Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?

2005-01-10 Thread Danny Angus
sorry I mistyped 1.2.4 for 1.4.2 !

 issue with RedHat
 Enterprise and J2sdk 1.2.4,


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[Announce] Graffito (ex JCMS) has entered Incubator

2005-01-10 Thread Raphaël Luta
On behalf of the Graffito team and the Apache Portals PMC, I'm please to 
announce
that Graffito, formerly known as JCMS, has completed its transition to the
Apache Incubator.

The main objective of Graffito is to create a portal oriented content 
management
system. It's currently build on top of Apache Slide and the team also 
plans to
support access to JCR content repositories through Jackrabbit.
Graffito user interface is managed with a set of JSR-168 portlets that 
can be
deployed in compatible portal systems such as Apache Jetspeed.

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Re: [site] Removing things

2005-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell
Still planning to do all of the below on Tuesday night except for 4), the 
removal of the Graduated section.

Hen
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote:
Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list 
of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and 
make the change.

1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at 
http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including 
additions to the products table as shown in the mock.

2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html.
3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename 
Headlines to News.

4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar.
5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index.
6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown 
in mock.

7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page.
8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations.
Hen
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Re: [site] Removing things

2005-01-10 Thread Stephen Colebourne
#8 (langauages) is a pity. Are we planning on trying to fomalize the 
relationship? To cut them off seems a bit of a disservice after a lot of 
effort, although equally inaccurate info can be damaging.

Also, I'd like to see a section on the left for dormant projects. That 
doesn't have to be done tomorrow, but it would clarify the main list.

Stephen
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Still planning to do all of the below on Tuesday night except for 4), the 
removal of the Graduated section.

Hen
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote:
Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the 
list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go 
ahead and make the change.

1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at 
http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including 
additions to the products table as shown in the mock.

2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to 
news/index.html.

3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename 
Headlines to News.

4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar.
5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index.
6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as 
shown in mock.

7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page.
8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations.
Hen
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Re: [site] Removing things

2005-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
#8 (langauages) is a pity. Are we planning on trying to fomalize the 
relationship? To cut them off seems a bit of a disservice after a lot of 
effort, although equally inaccurate info can be damaging.
Well, the only ones who've got back so far are the only translation site 
not on the page :) [jajakarta]

Also, I'd like to see a section on the left for dormant projects. That 
doesn't have to be done tomorrow, but it would clarify the main list.
Yeah, me too. It's later on my list of things to push for. I'll add it to 
the wiki.

Hen
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Re: Translations of Jakarta

2005-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Shinobu Kawai wrote:
Hi Henri,
Trademarks/branding also worry me a bit. Do we have to do anything to give
you permission to use the Feather etc (Apache have been increasingly
protecting it recently). If we stick with the current lf, it looks like
an Apache site, but with no actual affiliation to Apache, so I suspect
that someday I'll get a browbeating from the board.
When you said use the Feather, did you mean the use of the Jakarta
logo (http://jakarta.apache.org/images/jakarta-logo.gif) or the actual
feather in the image of the Ja-Jakarta logo
(http://www.jajakarta.org/images/jajakarta.png)?  Maybe both?
Yep, both pretty much. As far as I understand, trademarks and logos etc 
need to be actively defended to keep them; so while there's no obvious 
issue with you guys using it, somebody who is using it for evil purposes 
can point to your use and claim that Apache is not defending its brand 
properly. I assume the solution is for us to make sure there's permission 
for you to use the logo etc.

One more question.  Are there any restrictions to using jakarta-site2
(or a modification of it) to build sites for non-ASF projects?  If
not, I don't see any problems with having the same lf.  Or am I
missing a point?
No problem with using it I think, the only issues that need to be figured 
out properly are the branding/logos, I think. I've a fair number of 
suggestions for, at least, the English translation of your homepage to do 
with trying to avoid confusion on the navigation, I'll add some to the end 
of this email.

My current thoughts are that the best way for translation sites to 
continue are much along the lines that they currently do. Largely 
independent communities who are helping to spread the Apache/Jakarta 
brand.

We would ensure that there is a liaison to the Apache/Jakarta community 
(for example I would put your name/email down somewhere as the liaison to 
the JaJakarta group); we would get the ASF legal people to write something 
simple giving permission to 'use the feather' and the name 'jakarta' 
provided a timely response to requests; and we'd link to your site from 
ours. I need to pitch this idea to the pmc/board etc, but it seems 
reasonable.

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Suggestions for JaJakarta:
This is from the English page as I don't speak any Japanese, but a lot of 
it may carry over. First off, some suggestions of improvements to the 
text:

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Welcome to the Ja-Jakarta Project
The Ja-Jakarta project is a Japanese user group who use various 
Java products provided by the Apache Software Foundation, in particular 
its Jakarta project.

Our purpose is to:
* Translate Jakarta documentation into Japanese
* Internationalize Apache products and provide feedback them to the 
Jakarta project
* Promote Jakarta products in Japan

About Our Web Site
The content of our web site is written in Japanese. If you would 
like to see it, you should add ja (japanese) to your web browser's 
language setting (Firefox users need to install a Language Menu 
extension.).

The Japanese top page is here.
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Hoepfully that's all okay. Just a bit of improvement with regards to the 
bastard child of French and German that we all know as English.

The navbar is where I'm concerned there is going to be confusion between 
Jakarta and JaJakarta:

s/Check it out!!/News/
s/News/JaJakarta News/
s/Subprojects/Translations/
The names of the Apache projects should be more detailed nowadays. Apache 
Ant, Jakarta Cactus, Apache Struts, Jakarta Velocity etc.

Although it adds to the length, it would be nice to have changes (at least 
for the English version) for:

s/Get Involved/Get Involved in JaJakarta/
s/Project Management/JaJakarta Management/
The Jakarta News page (honke.html) hasn't had an update since last May.
The favicon.ico would probably be better if it was the pink flower and not 
pikachu (or something that looks similar at this screen size :) ).

Lastly, the book advert is a little out of character for an Apache 
project. It does list JaJakarta as one of the authors, which is pretty 
cool, but aren't there other Japanese books on Apache Java projects that 
you could list too? Even if you list JaJakarta first. Basically looking to 
make sure you can't be accused of using the Apache brand to sell the book.

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Thoughts?
Hen
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