Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Forwarding Stephen's comments to the mailing list. Thanks Sharan Forwarded Message Subject:Re: graphviz as a potential apache project Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:56:09 -0400 From: Stephen North To: sha...@apache.org Thank you. I’ll check on the subscription. Some brief comments: 1) Yes, we might have felt a little too much like a special snowflake. 2) Formally, AT owns most of the code, which was developed before they decided they didn’t want me to work there any more around the end of 2013. I still have a few colleagues there that can help a little with intellectual property issues but the corporate apathy can seem overwhelming at times. I don’t know if they would be open to changing the license. Also, we did not make use of a contributor license, though the external contributions were not that significant except for Tim Dwyer’s layout algorithm work and I’m still in touch with Tim quite often. 3) I have to admit it is not a very vibrant developer community any more. Emden Gansner, John Ellson and I were the main gatekeepers/committers to the source repository. I’m still in touch with John and Emden but they are either retired or very close to it and due to personal reasons they are sympathetic toward work on the code but are not in a position to do a lot on their own these days. Stephen North On Jun 4, 2018, at 8:44 AM, sha...@apache.org wrote: Hi Stephen I'm not sure if you have been copied on all the responses and comments to your email so am including a link to the complete mailing list thread so far: https://s.apache.org/KDoq Also please feel free to respond or add your comments to anything mentioned. Thanks Sharan On 2.6.2018 20:52, sha...@apache.org wrote: Hi Stephen Thanks for your email. I will follow up and find you who can respond to this query for you. Thanks Sharan On 31.5.2018 23:51, Stephen North wrote: Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an invitation to an Apache roadshow event under your name.) I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful infrastructure software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, software engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, transpiled into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe Go use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org We started this in AT Labs but AT discontinued all support for the work, eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the project, so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved to gitlab. We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we could put focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that need network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to start the conversation. Thank you for your time, and for your consideration. Stephen North
Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Le 04/06/2018 à 16:29, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit : On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: ...Anyway a big +1 to invite Graphviz in the incubator. I may even help if necessary Note that Stephen North who started this conversation with Sharan hasn't been CCed in all messages so might have missed part of the conversation. Stephen, for what it's worth the full conversation is here: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ad32238950411dd5d29297286a136dd58319bf9d8023cff1ff860f88@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E And subscription instructions for this list are at http://incubator.apache.org/ -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Thanks Bertrand Jacques - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > ...Anyway a big +1 to invite Graphviz in the incubator. I may even help if > necessary Note that Stephen North who started this conversation with Sharan hasn't been CCed in all messages so might have missed part of the conversation. Stephen, for what it's worth the full conversation is here: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ad32238950411dd5d29297286a136dd58319bf9d8023cff1ff860f88@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E And subscription instructions for this list are at http://incubator.apache.org/ -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 13:44:42 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: > It is certainly intriguing. I’ve done work in the past on PICT, PS, and PDF > generation. > I can see great utility here with all of the DAG based workflows that are all > the rage right now. > Sign me up to Mentor if the project comes to the Incubator. I would also be willing to be a Mentor for graphviz. We've used Graphviz in Taverna since 2005 or so (and still do), and it's a great product in many ways that I am very grateful for. I see from their GitLab what seems like quite stable maintenance activity across many contributors. https://gitlab.com/graphviz/graphviz/ (Note: the code license is actually EPL1, not CDL) The biggest challenge will indeed be the license/IP clearance - do they have contact with AT that can help get a software grant? Then probably they would need approval from all contributors since to do relicensing to Apache License 2.0. This could be quite a task. Some of the optional dependencies under https://graphviz.gitlab.io/_pages/Download/Download_source.html are as far as I understand LGPL or GPL - but this seems odd given that EPL (except EPL2 with secondary license) is incompatible with GPL. Only a problem for those distributing such binaries though. -- Stian Soiland-Reyes https://orcid.org/-0001-9842-9718 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
On 06/03/2018 03:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to > call it Apache Graphviz :-) Ditto! -- #kenB-|} Ken, Baron Coar RHCA, RHCVA, Sanagendamgagwedweinini Red Hat IT Infrastructure - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Thanks Sharan, I don't know much about Graphviz but I remember we spoke about using Graphviz with Ron in the OFBiz project. He mentioned: "If we go with AsciiDoc, *GraphViz* is built-in and will become more familiar to everyone."[1] Since we use AsciiDoc for our documentation now having **Graphviz in Apache will certainly be helpful, and not only for OFBiz. Anyway a big +1 to invite Graphviz in the incubator. I may even help if necessary. Jacques [1] https://markmail.org/message/mp7u7iq3ro7pfl2a Le 03/06/2018 à 17:29, sha...@apache.org a écrit : Hi All I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. Thanks Sharan Forwarded Message Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400 From: Stephen North Reply-To: Stephen North To: sha...@apache.org Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an invitation to an Apache roadshow event under your name.) I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful infrastructure software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, software engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, transpiled into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe Go use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org We started this in AT Labs but AT discontinued all support for the work, eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the project, so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved to gitlab. We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we could put focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that need network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to start the conversation. Thank you for your time, and for your consideration. Stephen North
Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Apache NetBeans is a pretty big and mature project too and it's still undergoing incubation. The advantage for NetBeans is that Sun Microsystems / Oracle owns all the IP and just donated it to Apache. It might be a bit more complicated for Graphviz. That being said, I'm totally +1 on Graphviz, it's such a handy little project I've used from time to time. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 3 June 2018 6:29 PM, wrote: > Hi All > > I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general > > incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. > > Thanks > > Sharan > > Forwarded Message > > Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project > > Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400 > > From: Stephen North scno...@gmail.com > > Reply-To: Stephen North scno...@gmail.com > > To: sha...@apache.org > > Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an > invitation > > to an Apache roadshow event under your name.) > > I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful > infrastructure > > software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, > software > > engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, > transpiled > > into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe > Go > > use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org > > We started this in AT Labs but AT discontinued all support for the work, > > eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the > project, > > so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved > to gitlab. > > We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache > seems like > > a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not > sure a mature > > project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? > > Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we > could put > > focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that > need > > network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to > start the conversation. > > Thank you for your time, and for your consideration. > > Stephen North - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
It is certainly intriguing. I’ve done work in the past on PICT, PS, and PDF generation. I can see great utility here with all of the DAG based workflows that are all the rage right now. Sign me up to Mentor if the project comes to the Incubator. Regards, Dave > On Jun 3, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to > call it Apache Graphviz :-) > > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:21 PM Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > >> License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the >> ASF umbrella! >> >> -- >> Kevin A. McGrail >> VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation >> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 >> >> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew wrote: > On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sha...@apache.org wrote: > > Hi All > > I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general >>> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. I don't know enough about the project to comment on that. Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its >>> community approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF >>> individual is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. >>> Though I expect Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine. > We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. >>> Apache seems like > a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? >>> I’m not sure a mature > project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? Many mature projects go through the Incubator. What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably >>> the single most important criterion for you is to have your own community >>> firmly on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have >>> that, you find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a >>> proposal. Romain wrote: > Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch. That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long >>> history under another license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would >>> have to agree to the re-licensing. >>> >>> The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B. >>> [2] It will take some work to relicense. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/ >>> [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html >>> >>> -- Nick Kew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to call it Apache Graphviz :-) On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:21 PM Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the > ASF umbrella! > > -- > Kevin A. McGrail > VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation > Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project > https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 > > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew wrote: > > > > > > > > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sha...@apache.org wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi All > > >> > > >> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general > > incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. > > > > > > I don't know enough about the project to comment on that. > > > > > > Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its > > community > > > approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF > > individual > > > is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. > > Though I expect > > > Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine. > > > > > >> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. > > Apache seems like > > >> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? > > I’m not sure a mature > > >> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? > > > > > > Many mature projects go through the Incubator. > > > > > > What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably > > the > > > single most important criterion for you is to have your own community > > firmly > > > on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have > > that, you > > > find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a > > proposal. > > > > > > Romain wrote: > > >> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch. > > > > > > That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long > > history under another > > > license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would > > have to agree > > > to the re-licensing. > > > > The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B. > > [2] It will take some work to relicense. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/ > > [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Nick Kew > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > >
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the ASF umbrella! -- Kevin A. McGrail VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew wrote: > > > > > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sha...@apache.org wrote: > >> > >> Hi All > >> > >> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general > incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. > > > > I don't know enough about the project to comment on that. > > > > Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its > community > > approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF > individual > > is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. > Though I expect > > Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine. > > > >> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. > Apache seems like > >> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? > I’m not sure a mature > >> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? > > > > Many mature projects go through the Incubator. > > > > What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably > the > > single most important criterion for you is to have your own community > firmly > > on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have > that, you > > find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a > proposal. > > > > Romain wrote: > >> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch. > > > > That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long > history under another > > license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would > have to agree > > to the re-licensing. > > The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B. > [2] It will take some work to relicense. > > Regards, > Dave > > [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/ > [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html > > > > > > -- > > Nick Kew > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew wrote: > > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sha...