be depending on podling members to know enough to do this,
> and apparently I can't depend on mentors. So perhaps the IPMC needs to
> take a more mandatory view of RAT.

> >> We seem to have a problem here. I've pinged two of the mentors here
> >> chosen by people in my gmail 'to' cache; could we get some input?

Henning did say here ages ago that he had stopped
being a Mentor, but people from the relevant podlings
still need to modify their lists of mentors.

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Re: jspwiki

[Benson Margulies]

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Luciano Resende  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Ross Gardler  
> wrote:
>> Sent from my tablet
>> On Oct 7, 2012 10:08 PM, "Benson Margulies"  wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just
>>> signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state in the clutch.
>>
>> That's pretty worrying. A vote for a release is a verification that it is a
>> legally defensible release. No-one should get voting without doing a full
>> review.
>>
>> Ross
>
> +1, particularly podling releases, where we might have not performed
> an IP check before and RMs might not be completely familiar with "The
> Apache Way".

I owe everyone an apology here. I misread the columns on the clutch.
If I had seen that this was the first release ever for this podling, I
would either have looked more closely or I would have declined to vote
at all.


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Re: jspwiki

[Benson Margulies]

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Ross Gardler  wrote:
> Sent from my tablet
> On Oct 7, 2012 10:08 PM, "Benson Margulies"  wrote:
>>
>> So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just
>> signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state in the clutch.
>
> That's pretty worrying. A vote for a release is a verification that it is a
> legally defensible release. No-one should get voting without doing a full
> review.

Ross, please clarify your view. If you think that every voter on every
release at Apache is checking every single file for a correct header,
then I think that there's a significant gap between theory and
practice. If you are focussed in incubator issues, read on.

In fact, it *is* a legally defensible release, unless the clutch is
lying about IP clearance. Some missing or malformed headers do not
make it legally defective, just not up to our usual standards. I did
check the critical characteristics that make up a legally defensible
release.

What I want to know about this is whether incubator.apache.org/clutch
is lying to me when it claims that this project has released before.

I also think that we might have an incubator-specific issue here. When
I participate in the PMC of running project, I depend on the PMC to
verify headers and such either (a) at checkin, or (b) with rat. I do
not think it's a great idea to leave that for release voting. However,
I shouldn't be depending on podling members to know enough to do this,
and apparently I can't depend on mentors. So perhaps the IPMC needs to
take a more mandatory view of RAT.



>
> Ross
>
>>
>> We seem to have a problem here. I've pinged two of the mentors here
>> chosen by people in my gmail 'to' cache; could we get some input?
>>
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Re: jspwiki

[Luciano Resende]

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Ross Gardler  wrote:
> Sent from my tablet
> On Oct 7, 2012 10:08 PM, "Benson Margulies"  wrote:
>>
>> So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just
>> signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state in the clutch.
>
> That's pretty worrying. A vote for a release is a verification that it is a
> legally defensible release. No-one should get voting without doing a full
> review.
>
> Ross

+1, particularly podling releases, where we might have not performed
an IP check before and RMs might not be completely familiar with "The
Apache Way".

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Re: jspwiki

[Ross Gardler]

Sent from my tablet
On Oct 7, 2012 10:08 PM, "Benson Margulies"  wrote:
>
> So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just
> signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state in the clutch.

That's pretty worrying. A vote for a release is a verification that it is a
legally defensible release. No-one should get voting without doing a full
review.

Ross

>
> We seem to have a problem here. I've pinged two of the mentors here
> chosen by people in my gmail 'to' cache; could we get some input?
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
 wrote:
> almost there, the only remaining issue blocking the release is JSPWIKI-744,
> which is almost complete, should be finished this week (most probably
> tomorrow or Tuesday). So, the vote should be casted real soon.

Great news, thanks for the update!

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

Hello Jukka,

almost there, the only remaining issue blocking the release is JSPWIKI-744,
which is almost complete, should be finished this week (most probably
tomorrow or Tuesday). So, the vote should be casted real soon.


br,
juan pablo

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi JSPWiki,
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Jukka Zitting 
> wrote:
> > Again, like in April, I'd note that the most pressing blocker is
> > getting an Apache release out.
>
> Any progress on this front?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi JSPWiki,

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Jukka Zitting  wrote:
> Again, like in April, I'd note that the most pressing blocker is
> getting an Apache release out.

Any progress on this front?

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

Hi Dave,

thanks for the tip :-) Actually we're downloading a few LGPL jars via
maven-ant-tasks,
but this approach seems simpler for our libs, as we won't have to deal with
transitive
dependencies.


br,
juan pablo

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:38 AM, sebb wrote:
>
> > On 11 July 2012 22:26, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
> >  wrote:
> >> Oh, my misunderstanding then. If that's the case, then there is one
> >> technicality of the apache release process blocking the release
> >> (distributing dependencies alongside source), although not a tough one.
> >> I'll file a Jira and reflect it at the project incubation status page.
> >>
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> juan pablo
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Jukka Zitting  >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
> >>>  wrote:
>  Regarding the binary dependencies. Wasn't the discussion on
> general@more
>  focused on (or raised because of) transitive dependencies which were
>  brought into the build and not being AL-compatible?
> >>>
> >>> No, all the dependencies discussed were compliant with Apache
> >>> policies. The problem was about having binaries included in the source
> >>> archive.
> >>>
>  Also, the build is Ant based, so we need them to be there in order to
> be
>  able to build.
> >
> > Not so; Apache JMeter and Tomcat both use Ant and have external
> > dependencies which are not held in SVN.
> >
> >>>
> >>> The proposed solution for this case was to put the dependencies in a
> >>> separate -deps archive, that can be combined with the source release
> >>> to make it buildable. The build script can also automatically download
> >>> such separate binary dependencies.
> >
> > That's what JMeter and Tomcat do: there's a separate Ant task to do
> > the downloads.
> > But you could also use Ant+Ivy.
>
> Apache POI uses ant as well. Here are selected parts of the build.xml:
>
> 
> http://repo1.maven.org"/>
> 
>
> 
>  location="${main.lib}/commons-logging-1.1.jar"/>
> 
> value="${repository.m2}/maven2/commons-logging/commons-logging/1.1/commons-logging-1.1.jar"/>
>  location="${main.lib}/commons-codec-1.5.jar"/>
> 
> value="${repository.m2}/maven2/commons-codec/commons-codec/1.5/commons-codec-1.5.jar"/>
>  location="${main.lib}/log4j-1.2.13.jar"/>
>  value="${repository.m2}/maven2/log4j/log4j/1.2.13/log4j-1.2.13.jar"/>
>  location="${main.lib}/junit-3.8.1.jar"/>
>  value="${repository.m2}/maven2/junit/junit/3.8.1/junit-3.8.1.jar"/>
> 
>  value="${repository.m2}/maven2/org/apache/ant/ant/1.8.2/ant-1.8.2.jar"/>
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  description="Fetches needed JAR files from the Internet">
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> HTH,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> >>>
> >>> BR,
> >>>
> >>> Jukka Zitting
> >>>
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Dave Fisher]

On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:38 AM, sebb wrote:

> On 11 July 2012 22:26, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
>  wrote:
>> Oh, my misunderstanding then. If that's the case, then there is one
>> technicality of the apache release process blocking the release
>> (distributing dependencies alongside source), although not a tough one.
>> I'll file a Jira and reflect it at the project incubation status page.
>> 
>> 
>> regards,
>> juan pablo
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Jukka Zitting 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
>>>  wrote:
 Regarding the binary dependencies. Wasn't the discussion on general@more
 focused on (or raised because of) transitive dependencies which were
 brought into the build and not being AL-compatible?
>>> 
>>> No, all the dependencies discussed were compliant with Apache
>>> policies. The problem was about having binaries included in the source
>>> archive.
>>> 
 Also, the build is Ant based, so we need them to be there in order to be
 able to build.
> 
> Not so; Apache JMeter and Tomcat both use Ant and have external
> dependencies which are not held in SVN.
> 
>>> 
>>> The proposed solution for this case was to put the dependencies in a
>>> separate -deps archive, that can be combined with the source release
>>> to make it buildable. The build script can also automatically download
>>> such separate binary dependencies.
> 
> That's what JMeter and Tomcat do: there's a separate Ant task to do
> the downloads.
> But you could also use Ant+Ivy.

Apache POI uses ant as well. Here are selected parts of the build.xml:


http://repo1.maven.org"/>





















































HTH,
Dave


> 
>>> 
>>> BR,
>>> 
>>> Jukka Zitting
>>> 
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[sebb]

On 11 July 2012 22:26, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
 wrote:
> Oh, my misunderstanding then. If that's the case, then there is one
> technicality of the apache release process blocking the release
> (distributing dependencies alongside source), although not a tough one.
> I'll file a Jira and reflect it at the project incubation status page.
>
>
> regards,
> juan pablo
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
>>  wrote:
>> > Regarding the binary dependencies. Wasn't the discussion on general@more
>> > focused on (or raised because of) transitive dependencies which were
>> > brought into the build and not being AL-compatible?
>>
>> No, all the dependencies discussed were compliant with Apache
>> policies. The problem was about having binaries included in the source
>> archive.
>>
>> > Also, the build is Ant based, so we need them to be there in order to be
>> > able to build.