@apache.org wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general >> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. > > I don't know enough about the project to comment on that. > > Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its > community > approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF individual > is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. Though I > expect > Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine. > >> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache >> seems like >> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not >> sure a mature >> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? > > Many mature projects go through the Incubator. > > What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably the > single most important criterion for you is to have your own community firmly > on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have that, you > find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a proposal. > > Romain wrote: >> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch. > > That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long history > under another > license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would have > to agree > to the re-licensing. The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B. [2] It will take some work to relicense. Regards, Dave [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/ [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html > > -- > Nick Kew > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Agree to go through the incubator as a first step and move to TLP pretty fast (if all ok). Regards JB On 03/06/2018 17:33, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > Wow, sounds very exciting to have graphviz here. > > Incubator being mainly about validating there is a community@asf I think it > makes sense to go through incubator first. Also it will let Graphviz time > to handle the license switch. That said the promotion to a TLP can be quite > fast since most of the community is already here and I don't see it being > that far from ASF requirements so I think going through incubator is a good > path. > > Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance> > > > Le dim. 3 juin 2018 à 17:29, a écrit : > >> Hi All >> >> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general >> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. >> >> Thanks >> Sharan >> >> >> Forwarded Message >> Subject:graphviz as a potential apache project >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400 >> From: Stephen North >> Reply-To: Stephen North >> To: sha...@apache.org >> >> >> >> Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just >> sent an invitation >> to an Apache roadshow event under your name.) >> >> I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful >> infrastructure >> software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine >> learning, software >> engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, >> transpiled >> into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, >> maybe Go >> use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org >> >> We started this in AT Labs but AT discontinued all support for the >> work, >> eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the >> project, >> so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we >> moved to gitlab. >> >> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache >> seems like >> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m >> not sure a mature >> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? >> >> Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how >> we could put >> focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that >> need >> network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to >> start the conversation. >> >> Thank you for your time, and for your consideration. >> >> Stephen North >> >> >> > -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sha...@apache.org wrote: > > Hi All > > I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general > incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. I don't know enough about the project to comment on that. Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its community approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF individual is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. Though I expect Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine. > We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache > seems like > a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not > sure a mature > project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? Many mature projects go through the Incubator. What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably the single most important criterion for you is to have your own community firmly on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have that, you find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a proposal. Romain wrote: > Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch. That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long history under another license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would have to agree to the re-licensing. -- Nick Kew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Wow, sounds very exciting to have graphviz here. Incubator being mainly about validating there is a community@asf I think it makes sense to go through incubator first. Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch. That said the promotion to a TLP can be quite fast since most of the community is already here and I don't see it being that far from ASF requirements so I think going through incubator is a good path. Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance> Le dim. 3 juin 2018 à 17:29, a écrit : > Hi All > > I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general > incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. > > Thanks > Sharan > > > ---- Forwarded Message > Subject:graphviz as a potential apache project > Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400 > From: Stephen North > Reply-To: Stephen North > To: sha...@apache.org > > > > Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just > sent an invitation > to an Apache roadshow event under your name.) > > I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful > infrastructure > software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine > learning, software > engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, > transpiled > into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, > maybe Go > use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org > > We started this in AT Labs but AT discontinued all support for the > work, > eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the > project, > so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we > moved to gitlab. > > We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache > seems like > a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m > not sure a mature > project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? > > Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how > we could put > focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that > need > network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to > start the conversation. > > Thank you for your time, and for your consideration. > > Stephen North > > >
Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Hi All I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options. Thanks Sharan Forwarded Message Subject:graphviz as a potential apache project Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400 From: Stephen North Reply-To: Stephen North To: sha...@apache.org Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an invitation to an Apache roadshow event under your name.) I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful infrastructure software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, software engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, transpiled into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe Go use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org We started this in AT Labs but AT discontinued all support for the work, eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the project, so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved to gitlab. We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways? Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we could put focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that need network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to start the conversation. Thank you for your time, and for your consideration. Stephen North