Not so; Apache JMeter and Tomcat both use Ant and have external
dependencies which are not held in SVN.

>>
>> The proposed solution for this case was to put the dependencies in a
>> separate -deps archive, that can be combined with the source release
>> to make it buildable. The build script can also automatically download
>> such separate binary dependencies.

That's what JMeter and Tomcat do: there's a separate Ant task to do
the downloads.
But you could also use Ant+Ivy.

>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting
>>
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

Oh, my misunderstanding then. If that's the case, then there is one
technicality of the apache release process blocking the release
(distributing dependencies alongside source), although not a tough one.
I'll file a Jira and reflect it at the project incubation status page.


regards,
juan pablo

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
>  wrote:
> > Regarding the binary dependencies. Wasn't the discussion on general@more
> > focused on (or raised because of) transitive dependencies which were
> > brought into the build and not being AL-compatible?
>
> No, all the dependencies discussed were compliant with Apache
> policies. The problem was about having binaries included in the source
> archive.
>
> > Also, the build is Ant based, so we need them to be there in order to be
> > able to build.
>
> The proposed solution for this case was to put the dependencies in a
> separate -deps archive, that can be combined with the source release
> to make it buildable. The build script can also automatically download
> such separate binary dependencies.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
 wrote:
> Regarding the binary dependencies. Wasn't the discussion on general@ more
> focused on (or raised because of) transitive dependencies which were
> brought into the build and not being AL-compatible?

No, all the dependencies discussed were compliant with Apache
policies. The problem was about having binaries included in the source
archive.

> Also, the build is Ant based, so we need them to be there in order to be
> able to build.

The proposed solution for this case was to put the dependencies in a
separate -deps archive, that can be combined with the source release
to make it buildable. The build script can also automatically download
such separate binary dependencies.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "July2012" by JuanPabloSantos)

[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

Hi Jukka,

answers inline:

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Apache Wiki  wrote:
> > + Still following the objetive of making the first Apache release:
> > +
> > + 4 JIRA issues were fixed since last period, the project website has
> been revamped,
> > +  and few other niceties & fixes have got into trunk (for example
> lucene library was
> > +  upgraded to 3.6.0).
> > +
> > + 2 Release candidates have been made, but they didn't succeed because of
> > + technical issues. Hopefully the third RC will become the first ASF
> release.
>
> If I understand correctly, these issues were about functionality in
> the JSPWiki software itself, not about the technicalities of the
> Apache release process.
>
>
exactly.


> Do you have any active mentors available to help out in preparing the
> release? If not, please post a recent RC also to general@ for review
> by the rest of the IPMC. A quick look at one of the RCs brought up a
> few issues, most notably the presence of binary dependencies in the
> source release archive - a practice that's considered contrary to
> Apache principles based on recent discussion on general@.
>

If I recall correctly, I think that we have two active mentors, Craig L
Russell and sam Ruby.
We had 2 more mentors, but they stepped down due to lack of time.

Regarding the binary dependencies. Wasn't the discussion on general@ more
focused on (or raised because of) transitive dependencies which were
brought
into the build and not being AL-compatible?

In our case they're all AL compatible [#1], so that should be fine. We try
to look very
carefully to this issue. For instance, recently we added cobertura+sonar
support, which
weren't AL compatible so we had some discussion [#2] about the suitability
of including
them, given the fact that they were not going to be used to build the main
war. We
decided to not include them b/c they weren't AL compatible.

Also, the build is Ant based, so we need them to be there in order to be
able to build.


[#1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-545

[#2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201206.mbox/%3CCAMufup6kANwDJT5aVXo4m4D4Uwnj3Srabm=4nvrms_fwbwf...@mail.gmail.com%3E


>
> > + The main issues blocking graduation keep being the same as in the last
> report:
> > + resolution acceptance, community and IPMC graduation vote.
>
> Again, like in April, I'd note that the most pressing blocker is
> getting an Apache release out.
>
> Beyond that it looks like community activity in JSPWiki is at a bit
> higher level than it used to be for the most part of the past two
> years, which is good.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: JSPWiki, Olio and VXQuery missing

[Shanti Subramanyam (gmail)]

Olio is there now.

Shanti

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Re: JSPWiki, Olio and VXQuery missing

[Till Westmann]

VXQuery is there now.

Sorry for the delay,
Till

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